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Korra 4x13 REACTION! (Edited)

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Korra 4x13 REACTION! (Edited)

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If they weren’t allowed to do it, why did they do it knowing that it would compromise the show’s integrity in a way?

OKO

@Jo Once again youre wrong on every level. No interpretation needed. They are a canon couple. The comics pick up directly after the finale and continue the story. Directly from the creators. And I highly suggest you start getting ANY fact. Like, at all before you start confidently stating things and arguing next time. You would have less people laughing at and pitying you for your ignorance. And for gods sake, they are BISEXUAL. Bi people exist. Quite a lot too. Much more than 1% of the population I assure you lol. Neither of them just BAM, became lesbians. I fact pretty sure EVERY Avatar is Bi. Since they literally reincarnate from a bunch of different people. It makes perfect sense if you think about it for just a second.

TAC3000

I actually didn't know what it was until I looked it up. Honestly, it's pretty condescending of you to attack someone's character over not knowing something that requires a particular knowledge in a field that a majority of people in the world don't really care about. That's pretty messed up.

Jo

That was a lot of informative reading. That being said, I still disagree. You have to stretch a lot of the truth to get there. And I can make the same implications in any other show. Just because a character stares at someone or has a conversation about leaving their establishment to go to theirs and help them recover isn't romantically inclined. I can see how it could lead to it if there was proper conversation that led up to romance. But this never happened. They had never had any real moment where they connected as lovers...just friends who wanted to have fun or explore. It would have made more sense to do a follow up story in which the romance could have been explored, based on the interaction they had in the last episode where they made plans to go into the spirit world. Even the last scene is rushed because after that scene is a jarring cut into them walking towards the spirit portal. It's pretty obvious that they butchered whatever lead ups they had. Maybe the intention was different, but I don't care. What I care about is the finished product, as I only react to what's in front of me. And the fact of the matter is that you have to do a lot of stretching for the truth and hyper analyze very normal interactions to spin them into this complex web of "lesbian" moments. I just don't buy the propaganda. What you see is what you get and it shouldn't require analyzing of this level to understand basic human attraction lol. The show writers have been notoriously bad at it ever since TLA. I mean, what more proof do you really need? Just MakoxKorra and MakoxAsami should paint the whole picture that these writers didn't know how to write romance at all.

Jo

I guess you have to do a bit of mental gymnastics to make this couple work, I agree. But now that I don't have to do mental gymnastics to make it make sense, I now don't see them as a couple. After all, isn't it up to interpretation at this point? I prefer to think Asami found someone who would treat her right - maybe a brilliant scientist, doctor, or just some gentleman type. For Korra, I like the idea of her being alone until she settles down in her homeland again and maybe pursues marriage with some lad in the ice boonies. I really like this idea.

Jo

what the fuck would lead you down a romantic path?

