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But he never got his number 1, what he got was an empty meaningless shell of a position, a reality check that even with all the shit he pulled he will never be all might's equal much less surpass him.

Ryuuji Gremory

My biggest qualm about Endeavor is like, he didn't start attoning until AFTER he got his number 1 spot. He destroyed his family to beat AM, and when he gets number 1 he's suddenly ready to change. Unless I missed something that's why I'm so hesitant about Endeavors growth.

CauseBoxTurtles

Yall are being way too biased against 1B. and no Shoto isn't sick guys... come on.

DB

@Chimpman Hey, I comment on other stuff too. those just get the most attention. 😅 Also I don't really copy and paste that much anymore, I try to rephrase things, but I'll take the "nuts" comment as a compliment, so thanks. 😅

Natsuo Todoroki

Bro, are you the same guy who copy and pastes the same comment under every reaction video with endeavor fights? Dude, you're honestly nuts.

Chimpman

@MJAnime I had a life with a LOT of similarities to the Todoroki family, so I guess I'll add in my own two cents. While I DO agree that when forgiveness is seen as a form of freedom by many, I think the issue is that people often treat it as the be all end all of the healing process and moving on, when that's far from the truth. I myself never forgave my abuser and simply cut him out of my life, and I've had a better life ever since then. I think what they're getting at is more the idea of being "told" to forgive, rather than actually forgiving. Because forgiveness isn't always a choice, (I would personally posit that it hardly ever is, but that's just me). Sometimes it's something that just happens over time and never explicitly stated or chosen. Sometimes it's just not something that you're able to make yourself do. Shoto is especially notable here since from what we see, while he's made a fair amount of peace with the traits and power he "got from Endeavor," when it comes to Endeavor himself, I think it's a little different. He was already healing a fair amount before Endeavor started his "I'm trying to change" thing, and he's only giving him a chance because he's willing to, and even then, that "chance" is more of a "I'll have to see your actions." It's not really a matter of him "hating his father less." I'd say it's more like, he's ultimately accepted that he is not his father and does not have to be, as such, he's healed a lot since then. As for audiences, I WOULD posit that stories do give us this perspective a lot, but I do kinda get what you mean. I do agree with the mindset of the hope one feels that an abuser would stop and see the error of their ways. That being said, I wouldn't say I was "rooting" for him. More so I was cautiously optimistic. From my own experiences, abusers can definitely make the progress of understanding that they were wrong, and accept accountability and responsibility, HOWEVER, while I do consider it to be a step in the right direction, I definitely don't consider it something to acknowledge TOO positively. What I would acknowledge positively would be the efforts and lengths they take to clean up their act and actually learn from their past, and in my experience (both in real life and with Endeavor) this is when people are on the thinnest of ice (no spoilers though).

Natsuo Todoroki

@Katherine Caire. That's honestly a good point. While I do like to make the distinction between a person changing and forgiving someone, it IS true that the former tends to bring up the concept of the latter. So they're definitely intertwined on some level, and it's a pretty notable level too. As for later, I WOULD say that Endeavor has changed in notable ways, but when it comes to actively learning from his past and atoning, season 6 and onwards is where Endeavor starts to frustrate me, but we'll get there when we get there. 😅

