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Episode 9 also coming tomorrow. Episode 8 was a whole ass horror film


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Comparing Hama's storyline to one of rape-revenge is WILD. She's a one-off character who's purpose in the show was to introduce blood bending. ATLA was set in a time of WAR and literally almost every other side character we've met had a tragic fire nation backstory. Her character/story was kinda similar to Jet's, yet I didn't see no rant about him and comparing him to RR. This is just a crazy take IMO lmao

MeL

I've never noticed the cabbage xD

Ninjahaz 01

Interesting, I personally find Hama's characterization compelling. The Fire Nation made her that way. She sees every fire nation citizen as an enemy regardless if they're in the military or not. She was a civilian and was still treated that way. That's why she's not specifically targeting military. She lived in that town like a normal person because she is a psychopath like the ones in the real world. They look and act normal. And no, I don't think it is better if she was redeemed. Not every bad person NEEDS to be redeemed. That makes it even more cartoonish if they did that.

Bill0g

honestly i wouldnt even call it a kids show, maybe targeted towards kids but at the same time so much will go over a childs head watching this. People are allowed to have opinions, but they should be realistic as in not expecting crazy adult shit with hama.

Beatmameat24

Are you imagining that I was writing this with angry tears in my eyes or something? I just like doing media analysis brother. And yeah Avatar is a kids show but one of the reasons why it’s such a good show in general is the thematic depth and gravity of the overarching anti-imperial narrative. Also, I gotta say, your comment is such a cliche. “You care about something! You must be soooo upset lol.” 🤣 How boring, what a tedious thing to add to the conversation. Are you upset because I criticized an episode of a show you liked? Because that’s usually the genesis for silly comments like these. “Don’t criticize this thing, it’s actually nothing, you’re upset over nothing. Not me though, I’m just commenting this because I’m so aloof.” See, now that’s funny to me.

Graham

Man what are you so upset about it isn’t that deep at all it’s a kids show made for 11 year old fucking relax😂 jesus never seen someone get so worked up over literally nothing

yayoink dab

why the hell would I watch two audios. that would sound like shit. If you're going to make us sync up an episode DON"T INCLUDE THE AUIDO. the fuck. this isn't hard. literally hundreds of reaction channels know how to do this, and they pick one or the other, and don't force you into both lmao this is fucking stupid. there's an equation that works. why fuck it up with this retarded bullshit. I'm not syncing up two of the same audio to sound like some fucking tin can echo. ffs. this is absolutely fucking retarded. lmao either illegally stream it, or set it up to be synced up. why include illegal levels of copywrite if you're going to make us go through all the work of a normal watch along. ffs

Jonah Bertorelli

I agree, but at the end of the day she's a one-episode character in a kids show, so I didn't pay it too much mind. ATLA doesn't really miss much, but it does here slightly.

Kevin T

I agree with the above sentiment. Though I think most people would conclude that Hama is an understandable and tragic character, with several shades of gray. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't firmly believe a character like Hama would be irredeemable. You're saying the writing leads the viewer towards thinking she is a villain, but I think we can all agree that most villains do not exist without what came before, which is almost always a traumatic past. Traumatized individuals do not have a linear method in how they develop as human beings, meaning that this is a real and plausible outcome of her trauma. Just because her more human side is not abundantly explored, doesn't mean it isn't there. The writers only have so much time to spend on each episode and each character, not to mention each episode isn't always contributing to the overarching narrative, meaning characters will sometimes only exist for that episode. A flaw of the era this kind of show was released in really.

Gabriel Barott

ur expecting too much from a kids show at the time it aired on nick. Shes a one off character and theres no need to make her story any longer. She is def cartoonishly evil but only slightly with some of her dumb lines like "dont let your friends hurt each other katara". Hama's story and other lines like "we need to fight these people whenever we can" as she has deluded herself into thinking that these innocent people are all on the same level as the soldiers that ruined her life. I think her being back in fire nation custody is tragically ironic for her as she didnt deserve to be kidnapped to begin with but ended up being just as vile as the men that took her earning her the punishment of truly being left to rot in a cage. I think you might be too upset over something silly, it really isnt that deep and the episode did what it needed to do. Doesnt need to be super sad and tragic with hyper realistic actions from hama.

Gabriel

Hama's revenge can make some sense. She can see the fire nation citizens as being complicit in their complacency over injustice, or outright support for the military and leaders. But yeah, it would make more sense if she mainly or solely targeted the Fire Nation soldiers, especially Navy and jailers. But it also makes some sense that being part of the Fire Nation and condoning their actions or turning a blind eye on them, makes them partially guilty. If she had given them a fair assessment and trial to allow them to prove their morality though, that would be ideal.

