Violet Evergarden: MOVIE 2 REACTION!
Added 2023-09-05 14:54:50 +0000 UTCThis movie really had us feeling every emotion possible....
Violet Evergarden was an AMAZING series!
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Thank you so much for sharing your watching this Franchise. It's bar none my favorite piece of fiction I've ever read or watched and I adore getting to see people experience it. When I first watched the movie I was unsure of how I felt about Gilbert being alive when it was initially revealed after I've come to really strongly hold the opinion that there were still aspects and affirmations of Violet's growth as a person that hadn't been explored in the rest of the franchise, and the fact that his change of heart came about by a clarification of the misunderstanding/miscommunication he had over his impact on her life by way of the same letter writing and earnest emotional communication she had done to help everyone else throughout the show and began/developed to understand herself and him in the first place feels like a wonderful payoff in line with the themes of the whole work. Wanted to share that the scene on the beach feels like it was a case in practice what had been talked about as one of the themes for communicating fully and earnestly with people through the letters: some feelings are just too big to say. I think her frustrated hitting her leg while trying to speak really showed that, after she had just written a letter saying she loves him and that he did provide her with all the things he had wanted to, the words can't come out. Also I love how much you both praised Yui Ishikawa for her work voicing Violet. She's wonderful and she's said in interviews that this was her favorite role, over Attack on Titan and Nier: Automata A couple points from the discussion I think are just worth touching on: in the original source material Gilbert returns in what would have been the anime episode 12 (he saves her on the train instead of Dietfried), so there wasn't really a "forcing" of Gilbert being alive contra authorial intent, and I personally greatly prefer the anime+movies. And While I think affective content was part of the purpose of the Yuris plotline, I think that was first and foremost in service to and a consequence of it being a parallel to Gilbert and Violet (Yuris/Ulysses not wanting to see Lucas and having time to reconcile but not to meet).
Daniel
2024-06-09 10:12:55 +0000 UTCI finally watched the 2nd movie with you two after all these years it's been on the backburner. Glad you two loved the journey as well. I don't agree with your review Ange, but I respect your viewpoints. I can see how you hold those views. I think I would have felt very similar to you if I had seen this when I was younger as well. I do think however, that once you re-watch this after a couple years, being older, experiencing more things in life, painful and heartwarming things, you would appreciate more how realistically messy some moments were, when you had preferred it be more neatly packaged and presented; that's where I agree with Carlie when she felt the ocean scene was very realistic and not Hollywood-esque. I can see your reasonings, but once again I do think after re-watching in a few years you will appreciate the movie more. Like you said yourself, I do see yourself coming around to appreciating it more in the future. ---- Kyoto Animation is a juggernaut for those of us who followed anime in the 90s and 2000s, even 2010s of course with Violet Evergarden. So many hits they've made, and were WIDELY considered the best studio in terms of animation and directing. Then of course, they experienced a violent tragedy where they've had to spend time recovering from. Before Violet Evergarden, the go-to tearjerker anime series was also animated by KyoAni: CLANNAD. It's still worth a watch IMO, though it may be dated and lesser in comparison. But it's still great, a classic. Music is top tier as well. A Silent Voice is another one of their realistic drama movies, also a very good movie IMO. And they also animated action/comedy in Full Metal Panic!, and a LOT of romance and tearjerker series in the 2000s, all classics in their own right. Kyoto Animation also basically popularized in 2006/2007, slice-of-life and especially SOL Comedy and the genre of Cute Girls Doing Cute Things; Bocchi the ROCK!! takes a lot of inspiration from a series they animated, K-On!.... Haruhi Suzumiya was a JUGGERNAUT in the mid 2000s and early 2010s. That era's Kaguya-sama... in a manner of speaking. I'm not a massive fan of the series myself, but the movie is S tier. Definitely you two would love that movie. Incredible writing and directing and acting. But yeah, Kyoto Animation is definitely up there in pedigree, along with MAPPA, Wit Studio, BONES, Sunrise, ufotable, etc.
JN
2023-11-06 03:17:38 +0000 UTCLight Novel is better, but this movie is still very good, 8/10 for me
Aaron Wright
2023-11-06 02:06:55 +0000 UTC@gabriel Violet is like 18 in the movie, and Gilbert is like26-30ish? Assuming he enlisted at the start of the war and acheived early status as Major due to his father's family collections (which given the fact his brother is a Naval captain already, and extremely high rank, is likey). 10 years is not really anything of an age gap...my father was 16 years older than my mother and she married at 18 as well. Also Violet isnt like a schoolgirl, they went through the trenches of ww1 together basically...that changes and ages people. As long as they're both over 18, age doesn't really matter.
