EARLY EPISODE: The Rwandan Genocide: Part 3
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Comments
I like it lmao
RIPKobe
2024-09-22 22:59:55 +0000 UTCThat is uhhh not accurate to say the least
Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast
2024-09-22 17:12:36 +0000 UTCI mentioned it to my dad and he honestly said to me the international response didn't care because they were Catholic... Which is this new or old incredibly dangerous revisionist history? And he's that type of old guy that will just not listen. Like was devastated by Rush Limbaugh's death kinda guy.
Rhiannon Capri
2024-09-22 17:03:17 +0000 UTCI learned this at like 12 when my brother got a snake and was VERY upset at Harry Potter for the first time of very many times
Rhiannon Capri
2024-09-22 17:00:06 +0000 UTCI want to know as well
Rhiannon Capri
2024-09-21 20:08:30 +0000 UTCWhen you said maybe you've heard the rhetoric at home it felt like a sledgehammer to the chest. My dad literally said TO ME, his DAUGHTER, after the golf course thing that it's "your people that are doing this it's your peoples fault where in a war, they started the violence" It scared me then and horrifies me even more every time I think about it
Rhiannon Capri
2024-09-21 20:07:47 +0000 UTCIt has been the intro for LLBD for quite a while now
Jim Heeren
2024-09-20 13:11:30 +0000 UTCI generally don't agree with the "old days were better" people, but I will give them one thing: at least there was a time when killing Nazis was actively encouraged instead of illegal. Having to listen to barely-veiled rhetoric from fascists while a bunch of common people consider calling them fascist "overreacting" is absolutely disgusting.
Markus D
2024-09-18 22:55:02 +0000 UTCIt makes me so angry because I very much want to do something to change any of this, but I don't have that kind of power. I wish many people in power weren't so horrible and greedy.
Markus D
2024-09-18 20:36:43 +0000 UTCI've been listening to shows with Nate in them for like three years and this is the first time I think I've heard him speak, however briefly, in a genuine tone of deep anger.
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-09-17 01:18:11 +0000 UTCCan someone point me to episodes where Joe has talked about Chomsky before? I'm curious to know what he has to say about him.'
Jon Ownbey
2024-09-16 17:19:38 +0000 UTCAnyone know what the name of the brewing podcast is that Tom hosted? Edit: looks like it's called A New Brew, but I can't find any episodes, just two clips on SoundCloud.
Eric Hegberg
2024-09-16 14:24:47 +0000 UTCEnding the podcast with "go do somting you enjoy" well lucky for me I waited a week to listen to this so I could hear part 3 and 4 both in the same day. Well wasn't that going to be a depressing decision
Monty Mace
2024-09-16 01:48:28 +0000 UTCMan I expected France to be embarrassingly malignly incompetent, but this was so much worse than what I saw coming.
A Guy
2024-09-13 17:46:03 +0000 UTCI read "Shake Hands With the Devil" many years ago, so I knew some of this already but had also forgotten some of it or was fuzzy on the details, plus a lot of new information and context that Dallaire's book didn't have, so this was really valuable to hear.
The Narrator
2024-09-13 05:00:17 +0000 UTCWhat is this trashy ass bagpipe house blend intro music lmao. Really sets the mood for an incredibly heavy topic
Boils
2024-09-13 04:54:48 +0000 UTCBrewdog, appropriately, has like a dozen locations in OH… cause of course all bad stuff comes here
Ben
2024-09-11 21:04:52 +0000 UTCjesus wept man i need some more animal facts please
Louis G
2024-09-10 23:30:01 +0000 UTCWell done. This was a tough one. I think you handled the tone very well.
