The Menendez Brothers Netflix Documentary
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Huge disappointment. I will cansel my subscription. I suggest you guys check out the BRIDGECO and Spiritual Director reaction channel. Their reactions are free of prejudice and cynicism. They are thoughtful and empathetic as they should be. Tespite watching the serie they can distinguish between what is real and what is scripted. They have a very open mind about this issue.
Dream Theatre
2024-11-16 12:40:41 +0000 UTCwhat's wrong with yall...
keiran
2024-10-24 17:39:21 +0000 UTCWow just finished watching and I understand having opinions but the lack of any sort of empathy is just insane. You ended at the end saying you want conversations of mental health and that it is important for victims to come out and shed light. Well... two victims just did, and you barely believed them! There so many points of conversation where I could not believe you were even bringing them up. The tiger king vs this or Ryan Murphys show vs this conversation was just extremely unintelligent at best. Ryan Murphys show was more entertaining than a documentary... yes that's usually the case with shows they tend to have the aim to entertain and documentaries inform. The disgusting thing is, the show has clearly done a lot of damage and you can see it in the way it has affected the way you guys view the Melendez brothers which a lot of was informed on fabricated conversations in the show? I will pose a question, if your children were sexually molested for a length of time by e.g. another family member of yours for multiple years and one day they snapped and killed that family member, would you be so inclined that they should get life in prison without parole, would you be this cold towards this case? I severely doubt it. It is crazy you seem to have way more empathy for two people who could not obtain a single positive character testimony from people than their children who they abused, they brought them into this life, they abused them and they got killed by their own creation. This is pretty much the only case of murder I fail to sympathise with the victims on. As for the 'cold testimony'. This trial went on for years. There is a sense of disassociation victims of trauma have to deal with the painful details of their abuse. You can see Erik almost stepping outside of himself, he was also on anti-depressants and Xanax. As for Lyle, there were many more parts of his testimony where he was way more emotional, it was just not shown. As for evidence of abuse other than witness testimony, there were pictures taken by their parents of their genitals when they were around 6 and 8 that their father had taken, medical reports of Erik's bruised palette when he was a child, both brothers were described as extremely shy and timid at school, had gastrointestinal problems, balding as a child, Lyle wrote an essay aged 14 about someone getting trialed for killing his abuser. The lady's reaction which is ridiculing to things she has no idea about is crazy. 'New evidence??' yes there is evidence that was not brought forward. Menudo member came out and said he was raped by Jose. Also the brothers cousin Andy passed away in 2003, when his mother was searching his room she recovered a letter from Erik where he says he is always scared his dad will come into his room and that he can't take it anymore. There are people who walk our streets today, with a higher level of pre-meditation or even worse, crimes committed against strangers and against innocent people, who don't show any remorse, who are not good people, who re-offend, and they walk our streets after few years in jail. I know you don't care as they had a 'cushy' life, but their release would be a huge win for victims of sexual abuse, a step forward in our society. As for pictures of Lyle smiling? What are they supposed to show, him miserable? The fact of the matter is, the brothers were never described as bad people, even in their trial. Teachers and coaches described them as shy, respectful children. Into their older years they were described by peers as quite generous and were never described as bad people. They had no past of violence, and after their parent's death they also had no violent incidents. Through their life in prison they has been involved in rehabilitation of other inmates, involved in plans of betterment of the prisons and prison projects, their fellow inmates always have good words to say about them. I know you have an idea of Lyle painted by Monsters, but according to real life testimonies, this is not accurate, so yes I hope he is smiling and feels free in some way. It sounds to me that these people would be beneficial to our society not harmful and should be freed.
pcy
2024-10-24 11:43:13 +0000 UTCIn terms of lyles testimony which you said didn't feel that heartfelt, they actually didn't include most of the moments where you could see him sobbing, face swollen and red, his whole testimony was compelling they just didn't show it ALL/ didn't show his face. Also, during Erik's first testimony he had not taken his medication and was very emotional so they stopped. In his following testimony days he had been on Xanax, which is why you may say he wasn't showing as much emotion. Also worth to mention disassociation is a very real trauma response victims have to protect themselves.