Mathies

99%? bruh lmao you gravely underestimate this

Mathies

So as a lesbian who was just coming into adulthood at that time around 18 years old for the finale, and a bit younger for season 3, I have to hard disagree. And this isnt like something I do often. I dont reach and make queer where there is no queer, like a lot of other people in different fandoms. But in this era, this stuff still wasnt generally accepted on TV and you had to do a lot of 'reading between the lines'. Im reminded of a show called south of nowhere which was literally a lesbian show on the same network as Degrassi. It was a lesbian show and it still couldnt be in your face. For example, for every kiss the main romance lead had (the two women the show centered around) there would be several more male, and they werent even allowed to lay in a bed together. Everything was verbal and if you were deaf, youd probably not pick up on the lesbianism with context because there was very little in the way of that. I say it reminded me of this, because the moments were fleeting, but were *there*. No matter how many people call it a reach thing, if you were in a queer persons shoes, and observed this from their POV where certain things happened in the show that were staring to hint at it. Season 3 dropped a lot of hints, but hints you probably glossed over as you wouldnt recognize them without living in the POV of someone who actively had been trained to pick up on the tidbits, because TV would never allow it. If Asami was swapped with a male in some of these moments, most viewers might have caught the little hints. Season 3 Ep 1 begins off with korra and asami interacting, and as a writing major, that alone is a bit significant but still not in *that* way. This goes into playful teasing and bashful smiling while joking with one another and saying theyve never had a 'girlfriend' like this before. Still could read a bit platonic, but let's move on. Season 3 Ep 2 With Korra leaving, let's keep in mind that Asami has huge obligations (such as running a major company) in the city. Despite that, she's tagging along anyway. Mako goes too, but he's dragged along by his brother -- Asami shows no resistance whatsoever and never objects. The two also share a laugh tormenting Mako later in the episode. Season 3 EP 3 In this episode, it's mostly Korra and Asami for a while. This is a recurring theme later in this season, and this is their first major team-up. This is part of the foundation of their building relationship throughout late season 3 and early season 4. In this episode, Korra takes Asami, and only Asami, to do a mission for the earth queen. It's clear here that Korra is able to vibe and talk to Asami in more open and less rash ways. Still, I could see this being read as friendship. S3E9: The group splits up again, leaving Korra with Asami. This is for a fight and not necessarily to further any relationships, but it does lead to the two bonding after this point (intentional or not). This episode basically ends with Asami carrying a helpless Korra away from their enemies. They pair the two up frequently in this season, such as: S3E10: This episode is all about Korra and Asami after being captured. Asami formulates a plan to help them escape and Korra follows it. They crash in the desert and work through two different plans to escape, ending up with a plan that utilizes both of their talents. When they finally get back to the city, Korra attributes their escape from the desert to Asami. A few moments in this finally had me raise my eyebrows, the shared looks on the sand glider were definitely framed in a certain light. S3E11: Asami watches over Korra while she meditates. Asami immediately offers to do so when Korra suggests her idea. A VERY clear callback to the way Katara used to watch over Aang. This is when It started to click with me and others. Around this time, fanfic for them starting to spring up more frequently and posts of people wondering if they were being queer baited as much as I loathe the term. People started to notice. S3 Ep 12, A little thing. When The group hug happened, Korra deliberately leans into Asami as the two boys hug her side after she hugs Asami. S3E13: This was a huge episode. For me this is the very first episode that actually had me genuinely following clues, and it's not even until the ending. Korra goes through a lot of physical, mental, and emotional trauma in this episode, and the main person to help through it is Asami. At the end, as the poison is being pulled out of her, Asami is in the foreground, with both hands clutched over her chest. Framing matters a lot in television and especially animation. That shot was very intentional. Afterward, Asami is the person tending to her before the ceremony. They have a moment where they hold hands and Asami tells her that she's there for Korra, in whatever capacity she needs. After this point, she ends up being the primary caregiver to Korra. She takes her to the ceremony, and she bails Korra out of an unwelcome conversation with Raiko by saying they need to get inside. S4E2: This episode is important, since Asami is offering to uproot her entire life and go to the South Pole to live with and take care of Korra. As above, she has a big important job to do in the city; she even lands a huge contract that she would've missed out on otherwise. Asami's letter (in which Asami states she misses Korra and the city isn't the same without her) is the first one Korra reads, and the ONLY one she replies to, and is the only person she's willing to share all of her thoughts and feelings with. Despite being around her parents and her first master, she reaches out to Asami to express her feelings. This is a huge thing for Korra and something she was never even willing to do with Mako. S4E7: After a long break, Korra is reunited with her friends in RC. The first person she meets is Asami, who's waiting up front to greet her, while Mako is a the table. The two share a long hug and even compliment each other, while Korra BLUSHES and calls Asami "snazzy." Like some awkward little shits. At the table Mako even asks "What's going on with you two?" The first in your FACE implication the show delivered. One I was surprised more did not pick up on. Once they reveal they've secretly kept in touch and once things get going, Mako conflicts with both Korra and Asami by second-guessing all their decisions (about what roads to take, and jumping from the car, and whether to trust Korra's Avatar instinct), but Korra and Asami don't do this. If you watch all the action scenes throughout this episode, Korra always stops and assists Asami but not Mako, like when she helps her onto the train. And during the last hug she leans way more into Asami than Mako again. A second time. The little caring tidbits of Korra deliberately helping Asami at every turn here got lost to a lot of people. I genuinely hate pulling this card, but if this were a man and woman, I feel a lot of people would have been noticing by now. S4E8: A lot of people skip or ignore this episode, but it's actually a very strong one for Korra/Asami interaction. First of all it's interesting that that Asami is even on Air Temple Island with Korra, considering her mansion is filled with people. She brings Korra tea umprompted with a flimsy excuse, most likely just to have a chance to talk to her. Like yeah sure Asami, the girl from the south pole is cold on an average RC night lol. Korra's entire narrative here is about doubting her decisions in the past and thinking that she isn't doing the right thing. Asami shoots down every one of her objections, telling her she's amazing and has done a lot to improve the world. People have also pointed out that they carefully paralleled the final hand-hold four times throughout the last two seasons, three of those being in the last season and one being RIGHT before Korra and Asami do it. All of these moments come with a verbal expression of love from the characters involved, except that Korra and Asami don't seem to need to say it. The writers carefully planned this out over a series of years, and the stances and visuals are all identical. There's no reason they'd establish this shot three times as a romantic moment, only to use it for Korra and Asami as the very last thing we see in Korra, They did absolutely everything they could to hint and show people. They were working within extreme restraints from the network, but this was not a last minute change. This happened with the planning of season 3 and it shows. There was a slow build up, hints, and moments. Others from the network have also gone on record saying this was brought to them with season 3 plans. Just because you didnt notice it, doesnt mean it wasnt there. Korrasami was in a very awkward time of television. Where these things *could* happen but in very subtle, almost non existent ways. Especially on networks like NICK. It was treading dangerous water. The drops were there, but as people are used to being able to see the far more blatant male and female love drops, the subtleties got lost on them. If korra aired today I have NO doubt that it would be allowed to be much more brazen. But this was a weird time. It existed though. The drops were there. Crumbs we all were called crazy for noticing. And we were right. Though ill admit, I didnt think they would follow through.

