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I know this is an old reaction but I just wanted to say... I agree with all points about the Hero's Sword but I also think it's an interesting discussion of worldbuilding too. The fact that Himmel *did* successfully help defeat The Demon King despite the sword not pulling out... has some interesting implications if you look deeper than the character-storytelling they are doing. From a world-building perspective the "Legend" of the sword is that it will be pulled by the Hero meant to stop "the great calamity that will end the world". Which raises an interesting idea... The Demon King was never destined to be a world-level threat. As if fate/destiny knew that a "lesser" group of heroes would be able to handle The Demon King and that the "Real" world ending threat is still in the indeterminate future. Just an interesting little point of worldbuilding that I like to think about - even if it will realistically never show up in the anime.
Undeath Ghost
2025-01-25 00:49:32 +0000 UTCI think the reason Flamme said to Frieren not to leave her name in history before killing the deamon king it’s because if she was well known before becoming strong enough, demon kind could learn not to underestimate her. So by living in obscurity, she fulled them not only by concealing her mana, but by being unknown.
Dimas Junior
2024-04-15 23:35:41 +0000 UTCMan even with the higher tiers your content is still in YouTube edited format not worth the sub. No hate still love the channel. Will be unsubscribing from patreon
thorbaccha
2024-03-03 21:49:22 +0000 UTCI wouldn't call a simple typo or mistaken word choice a screw up and I wasn't trying to call your opinions or observations wrong. I just wanted to offer some of my own thoughts in addition to your own
Alex
2024-02-29 00:22:15 +0000 UTCFern was raised by Heiter. Although Heiter was a priest, he likely had knowledge about mana usage and mage magic. He might have figured out during their 10 year journey that Frieren was suppressing her mana, and he passed the idea to Fern. You see, he's too old to travel through the woods regularly with little Fern for the daily necessities.
Li Hong
2024-02-24 03:51:03 +0000 UTCYou guys are seriously like a breath of fresh air as reactors, and part of why I was excited for you guys to do Frieren is because I had a feeling you guys would be able to pick up on most of the messages that the show is trying to convey. Especially with episode 12, you guys ultimately ended up picking up on what the show was trying to convey when it came to the sword in the stone since most reactors start freaking out and thinking Stark is going to be the one to pull out the sword, and you guys thought he would try for a second, but as soon as you saw his flashback of his brother's face, you guys dropped it and ultimately, at the end of the episode, you guys knew that the message was that being a Hero is more than doing something like pulling a sword from a stone, and actually seeing those reactors getting excited about the possibility of Stark pulling the sword just proves about what they said that history will only remember the "big moments" when, especially in Frieren's eyes, that's not what ultimately defines you as a hero. I could do a whole TED talk about Himmel defining what it is a to be True Hero (hence the meme that Himmel is HIMmel) but I tried to keep it short and hopefully it makes sense but bottom line is that, you guys are great reactors since you guys seem to truly appreciate shows that I know and love, so thank you for that!
pseudo93
2024-02-23 17:32:17 +0000 UTCWell no, thats anither thing, he saw she was hiding it, when aura couldnt detect it. And for frieren, why would she hide it more at the time when het mana didnt change in 80 years after the adventure
baja
2024-02-23 16:43:42 +0000 UTCNo need to apologize! I didn’t think you were implying that. It was a nice discussion as evidenced by both of us repeating/rephrasing points for clarity. I’m always paranoid my tone may be misinterpreted so I’m probably too wordy, thorough, and repetitive in my writing sometimes haha. Also thanks for the kind words!
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-23 16:29:53 +0000 UTCSorry, didn't mean to imply you didn't get my point the first time. Thank you so much for your comments, they've been very insightful.
MelanieRS
2024-02-23 15:50:47 +0000 UTCI understood your points and feelings after reading your response to my first comment :). Basically I was focused on expressing my thoughts on why I wouldn’t categorize Flamme’s/Frieren’s description of demons as evil while you clarified that wasn’t relevant to your main point , that adopting an absolute attitude based off of generalized statements about all of a race/people isn’t ideal as there’s no guarantee that all fall under that generalization. I agreed with your point, that everything/everyone should be looked at on a case by case basis, but I do think Frieren’s ruthless attitude is smart for at least survival. It is interesting that as seemingly ruthless as Frieren is depicted to be, she kind of confirms in her own way that Aura does indeed fall under her assumption by talking to her before almost being relieved she can “kill you [Aura] without mercy.” And c’mon, everyone knows kicking (man-eating) kittens is cool… :p. Haha kidding of course, and while I haven’t seen Dorohedoro, I know what you mean as shows like AOT or Overlord come to mind where ‘there are no good guys’ or the protagonist we’re following definitely isn’t a ‘good guy.’