Natsuo Todoroki

As someone who's also been a victim of abuse on different levels by different people, I can understand where you're coming from. But for me, forgiveness is mainly for those who have been abused not the abuser. The abused have the trauma that they hold on too for so long while the abusers are walking around not giving it a second though. Forgiveness is a form of freedom for many. That's way there's the saying that you forgive but you don't forget. We don't have to forget what was done to us but we also don't have to carry the weight of it around every single day. We don't have to carry that hate in our hearts. Somethings are truly unforgiveable, but we still have to learn to get past it and move forward without all the hate and resent, for our own sakes. It's easier said than done of course, but it's a choice. We can see from the beginning that Shoto's trauma weighed very heavy on his life/personality. He didn't smile. He was way more serious than any kid should be. But it was Midoriya who made him realize that all the things that he restricted, didn't acknowledge and didn't want to accept within himself because of his hate towards his father were all things that were apart of him, in his control, and he could choose to use them for good. When we can't get past our traumas our abusers still have all that power over us. Shoto decided to take that power from his father and use it for himself to become the person he wanted to be. That's why it comes off as him hating his father a little less, or giving his father a chance to change. Shoto doesn't really care what his father does, but it's good to see that he is trying to be different opposed to staying the same. As for some of the audience forgiving Endeavor, I feel like because in real life we don't know people's thoughts and feelings unless they express them, being able to see his gives a perspective we aren't used to. I personally was rooting for Endeavor because of the fact that he acknowledged his faults and genuinely was remorseful and wanted to change, and tried. That's something that many abused will never see from their abusers and for me personally it felt good to see that it was possible. It felt good to see an abuser hold themselves accountable. The hope is always that an abuser will stop abusing even if they never apologize, so when they stop and apologize and try to be better, that's something to positively acknowledge.

MJAnime

No, you're ok! Clearly, I got busy myself and didn't respond to your comment either 🤣 I definitely see what you're saying about how it's pushing the “he’s changed” narrative over the “forgiveness” one, but to me, they go hand in hand. If you read the comment by “Void The Rose” above, they told me they didn't understand what I meant by “so many people” telling Shoto to forgive and forget. I realized that it's not so much that a bunch of people are saying that, but more than two people are saying it a lot, and then there’s a lot of implicit messaging to Shoto, and the audience, as well. (Feel free to read my response to “Void the Rose.” It’s pretty long 😅 but I think I'm able to get a better feel for how to articulate my thoughts.) To me, “explicitly” talking about how someone’s changed is “implicitly” instructing the person to forgive them. If they don't, they're cold-hearted and won't give people second chances. Obviously, no one says that. I'm just giving you my impression of the subtext behind that statement that I've seen in this show, other media, and even real life. I mean, if someone tells you, “But he’s changed!” don't you think there's an expectation to forgive behind those words? I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, lol; I'm just trying to articulate something I've been finding a bit difficult to work through ☺️ And I love that you bring up how his boundaries are being treated! Potentially, that may have been a better angle for me to focus on 🤔 I'm sorry to hear about Endeavor frustrating you after season 6. I don't know what that's about, but that does play into my fears that he never really changed. When it gets to that part, we can have another discussion in the comment section if you want 🤣

Katherine Claire

Oh hey I never saw this response! In terms of my "not a matter of" comment, I would say that it's more like, rather than the story placing emphasis on "forgiveness" it's more that the story pushes the "he's trying to change" narrative, which I would say feels unearned. I do think overall, the concept of forgiveness IS tackled relatively well overall (minus a few things here and there), but I 100% agree that despite that, his "change" has a lot of problems that deserve to be addressed, regardless of where we stand on forgiveness. (I guess if I was to phrase this, I would say that I don't like how lenient the fanbase and story can be towards him, to put it simply at least). As for later stuff, I won't spoil anything, but I WILL say that after season 6, Endeavor REALLY starts to frustrate me on an other level. 😅 The story does TRY to place more emphasis on his change, but I don't think it works at all. As for why, I'll save that for another time. 😅 That being said, I actually do think you're onto something with the concept of being "told/pressured" to forgive, as while I do agree that Shoto isn't really being pushed to forgive Endeavor that aggressively in-universe, there IS something to be said about how Shoto's boundaries are treated and how the concept of forgiveness is treated as more of a goal to reach rather than a natural aspect of someone's life. I'll probably go into more detail some other time, but as of right now, I do kinda see what you mean there.

