13. The Old 'In-Out, In-Out'
Added 2024-01-02 21:41:42 +0000 UTC0:00 The 'In-Out' game/Catholicism/Anti-Humanism/The Jeffrey Epstein list
20:00 Being completely unscripted and radical sincerity/Our ideas for new formats/The strength of us both together/Drug use
42:50 New trailer soundtracks/Swearing in advertising/Modular storytelling
51:19 Saltburn discussion
1:04:23 Youth and the fear of dying/Marketing exclusively to children
1:08:35 Gaming products/The mass exodus of the games industry/All products have their equivalent of nuclear deterrents
1:24:51 POV playlists/Our other format idea
Hope you had a good holiday season guys, we're happy to be back.
Let us know your thoughts on our new format ideas and everything else in the podcast. We're really happy to have you guys here and we're very excited for 2024. We have a lot of things planned.
Enjoy.
Comments
hey, happy new year! about "the boy and the heron", I would have loved to listen to deep dive on it. thank you guys, listening to your podcast was awesome experience for me in 2023.
sunnyside up
2024-01-06 18:26:43 +0000 UTCLeonard Cohen - First We Take Manhattan Radiohead - Daydreaming Modest Mouse - Float On
The Cinema Cartography
2024-01-06 09:35:27 +0000 UTCPenguin Cafe Orchestra - Perpetuum Mobile Aphex Twin - Stone in Focus Motley Crue - Kickstart My Heart
The Cinema Cartography
2024-01-06 09:32:15 +0000 UTCWhitehouse - Why You Never Became a Dancer Christopher Rage - Champagne & Cocaine 100 gecs - money machine Молчат Дома - Клетка George Thorogood & The Destroyers - Bad To The Bone Weird Al Yankovic - Hardware Store
The Cinema Cartography
2024-01-06 09:29:05 +0000 UTCI'm glad you're in a much better way now, Brad! Happy New Year and stay healthy. :)
Sophia Lambton
2024-01-05 20:06:23 +0000 UTCSaltburn was Brideshead revisited but in West Hollywood. One of those films where they tried so hard and yet it was so lazy. Aesthetic is so, so important, but some forget that you need a real story and better characters as well. Emerald is simply not a good director and it wasn’t even the “shocking” film that people pretend it is. I’m extremely jaded with these newer filmmakers in my age group as they are basicallly trying to make tumblr-esque movies and they really have nothing to say. They don’t even know how to authentically tap into their own experiences which is an even bigger problem
Jason
2024-01-04 02:02:08 +0000 UTCLooking forward to seeing your new formats. You’ve smashed the fuck out of the video essay wheel so now it’s only right to reinvent it, right? As a patron I always hope I’m helping you find space for experimentation. Playlist POV: I’m a sprig of thyme floating in a pot of chicken soup on a gas stove in a kitchen in north east London
Rebecca Orton
2024-01-03 20:33:14 +0000 UTCAs a religious person myself of the Christian variety, I was super excited to hear you guys (especially Luiza) talk about religion and Christianity in general. I’m also looking to read a lot of Christian theology this year. I’m currently studying the theology of Orthodoxy versus Protestantism and it’s been a very fun rabbit hole to dive into. It’s truly fascinating and incredibly edifying spiritually. A lot of great resources out there as well! PS: As for good resources, I highly recommend reading anything by the early Church Fathers, there’s a fantastic book I read recently called The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware that is hands down one the best books I’ve ever read. Hope these recommendations are helpful for you Luiza and anyone else interested in reading about the Christian faith!
Tyler Craig
2024-01-03 20:12:19 +0000 UTCPOV: you're a rock in a rockfall experiencing mobility for the first time in over a million years
Eric Drozda
2024-01-03 19:39:09 +0000 UTCI'd be delighted for a deep dive on The Boy & The Heron, however I would also recommend watching the behind the scenes documentary of the film beforehand if possible. It sheds a lot of light on his filmmaking approach for the last two decades and partially on why he's gone in and out of retirement.