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-23 13:23:11 +0000 UTC@ Episode 12 Because of you Ange, I went down a mini rabbit hole of rewatching old DBZ clips. Thanks for that. Also, I'm surprised that was the reference you two came up with and not King Arthur's Sword in the Stone. I guess y'all weren't exposed to that story before? EDIT: Lol, thank you Carlie. Someone else knows.
JN
2024-02-23 13:19:37 +0000 UTCYou aren't considering that Heiter may not have been that good at reading one's mana. Or Frieren was hiding her mana more at the time.
JN
2024-02-23 13:14:31 +0000 UTCWhat is the first link supposed to be?
Simon
2024-02-23 10:08:16 +0000 UTCAh, I think the sample size (if we can use scientific method jargon) is too small to say if the behavior of these demons are solid proof for the whole of their kind [which is my whole issue]] - this in terms of them being individualists or anything else for that matter. I am also not sure if i can agree about the deceit, since the whole thing is about Lugne and them coming into the city with the guise of offering peace, and then Lugne has the whole lying about his "father" thing so at least these guys are shown in the episode to be deceitful as well. Unrelated but also a thing I wanted to comment on was the idea of this being a "refreshing" depiction of demons. I don't think it's wrong to think that way, but I do want to make a parallel that might explain how I feel about that... It's like if an anime had a protagonist that kicked kittens and was saying "kicking kittens is cool" and I made the suggestion that I don't agree with that, and the response was, but it's a refreshing take.. Yes, we having seen that take often, because it's not a great position to take or a great message to give to people, but it is true that it is refreshing lol.... I will ALSO say that I'm not averse to morally dubious plots in general. I love Dorohedoro and in that anime, there are no good guys, everyone does some messed up stuff and act as if they are doing good stuff... I just felt like the show was basically saying Frieren believes these things therefore you should too... and most reactors do (including Carlie and Ange here) but I just really don't I'm more in the camp of We have no enemies!
MelanieRS
2024-02-23 08:54:32 +0000 UTCRegardless if all demons are as Flamme speculates, I do think it is smart to at least question what she says. Ironically, the thing she says about demons I question the least, which is normally a trait associated with humans (or non-monsters), is that demons are "individualists." It's actually very intriguing if we look at the behavior and actions of Lugner, Linie, and Draht. Despite Lugner appearing to take the lead of that trio, they are all executioners of Aura and I think it's safe to assume they are relatively close in terms of power. Flamme mentions how an organization needs order so it can function and that in the case of demons that hierarchy is determined by might/mana. So while it makes sense they are working toward a common goal under Aura (who is obviously stronger than them), it also makes sense that within the trio - where there is no clear order - we see a difference in approach and a lack of cohesiveness. Draht goes off to kill Frieren on his own without even telling Lugner, while Linie is clearly the most submissive and least proactive of the three, not even telling Lugner that Draht told her he was going off to "eliminate a threat" until Lugner happened to mention how Draht isn't with them. There are clear differences in (personality?) that have nothing to do with the hierarchy, as they are equals there. It would make sense if weaker demons tended to use deception more to make up for their lack of strength, but that train of thought cannot be applied to this instance. They are definitely individualists and I'd imagine they feel little to no affinity toward one another or even the demon king, with fear being the primary reason they follow any chain of command within the hierarchy once they become caught up in it. I just had another thought that's relevant to Flamme's absolute claims about the nature of demons. The sense I get surrounding demons in present times is that the average demon is significantly more powerful than the average human. This made me wonder, if such a gap is true, why was it necessary for demons to rely on deceitfulness in the first place? I am thus inferring that their current level of strength is way higher relative to it during Flamme's time. What changed? My guess is it's connected to Aureole. Flamme supposedly visited Aurole, and she made no mention of the Demon King's castle being located there when she went. Therefore, I speculate demons discovered whatever Aureole is and used it in some way to enhance their power. This could also explain why some demons who got caught up in this hierarchy (originating from the Demon King after occupying Aureole) such as Draht and Linie don't default to deceitfulness as their approach to conflict and ALSO could explain why those demons not caught up in the hierarchy ("wild," rogue/unaccounted for), such as the Einsam in ep 5, still rely on deceitfulness as they have not become any stronger via some unknown benefit/buff originating from Aureole. So perhaps during Flamme's time, demons were generally weaker and more similar in nature to the Einsam. I can definitely poke some holes in this thinking, but I feel like I'm onto something. Thoughts?