pcy
2024-10-24 10:06:04 +0000 UTCYou spilled. According to youtube, they may be doing a livestream soon where they can get some feedback. Maybe that will give them a chance to do some more research 🙏
thank u next
2024-10-24 01:08:20 +0000 UTCLiterally just became a patron because I saw you guys you watched this and I was hoping the documentary meant you'd have a more open perspective, but clearly that is not the case...disappointing. The lack of empathy and understanding for what they went through and how trauma like that can really fuck with someone. No one is disputing that they're guilty and should've been punished, but most people with basic morals should understand that LIFE in prison for killing your abusers is just...not right. I would've understood the hostility towards them if they became like the countless other serial killers and school shooters in the world who choose to take their trauma out on people who never wronged them, but...I'm sorry I 100% believe child molestors, abusers, pedophiles and rapists deserve death and to punish their victims so heavily for fighting back is insane. Laughing at them and being so condescending and dismissive of their trauma is...weird. You'd think seeing the large amount of their family still standing by them to this day, the raw emotion coming out during those testimonies and the COUNTLESS witnesses to the abuse and experts who corroborated would've been enough to make you question the "were they lying" stance. I'm glad they might be getting a chance to reopen the trial and resentence them to be freed sooner because the fact that they had to live through so much horror as children, felt forced to take deadly action and then were put through the most bullshit court experience and were dragged through filth in media for the last...30 years? Being constantly mocked, sexualized, manipulated, and dismissed and it's STILL happening despite the resurgence in support for them and the clear evidence of their rehabilitation? SO so sad. They deserved better then and they deserve better now.
sierra's reaction corner
2024-10-23 03:13:13 +0000 UTC🤝🏻🫂🤍
Camilla
2024-10-22 20:04:40 +0000 UTCholy shit what is this…what happened here guys? i feel like I lost so much respect for you. this made me feel physically ill. you are so coloured by the netflix show and so close-minded..actually shocked by this reaction and the fucking LAUGHS. 0 empathy. old dusty ass views and mindset.
Ida Vinga
2024-10-22 04:14:47 +0000 UTCits so weird to me the amount of anger you feel toward these men. You tend to go against anything that could bring a reason to why they committed these horrible acts. And are very insensitive to the abuse they faced, when you are abused and have trauma you tend to dissociate that's kind of a big thing that happens, so him dissociated on the stand is not a sign he's lying but the exact opposite. What i seem to notice is you are, like a lot of the public at the time, seem to blame these guys for the injustice of the legal system. Incase ya'll aren't aware these guys don't have money anymore so no they didn't buy luxuries in prison to be with each other again. And you are right it isn't self defense it was IMPERFECT self defense which is how they described it in the documentary. I don't believe in murder and i don't think they should've killed their parents but i don't blame them for doing so and until you have lived what they did neither should you.
Kendra valdez
2024-10-22 00:46:08 +0000 UTCI agree with what you said about the trail hearing Lyle on the stand naming out every single stuffed animals he named and had since childhood to cope was absolutely heartbreaking.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:55:02 +0000 UTCI agree with everything in this comment and you worded it so well, they deserve to be free and I would love to see them free, the fact that people still don’t believe them and there is so much evidence that proves that they were abused is crazy to me. I just hope and pray that they will be free soon because they deserve to be free.
ella
2024-10-21 23:47:18 +0000 UTCI’m so sorry you had to go through that, I hope you’re okay now.