Aaron Wright
2023-11-06 02:05:00 +0000 UTCWell, I always so, go do trench warfare for 4 years, have your arm and eye blown off, be responsible for the deaths of your entire platoon and then show me what a well adjusted individual you are..you dont come back from the things Gilbert went through as a well adjusted person
Aaron Wright
2023-11-06 01:08:16 +0000 UTCPlease react to Hibike Euphonium. It was also produced by Kyoto Animation as well as violet 🥹🥹 please it’s so great too
嘉铭 李
2023-10-02 04:52:25 +0000 UTCYeah the anime is perfect is many aspects, but it’s such a shame that it messed up Gilbert - a core character in the story 😢.
Aiyuu
2023-09-24 20:43:41 +0000 UTCWow why did they change his story so hard? The novel made it seem like Gilbert cares a lot for Violet and how she is moving on with life, while the anime has him just escaping from it all. The movie definitely made me like him less.
Elaine Hu
2023-09-24 15:22:11 +0000 UTCAnime world is too cruel for carlie. I know some animes that contain more dramas than violet movie. I hope she doesn't need to watch them :)
defaulticus
2023-09-16 16:07:36 +0000 UTC"Additionally, her wanting to understand Gilbert's feelings doesn't exactly mean that she needs to romantically love him." As I said, she doesn't fall in love with him...in trying to understand his words, his feelings, she understands that she already felt that way about him before. These feelings are there from the start. "that the bond they shared was more of a father-daughter relationship" In the LN it's more clear that it's not. But once again...first episode of the series, Violet's words :"I've never had a family, so I don't need a new one." And think back to all the details, the way Violet talks about Gilbert, how he occupies her thoughts, troubles her. Imagine if Violet really were Gilbert's daughter. If it were that kind of love, it would be a very dysfunctional one. So, we don't have to agree. To make myself clear, I don't have a problem with those who would have liked the story to stop at ep 13 (I do), or for the ending to be different. Everyone has the right to wish for what they want. I'm fine with it. I have a problem with saying that this ending ruins Violet's journey, or that it's not coherent. This ending is exactly in thematic continuity, perfectly coherent with Violet's journey. The writing makes perfect sense. However, I find the idea of Violet realizing that she doesn't need Gilbert is precisely not at all consistent with the 13ep and the end where she makes her declaration of love. Why? Just to avoid romantic love? It would be very hard to make it coherent, and what would be the point of that direction? For what meaning? This question is very important. But that's just my opinion.
GTB
2023-09-14 14:41:44 +0000 UTCAgree to disagree, I guess. I really don't think she "needed" him for her story to conclude. Additionally, her wanting to understand Gilbert's feelings doesn't exactly mean that she needs to romantically love him. And just because she does, that love can still be found without him being physically present, as we see throughout the duration of the show. I just don't think narratively this is a strong way to tell the story, no matter how many ways the story had set things up for it to conclude this way. If I'm being honest, my first time watching this through, I never got the feeling she had romantic feelings for him. My interpretation was that she just had relied on him for so long, and he did so many things for her, that the bond they shared was more of a father-daughter relationship. And that she wanted to understand what love is from a human standpoint.