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-23 07:55:01 +0000 UTC@Alexander I really like your take on mercy. Although it's been strongly implied that they kill out of a sense of self preservation just like humans do (hence my aversion to teaching the whole "all of them want to trick and kill and talking to them doesn't do anything) because if their motivations are similar to ours (also they pointed out that we humans also trick in order to kill), and they have the capability of thinking then I can't condone a teaching that says they are ALL some type of way. but I do agree --and I'm willing to put down good money on the fact-- that we are not done with this subject in this series ((though I'm not sure if we will revisit it in this season or in some other subsequent one))
MelanieRS
2024-02-23 04:57:14 +0000 UTCAlso I didn't fully explain things properly. Stark learning the truth of what happened with Himmel and the sword made him reflect upon himself and like you said it was something that resulted in him growing as a character. I didn't make this comment with the expectations of fully fleshing everything out with what happened in episode 12 cause like I said I was already sleepy and not fully thinking or wanting to put full effort into my comment. Thanks for correcting my screw ups though.
L.C.
2024-02-23 04:12:13 +0000 UTCThe most interesting part of the morality in Frieren's case is the power dynamic at play. If mercy is understood as compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm, then it stands to reason that humanity is unable to provide mercy towards its natural predators, the demons. We saw the young demon given mercy at the hands of the more powerful hero party; the result was another death. We have seen no mercy afforded to humanity or elf kind by demons thus far. They kill. It is what they have done for over a thousand of our currently known years. I suppose the closest thing to mercy displayed by the demons would have been Lugner telling Stark he could leave if he sacrificed Graf, and the three demon clean up crew telling Flamme she could leave if she sacrificed Frieren. Although, I'd argue that is more a trade than a mercy. I like that the show does not glorify the conflict between them and I am inclined to believe that time has changed Frieren's opinions over time. She did state that she would have to kill Aura upon discovering she continued to kill after being spared in their first encounter, something akin to Frieren being affirmed in her predisposition toward demons. I'm not a manga reader, but if the show's writing stays as strong as it has been, I'm with you in believing that the assumptions taught by Flamme are a generalization and not a hard rule. I would not be surprised to see an instanced couple of encounters in the future where a demon trained in mana suppression in order to hunt; or we come across a weak, but cunning demon that uses wit and guile to live a more peaceful by demon terms life.
Alex
2024-02-23 04:08:57 +0000 UTCMy bad I will fix that. I think I was half asleep while commenting this.
L.C.
2024-02-23 04:02:41 +0000 UTCMath is fun lol. I love how much this show just shows these things and let's them marinate without exposition dumping and dropping tier list labels on everything. I didn't catch this until I was thinking about the episode taking my shower a few hours later that night
Alex
2024-02-23 03:44:59 +0000 UTCEvan Call has done a lot of great anime OST. Another recent show his work is on is Netflix's My Happy Marriage and another current simulcast Sengoku Youko
Alex
2024-02-23 03:38:07 +0000 UTCI think you meant "fate" and not "faith". I mostly agree, but I think Stark learning the truth of the tale was a growth moment for him more than it being a reminder of his weaknesses. I believe it was a lesson for him to reflect upon. One that is further expanded upon in the second half of the episode with him learning that his birthdays were a celebration of his accomplishments. Ultimately, I believe the main takeaway is that extraordinary feats and tales are just that, romanticism for the results of hard work and effort. Stark learned, even if only in a small way, that his efforts were acknowledged.