Sean MacLeod
2024-09-10 21:55:27 +0000 UTCI feel the same about the way people discuss immigrants in the US (and the rest of the western world for that matter). Feels like you’re being constantly gaslit by everybody into thinking this is normal political discourse to call for the elimination of swaths of people because they are “illegal/criminal/can’t assimilate”
Corey Bushle
2024-09-10 16:10:09 +0000 UTCPart 4 will cover the Gacaca Court system and how it was...less than ideal
Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast
2024-09-10 15:56:40 +0000 UTCDonkey Punch is a helluva good sandwich shop if you're ever in Rome, and the garage band vibe is on par
The Best Sean
2024-09-10 15:22:04 +0000 UTCHey Joe and crew great episode! As a student who studied genocide in undergrad I have one question with this episode, you said at the end no one ever got closure on it, but Rwanda had a very unique way to deal with genocide to every other country through the Gacaca court, could you speak on that?
Con
2024-09-10 04:03:50 +0000 UTCit’s hard not to feel insane when it’s people who otherwise love you isn’t it? trying to explain why i’m scared to my mom feels impossible. no attempt at empathy, no attempt at understanding, just vague and empty “support”. it’s fucking terrifying what people will ignore in order to make their lives feel more comfortable. much love and stay dangerous
pie
2024-09-09 20:53:45 +0000 UTCMore reasons to hate the catholic church yay!
Wolfgang Hoffmann
2024-09-09 18:49:56 +0000 UTCJust listened. Thank you so much.
Chris Lombardi
2024-09-09 14:52:51 +0000 UTCTbh when listening to this I'm not even thinking about past genocides because we are seeing several genocides right now, and it's the same, same playbook in rhetoric, same apathy from governments across the world except the neighboring ones (in case of Palestine it's not even apathy it's direct support of the genociders by the biggest countries in the world), nothing f-ng changed. I honestly don't know how historians, especially one that specialize in genocide, deal with this, it's soul-crushing.
CBK-9
2024-09-09 11:34:26 +0000 UTCYou matter! <3
Felix Reiter
2024-09-09 11:22:58 +0000 UTCDamn. I feel it's kind of a low bar to despise genocidal rhetoric. Everybody should have the capacity to do that, right? But I feel a lot better about despising the kind that softballs itself into the public square and political discourse ESPECAILLY, and losing some friends when I refused to validate them and pretend that this type of speech is ok. It is absolutely NOT fucking ok. Thanks for another great podcast. I usually come here to laugh, but I also come here to learn a few things too.
Scott Kean
2024-09-09 05:09:06 +0000 UTCAgreed I can’t imagine what a rabbit hole of a thought process studying and then podcasting about this. He does an excellent job
mumbles march
2024-09-09 03:56:22 +0000 UTCThis is one of the most horrifying podcast episodes I've ever listened to. Thank you, Joe, Tom, and Nate for taking on the almost impossible task of reporting on such an overlooked and underreported act of evil that is barely a generation old.
Forrest Baker
2024-09-09 01:18:51 +0000 UTCOkay so I'm also a holocaust and genocide historian (scholar?). However you'd like to put it. I have a MA in holocaust and genocide studies like Joe. I always appreciate seeing how others approach education about the topic. It's challenging to find the line of what people can absorb and what just becomes sensationalist. I really liked what Joe said about genocide studies. Education is key to genocide prevention. We need more genocide education as a way of prevention. It needs to go beyond the Holocaust as well. Secondly what he mentioned about studying genocide. It does give you a bit of a detachment to it all. You have to or you will lose it. Honestly I thought this would be more detailed (though Joe hit the right amount of detail imo). I'm messed up and suffer the same detachment because a lot of my research in grad school was in sexual violence during the Rwandan genocide. I understand why he didn't go into detail about how large a part sexual violence played in the Rwandan genocide. I do hope maybe the fourth episode will touch on the transmission of hiv and the amount of children born from the genocide. Sexual violence occurred to both men and women during this genocide (though obviously women took the brunt). Rwandan women still face shame and stigma for what happened. Also, I'm not sure if you read the comments or not, Joe, but you're doing a fantastic job educating on this extremely challenging topic. I can't imagine trying to balance with the podcast normally having humor to cover such a serious topic. It is no easy task. This series has been great thus far!