ella
2024-10-21 23:43:57 +0000 UTCI will say contrary to a lot of these comments this reaction didn’t really surprise for a couple of reasons. I actually don’t mind your conclusions bc 1. Bc of the show you went in with a few preconceived notions about the Menendez Brothers and their case bc you’re fresh off the Ryan Murphy depiction so it’s to be expected. 2. The documentary only scratches the surface of the abuse that went down in that house and the witnesses to their abuse so you don’t really have too much to go off on. I think the only ppl who truly get a grasp of this case in its entirety are ppl who’ve watched the whole court trial for both prosecution and defense. **Note btw when it comes to Eric’s testimony he was on medication so that he could testify. His mental state was a mess, he dissociates numerous times throughout his testimony and it was so he wouldn’t have a breakdown on the stand. That’s why he’s so mellowed out** There’s a lot of corroborating evidence along with witness statements so when it comes to the question about whether or not the abuse happened I can say with full confidence that it did. There was also a lot of stuff during the trial that both Eric and Lyle explained they did to help cope with their abuse that just wasn’t well known knowledge back then — it was too accurate form a psychologist standpoint that I just don’t believe it’s something they made up such as Eric’s explanation (in his own words) of how when his father was ra*ing him he would basically dissociate (he described a feeling of just leaving his body and pretending it wasn’t happening). Back then unless you lived it I don’t think you would understand that feeling. There was also Lyle who emotionally coped with the abuse he was enduring at home but playing with stuffed animals well into his teenage years. They had names and personalities and his girlfriends knew about them. He even go teased at school bc of it and at one point Kitty who knew how much his stuffed animals meant to Lyle threatened to throw them out the window and making Lyle become distraught. Psychologists now recognize that Lyle was basically doing what’s called play therapy as a way to endure. Now when it comes to their defense I still personally feel like that’s up for debate. Where or not they killed their parents in imperfect self defense it’s a bit up in the air for me factually. However if I was to just go off pure emotion when it comes to this case I definitely would’ve voted manslaughter. The abuse that was happening in the home from both their mother (yes their mother was highly abusive as well but nobody really talks about that for some reason) and father it’s a meditating factor I would’ve had to take into account I mean the abuse was absolutely horrendous when you actually sit down and listen to what these ppl put their sons through. I don’t think they deserve like and their behavior in jail (ask the prison guards and inmates) don’t give that they would kill again.
Dionna
2024-10-21 23:38:51 +0000 UTCNo I actually got sick to my stomach because as a abuse survivor that is all I used to hear. the only people that did really believe me is my parents and grandparents. Which I am grateful for.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:32:26 +0000 UTCNo cause she is actually a miserable person it’s been 35 years get over you lost byeee. Meanwhile Leslie over here doing the civil thing after all of this and still keeping her client protected and still refuses to speak on the matter because she believes in her job and protecting her client.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:30:13 +0000 UTCMeanwhile while they were talking over the trial trying to debate if they were telling the truth Erik is describing how his father made him put a wooden stick up his butt like what. Always believe the victim until proven otherwise as simple as that. And so far there has been nothing in this case that contradicts what the brothers went through.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:28:33 +0000 UTCYou know I also find that crazy. I am in a rare instance where in my family, both my grandma and mom believe the brothers. My nana believed that they did it for money I showed her research and made her watch a couple documentaries and like any normal civil person she immediately believed them and corrected herself as so did my mom. It probably has to do with the fact that my family has A LOT of women in it I have like 7 great aunts and my mom is the only child so no uncles. I am the only child and a women. So I think that also seems why. Which is kinda crazy cause in this instance the guy reactor seems a bit more sympathetic than the women which is a bit crazy. It’s either the women and man are both sympathetic or the women is more sympathetic than the man.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:23:06 +0000 UTCThis comment is beautiful and also voiced my thoughts. Like people love to study how they we’re looking during the trial. You NEVER WIN. You smile, oh he’s evil. You don’t smile, oh he’s evil. You literally don’t do anything, oh he’s a cold blooded killer. Like I DONT GET IT what exactly are they supposed to look like. They were on the stand for hours and hours like they were tired Lyle has had panda eyes since he was young. Huh, I wonder why?