Alex
2024-02-23 03:32:14 +0000 UTCnever stop yall are anime react goats
Ya Boy
2024-02-22 21:09:17 +0000 UTC@LandofBill I think I can show strong evidence that the show does in fact want you to think of the moral dilemma of killing the demons. If it didn't it could have just kept showing demons like Qual who were just bad and we didn't question it. When these demons showed up the whole story revolved around weather or not it was right and just to kill them. If you are asking me that question then I'm going to figure out my own answer. You don't have to moralize or rationalize, and that's fine. I'm not here to tell you how to enjoy your fantasy, but I would posit that fantasy does indeed serve the purpose of being the avenue in which you can discuss very real human emotions and dilemmas. I think all fiction is open to interpretation concious and unconciously and I like doing so. My original post was not a dig on anyone who liked these episodes, or even those who don't want to grapple with the morality of the situation. It was me stating my own opinion on what I saw as a complex matter that I feel the show invited dicussion on because it made the arc entirely about that.
MelanieRS
2024-02-22 21:04:07 +0000 UTCTolkien actually went back and forth on if orcs were pure evil or not. Also the whole point of making the demons this way seems to be so there isnt a moral dilemma about killing them. Also comparing it do us not killing certain predators doesnt really equate because in this scenario we are the gazelle and the demon is the lion. you dont need to moralzie or rationalize a fantasy story to our world and that also kinda defeats the purpose of fantasy.
LandofBill
2024-02-22 19:53:02 +0000 UTCWhat I love about this series is that it takes its time and is very particular about its storytelling, worldbuilding and character development. It doesn't dump it all on you all at once, and the format as Ange said where flashbacks are often woven in to explain stuff like character motivation or culture or history is so seamlessly done but not overly complicated that it all just feels natural and timely.
Patrick Wotton
2024-02-22 14:17:43 +0000 UTCIt was straight up Anya face xD
Mango
2024-02-22 10:51:00 +0000 UTCStark looking at the sword was meant to show his reflection of himself compared to what he sees Himmel as. Stark thinks of himself as a failure and coward while seeing that Himmel was still willing to push forward and fight against what "fate" decided on. Fate said Himmel was not meant to be the hero that slays the demon king because he could not pull the sword. Himmel decided he was going to become that hero anyways. Stark admires Himmel the Hero quite a lot as anyone should. The guy is the best character in the entire series imo. It didn't have anything to do with the brother or stark somehow pulling out the sword. The sword was meant to display Himmel and his character and how he decided to push forward even without the so called "heroes sword". You could even say that maybe the sword is never meant to be pulled. It just took someone with the heart and resolve to push past being told they weren't the "chosen one" in order to face the demon king and win. Its all up to interpretation as to how to take that scene. Either way stark recognizes Himmel and basis his own character off of how Himmel would have acted.
L.C.
2024-02-22 08:10:54 +0000 UTCThe funniest part about Frieren's face in episode 12 is that she has the same VA as Anya.
Steven Tran
2024-02-22 07:56:10 +0000 UTCI'm sorry guys for ruining the comments section here but I'm really excited for Haikyuu and I thought the episodes would drop on Tuesday or Wednesday, right?
Cisvo
2024-02-22 03:39:28 +0000 UTCIt’s amazing how quickly the show can deeply pierce our emotions, I cried as well reading/watching the first episode
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-22 02:28:33 +0000 UTCThe heroes party seems chill but is filled with beasts. All 4 of them are literal monsters. Some more lines will showcase some more talents of Heiter where I was like... is that even possible?
Silvers Rayliegh
2024-02-22 02:07:55 +0000 UTCFrieren thought she was in a CoD lobby.
Evan Valenti
2024-02-22 01:17:31 +0000 UTCAura didn’t cut her head off because Frieren was intimidating her or anything like that. The scales of obedience LITERALLY make the person with less mana OBEY whatever the stronger person wants them to do. There was NOTHING Aura was trying to actively do.
long ass username
2024-02-22 01:02:06 +0000 UTCRight. That's why it's actually Etchi (エッチ) in japanese. To sum up: Ecchi is the Western form of the Japanese word Etchi, which comes from the Japanese pronunciation of the English "H", referring to the H in hentai. The evolution of languages through interaction ^^
GTB
2024-02-22 00:43:25 +0000 UTCI don't want spoilers but I just don't know if I can get to the point of them saying that the either race is "Neither evil nor acceptable" in this arc, because the end result is they need to be killed with extreme prejudice... and I think even wild beasts who act on survival instincts still need to do SOMETHING to warrant being killed, so I think at least in this small arc, the idea is they are evil.