Natsuo Todoroki

No, it’s a super valid question ☺️ My opinion has kind of evolved since I made my post because of other comments (I appreciate people giving space to have difficult conversations, especially online). I've realized that there are not “so many people” explicitly saying forgive and forget, but there are two main people who just say it a lot, and there's a lot of implicit encouragement for both him and the audience. The first person I'll talk about is his sister. She isn't shown pressuring him a lot on screen, but it's clearly happening off-screen, as demonstrated by the fact that she finally got him to give his dad his contact info. She also pushes him to get over it so they can have normal family dinners. Now, all of this is coming from a genuinely pure place. She's desperate for a normal family and is under the false belief that if they all just sit in one room and smile at each other and don't talk about the bad stuff, then they’ll be one happy family. Unfortunately, healing wounds that deep doesn't work like that. As I said in a previous comment, I don't fault her at all for this—it's actually an extremely accurate portrayal of how a lot of people in these situations will act. Still, it's hard to see her being successful in wearing him down. There's always a balance within media between depicting how real people would act and how the show frames the situation. Shoto opening the door a bit and letting Endeavor in is shown as wholesome, but to me, it should be represented differently. In domestic violence situations, it can take the adult partner seven attempts to leave before being successful (at least in the U.S.). I have no idea what the statistics are for children separating themselves from their parents, but I'd think it's a lot more than that. The second is Endeavor himself. Endeavor’s character demonstrates development, which is great. He should fully feel the weight of regret and shame for his actions; however, his character doesn't actually do much to atone. Endeavor originally was pressuring Shoto to get back into his life for selfish reasons (before the growth), and I was so happy to see Shoto standing firm. Still, then the tactic changes from “It's your duty,” “This is the only reason you were born,” to “I've changed.” Yes, he’s verbally saying that he’s not asking for forgiveness, but the subtext is that he is. He's still pleading with Shoto to allow him into his life, but ultimately, he wants to train him. [TRIGGER WARNING FOR THIS PARAGRAPH (feel free to skip): I’ll go ahead and explain why this part (the part where Endeavor has created Shoto and tells Shoto that he’s been created to fulfill a task) is so hard for me to watch. My mother has been through awful trauma in her life, and she believed having children would fix her. She has actually explicitly told me to my face that the only reason I was born was to be a teddy bear that she could hold and cry into—essentially, she needed something small to cuddle with as a comfort to her. She would talk to me about her trauma as far back as I can remember—like those discussions are some of my earliest memories—so my responsibility/duty was to listen and be a shoulder for her to cry on. I bore the full weight of her trauma at 1/2/3/4 years old, etc. I never remember a time when she wasn't talking about her issues with me. I was meant to comfort her and tell her it'll be ok, so I know what it is like to be “made to fulfill a purpose, a task,” and I know what it feels like to be turned on if I couldn’t. I'm lucky there was no physical abuse, but the mental scars are no joke, so my heart breaks for Shoto. End of my rant 🤣 I hope that wasn't too difficult for anyone to read 🙏] I think a minor instance of Shoto being influenced to reconnect with his father comes from his mother. His mother talks about wanting to move on, and soft, peaceful, hopeful music is in the background. I believe that scene almost gave Shoto permission/encouraged him to let Endeavor back into his life. Again, I think this is an accurate portrayal of an abused woman rationalizing her thoughts about going back to her husband, but the show frames it as hopeful/inspirational. The implicit encouragement comes from people talking about how cool Endeavor is and how lucky Shoto is. Again, I don't fault anyone for this, but it tells Shoto that he’s lucky to have Endeavor over and over again. My mother was a social butterfly—always the life of the party—so I was also constantly told how lucky I was to have her. I know how that can wear you down as well. Now, regarding the audience being implicitly influenced to forgive Endeavor, I suggest reading the other comments (specifically about being able to listen to Endeavor’s thoughts) and “Natsuo Todoroki’s” comment above. I think he does a great job discussing that aspect. Of course, you're right that Shoto can make his own decisions (I also said that in my previous comments). It's not that I wouldn't make the same decisions as him, but it's the fact that I DID make those same decisions at his age and continued to do so for years. I'm just looking at him through the lens and life experience of a 30-year-old who sees all these red flags. Shoto is much stronger than I was at his age; he sets much clearer boundaries than I ever did in high school/college, but I'm just seeing the slow chipping away of his resolution. I absolutely LOVE the scenes with Deku. Despite the similarities of his powers with his father’s, Shoto should accept every part of himself; it's just all the other stuff and how the show frames all of it. Sorry, this was so long. I just have a lot of deep feelings about this portrayal. Again, people can love the character and appreciate the complexity; I just have a lot of concerns. Thanks for listening ☺️🫶🏻