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:19:02 +0000 UTCPamela is a hypocrite end of story.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:15:15 +0000 UTCI literally hate her
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:14:48 +0000 UTCYeah I’ll defend the brothers with my life. It’s sad they got punished for their parent’s karma. But anyways I am excited for bridgeco (who are the YouTubers I was talking about) they have said they are already gonna do a stream dedicated to researching the Menedez brothers as well. It’s a huge possibility of them watching a documentary because of how much their viewers want it and they actually listen to their viewers. The only reason they are doubting it is because documentaries aren’t their usual content and they aren’t sure how it’s going to go. But I love their content and always have they are very sympathetic and it probably has to do with them having a little girl. Even after watching monsters they still are for the brothers and even briefly looked at a Reddit search about the evidence in the trial after watching ep.9 and guess what…they got emotional after seeing the brothers separated in the show which is a normal reaction instead of idk dancing to the music in the background like these people were. But I KNOW they won’t disappoint.
Iriana F
2024-10-21 23:05:25 +0000 UTCAlso I want to note because I think you missed it when y'all were talking but the whole "escape plan" plot from the series was made up. It was fictionalized. Notice how they described the letter and it made no mention of escape. It was actually a heartfelt letter from Lyle detailing what they went through. He told Eric to "destroy the note" because it was only meant for his eyes. He never wanted to talk about the SA as a defense to begin with. There was nothing about escape in that letter at all. They even said in this documentary that the police quietly acknowledged AFTER they confiscated the letter that the boys NEVER tried to escape. Y'all know how cops be 😑. Saying they plotted escape was a ploy to gain access to that letter, which they then used as evidence of their involvement. And to clear up Mikel-Claire's confusion when she questioned that they already knew they were involved before the letter. Yes, the prosecutors knew, but they did not have EVIDENCE they could use in court, because as they mentioned, courts had not yet granted permission to admit the TAPES into evidence until the end of the trial. So up until that moment with the letter, they really had no concrete evidence they could use in court showing that the brothers were involved.
thank u next
2024-10-21 22:52:59 +0000 UTCperiod, agreed with everything you said. this was definitely disappointing to see.
S
2024-10-21 22:49:41 +0000 UTCoh you ate with this comment. they bout to jump when they see those headlines of them getting out next month 🙏 hopefully then they will do their research. and yes even this documentary (which was much better factually than the series) unfortunately left out the new evidence, which has led to their probable resentencing/release. the SA by the menudos and the contemporaneous letter among other things. unfortunately I think they were negatively influenced by the fictional portrayal in episode 7 and the biased commentary from one of their collaborators (I won't name names 🙃) who happens to work in law. they even said after that that they didn't know what to believe, but unfortunately, the basis of their doubt was all fictionalized. god forbid their own children were subjected to anywhere near the level of abuse those boys went through. I swear to god they wouldn't fix themselves to throw stones..
thank u next
2024-10-21 22:44:06 +0000 UTCYou think they deserve life in prison? After the trauma they went through for years and the response to that at the young age of 18/21? No one is saying they didn’t deserve to be imprisoned - the problem is the complete unfairness of the second trial which prompted the degree. Also while you were judging how much of their testimonies is acting: there is another victim of Jose Menendez that came forward in 2023 saying he was molested by him as a teen when he was a member of Menudo, so there’s that. Maybe consider that that’s real pain by the brothers and there’s the concept of dissociation while having to recount that trauma matter of factly to a full courtroom and the entire country… Also what‘s with the condescending tone and comments throughout the entire reaction and zero empathy or understanding of what trauma does to the brain?? That honestly shocked me….I think it is fair to question the facts presented and be doubtful but some of the comments y’all made were straightup biased and ridiculing. And the last part where they talk about their separation, at least that part every person should be able to have compassion for - they talk about being separated from their only sibling for two decades. Two trauma victims who were bonded by that trauma their entire lives. That is genuinely heartbreaking no matter what you think of the case. The fact that y’all reacted so cold and condescending to that rather than empathetic really was something…Also Pamela Bozanich, the prosecutor you SO liked, has made statements like “men can’t be raped because they lack the necessary equipment“ in the past but then again it seems like you guys don’t really get phased by questionable phrases like that seeing you found her rather insane statements just in this documentary alone about shooting tiktok people and being pissed off that people believe the brothers testimonies hilarious and likeable. Anyway. Hope when they are hopefully free soon, you can show more empathy. 35 years is enough.