Allison Cornell

@stedu 🤣🤣 He said whats a saphic couple!! 99%!!! 🤣 … Oh you sweet summer child. Its must be so nice in thatb little bubble of yours.

TAC3000

@Jo If you have to use mental gymnastics to try and make people believe something thats objectively and factually false just to make your own biphobia seem ok, your just making yourself seem like an Incel A-hole. Just live and let live.

TAC3000

I'm not ignoring it but that doesn't excuse bad writing. Like I already mentioned, you either go through with it all the way or you don't. If it was going to be so problematic, why risk the integrity of the show over something so asinine anyway? Sorry to say this and I mean no disrespect but... you're making my point for me with that one. Also, lol people don't just fall in love long distance. This is only something juveniles believe. Maybe people who don't know what love is and think they love a person they don't really know lol. Well actually, I think you've given me a bit of hope there. I never actually interpreted it as them being just friends. Not in my mind, at least. I think from now on I will think of them not as a couple, but as friends who decided to go on a spirit world trip. Thanks dude, that actually gives me relief about all the nonsense I've heard from shippers. This makes way more sense and feels more canon to the story. I like the idea of Korra alone.

Jo

I just found out and figured u and all here might want to know that Ming the guard that was kind to iroh in the original series when he was imprisoned in the fire nation is voice by Serena Williams 🤯

Abdur-Rahmaan Brooks

you’re once again ignoring things to make a point. they were NOT ALLOWED TO DEVELOP THEIR RELATIONSHIP MORE THAN THEY HAD. they did their absolute best with what they were allowed to do. everything HAD to be able to be interpreted as “just friends” as well to slip it past the censors. and you do know that like… historically, people wrote love letters to each other? it’s a thing. people most definitely are capable of falling in love through letters. we are LITERALLY in the age of long distance/internet relationships. seems like you’re just looking for stuff to get mad at and criticize.

wren

Interesting that you believe 3 years of writing letters leads to falling in love. I don't think this is true. Anyone that writes letters and falls in love with a person as a result isn't experiencing love at all, but a passing emotion. There had to be more, otherwise it just seems like a fad that they're trying that will end up not working at all. Idk I still think it didn't have any real impetus behind it and the depth of these two girls' relationship is as shallow as a kiddie swimming pool.

Jo

How does any of that lead to romance? Lol that's a big time reach. Again... if I did any of those things for any of my friends, I wouldn't just suddenly turn the other side. These are like things normal people do... not actions that would lead anyone down a romantic path. Very weak. If they were going to go down that road, they should have gone all in or just not go down that path at all. The pairing has a stigma because of how badly written it is. Be better? I'm just saying the writing for it sucked. I don't know what you're talking about with queer fans or anything like that. I didn't bring anything up about the community. I'm criticizing the writing and saying these supposed "hints" are just every day normal activities. Sound more like you're trying to turn it into something else, in which I would say that maybe you should take your own advice.