Katherine Claire

I just realized from rewatching this series with Carlie and Ange that Iida is constantly put in the same team as Todoroki, like during the sports festival and when saving Bakugo at Kamino...damn S6 and S7 hits even harder now. Horikoshi is just too good >.<

angelalala

When was Shoto pressured by ''so many people'' to forgive and forget as you said? I can only think of one instance this may be the case (and i personally do not see it as that) I kind of dont get your argument in saying that all of the decisions Shoto has done were forced on him by other people. His arc is all about looking inward and looking properly at what he wants to be. Just because its not the decision you would personally make doesn't make it any less valid. Would like to read you expound more on your point tho i love reading character discussions and getting other people's pov

Void The Rose

I am surprised how so few people seem to know about the "sneezing when someone is talking or thinking about you" trope. It seems to be a wide spread thing to say when someone sneezes, as I grew up with that in my country. Except in anime someone actually is talking about them and they switch the scene to that character right as they sneeze.

Krokus

Yeah I think Monoma is annoyingly hilarious at this point in the story too.

Naqib _

Shoto isn't sick. It's a Japanese superstition that when someone somewhere else brings up your name, you will sneeze. This superstition is a repeated trope in a lot of anime, keep an eye out for it. I haven't caught up to the later seasons myself, so idk if Monoma actually changes, but I like him as he is now. He is just funny and harmless. He is basically like class 1B's Bakugo. Where Bakugo goes around yelling at people that he will kill them, Monoma goes around telling class 1A that class 1B is better. It's just a funny gag imo. Not saying you guys have to love him, but I personally enjoy the gag. Especially that one time he made fun of four 1A students needing to do extra summer lessons even though he was there with them too lmao

Naqib _

I really like what you said here and how you worded it ☺️ Clearly, I have complicated feelings about the story 🤣 but I felt like you articulated your point well. I absolutely agree that he’s taking steps in the right direction, but it just feels a bit hollow to me and doesn't give me much hope that this change is permanent (I haven't read the manga and have only seen to season 6, so I don't know what happens past that). Maybe if there was more effort, like you said, I'd feel better about the situation. I did want to ask a question, though. You said at the beginning that you didn't think this was a matter of forgiveness. What do you think this is a “matter of?” Do you think there was a better word I could've used in my previous posts that would've gotten my point across better?

Katherine Claire

While I WOULD say that this isn't a matter of forgiveness, I would also say that this brings up a good point. Especially in retrospect. The story does kinda give Endeavor a relatively easy time in terms of actually having to confront his past. And I do 100% agree with the points on the fanbase. People have been WAAAY too lenient on him overall. Like, the moment after he had that nomu fight people immediately pull the "he's trying to change" card when he hadn't even tried to atone yet. He just had a flashy fight and had a few conversations. It's steps in the right direction for sure, but I do think people have the habit of praising the absolute bare minimum when it comes to Endeavor, and it kinda spits in the face of the actual point being made here. Not to say that Endeavor is written well, since I'll have plenty to say about how he fails to atone in later seasons. For what it's worth, this season is Endeavor at his strongest, but he only somewhat surpasses the bare minimum when it comes to actually living up to his promises of "atonement."