S
2024-10-21 22:38:57 +0000 UTCPam is too busy fighting for her life against teenagers on TikTok to look at the actual evidence of SA (including new evidence, if the old one wasn't enough) and the dozens of testimonies from experts that have actually studied Lyle and Erik's behavior, who have said that the boys (now men) show every sign of childhood SA. I just hate how she claims to value the FACTS but is blindfolded when it comes to admitting her bias. But hey, apparently the Menendez brothers are going to be freed thanks to a bunch of kids online and definitely not because the trial was an absolute joke...
elena
2024-10-21 21:45:53 +0000 UTCI think you guys still have a traditional mindset and that is really unfortunate. The fact that after watching the trials you still say the brothers aren’t believable any person in their right mind could see they were telling the truth. Even after you saw all the professionals and doctors say they definitely endured abuse you still want to say it’s not believable. Professionals who study body language have broken down the trial and have said that their body language is WAY TOO consistent with trauma and not even an Oscar winning actor can convey that. There is no doubt they were abused and I will state the evidence at the end. The fact I know you are traditional is because you’re like for Pamela and Not Leslie. The reason people didn’t like Leslie is because she didn’t take ANY crap from anyone and people back then found that uncanny and wanted a traditional obedient women. Pamela is a disgusting human being and is the type to discredit all rape victims. I wish she didn’t have as much screen time. And the fact you think THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT LIFE IS INSANE. They deserved manslaughter after killing those monsters. The world is a better place without Jose and Kitty. I am a firm believer of killing the abuser which is not a traditional mindset but a modern one which is why I think you have a traditional one. I believe murder is wrong to a certain extent. In this case it’s not im sorry I feel no sympathy for those monsters and never will. The boys were mentally 8-10 years old so no they could not make decisions logically. The abuse was so bad that they stopped aging mentally. (This was proven by professionals and doctors). The brothers have a good chance of getting out because of the new evidence submitted (as if the evidence they had before wasn’t enough). It was a letter Erik wrote to his cousin 8 months before the murder detailing the abuse. As well as, one of the menudo band member has came out and said that he was SAd by Jose. When Pamela said you’re beliefs are not facts that applies to her as well it is a belief the brothers did it for money. And it’s a stupid belief. I hate that y’all’s opinions were skewed by the stupid monsters show. Lyle wasn’t aggressive but you guys came into the documentary with that perspective. His family has always said that Lyle never raised his voice and was very introverted but Ryan Murphy is disgusting and wanted to convey Lyle in a different way. This reaction really disappointed me it just seemed like you already came into the documentary with the biased opinions you had from Monsters which we told you OVER AND OVER AGAIN was inaccurate. The rolling you’re eyes when the TikTok stuff came up. Older people hate to admit it but Gen Z is the better generation when it comes to understanding things older people don’t EXPECIALLY abuse. As an abuse survivor it kinda hurt seeing you guys discredit the brothers like that because I saw my trauma through them and you can’t fake trauma like that. Even the actors who played Lyle and Erik couldn’t portray that emotion. I’m sorry but I’m gonna have to cancel my Patreon subscription. I’m just gonna leave all the evidence below and I want you to still tell me that what they were saying is not believable. There was plenty of evidence people just didn’t want to believe and it seems like you guys still don’t. - multiple family members testified that they were never allowed upstairs when Jose was in one of the brothers bedrooms, one aunt even testified to believing she saw Erik after after he had been raped, 2 cousins testified to being told by the brothers separately about their SA (Lyle told Diane & Erik told Andy), Erik wrote a letter to his cousin Andy mentioning the abuse that is now being considered since it was uncovered years after Andy passed. And the witnesses all testified to the physical abuse they suffered which was also horrible (punching a 5 yr