MelanieRS
2024-02-21 23:53:18 +0000 UTCI personally find it refreshing as well as many modern stories tend to write toward either extreme of humanizing demons or depicting them as malicious and evil. It’s a realistic depiction with elements drawn from the real world. “Neither evil nor acceptable” is a good way to put it. I still think Melanie can enjoy the story even if it doesn’t quite explore the direction she mentioned as there’s there’s a still a ton of intriguing depth, care, and effort the author crafts into showing the extent of demons’ nature which I personally haven’t seen before. I’m curious what her thoughts will be once she explores her ideas and learns more alongside Macht.
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 23:39:14 +0000 UTCI get what you are saying @Champion Bescos and honestly is nothing new about showing demons as being pure evil or at least as deserving of punishment. If they showed these 3 demons and Aura and all the other demons in the show as conniving and bad I would be fine with it.. but having the story revolve around the inherent 'evil' or at least conniving nature of an entire species is not something that makes me go "oh yeah, kill them all!" I think implying that a whole species is bad is fine for what you say, a no thinking approach to a nuance subject. If the show didn't want me to think about the moral dilemma all it had to do was not make it a focal point. I'm totally down for just enjoying our hero taking down some baddies... but when you make it a point to say hey, the moral of the story is kill first, no taking to these guys EVER.... then I got problems with that mentality and that message. I think this series is for me, because I do like questioning my media and having really interesting moral mental exercises that remind me that I'm a thinking person that doesn't have to be lead by what the show wants me to think but I can take bits and pieces and come to my own conclusions. I can disagree with the Mangaka's intent and still like the show. My dislike for these 4 episodes doesn't change the fact that I cried like a baby for the first 4 episodes, that I think the characters are really well written or that I really enjoy this world. I am just not someone that will ever be okay with characterizing an entire group as "learning to talk only to deceive" no entire group of people is a monolith that way in real life and teaching that even in subtle ways, in fictional ways, is not something I'll be cool with. I'm caught up with this show and it is still amazing. I hope this gets the reversal I want, but if it doesn't i'll be fine saying I loved the show except for this thing.
MelanieRS
2024-02-21 23:04:58 +0000 UTCI think (to this point in the show/series) that episode 12 might be my favorite. Turned to my wife when I showed it to her and she was crying near the end. That’s some incredibly solid storytelling and character writing in a few episodes. I can’t wait for you guys to get caught up. The entire season is near perfect, but there’s a few gems in particular that I know will impress and/or move you two.
Champion Bescos
2024-02-21 22:54:47 +0000 UTCHard disagree. I actually find it refreshing that for once demons are just inherently against ever valuing or caring for humanity or seeing than as anything beyond prey. They’re not evil or malicious, no. They just see things differently due to their biology, and will never want to change or adapt. Far, far too often fantasy works have what you’d like to see - a nuanced take on a sentient species being misunderstood or treated as a monolith by humanity, and the hero or some other party of characters grows to understand them and see their positive qualities and intelligence and fight against the status quo of their society treating that species exclusively as villains. That’s been done time and time again, so it’s now subversive to just play it straight with them. A hard line without exception is genuinely refreshing in fantasy; something I haven’t seen since orcs in Tolkien’s writings. Demons are bad and they will always be bad in this series and they will be treated as such by Frieren. There’s no need to find any sort of allegory here, there is none to be found. Demons do not represent misunderstood races, disenfranchised peoples, gradually growing extinct wildlife or anything else, so don’t superimpose any of that onto them. The mangaka’s intent is clear; they are an antagonistic force, neither evil nor acceptable. If that’s not your cup of tea, this series respectfully ain’t for you.
Champion Bescos
2024-02-21 22:45:01 +0000 UTCSame! Very odd thing, considering how many other iconic characters he’s voiced, but I suppose Toji just sounds the closest.