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-12 02:23:07 +0000 UTCI understood. When I said "want him dead" I meant his presumed death in the story. The idea was to say that some wanted Gilbert to remain absent/disappeared ;). "She doesn't need Gilbert's romance to move forward OR be happy/content". 2 comments: 1) What does that mean? Basically, nobody NEEDS romance. Do you? Do I? Does Ange need Carlie or Carlie need Ange? We can all have a good life without romance. Romance is not needed, and yet, romantic love is everywhere and the notion of a couple is present in every society. So, what's the point? 2) Have you carefuly watched the show? Have we watched the same story? The same character? The same end of ep 13 ?...What the show is about ? What difference between Violet at ep 1 and ep 13 ? What the show is about ? Ep 1 give the answer twice. First time, from the very first seconds. Opening scene : Violet seeing the brooch. "I see your eyes. I felt something. What is this feeling called ?" cut. This opening scene directly announces that the show is about this girl who will understand her feelings for this man. As I said, at no point does the story mention Violet forgetting Gilbert. Not once. On the contrary, from the very first episode to the very last seconds, Gilbert is in her thoughts. At the end of ep 1, there's a very important scene. Violet says she wants to become an Auto Memories Doll because she wants to understand Gilbert's words (feelings). This scene is important because it finalizes the prologue by saying for the second times what the show is about. This scene is important also because 1) Violet expresses her own will for the first time 2) This will is to understand Gilbert (She will repeat this reason multiple times throughout the show. making clear this is her main motivation). Ep 1 opens with Violet writing to Gilbert (a report), the final episode ends with Violet writing to Gilbert (a real letter). Deliberate mirror scenes. Because what this story is about is that in trying to understand Gilbert's words/feelings (and those of others), she will understand her own feelings. She doesn't fall in love with Gilbert, she understands that she already felt that way. And do you remember the end of ep 13 ? Do you remember the words of her letter ? "I am still waiting for your return [...] First, I didn't understand any of your feelings, but I started learning from the new life you've provided me [...] I still believe you are still alive out there somewhere. THIS IS WHY I will continue to live [...] If we should ever MEET AGAIN, this is what I would tell you : I now understand what the words I LOVE YOU mean => she understand cause she understand her own feelings => she is literally saying she would want to tell him I Love you (crying cause she can't do it)" How on earth is it possible to understand from these words that she doesn't need him ? Every.word.calls.for.Gilbert. This is a huge love letter. She went from a report to a love letter. She's now a person able to have proper relationships. And it introduce for what comes next (it's different in the original light novel but Violet and Gilbert are in a relationship as well). So yeah. The show could have ended at ep13. It was a good ending. A bittersweet ending that I found perfect. But it didn't end Violet's journey. The sequel does, and in a coherent way. And I'll say it again, when you look at the subject of the series, and Violet's development... it makes perfect sense for Gilbert to be the next step, happy or unhappy ending. And personally, I think Violet's been through enough tragedy, she deserves to be happy with what's most important to her... because that makes sense for a series about healing. It's in keeping with her journey, with her evolution, with her motivations, with her feelings, with the person she's become. And what Martina suggests: "but realizing she can finally go on without him, as she is now a complete person". ...because...? Seriously, why ? What's the point ? and how write this non-sens with this Violet for whom Gilbert means the world ? What would it tell? What would it mean for Violet? What thematic significance would it have? And, is she a less complete person with Gilbert? Why ? When you write something, the question you ask yourself the most is "meaning". Why would Violet act this way? What sense would it make? Why does she need to realize that she doesn't need him? What does it mean thematically? Without asking "why" and the question of the meaning of what you write...Violet's ending could have been anything and everything else. I get the feeling that what's bothering some people here is just that Violet loves Gilbert madly. They seem to perceive this as if it were a bad thing for her. Why? Love is shit or prison? Am I missing something? ps: I can recommend Euro Brady (on twitch and youtube replay) is a narrative-therapist who brings a look at character psychology and how that shows up in the picture. He's currently doing it on Violet and Eighty-Six. It's very interesting.
GTB
2023-09-10 23:15:44 +0000 UTCI didn't WANT Gilbert dead, per se. I just didn't think him being alive provided much to the conclusion of Violet's journey. No one said him being alive invalidates her journey either, it just doesn't strengthen it, imo. Additionally, and this goes without saying I'd assume, love isn't only defined by romantic relationships with someone. Love is something that she already discovered, through her friends and the people she met. She doesn't need Gilbert's romance to move forward OR be happy/content. She is a very strong willed character by the end of the series, and I believe her happiness would never hinge on him being alive.
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-10 17:00:48 +0000 UTCi don't think so. Violet name and writing skill is what make her famous. If she change company. People that want to use her talent will just book her at that company and she will travel to that person's place like she always does at Claudia's company. Her job isn't attached to the company at all.
Hoa Trương
2023-09-09 19:48:13 +0000 UTCshe quit her job at Claudia's company, is what I meant. it's nice that she kept writing letters and helping people at the island, but it's like a famous actress retiring because of a man and acting in local plays for 10 people.
Martina
2023-09-09 19:15:47 +0000 UTCI don't understand why some people would want Gilbert to be dead. Gilbert's survival doesn't invalidate anything about Violet's journey (on the contrary!). This isn't an anime about Violet's mourning. Violet never mourns Gilbert. In fact, she's the only character who repeats right up to the end that she believes he's alive, somewhere. The anime is absolutely not about Violet forgetting about Gilbert and move on. And she deserves a little happiness, doesn't she? This film is a logical sequel. After learning empathy, after building herself as a person, after "healing", after understanding her own feelings through those of others... she then has the opportunity to build a happiness for 2. Which could never have been the case for the Violet at episode 1, completely unable to have a relationship. She's not the same person she was at the beginning, and the path she's taken was necessary to get there. And if experiencing love isn't a path that makes perfect sense for a character who didn't even understand the meaning of the words... I have a bit more reservations about the treatment of Gilbert. The character is interesting and consistent with the monsters of his past. The problem is that Violet has had 13 episodes and 2 OVAs for her development to be properly dealt with, whereas Gilbert has to do it in half a film. His evolution is too fast, and doesn't sound quite right. That's the problem with the film. It's still an amazing movie, a magnificent conclusion and Violet Evergarden is one of the greatest anime and undeniably the most visually beautiful. The production quality is absolutely in-sane! KyoAni have outdone themselves here. I imagine you've already been made aware of the tragic attack on KyoAni in 2019, claiming many lives (including the director of Kobayashi's Dragon Maid for ex). Their productions afterwards take on a different meaning knowing that.