old in the chest to name 1 incident) - there's a lot of medical records of injuries from both brothers that corroborate the physical abuse they suffered AND there's medical records showing Erik had a throat injury consistently found in oral rape victims. (And no this is not from Erik falling on a popsicle which is what monsters tried to convey. This happened when Erik was a child not a teenager like the show conveyed it. Plus Erik and Lyle were never allowed to have anything sweet because of sports so why would the parents keep popsicles in the house for their kids to enjoy. Stupid) Dentists are now trained to look for this type of injury to report to CPS. - kitty had a folder of photos that included naked photos of the brothers with their faces cut off and focusing on their genitalia....this was included in the trial (unfortunately I saw them and they were real naked pictures of the boys as children how do you explain that.) - lyle & Erik both exhibited traits consistently found in abused children (bed wetting, playing w dolls, being withdrawn, extreme anxiety, losing hair & etc) experts on child abuse & CSA went over all of this and their family history and determined their cases were severe before even being disclosed their names....then they spent collectively more than 200 hours interviewing them (multiple experts) and they all came to the conclusion that they had been severely mentally, physically, emotionally AND sexually abused. -kitty participated in the abuse. She would have Lyle lay in bed with her and touch her and kiss her. As well as giving him inspections and walking around the house naked purposefully when no one but the brothers were home. You said as well that the knife incident was unbelievable in what way exactly. If a father can penetrate his 7/8 year old child he can most certainly hold a knife up to his throat. Also I would like to say since you guys talked over it. At one point Kitty’s sister said how could you not save you’re children how could you let that happen. Joan who is Kitty’s sister has stated that she doesn’t forgive her sister and so has other family members. She said that she forgave the boys a LONG time ago and at the press conference last week she spoke and advocated for them (at 93 years old )along with other family members. Basically saying she hopes she gets to hug them before Thanksgiving and be reunited with them because she knows her time is running up. Almost all of the brother’s family advocate for the brothers and their release and they still love them dearly. Which should say something about this whole situation. I mean Erik’s daughter has a whole Instagram dedicated to her father. Stating how good of a father he has been despite being behind bars. Prisoners and Police officers advocating for their release, writing letters, saying they would allow them in their house and around their children. I mean come on. Nobody is smarter than the professionals who do this for a living and they have came out multiple times that this trauma and abuse is real but hey I guess people like Pamela just can’t fathom that boys can be abused. There is a special place in hell for people like her. I just hope maybe one day you guys can broaden you’re mind and open you’re eyes to what has happened in the world and what is still happening. Til this day I wish death on my abuser and sometimes I wish I could do it myself. He is out free in this world. But hey I guess people like Erik and Lyle, who acted on their abusers and ended it, are the real dangerous people. Like no I suggest you guys check out the BRIDGECO reaction channel and anyone who sees this comment to get a different perspective on what should happen when watching and reacting to monsters and actually listening to you’re commenters. Omg and The Spiritual Director is amazing and you will def enjoy her journey into getting to know the Menedez brothers case she is very insightful with her commentary. FREE THE MENEDEZ BROTHERS
Iriana F
2024-10-21 21:39:16 +0000 UTCPamela was the worst part of this documentary for me, not because hearing the other side isn't important, but because of how BITTER and CHILDISH she is. I don't understand how someone can like her (while hating on Leslie for completely no reason other than the tv show). I'm not sure if it was said in this documentary, but this is the same woman who argued that "men could not be raped because they lack the necessary equipment to be raped." Fuck that bitch, honestly.
elena
2024-10-21 21:22:50 +0000 UTCYes! So many of their comments were so condescending.