Eric Drozda
2024-01-03 19:02:14 +0000 UTCI enjoyed the 'gossip girl' comment too - I thoroughly enjoyed Saltburn... but mainly from it being a fun, devilish, and quite humorous film experience. L&L are right to state it's not the referential, probing, or anything but superficial. General viewers, I think, may think they are watching something possibly elevated or, dare I say, they might throw around the word 'masterpiece' just because it pleased their eye and shocked them. Nah mate.... takes more than that! Shout out to Pike and Grant though who's performances I thoroughly enjoyed
hyperballadbrad
2024-01-03 10:33:49 +0000 UTCP.S I think its an exercise of humility to express some kindness to people who are suffering in life or death situations due to addiction. Those videos might be funny on the surface.... but they are people. They are suffering. It's life or death every single day. For two years solid of my life I could not stop using, despite wanting to desperately. I was still working and paying my rent. Just because I didn't become homeless or lose my job (I was going that way), doesn't mean I am any less an addict. I still suffered. Deeply. Daily. Every thought was consumed by using. Every spare moment was planning when I could next use. I was a skin and bone human shaped sack of lies, deceit, fear, self loathing, and shame. It was consuming me worse and worse every day. I was either thinking about using or how I could die with the least level of impact. So yeah.... you probably will have sneered at me early last year. You may have laughed at the image of me, chair jammed against a door, twitching at the blinds, paranoid someone was coming to hurt me.Like I say, it's funny on the surface.... but its inherently not, IMO. I am lucky. I am grateful. (Edit: hopefully this isn't coming across as me telling you what you should or should not be saying - I cherish your discussions - but it was obviously something that hit home)
hyperballadbrad
2024-01-03 09:22:06 +0000 UTC^my full post isn't showing on the browser but is on the app - so just in case, I've placed here..... Anyway - I like the ideas you had on trying to find fact or truth, inspired by the mention of Epstein. What I find interesting is that our information and news comes, for most people, via Social Media.... it's not sought, it's fed, which is a massive change. This is underpinned by the emphasis for the average person, not to have, but to GIVE their opinion - an illusion of agency and power - a compulsion for someone to be right or wrong, for something to be black or white, good or evil. I watched your suggested Youtube video on JonBenet, and as I watched it, I thought the same thing. An average viewer is so bent on needing the truth, they will convince themselves of anything. They will bend any information to create a truth. The comments section was monstrous and, for want of a better word, insane. Is it naïve to think that before the IV feed of news via social media that our engagement with the wider world was just less intense? I don't think it is. The change of passively understanding what might be going on in the world, seeing, feeling, getting on with the day.... abstract happenings around the world, a vague but fairly solid general understanding of names and places and activities in the public consciousness..... which has land-slid into the obsessive/compulsive need to 'be involved', be an authority, be threatened by others' opinions, and hold on to the pretense that we have power, not through action, but by galvanising our opinions in 1s and 0s. It disturbs me to my core..
hyperballadbrad
2024-01-03 09:02:45 +0000 UTCOnly listened to the last podcast yesterday! I am being DPed! (double Podcasted... duh!) <---- that was funny in my head Anyway - I like the ideas you had on trying to find fact or truth, inspired by the mention of Epstein. What I find interesting is that our information and news comes, for most people, via Social Media.... it's not sought, it's fed, which is a massive change. This is underpinned by the emphasis for the average person, not to have, but to GIVE their opinion - an illusion of agency and power - a compulsion for someone to be right or wrong, for something to be black or white, good or evil. I watched your suggested Youtube video on JonBenet, and as I watched it, I thought the same thing. An average viewer is so bent on needing the truth, they will convince themselves of anything. They will bend any information to create a truth. The comments section was monstrous and, for want of a better word, insane. Is it naïve to think that before the IV feed of news via social media that our engagement with the wider world was just less intense? I don't think it is. The change of passively understanding what might be going on in the world, seeing, feeling, getting on with the day.... abstract happenings around the world, a vague but fairly solid general understanding of names and places and activities in the public consciousness..... which has land-slid into the obsessive/compulsive need to 'be involved', be an authority, be threatened by others' opinions, and hold on to the pretense that we have power, not through action, but by galvanising our opinions in 1s and 0s. It disturbs me to my core..
hyperballadbrad
2024-01-03 08:56:51 +0000 UTCP.S. My POV: A B-movie film director from Slough (simultaneously a part-time mechanic) who writes essays on the Barbie movie on Substack. Enjoy!
Sophia Lambton
2024-01-03 01:50:29 +0000 UTCHappy New Year, Lewis and Luiza! I hope in 2024 we all finally get to meet you (virtually, at least!)! "A 'Gossip Girl' scene trying to pass itself off as class commentary." I haven't even seen this movie and I can vividly imagine what Luiza described. That's the best cinematic review soundbite I've read or heard in years! And I loved how you described it as "very slay". Totally agree with the "briefing" comparison. Camille Paglia said a similar thing - that cinema had devolved into contrived composites of frames. Now they're additionally taggable. The concept of the "teenage economy" and Eminem targeting his next album at five-year-olds is awesome too. And I am all for the highbrow-lowbrow correlations. The video Deep Dive idea sounds great! Love from Luiza's Defender
Sophia Lambton
2024-01-03 01:46:06 +0000 UTC