Natsuo Todoroki

I certainly understand your perspective and agree with some of what you're saying. However, I think “forgiveness” can be complicated and mean different things to different people. For example, you said that Fuyumi wants to move on so she can have a typical family. You acknowledged that this isn't forgiveness but “shoving feelings down and coping.” I'm sure you can recognize that this isn't healthy, but beyond that, she attempts to guilt her siblings into shoving their feelings down as well in a desire to pretend things are normal. She even gets Shoto to finally give his father his contact info, which I don't think he would've done without her interference. I'm not criticizing her specifically because I think it's a realistic portrayal. She’s certainly not doing it maliciously; I'm just saying it makes me sad to watch. You're right that Natsu hasn't forgiven him; maybe it was too much for me to blanketly say “the family” has forgiven him. I didn't say this in my previous comment, but I do think it's one of the most complex portrayals of an abusive family dynamic, and I applaud the show for that. I appreciate that they don't shy away from his past behavior. I don't think my experiences have “clouded my judgment;” I'm simply expressing the lens through which I see the world. How media affects all of us and how we interpret its messaging is influenced by our experiences and it also influences how we think. Yes, it's not real life, but any art isn't consumed in a vacuum. As I said, I'm not trying to change anyone’s perspective/opinion; I'm just stating my own. I know that he didn't hurt me, but I can't help but see myself in Shoto and all the siblings. And I think it's common to see yourself in different characters. Perhaps it is the fact that we can hear Endevor's thoughts that are part of my problem. Not his thoughts specifically (because they seem very mature in recognizing the damage he’s done), but how they can lead certain parts of the fan base to see him as a sympathetic character. I see people comment (not necessarily here, but I hear this in many comment sections online) that they feel sorry for him when Shoto turns his back on him at different points or how Natsu treats him. Then they're happy when he starts to let Endeavor into his life more. It is precisely because we hear his thoughts that people say, “Come on, give him a second chance; he’s changed.” As I said, I applaud the complicated portrayal, and I think it's okay to discuss the complex feelings it can stir within us. I'm just expressing an opinion that I don't often see. I'm not saying it's not out there; I personally don't see it a lot.

Katherine Claire

Tokoyami and Shoto's conversation before the match made me visualize Eren and Reiner talking haha (since it's the same VAs), that made me feel nostalgic, I miss AOT. :'(

Nessa.

I don't think his family has forgiven him. It's made pretty blatantly clear that Fuyumi is just trying to move on so she can have a normal family. It's not really forgiving, it's shoving feelings down and coping. Shoto hasn't, he's just acknowledged the obvious change in his father and made it clear that he's not going to ignore Endeavor being a better person. Granted, he shouldn't be forced to acknowledge after the wrong that's been done to him, but he's well within his right. This also applies to Rei. Natsu just straight up hasn't forgiven him and likely never will. I don't know where you're getting this idea that people are forgiving him willy nilly. It's not real life. We can SEE the character's inner thoughts and feelings. We can literally read his mind and know that he IS trying to be a better person and change for the better. No offense, but I think you're letting your trauma about your mother cloud your judgement here. Your mother "trying" wasn't her ever actually trying on any real level. Sadly, most abusers don't change fundamentally on a level enough to become better people. This doesn't apply to Endeavor. You're letting your feelings about being let down over and over again apply to Endeavor. This is literally the first time Endeavor has made an effort to change and be better and has shown zero signs of going back (both to the viewer and to his family). I'm glad you can see that he's being better but things like this ARE forgivable on a cosmic scale, it's just not up to you. Your past dealing with abuse isn't Shoto's or his family's. It's up to them. He didn't hurt you. We're not seeing that we SHOULD forgive, but rather that we should let people who want to change and become better, do that. Endeavor also just straight up isn't looking for forgiveness so I'm not sure why you're so hellbent on that. He's made it clear throughout the ENTIRETY of the story.

Chimpman

Todoroki sneezing was just the japanese/chinese believe (or whatever you wann call it), that when you have to sneeze, someone is thinking or talking about you. Since Endeavour was talking about him, he sneezed :D