Sam Fernandez
2024-10-21 19:48:57 +0000 UTCThey grew up extremely wealthy. Spending money was probably the only way they knew how to cope with life. The scale of their spending seems weird to us cause most of us didn’t grow up as rich as them.
kataara
2024-10-21 19:40:58 +0000 UTCYou guys liking Pam the prosecutor was all I needed to know. Disgusting!
Sam Fernandez
2024-10-21 19:37:54 +0000 UTC“All you TikTok people, I’m armed” oh, so Pam believes she can shoot someone if she fears for her life? I don’t understand how you guys could agree with her, with a bitter woman that said “I couldn’t find a single person to say anything positive about Josè. His loss was a plus to mankind.” She agrees he should’ve been killed, she’s bitter she lost the case. The second trial was completely unfair and you guys have to agree to that, that is why the case is being reviewed again, because it was UNFAIR. Recently the family members went on a press conference pleading for their release. These men have endured enough. A childhood of abuse, and adulthood taken away (35 years). It is true we are more educated on how sexual abuse can alter the mind of a child (and anyone really). I have been SAed myself when I was a kid by a family member, the difference is it wasn’t happening my whole childhood and not by only two people that are supposed to provide me with a safe space. If I were in their place I would’ve done the same, especially with the power José had, there was no other escape. Being honest, I still want to kill my assaulter. Your takes were very insensitive, I love you guys as content creators, but I hope you educate yourselves more on childhood abuse and what it does to your brain. As a survivor it truly hurts my feelings when people don’t believe them. With as much details as they provided, it is 100% the truth. You have to have no empathy to think they’re lying. Unbelievable.
kei
2024-10-21 19:10:35 +0000 UTCI didn’t watch the last half hour I couldn’t stand it just reminding me of how my mam acts about the trials the generation gap is ridiculous
Elspeth
2024-10-21 18:56:41 +0000 UTCI massively agree with everything you said. I'm very upset at how much laughing occurred. As well as the lack of empathy, like of course they wanted to be together and were heartbroken at being separated in such a cruel way etc... not like a 'well what did you expect' kinda like a 'you're stupid' reaction.... idk weird and unsettling.
rachael
2024-10-21 18:49:52 +0000 UTCI'm going to be honest here i didn't like how much you guys laughed at this when it really did not warrant it, or making comments about Lyle wearing a toupee, he was wearing that due to his hair falling out due to stress from his situation. His hair started falling out at 14. Also saying that the brothers didn't sound believable was hard for me to listen to, how anyone could believe they lied about the abuse is just upsetting, remember you are also watching a slither of their testimony here. I also think saying stuff like 'why didn't he think this would happen' they are trauma survivors with the emotional development of children at 18 and 21. Pam Bozanich the prosecutor is one of the worst people i have ever had the misfortune to know. She said men can't be raped, the irony of her threatening the audience by saying shes armed to protect herself whilst putting two people away for doing exactly that.... she's horrible.
rachael
2024-10-21 18:46:08 +0000 UTCGlad y'all finally got around to watching the documentary. To clarify for Mikel-Claire, they're not just reopening the case next month. They're specifically determining whether a resentencing will occur or a new trial. Legal experts have said the most likely outcome is resentencing, meaning they will likely be FREED next month. Some have said even before Thanksgiving. Also, you're right, they didn't really cover the "new evidence" in this particular documentary. There's an even newer documentary just released on Hulu which I believe covers it, but basically a letter was obtained written 8 months before the murder by Eric which details the abuse they've been subjected to. It's contemporaneous corroboration for their accounts nearly a full year before any of the events occurred. I believe it's the basis for their habeas petition since it was not admitted into trial, but even more significantly, it's led to the resentencing consideration. Within less than 2 weeks, you'll likely see headlines announcing whether or not they're likely to be resentenced to time served, as it's now been 30 years, and will vacate their previous life without parole conviction. What you saw in the Netflix documentary was a summation of various theories (some credible, some not) and that's what made up the series. The fact they are likely to be released next month should speak volumes 🙏
thank u next
2024-10-21 18:20:02 +0000 UTCthat fact that some people still don’t believe them makes me feel ill, some things that aren’t mentioned in the documentary that proves that they were abused is the fact that psychiatrists mentioned how Erik and Lyle had a mental age of 8 and 10 when they were in their twenties. The pictures of them when they were younger where their dad was clearly touching them inappropriately and the fact that their dad took pictures of them bending over . Pamela Bozanich is also a HORRIBLE person, she claimed that men can’t be sexually assaulted because they lack the ‘equipment’ to be sa’d, which is far from the truth and beyond disgusting. Many behaviour and body language experts have watched their trials and pointed out the many signs of PTSD and trauma that the brothers show during them. There are many more examples that show that they are telling the truth.