JN

Yes, it’s essentially a kiddified collection of rape-revenge film tropes. In all the worst ways, including the villain have a genuine grievance but being so broken and monstrous that their revenge is “just as bad” as what was done to them. Hama’s revenge doesn’t make sense emotionally or logically, but the senselessness of it is necessary from a narrative standpoint to condemn her to prison again at the end. And I hate it, or at least I hate that aspect of the episode, it’s still a very strong showing for Katara’s character growth in both willpower and bending mastery. And I do appreciate that. But I wish it had also shown her flexing her well developed emotional intelligence and empathy muscles to understand and redeem Hama. Ideally a better written version of Hama that had just been going after Fire Navy soldiers or something.

Graham

As much as I like how seriously the episode takes Katara’s growth and strength of will, all the writing around Hama’s character is so frustrating to me and I can’t stand the ending of her just going away for the rest of her life. I think it was was a huge missed opportunity to do something more interesting.

Graham

Long rant incoming on like, the one thing I think the Avatar writers fucked up. Episode 8 has never sat right with me from a writing standpoint. It’s a great episode for Katara, but I feel like the depiction and handling of Hama’s character could’ve been done so much better. It’s also really fucked up she ends back up in Fire Nation custody. If they had written a more nuanced portrayal of PTSD and violent revenge as a coping mechanism, I think Hama would’ve come off as tragic instead of just cartoonishly evil. As written, she’s legitimately crazy, to the point she deludes herself into thinking that kidnapping innocents is justified revenge, but at the same time is sane enough to live among “the enemy” for decades. And during all those years, being in community with obviously normal people, she doesn’t somehow develop enough empathy for them that “Old Man Ding” isn’t still an acceptable target. That shit is not believable. Bloodbending is bad enough on its own, sufficiently positions her as a clear villain, that they didn’t need the added element of her torturing innocents which makes her completely irredeemable. Why not have her kidnapping Fire Navy soldiers on leave or something? You know, wage an actual one woman guerrilla war on the Fire Navy from inside? That’s so much more interesting than just an evil witch who went crazy becase she was in prison so long. I mean look, this episode is essentially a child-safe version of a Rape-Revenge film, right down to thematic content and even some shot composition and editing choices. That sounds weird, but Avatar was written by adults, specifically movie and tv nerds, and I think when they made the decision to write a story about a woman who was kidnapped from her home, imprisoned, and tortured for years they took some thematic inspiration from other notable examples of similar narratives. In that context, they follow the tropes pretty closely right down to Hama becoming a monster and unapologetically violating others out of a misguided sense of wounded rage. And like, it just doesn’t sit right with me, I think it’s lazy writing. I think they should’ve aspired to do better by her character. Sometimes victims of horrible things go on to perpetrate similar violations on others, sometimes. Hama’s villainy being so purposefully and senselessly cartoonish just so she can be imprisoned again at the end of it all, completely sidestepping any potentially complex or interesting morality, just fucking sucks. Plus there’s a secret society of powerful and interesting old people with complex pasts like- right over there, just out of frame, and far as I can tell it’s a total sausage fest. I would’ve vastly preferred to see Hama redeemed and on team WL than a tired parade of kiddified RR tropes played almost entirely straight. If anyone managed to get this far I’d be very interested in hearing conflicting opinions, or corroborating ones.

Graham

tbh I could totally imagine some fish-werewolf-waterbending hybrid in Avatar haha

Martina

Episode 10 onwards is pure peak Avatar, can't wait!

Sebastian Bastype

I love when Carlie is being super insightful and attentive, picking up exactly the hints that the show is throwing out and then Ange just cuts in with "She's a werewolf!"

Jordan Henry

She would be absolutely justified to go after fire nation soldiers for what they did to her, her problem was that she took that out on innocent civilians.

LookingForOwls

Redirection is much more of a waterbending thing than airbending. Airbending prefers to avoid the enemy, not redirect their attacks back at them.

LookingForOwls

now remember guys. Firelord Oozai is voiced by Mark Hamill AKA: Luke Skywalker and the most iconic Joker of all time in the 90's and Arkham Asylum videogames.

Nate Terry

I wish I didn’t either

Carlie & Ange

Yeahh I remember how inconsistent the TV premiers were lol!

Dani

Did anyone else here in the US watch episodes 6-9 on youtube early before they premiered on TV? I remember vividly checking youtube one day and the full episodes that were not out yet were uploaded by someone internationally. I felt like i was cheating the system that I knew more than all my friends 💀 i actually watched the rest of the book minus the finale this way since the TV premieres were really inconsistent 😅

Daniel Molina

I honestly don't even need more. What's important is their reaction, the show I've watched 30 times 🤣, what they show of the episode is enough for me without needing to sync up. In all case, they warn of this in the tier description before you subscribe, so you really can't complain about it.

KaijinGarou

Loved episode 8, always been amazed by the sheer power of boodblending, katara just figuring out bloodbending in a pich and outclassing someone who trained their wholelife was so insane.