Phil

I don't know. I know Endeavor is trying to improve himself, but it's difficult to watch how easily his family and a lot of the fan base have forgiven him. Trigger Warning (I am not trying to burden anyone with my experiences or change anyone’s mind. I am simply speaking up as a victim because I don't see a lot of people criticize this aspect of the show.) As a victim of emotional abuse and neglect from my mother, Endevor’s character arc is complicated for me. For some, it may not seem like Shoto has easily forgiven him, but he has been pressured by so many people to forgive and forget because his father is “trying.” My mother always “tried” too, but that's never fixed anything. After 30 years of forgiveness and second chances, she always falls back into the same patterns. People don't always change or get better, and I think it's okay to talk about it. Shoto was/is a child. His father is a large, powerful, influential, fully grown adult man who physically and emotionally abused his wife and children. How terrifying. I mean, he is supposed to be a hero. How must that have felt to watch him protect everyone else but his family? You could come to the determination that you are not worth protecting. I'm glad he's growing, but some things are unforgivable, and I think that should be talked about more. Shoto should be allowed to decide for himself without dealing with outside pressure and guilt. In fact, he had decided to cut off his father, but other people’s opinions (and Endevor’s) finally wore him down. Again, he is still a child, and despite how strong he is, he is only ever told how incredible his father is and how he should forgive him. No one has to change their mind about Endeavor and their opinions on his growth, but I see a lot of messaging in media that implies we should forgive our abusers. I just really needed to voice a different perspective. ☺️🫶🏻

Katherine Claire

Indeed, Monoma grew on me like white on rice by the end lol. Though to be fair I found him more annoyingly hilarious than hateful in season 5 but that's just me xD I'm guessing C&A will come around to him in the later seasons. So I hope the folks who are upset at them for not liking him now will be patient, because they're very justified in disliking him at THIS stage in the story.

Meg

Thank you i love him too but i wish fans would just let them gradually grow to like him as the story progresses

leo

LMAO this is hilarious and absolutely something Natsuo would say

Jay rellim

I love how Endeavor says that he wants to "atone" and "change for the better." And then he immediately proceeds to invade Shoto's privacy and throw a fit when he's denied.

Natsuo Todoroki

You guys are in your right to hate on Monoma because you are supposed to hate him still at this stage lol, so don't worry about it xD Dude's got his layers but he hasn't peeled off enough for you to like him just yet so it's fair. He'll take a while to grow on you xDD

Meg

I hadn't re-watched MHA in a while so forgot this was a two part episode, that cliffhanger was diabolical lol.

Meg

Oh lmao, its usually done a little more comedic than that 😆 that makes the draw even worse!!

Carlie & Ange

love to see Mudman get some love! He def deserves the mvp, he kinda reminds me of Tsu in the way that theyre both so level headed and logical and its shows here with how Mudman was able to adapt immediately with Tetsutetsu just going crazy and like yall said he put class A out of balance with their opening attacks also a quick refresher since it was quickly mentioned, theres 40 students in the hero course (class A & B) 36 passed by exams and 4 got in thru recommendations, from class A those from recommendations are Shoto and Momo, and as mentioned here Mudman is another (and the last one you probably know by the next eps)

Void The Rose

Also shoto is not sick he just sneezed because endeavor was talking about him

Maya Coleman

Someone save a clip of Ange's feeling on Endeavor and bettering himself. We're gonna need to be playing that on loop for the upcoming Mushoku Tensei reactions

FTN Chicken

Shoto only sneezed because Endeavor called his name (Or so to say mentioned him). It’s a superstition in many culture (mine as well). His not sick. Not many like these episodes but even if this season isn’t that heated I like a bit of slice-of-life/ training type arc (maybe bc I grew up on One Piece and Naruto). Anyway thanks for the reaction!

Medops

Dude no biggie, all good 🤘🤘

Kenneth T

oh whoops just saw this comment, i should have refreshed before writing mine haha

Jay rellim

shoto sneezing is part of some Japanese superstition "you sneeze when someone is talking about you" aka his dad lol he's not sick :p

Jay rellim

Props to giving the MVP to the right person

Kenneth T

Also from Shoto sneezing, I believe that's a myth about of someone is thinking about you you'll sneeze. So his dad was thinking of him and that's why he sneezed lol

Kenneth T

As much as I love the other episodes, it's this one and the next I'm most excited for just for y'all. No reason specifically lol

Kenneth T


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