ella
2024-10-21 18:14:50 +0000 UTCI agree I was very confused too and disappointed unfortunately even with real footage some people still don’t believe the brothers it makes me sick
Elspeth
2024-10-21 17:40:30 +0000 UTCI'm so confused at your reactions to this. The things you guys laugh at and find funny, like the fact that Pamela the prosecutor basically threatened people on tiktok who are simply learning about the case, about the injustice that happened to the boys and it was an injustice, considering the 2nd trial most of their evidence and witnesses were not allowed to be included, saying that she has guns and shes armed. HELLO THAT’S A THREAT. So she believes in protecting herself with guns, but it's weird that the Menendez brothers would also find protection with guns when they had endured such horrific abuse. And those pictures of them, on the courtyard, them posing with people is because both brothers are a part of a beautification project which was being monitored and shown. Why do you guys find it so strange. And it's so weird that you think their tears and their faces are strange. That’s just the way they look or am I just not getting it?? I mean more than one psychiatrists and body language experts have come out and said that they are telling the truth. Lyle’s part of his testimony seems fake but Erik’s seems real?? Like I don’t get your thought processes with that. These men had to sit in a courtroom and rehash the most traumatized part of their lives which was probably 98% of their entire existence and the way they broke down and neither of you could find the humanity to empathize with them?? That’s telling enough. The things you guys laugh at and comment on is just so concerning to me. Like are you guys THAT biased because of a Hollywood dramatized version of their lives?? How could anyone not understand why the brothers would want to be together after unfairly getting the life sentencing, they told the truth and were mocked for it, they accepted they had to be punished for their crime but considering the unjust judicial rulings of the 2nd trial, it was cruel and an overuse of power to separate them considering that they should have gotten manslaughter. I personally believe they shouldn’t have gone to prison, they needed proper therapy and that is what they should have gotten. And don’t get me started on the fact that YOU THINK THEY DESERVE TO GET LIFE IN PRISON because and I quote “BECAUSE ITS WORSE THAN THE DEATH SENTENCE” like holy crap are you two okay?? I saw you guys show more sympathy towards the actors in the Monsters series than the actual victims. You know the ones who actually lived through hell and not simply portrayed them inaccurately and distastefully. Now I can understand why the younger generation is more sympathetic and understanding towards them, the traditional mindset just runs too deep. It’s actually mind boggling and you guys truly proved exactly why I believe men and children in general are so hesitant to reveal actual trauma that they’ve been through to the older generation. It’s just disappointing to say the least.
lovelyminyoongi
2024-10-21 17:32:13 +0000 UTCAlso dissociation is a very real thing that occurs when relaying intense trauma so that's why they don't seem very emotional when talking about some details of events. in personal experience also when talking to therapists i am crying one minute and then calm the next
Elspeth
2024-10-21 16:57:51 +0000 UTCThere have been many behavioural analysis experts/professionals that have watched the trial footage and have said that everything is congruent and there is no deception when they are relaying the trauma that no actor could fake it that well. i personally very much believe the menendez brothers were abused
Elspeth
2024-10-21 16:45:53 +0000 UTC