Champion Bescos
2024-02-21 22:40:23 +0000 UTCGood point! :)
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 21:44:30 +0000 UTCWhich also leads to how Flamme was probably able to predict Frieren would come to regret how she treated her relationships too! coz she knew the path she set Frieren down on and maybe felt sorry for that and took accountability by putting down the note about Aureole
Prateek Sridhar
2024-02-21 21:43:36 +0000 UTCI just found out the OST composer of Frieren is the same composer of Violet Evergarden's OST, what an epic song writer. Also, Idk if anyone is interested to know but the term referring to Himmel "Yuusha" is a little bit different to the "Hero" we normally see, it's just there isn't a more fitting English word for it. The character of a "Yuusha" is deep within the Japanese culture, which tends to value attributes like perseverance, friendships etc more, basically the differences you see in Himmel and the traditional western heroes (except the self-admiration part, that's just a Himmel's thing lmao.) In the show they refer "Yuusha" and "Hero" to different things but because of the language barrier "Hero" is the only option for both.
Jason
2024-02-21 21:29:36 +0000 UTCAside from the completely epic moments this episode (10), I also really like how this gives us so much context in understanding Frieren as a character. Initially I had assumed she was so cold and distant due to her vastly different perception of time and also perhaps growing numb/used to outliving her comrades throughout the years. However, it's not only her different perception of time and it had nothing to do with my second speculation that explain how Frieren came to be who she is; Flamme's strategic advice to live in obscurity until becoming strong enough to defeat the Demon King adds so much context. While I don't know Frieren's age when her village was attacked, it seems that the potential relationships she had there and the one she develops with Flamme were really the only meaningful ones in her life up until that point. Then, she lives hundreds, if not around 1,000 years alone without any meaningful interactions or relationships. So of course, when she is then recruited by Himmel and his party, she isn't going to fully appreciate or understand the importance of her "mere" 10 year journey with them right away. I think the rapid shots we get of that journey which flash by in a mere second or two is a way to represent how Frieren perceived that journey. So it's not just her perception that is different, she didn't have much experience with meaningful relationships to begin with. Plus, I can't imagine being able to easily change a mindset you've grown accustomed to having after 1,000 years of solitude. Lastly, this is more speculation, but it would be very painful to try and live in the moment more after all those years alone, as it could remind her of the significance and pain of losing her family and Flamme, a defense mechanism perhaps.
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 21:28:59 +0000 UTCAh ok, I see what your main point was now. The nature of demons isn't the focus or issue, it's just the unyielding attitude in how to deal with them taken thus far. I also agree humans irl should avoid killing dangerous animals when possible and seek a path to coexistence. It's tricky in Frieren though, as some demons like Aura are insanely powerful and pose such a huge threat to the heavy majority of humans (except for HIMmel, I don't know for sure, but I assume the reason Aura conveniently regained her power the exact year Himmel died was because she was terrified of him and his strong will). I ultimately agree with your point that every demon should be examined on a case to case basis, but I also understand the ruthless approach taken with them as often times the former approach is a luxury many can't afford without risking their own lives or the lives of those they are responsible for. I'm sure we'll have a lot more to discuss in like ~15 ish episodes :).
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 21:04:25 +0000 UTCIn episode 12, notice how Stark said he wasn't a hero/brave and ran away when his family was slaughtered. That's how he remembered it, but when he was reminded more of his brother, he remembered he was told to run him and that he had to live. So he was really doing what his brother, his hero told him to do.
Leegion
2024-02-21 20:57:15 +0000 UTCIt'll hopefully be tomorrow.
Danny
2024-02-21 20:55:02 +0000 UTCNot really sure why, but for some reason Kraft's VA isn't Zeke for me but Toji. I know he voices all 3 of them but I never see Zeke when he speaks, only Toji.
Phil
2024-02-21 20:51:47 +0000 UTCMaybe im the one lacking imagination here but i like Frieren because they always take a half step more than what i expected. Not a full explosive emotion step. For example i knew Eisen would say something nice but wasn’t expecting Stoltz follow up. These kinda things.