Jo

really fucking gross to see a take like this on Carlie & Ange's page. Instead of talking about how you feel about the writing, which would be fine, you're making up a statistic that has no scientific bearing AT BEST, and is homophobic at worse. Especially by implying that queer relationships are somehow less kid friendly than heterosexual ones. If you don't think things need representation than fine, we can just go ahead and ignore the thousands of kid's who have literally said THAT scene made them feel scene and comfortable in their skin. But there is literally NO answer that isn't bigoted you can give me or anyone on why its somehow okay to censor queer relationships as if they're somehow inappropriate for children to see. I am NOT gonna ignore that and let other queer fans of these amazing reactors feel like this is how the vibes are. Be better, bro.

Ghoullie

you’re ignoring a lot of scenes to make a point. asami being the one helping korra after she was paralyzed. korra wanting to impress asami by messing with mako in one of the earlier episodes in s3. them just generally spending more time together in s3. also, they wrote letters for 3 years lol. that’s not a short amount of time, plenty of time to fall in love. and did you know that bisexual people exist? people who like both men and women, aka korra and asami

wren

if you think 99% of the population is heterosexual, you’re in for a rude awakening

wren

Very weak hints. Not even hints, really. So anyone I send a letter to is now a love interest? Lol no way. The fact of the matter is they both liked men and dated men. This ending is extremely flimsy and out of left field. Majority of people that watch this show are left with their heads scratching, even the most astute of watchers.

Jo

what the hell is a sapphic couple? Not everything needs a representation, especially in kid's cartoon. Nothing wrong with sticking to heterosexual relationship when that's like 99% of the population.

stedeu

I remember first watching your ATLA reactions week by week…. Thanks for the amazing journey you two

Vanessa Campbell

THIS! Season 1 we get multiple kisses from the hetero couples but they had to fight so hard to get literally this much representation to make it clear what the endgame was. Most other US animated show sapphic couples can run because Korrasami basically crawled here

fr0st

they were literally not allowed to do it. they were forced to convey their relationship through subtext. in my opinion and many, many others, there are in fact many hints in both season 3 and 4 that are noticeable. but hey, like you said, it’s an opinion.

wren

Just want to post that there's literally no hints to the ending pair. Came out of left field and I watched this more times than most. I'm pretty firm on this opinion. Sending one or two letters + casually talking to someone doesn't just form a romantic pairing. It forms a friendship at best or at least mutual understanding. Korra had the best chemistry with Mako throughout the series, but the writers made that impossible. The Avatar series in general suffers from really poor romance writing. I'm hoping the new series has some new writers that can do character romances well, at least.

Jo

It’s soo important to make people aware of just how groundbreaking this was at the time

Sacha

Carlie was right saying if you rewatch S3 and 4 with new lenses you will see the hints. If im remembering correctly, the creators and writers wanted to do more with Korasami starting in S3 but weren't allowed. A lot of people are forgetting that Korasami was groundbreaking for queer rep at the time. Despite how wholesome it was, they werent allowed to be more explicit than they were in S4. It was part of the reason the entirety of S4 wasnt even aired on TV at all. I think people forget that. A leading main character having on screen queer rep had really nothing comparable to Korasami up to that point. Not in anything so mainstream, and def not in Animation. It really knocked down walls and kicked off a wonderful wave of representation going forward. I dont think we would have had anything close to Vi and Caitlyn or shows like She-ra today without it.

TAC3000

They literally announced the next avatar yesterday lmao. But in the meantime when the new movies come out I'd love for yal to return to this universe

Degenerick

So happy that I got to follow you on this Journey, it was super fun quick question: will you react to the new GOT series coming out this year!!

Warsame Yassin

Crazy how you guys finished this the week the sequel to Korra was announced! Ill put the synopsis here incase you missed it: Avatar: Seven Havens is set in a world shattered by a devastating cataclysm. A young Earthbender discovers she's the new Avatar after Korra- but in this dangerous era, that title marks her as humanity's destroyer, not its savior. Hunted by both human and spirit enemies, she and her long-lost twin must uncover their mysterious origins and save the Seven Havens before civilization's last strongholds collapse. 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

Daniel Molina


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