After Hours: Warhammer Woes
Added 2018-06-04 02:58:36 +0000 UTCSpecial guest Noah from Maple Syrup Blood Money and Role Playing Exchange and I try to explain Warhammer Fantasy to Jeb. Why? Because it's the only way we can make sense of it ourselves.
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There is also 2 other origin stories for the Skaven beyond that belltower and the belltower one has 2 variants. And lets not forget about how murderous insane and backstabby they are. Honestly there is a lot of things going on in Warhammer so many that its hard to talk about because it is all over the place. Then Age of Sigmar throws it all out.
DiploRaptor(Samuel)
2019-02-07 08:01:31 +0000 UTCI can send you my copy Ross if you still are lacking it
DiploRaptor(Samuel)
2019-02-06 19:06:19 +0000 UTCAnother Moorcock influence that just popped into my head: the empire of Gran Bretan and it’s King-Emperor from 'The History of the Runestaff’ are an obvious influence on the Empire of 40k. Gran Bretan is an expansionist, fascistic empire using the barely-understood technology of a fallen civilization to conquer a post-apocalyptic Earth. The King-Emperor of Gran Bretan is a 2,000 year old despot with an atrophied body, artificially kept alive in his ‘Throne Globe’ which he can never leave. There’s a pretty good review of the Runestaff novels and their influence on early Warhammer & 40k here: <a href="http://realmofzhu.blogspot.com/2017/01/an-oldhammer-reader-history-of-runestaff.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://realmofzhu.blogspot.com/2017/01/an-oldhammer-reader-history-of-runestaff.html</a>
Bryan Rombough
2018-06-23 20:09:27 +0000 UTCneed to get a copy before i can talk about it
Ross Payton
2018-06-13 02:44:27 +0000 UTCCould be interesting. Especially if they can dig into some of the old, gonzo elements like Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau. ;)
Bryan Rombough
2018-06-12 23:18:19 +0000 UTCNo love for Blood Bowl? Which is, perversely, perhaps the friendliest variation for the Warhammer setting.
Bryan Hall-Wood
2018-06-12 23:03:57 +0000 UTCYeah, though he hasn't become completly obscure, it's curious how Moorcock's visibility has dropped while properties that drew inspiration from his stories are now more well-known among geeks.
Bryan Rombough
2018-06-12 23:03:15 +0000 UTCThat's a good idea...
Ross Payton
2018-06-12 05:34:59 +0000 UTCoh yeah good catch on Moorcock. He also influenced D&D with the law/chaos stuff.
Ross Payton
2018-06-12 05:34:46 +0000 UTCI could never get into 40k, first I suck at and don't like miniature games and second there is Grimdark and then there is "hope makes the powers of Chaos stronger so we have to while it out" Grimdark. Could never care for anything in the setting.
Doug Jacobson
2018-06-09 03:18:55 +0000 UTCOh, and here's something for Jeb, who expressed some incredulity regarding the Slann: <a href="http://bryanharryrombough.tumblr.com/post/168344699248/old-games-workshop-slann-concepts-scanned-from" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://bryanharryrombough.tumblr.com/post/168344699248/old-games-workshop-slann-concepts-scanned-from</a>
Bryan Rombough
2018-06-06 23:17:21 +0000 UTCNever got into playing Warhammer or 40k, but loved a lot of the Rogue Trader era 40k art & fluff (especially Ian Miller & John Blanche). Some sources for “Oldhammer” art: <a href="http://gothicpunk.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://gothicpunk.tumblr.com/</a> <a href="http://fuckyeahroguetrader.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://fuckyeahroguetrader.tumblr.com/</a> <a href="http://fuckyeahbritisholdschoolgaming.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://fuckyeahbritisholdschoolgaming.tumblr.com/</a> On the fantasy element in 40k: Rick Priestley (author of the first two editions) said that he wanted to write a purely sci-fi game, but Bryan Ansell (owner of Citadel/GW) didn’t think that would sell, and insisted on including fantasy races from Warhammer. A little ironic, seeing as Warhammer has now been rebooted to be more like 40k. I also love trolling modern 40k fans by declaring my undying love of Space Dwarfs, and referring to the Eldar as “Space Elves”. And I like to troll the fans who get their shorts in a twist about “canon” by pointing out that when the minis that became the original ‘Space Marines’ first appeared they were called ‘Deep Space Mercenaries’: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/XqU7bG" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://flic.kr/p/XqU7bG</a> Also, I think you missed one of the influences on Warhammer/40k: Michael Moorcock. The concept of chaos gods and chaos as a power in the universe came from his “Eternal Champion” books. Even the eight-pointed ‘Symbol of Chaos’ which appears throughout Warhammer/40k books comes from Moorcock’s stories. Moorcock was big in sci-fi & fantasy in the 60s & 70s when the original authors of Warhammer & 40k were growing up, but he’s not so popular now and some modern fans will vehemently deny his influence, despite the obvious evidence.
Bryan Rombough
2018-06-06 23:11:04 +0000 UTCThis is exactly what you need to continue the legacy of wod the heck, and paladium poisoning. WARHAMMERED.
David Tokarczyk
2018-06-06 16:20:40 +0000 UTCOne of the origins for the Orks in 40K was that they were a dying race ( remembered as the BrainBoyz) who genetically engineered them to be idiot savants in war, because the orginals were dying. Guess that got retconned along the way. Some early 40K stuff had female space marines in art because they hadn't settled on the boys club only supersoldiers.
Peter Robson
2018-06-05 14:50:18 +0000 UTCAt least they get to live. Their predecessors, Thunder-warriors, got killed off by the Emperor after he used them to help take back Terra after the world had gone all Mad Max X Fist of the North Star.
AbT3
2018-06-04 19:10:19 +0000 UTCThe best part of that little nugget is that in various places in the fluff it's implied that Space Marines are actually chem-gelded (making them sterile), and part of their indoctrination is quashing any interest in pleasures of the flesh (along with myriad other forms of temptation) to prevent them falling into Chaos. The excuses for Space Marines being male-only gets thinner the more they try to explain it (I read tell once that you literally needed a Y-chromosome in order to bond with geneseed due to the fact that the Primarchs were all male). It's really just ... doofy. And yes, it's very much a byproduct of the period it was originally written in.
Richard Reynolds
2018-06-04 04:51:07 +0000 UTCWhile I agree that Space Marines being a boys-only club is stupid, it makes a degree of sense: you don't want super soldiers reproducing. Of course, The Emprah could have just sterilized them and entirely avoided the risk but I assume it's a byproduct of 80s/90s
Amelia Moss
2018-06-04 04:09:08 +0000 UTC
