EARLY EPISODE: The Modoc War
Added 2025-02-09 09:27:30 +0000 UTCOnce upon a time, the US went to war against a small tribe in the pacific northwest, and, despite winning due to the massive power imbalance, they managed to get their asses kicked the entire time.
Sources:
Arthur Quinn. Hell With the Fire Out: A History of the Modoc War
Terry Johnston. Devil's Backbone: The Modoc War, 1872β3
Robert McNally. The Modoc War: A Little Indian War Goes Big https://www.historynet.com/the-modoc-war-a-little-indian-war-goes-big/
Kurt Nelson. The Modoc War of 1872.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-modoc-war-of-1872/
https://www.militarymuseum.org/Modoc1.html
https://www.csuchico.edu/alva/projects/2012/the-beginning-of-the-end.shtml
https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/labe/intro.htm
Comments
I can't help but notice the parallels of doctrine and the failures thereof between this and American efforts in Vietnam. The concentration camps/reservations/strategic hamlets, the blind attacking into difficult terrain, the assembling a perimeter and enemy slips through, etx
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-04-07 12:32:50 +0000 UTCI was so proud of my students yesterday. I taught the long walk of the Navajo a few months back. Iβm now teaching the Armenian genocide and they made a direct comparison of what happened.
Brendan Bonner
2025-02-13 12:31:23 +0000 UTCIt's Turks all the way down, according to those people.
ruin
2025-02-12 18:06:53 +0000 UTCMy first kitchen job involved a regular who wanted a BLT with a bowl of ranch to dip it in. Like, roughly equal proportions ranch and sandwhich.
ruin
2025-02-12 17:23:57 +0000 UTCWhat wΓ s the "anal glands of a deer" comment about?? How did native Americans use them against the enemy? Pls halp ππ»
Lee Duce
2025-02-11 08:32:13 +0000 UTCThere is no way the Donner Party tasted good. They were starving so you know that meat had to be stringy as hell.
Boils
2025-02-11 05:28:56 +0000 UTCThat's the first time I've heard the phrase, "Tubal-cain" outside of "Newsradio".
Tom
2025-02-11 01:58:31 +0000 UTCThis is Free State of Jefferson territory lol
ChipotleAway
2025-02-11 01:26:54 +0000 UTCWorked a register for a bike shop awhile ago. Lady came in rambling about nuclear reactors at the Denver Int'l Airport, the UN cutting the world population in half, chemtrails, etc etc until my boss kinda shooed her away. Only later did I realize that boss regularly indulged those kinda nuts and I was just in the line of fire for the nonsense.
Jsuman
2025-02-11 01:22:35 +0000 UTCThe lady asking for the fudge is grim like watching a slow sepaku
Grumpy Bowlart
2025-02-10 21:22:25 +0000 UTCAs someone born in Humboldt county, CA and who has spent the vast majority of my life in that area, I am ashamed to admit I have never even heard of the Modoc War. I spent a ton of time around a few of the smaller tribes in the area, and am familiar with the Mendocino "War" and others, but our education on this is truly terrible, which is saying something considering I went to a highschool that was almost 50% native. Also, hearing Hoopa mentioned by Nate almost made me fall out of my chair!
Jordan Foster
2025-02-10 19:22:40 +0000 UTC"Always Coming Home" mentioned! Great book.
Ben Schwabe
2025-02-10 18:45:12 +0000 UTCThe only Tubal Cain mine I've heard of is here in the Olympic Mountains in Washington. You can visit it and a crashed B17 on the same day hike if you're ever in the area.
MaidenlessBrewer
2025-02-10 17:55:16 +0000 UTCNever knew the US military fought that guy with the huge head
The Best Sean
2025-02-10 17:40:31 +0000 UTCThanks very much guys. Great history here and always great humor. I don't know the answer either. I would've thought that teaching and talking about the holocaust very hot. Various holocaust would make things better but I think in some ways it's making it all worse. I don't know.
iDoTechOK
2025-02-10 16:50:45 +0000 UTCSince they are doing west coast history. I hope you guys do pig war. It quite something
Star maker 75
2025-02-10 16:23:25 +0000 UTCMy experience with the Colorado education system was similar to Nates in New Mexico. A very sanitized version of US history but the school had much more freedom in regards to state history were we lurned about the sand creek and Ludlow massicures and the various miner strikes that happened during the gold rush era.