Decaf
2024-02-21 20:50:16 +0000 UTCI appreciate your points but I think they aren't relevant to my concerns. The idea of the demons not being like humans have nothing to do with the message that is at the core of the story You can use inanimate objects to talk about humanity.. and I do think that in this case there is ample evidence that the demons are being used as a metaphor for a beings who are difficult to understand (wether it's because they are evil or because they are emotionless is irrelevant to the message in these epidoes) so I think the message of this arc is still somewhat suspect (leaving room for it being a setup for a reversal in the future). Another issues that I have with your idea of demons being more like wild animals is that it should then make even more sense that the explicit notion of "kill them without mercy" shouldn't apply. I know we humans do kill animals who hurt humans, but we really shouldn't! And so being like "yeah, totally kill them without talking about their motives because every single one of them have the same motive.. even though they are capable of thought and speech".... seems like a difficult thing to root for and/or advocate for. I haven't read the manga, but I do think the writing has been very thoughtful so far and I do hope (sincerely and profoundly) that this is some setup for Freiren to grow later down the line. I would be very happy with that.
MelanieRS
2024-02-21 20:20:19 +0000 UTCLETS GOO CAN’T WAIT TO WATCH!
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 20:13:52 +0000 UTCHIMmel <3
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 20:13:24 +0000 UTCWhile I do think there is merit to some of your concerns at this point in the story, I think it’s actually been implied that demons as a race can’t be evil in the traditional sense as being such would require the ability to understand human values and emotion such as malice and guilt. While we have only seen a handful of demons thus far, they appear to be (biologically) fundamentally different from humans despite a similar appearance. Just as they have their own magic system which humans cannot fully comprehend (but can partially mimic, such as the spell for flight), humans seem to have values and emotions exclusive to them which demons cannot comprehend but can partially mimic to fool humans. I think a fitting description of a demon is an intelligent wild beast. Just like in our world, we wouldn’t classify a lion hunting prey as “evil,” nor expect it to be able to comprehend all human values, morals, and emotions. A good example already given in the show would be the demon child taken in by the village in episode 7. She sensed the daily bloodlust of the mother of the daughter she ate, and offers her a “replacement daughter;” not out of malice, nor out of kindness, but from a preservation instinct of wanting to quell a threat - all with an obvious complete lack of understanding of human values/morals/connections/etc, as she would not have tried to address the threat in that way as if she had such understanding, she’d known she’d be killed for that approach. I can’t say much else, but I think you’ll find the most recent chapter of Frieren that was released very intriguing :).
Russell Gambardella
2024-02-21 20:11:07 +0000 UTCWhen she hit her with the "Aura, kill yourself", one of the best anime moments of all time imo.
Leegion
2024-02-21 20:04:06 +0000 UTCThe word "ecchi" is used to describe mildly perverted people or things. It comes from the Japanese pronunciation of the English letter "H" from "hentai."
HorriblyUnoriginal
2024-02-21 19:51:25 +0000 UTCi also think himmel saying, “just a feeling” to frieren reminded her of herself when she first met flamme. earlier in the ep, when flamme was talking about strong mages frieren tells her that she should know how they feel bc she is one. when flamme asks why she thinks that, frieren says “just a feeling” and flamme recognized the potential in her. so i think himmel saying that kinda let frieren know that he was really HIMmel 🫡
alexis ♡︎
2024-02-21 19:29:47 +0000 UTCYou gotta wonder if Himmel really had a feeling that Frieren is a very strong mage, or if he just thought she was cute lol Also, now that you've seen the episode. You can enjoy Aura memes like this: https://imgur.com/ny0Z5XC
Astor Lefflinker
2024-02-21 18:56:01 +0000 UTCdamn now im sad
Ricsson
2024-02-21 18:54:30 +0000 UTCToday is haikyu day
Clément Creton
2024-02-21 18:26:20 +0000 UTCIs everyone waiting for haikyuu? 😂
LisanAlGareeb
2024-02-21 18:20:34 +0000 UTCAura: " she has the mana of a mage who lived for a 100 years or so" Heiter: "not bad, she has one fifth of my mana" Are we gonna skip over heiter just casually dropping the thiccest d*ck on the table. A human with the mana capacity of aura
baja
2024-02-21 18:20:12 +0000 UTCsrsly? no hypekyiuuu?