Kaylee
2024-09-08 22:30:15 +0000 UTCCan’t recall which episode (Cambodian Genocide, probably) but I’m 100% sure Joe used this exact fact at some point previously lol
Walker Adams
2024-09-08 21:24:47 +0000 UTCI've been told countless times I'm being histerical or alarmist for explaining to my own family or friends how the rhetoric around trans people is genocidal in nature but they still don't believe me. It's demoralizing and makes me feel like my life doesn't matter as much as people's own comfort. So thanks guys for being so supportive and genuinely caring towards people like me, it really means a lot.
Loonity
2024-09-08 17:35:32 +0000 UTCLow Countries UN troops: grandmasters of not intervening.
Ol Purdy Bastard
2024-09-08 16:27:07 +0000 UTCFUCKING CHRIST, FRANCE! Edit: I am with Tom. FUCK the Catholic Church.
nughh
2024-09-08 16:22:22 +0000 UTCAnimal fact- Snakes can't blink their eyes.
Allison Riley
2024-09-08 15:22:22 +0000 UTCOne meta aspect about the Rwandan genocide that I find incredibly troubling is the blatant racist double standard. People are incredibly willing to give perpetrators of the holocaust the "either they went along with it or they died" excuse when we know it was almost never the reality, meanwhile Rwanadans who in many cases did have that reality (remember that if you were a Hutu moderate who refused to take part in the genocide you were also as good as dead) are treated like mindless drones who were tricked by radio and "tribal conflict"
jackson macpherson
2024-09-08 15:09:59 +0000 UTCAnd for me the exquisite time of 6am 😂😂😂
mumbles march
2024-09-08 14:55:24 +0000 UTCthe topic is depressing as shit but the new intro song is a banger so swings and roundabouts
Sara Waterfall
2024-09-08 14:05:46 +0000 UTCDeep breaths boys, we'll get through this together
Thomas Layton
2024-09-08 14:05:43 +0000 UTCThere’s a book called The Good Old Days that goes into reasonably extensive detail about on-the-ground violence in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union as conducted by the Nazis and, crucially, local auxiliaries and authority figures. The Baltic states were really bad for exterminating their Jewish populations.
Matt
2024-09-08 14:01:44 +0000 UTCUsually that’s called engineer’s disease, but it equally applies to non-STEM people.
Matt
2024-09-08 13:41:50 +0000 UTCOh lordy the livestream is gonna be at 8am - but ill be damned if im missing it
harper
2024-09-08 13:18:54 +0000 UTCFun Animal Fact- There is a species of shrew called the Turbo Shrew.
Elder Dog
2024-09-08 12:20:48 +0000 UTCHere's a cute animal fact if you need it like I did. Ravens like to play with and have toys and will try to hide and trick researchers from taking said toys.
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
2024-09-08 12:19:04 +0000 UTCGreat episode, as a Polish person I really appreciated the mentions of Polish involvement in the Holocaust, this is something rarely picked up on in an informed way. At some point I'd like to listen to an episode about this and perhaps even some of the post war pogroms.
Witold_mix
2024-09-08 11:58:18 +0000 UTCChomsky is unfortunately a case of someone having something to say from a level of expertise, in this case linguistics, getting famous for it but then he had to talk about everything else and because he’s famous, he gets an outlet
Nys
2024-09-08 11:32:18 +0000 UTCGiven the amount of episodes and your subject matter I think you do an amazing job of avoiding being exploitative. You put things in context and encourage people to think about things thoughtfully without being neutral (or objective) to a detriment or passionless. On another side note there is a brewdog near me in Australia built in an old prison
mumbles march
2024-09-08 10:55:47 +0000 UTCWell I wasn't planning to sleep for the next week anyway...
Panda
2024-09-08 10:08:30 +0000 UTCCan’t wait for some more genocide.
Louis Wilkins
2024-09-08 08:47:57 +0000 UTC