Matthias

@ Episode 8 I looked it up, and apparently this episode aired on 2007 November 9, so just a bit after Halloween. I read some speculation/theories that the bloodbending was a metaphor/allegory for someone forcing themselves or their will on another, and how disgustingly violating that feels. Especially by someone you trusted or wanted to befriend and trust. But then in the end they break that trust and force themselves or their will on you. Very dark episode. The horrific story was supported nicely by Hama's tragic backstory. She was in that prison for DECADES which is insane. A prisoner of war for several decades, truly alone in enemy territory, surrounded by enemies. If it were another type of story, she may be the protagonist seeking vengeance upon a rotten nation and system. She's definitely a tragic casualty of war.

JN

@ Episode 7 The way you explained what was happening is how they came up with term "con man", or "confidence man." They give you false confidence and then cheat you after enticing you with a bait and trap. Swindler, hustler.

JN

Yeah this episode made me really uncomfortable when I was a kid 😭 And it still does

Yuxune

Yeah they do throw a whole bunch of standalone episodes at the start of every book but I think this book is where it's justified the most since they're stuck waiting for the solar eclipse anyway. They needn't get to the Northern Water Tribe or find an Earthbending master so it doesn't really matter what they do, so it's a great opportunity to explore the Fire Nation and different themes until the day of the black sun.

KaijinGarou

We’re loving the fresh ideas they continually bring to bending in this show. It never seems gimmicky or out of place too

Carlie & Ange

The Hama roast though 🤣

KaijinGarou

Assassin* but yes.

Antique-Item

You can still hear/see most of it and the subtitles help. A lot of people don’t even give you that much. Stop complaining

Chelly

The early release was certainly a sweet surprise

Xan

Carlie's grown so protective of the moon. Maybe even more than Sokka 🤣

KaijinGarou

About your theory on combustion man: Remember that Zuko hired this guy in secret, a direct contract from him. It implies that this guy is not a soldier or asset of the fire nation military, but more of a private bounty hunter.

LookingForOwls

full length reactions do not also mean that you get to see and hear the show clearly. have some level of understanding that they want to avoid copywrite issues.

Gabriel Barott

Told you the own characters in this show are far worse with the blind topic than you'll ever be 🤣. Ep 7 is hilarious but has some pretty deep moments too.

KaijinGarou

Ange: She’s a werewolf! *Carlie proceeds to give logical waterbender explanation for who she is* Ange: She’s a waterbending werewolf! 😂

Danny C

Episode 8 was definitely a dark episode. Bloodbending adds another mature layer to this show. It's one of those things you would not expect from a show that's target audience is kids. I feel for Katara at the end, because you can imagine that kind of power being very dangerous, as we have seen examples of in this episode.

Gabriel Barott

You've got to sync up with your own copy (Netflix, DVD, etc.)

Angel Zane

I remember the first time I watched the bloodbending ep when I was younger and it gave me the eby jeebies for sure.

Zeli

Why is the audio so quiet!? I subbed for nothing! :/

Jonah Bertorelli

Passwords are fixed. Sorry about the typos!

Carlie & Ange

I think Hama was right

JAMES D'ALESSANDRO

YO I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE GRAN GRAN CABBAGE

Gabriel Barott

'This came out on Halloween' lol very close! it was 9 days after, but def still spooky szn in America

DalyDose

Thank you

Rachael Mulondo

Replace SR with FL and it should work 👍

Emily M

You guys always come in clutch with the release timings for Lunch/Dinner.

JN

And this is just my opinion after I watched this episode the second time I am staying true to my opinion that the puppetmaster episode is the darkest episode in the whole avatar series imo

Maya Coleman

Y'all's yelling in episode 8 scared me and also I still have no power in my house and it is very frustrating and it has been a frustrating couple of days but you guys really cheered me up thank you carlie and ange and I hope you read this message 😊 😂

Maya Coleman

i love the fight between katara and hama. katara directly blocks one of hama's attacks in a way that would be more appropriate for an earthbender. when aang and sokka are attacking her, at one point she uses circular movements and redirection that are more typical of airbending. even without using bloodbending, she was clearly winning the fight until hama threatened aang and sokka directly, in part because of the things she learned from her friends

Arca

Password isn’t working

Antique-Item

Change the last two characters to FL

P'n'x

The katara bashing was disrespectful in episode 7 you could at least gave her more credit lol 😂

Maya Coleman

So click the link that says 3x7 Reaction then type the password in. The password is ATLA3x7FL. The SR part of the password was a typo. Do the same for 3x8 Reaction.

Kaycee

actual passwords are ATLA3x7FL and ATLA3x8FL

Arca

tyty

Lofi Tech

I'm not sure if its just me but the password isn't working

Rachael Mulondo

Sorry how does this thing work? Where should i put the password?

Dennys Cordova

What's SR?

PackerMan

I think they meant to put FL in place of SR. I tried it and it worked lol

Kaycee

Yeah it’s FL lol

Chelly

I concur <3

Zavooloo

change SR to FL i think they typod lol

Anya Smith

Finally out!! But i think the passwords are not working

Ameer Sabri


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