Megan zietkiewicz
2025-02-10 15:29:44 +0000 UTCAs an external add of a New York American on to the end of the episodes monologue. I'd have to say this show and we'll there's your problem have taught me more about the world and other countries than anything my government has ever taught me, but my high school did have a decent Native American studies program interesting enough.
zach marks
2025-02-10 12:05:06 +0000 UTCIt is not true that all landlords become bustards, I knew someone who inherited some apartments, he lived in one of the units that was empty. Tried to be a nice guy, ended up running out of money, and had to sell them to bastards who jacked up rent. You either become a bastard or find a real job.
Alive Or Trees
2025-02-10 00:33:52 +0000 UTCGod who, in this case, took way, way too many Nvidia graphics cards to build
Ariane Signalis is the Elster Signalis Fan Club and challenges you to play SIGNALIS without pointing at any of the characters an
2025-02-09 21:07:41 +0000 UTCImagine somehow Trump flubs the whole new American fascism thing and JD Vance gets into office and is immediately ordered to present America's sepuku poem to God and that's how we get landback
Ariane Signalis is the Elster Signalis Fan Club and challenges you to play SIGNALIS without pointing at any of the characters an
2025-02-09 21:05:57 +0000 UTCAlso, my hometown was the capitol of Russian America, Sitka Alaska. If you want more Native vs Colonizer history, check out the history of that town (called Novo Archangelsk by the Russians)
Loquin Britton-Herndon
2025-02-09 20:12:25 +0000 UTCOh hey, I *just* started Parable of the Sower and discovered it takes place right now so I'm reading on the date things happen (unless there's a fifty year time jump or something)
Loquin Britton-Herndon
2025-02-09 20:08:08 +0000 UTCAlso, shoutout to my fellow Northern Californians (Bay Area here, obviously not as far North as where the events described in this episode took place but still).
Allen
2025-02-09 18:08:50 +0000 UTCRe: Nateβs bit about βNorthern Californian Kurdistanβ, apparently a lot of people in Turkey believe that Native Americans are Turkic in originβa theory that doesnβt work chronologically in terms of human migration patterns out of Central Asia, but obviously that doesnβt stop people from believing itβ¦
Allen
2025-02-09 18:06:40 +0000 UTCso what im getting here is that jefferson davis is just the alan smithee of american military history
Lain of the Wired
2025-02-09 17:42:44 +0000 UTCIf only the white man had a cold can of white Monster.
Alistair SM J
2025-02-09 17:38:45 +0000 UTCLearned about both Klamath and Modoc from Fallout.
Salman Khatri
2025-02-09 16:05:47 +0000 UTCIt is fun when you cover what will later be known through Marvel.
Eric
2025-02-09 15:44:49 +0000 UTCThey built my highschool where 4 Modoc POW's were assassinated by Oregon militia. Grew up on the Lost River. Been to the lava beds hundreds of times. Shit hits hard when you realize your whole community, your whole life, was built on stolen land. We also had one of the largest Japanese internment camps ever built. But never a formal education on any of it.
Jack palmer
2025-02-09 15:40:43 +0000 UTCPrequel to the Bitch Wars, but somebody misspelled mudak.
Jonathan Grafton
2025-02-09 15:09:50 +0000 UTC*Sigh* Puts down Coffin Troopers before I finish. Picks up Always Coming Home
James CΓ©zanne-Taipale
2025-02-09 14:39:10 +0000 UTCA formal apology was issued to the First People in Australia in 2007. It is considered incredibly powerful to have injustice, abuse and trauma formally acknowledged, particularly given the previous Prime Minister said he couldn't see that anything wrong had been done. I agree with Joe, though, that an apology means nothing if it isn't followed up with action to alleviate the wrongs. While we've made some positive steps, we too have a LONG way to go. For instance, we still have to come to grips with our version of the residential system, and we don't have any treaties. Though given the way treaties were and are routinely ignored, I'm hoping one will be negotiated that has teeth.
LeobaL
2025-02-09 11:09:24 +0000 UTCYour impeccable release schedule is incredibly comforting Joe β€οΈ
Sparky
2025-02-09 10:37:44 +0000 UTC