Ricsson
2024-02-21 18:14:59 +0000 UTCI love this show and I do think that it's still an interesting discussion but I honestly didn't love eps 7-10, mainly because I just feel like there is a difference between implying that a whole race of beings is evil and actually explicitly having it be the theme of the story. I also think as a story theme the idea that flamme was like.. yep, not one of the demons is ever going to hide their mana.. even though they all have the capability and do in order to ambush, seems silly. I sincerely hope that later on in the series there is a reversal and that Freiren does find one demon who challenges her world view and then we can have a more nuanced conversation than what can be had with these 4 episodes. The art , animation, and characterization is still stellar.
MelanieRS
2024-02-21 18:10:16 +0000 UTCKraft calls Frieren young. Stark calling him old man would be praising him lol. God knows how many millenia old Kraft is that nobody remembers anything about him. Frieren in a 1000 years looks exactly how she looked with Flamme. Yea Kraft is super super old. He looks about 40 in human years, while Frieren looks 15 (since she says Fern looks older at 16).
Silvers Rayliegh
2024-02-21 17:47:53 +0000 UTCFrierens title "Frieren the slayer" for having killed more demons than anyone holds so much more value now after ep10. At first it was easy to assume that she did because she lived for so long, but now we know from the demons POV she was literally a nobody/ didnt exist to them until she started the heroes journey. And considering the demons went into hiding after the demonlord died and only emerged again after Himmel passed, it really was just those 10 years that earned her that name.
dani oz
2024-02-21 17:45:01 +0000 UTCO YA BABYYYYY EP 10
ONEEIGHTEEN
2024-02-21 17:44:04 +0000 UTCITS FINALLY HAPPENING THE WAIT IS OVER
Jonesy
2024-02-21 17:41:54 +0000 UTCPlease haikyuu today🙏😭
tanzim haque
2024-02-21 17:24:48 +0000 UTCThis is it! The episode that definitely put Frieren on the top Anime list for me. The buildup was executed so well. Then Frieren's final line. So cold and casual, turning her back not even giving her another look. Such great story writing. Excited to see you guys continue on this journey!
Jarren Jenkins
2024-02-21 17:22:28 +0000 UTCHXH 🥲?
Jesus Rocha
2024-02-21 17:19:44 +0000 UTCAfter Aura cuts her head off ED song plays "And you're alright..." Been waiting for your reaction to Frierens mana scene and "kill yourself" scene and you guys did not disappoint XDdd
Mango
2024-02-21 17:16:19 +0000 UTCFrieren the wifey GOAT
L.C.
2024-02-21 17:00:38 +0000 UTCHIMMEL THE GOAT!
L.C.
2024-02-21 17:00:29 +0000 UTCIm waiting too hahhahaha omg
noya22
2024-02-21 16:58:42 +0000 UTCi am patiently waiting for the noti to pop off
bebe
2024-02-21 16:55:36 +0000 UTCNgl same... I usually just be patient and wait for the notification to pop up but this time around, I HOPE it's today cuz the wait is ooohh killing xD
Amine Bhl
2024-02-21 16:54:15 +0000 UTCi want to be selfish too so taht we can enjoy haikyu again with them
bebe
2024-02-21 16:52:05 +0000 UTCI know they have a tight schedule and probably impossible but somewhere in my heart I wish they could rewatch the series just for patreons. ps: yes I am selfish :(
Sumanth
2024-02-21 16:49:12 +0000 UTCi want haikyu but at the same time i dont damn this is the last week for s4. i am sad
bebe
2024-02-21 16:44:16 +0000 UTCYou really watched one "season" (12 episodes) in 2 weeks XD but it's Frieren so understandable.
Mango
2024-02-21 16:41:21 +0000 UTCLol they're gonna surpass me at this rate. I just finished 13. I started like a week before them too, in order to watch their reactions later.
JN
2024-02-21 16:40:18 +0000 UTCSo far Frieren has killed one demon with his own spell, offed another when he was begging for his life, and now made one unalive themselves FRIEREN IS HER 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
Daniel Molina
2024-02-21 16:40:00 +0000 UTCDang, y’all are rocketing through this show
FTN Chicken
2024-02-21 16:36:11 +0000 UTCHaikyuu wennn?
Gel
2024-02-21 16:35:39 +0000 UTCso no haikyuu today?
Sumanth
2024-02-21 16:29:39 +0000 UTC