GTB
2023-09-08 21:49:14 +0000 UTCViolet didn't quit her job though. She still work as a Doll, just not for Claudia and at Leiden anymore. She still work as a Doll on that island in another company.
Hoa Trương
2023-09-08 15:02:11 +0000 UTCokay so my thoughts on the ending: I really didn't like that Violet quit her job, leaving all her friends and all the people who still needed her talent as a doll. for me, the ideal ending would be Violet meeting Gilbert, saying their I love yous, but realizing she can finally go on without him, as she is now a complete person and no one's tool. she would go back to Leiden and continue her work as a famous doll, he would stay on the island and atone for his sins just like Violet has throughout the show. and then maybe we could have them meet in the future as a final scene. but still, it was a beautiful movie.
Martina
2023-09-07 15:16:18 +0000 UTCwhen claudia said you idiot to jilbert thats how we all felt man i just finished the reaction mygod they really butchered ma boi gilbert with the high iq decision makings
Halibel
2023-09-07 10:05:01 +0000 UTCyou are not wrong but people in asia tend to not care much about age gap cause the legal age here is pretty young so he didn't take account of westeners getting bothered by a small detail to them prolly.
Halibel
2023-09-07 09:38:30 +0000 UTCI don't think the roof collapsed directly on top of him. I know it is highly unlikely to survive this, but it's not impossible. I remember some time back there was a series of massive earthquakes in Turkey were so many buildings collapsed while people are still inside. Many died, but many others were rescued alive, even after losing too much blood, and some of them were rescued alive after few days of the collapse. So it's not 100% unrealistic. IT can happen. Violet was in the same building and barely few meters away from him and none of us complained 🤣
Aizensalami
2023-09-06 18:15:36 +0000 UTCYeah they definitely made Fried Rice look better and Claudia even better but Jilbert was supposed to annoy me and then make up for it but he stopped at annoy me xD.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-06 15:07:23 +0000 UTC@gabriel Of course you can't, I hear shows are not about making you feel stuff 🤣
KaijinGarou
2023-09-06 15:02:51 +0000 UTCI can't be bothered by an ideology that's removed from our society because it's clearly wrong? You can identify something wrong with what you're watching, and still enjoy watching it.
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-06 14:44:10 +0000 UTCYeah bold of us to assume being shot in the eye and have the whole place you're in collapsing on you due to the massive explosions would kill you.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-06 14:41:44 +0000 UTCEven with all the Jilbert fiasco, this movie is still a masterpiece. I am glad every other character realizes what Jilbert was doing was absolutely wrong and I am glad the script at least addressed that.
Amrith
2023-09-06 09:55:56 +0000 UTCNo one here is going to call Ange out for calling Megalodons disgusting? Please do watch Megashark, Megashark vs Giant Octopus and MegaShark vs Corcosaurus to see a complete character arc that a Megalodon goes through. In one of the movies the Shark swallows an entire nuclear submarine and the shark itself goes nuclear, like godzilla, in order to fight it's adversary. Peak writing.
Amrith
2023-09-06 06:23:34 +0000 UTCI don't think anyone missed that point. I think it's pretty lame of you to assume that people who do not like the ending are not intelligent enough to understand the purpose of the anime. As stated by myself and those very same people who "missed the point", we still really enjoy the anime, and think that it's amazing in many ways, I'm sorry that I feel it's lacking because of Gilbert being alive. The anime didn't need Gilbert being alive to end in a satisfactory way. Really, the reason this feels lack luster, is because the anime ended up becoming less about Gilbert, and more about her finding herself and learning about human emotion, as you essentially already stated. So reintroducing him doesn't provide much meaning to this story.
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-06 05:25:36 +0000 UTCif its fake then why are so bothered by it?
Halibel
2023-09-06 03:52:52 +0000 UTCI enjoyed the movie but yeah it was quite long. I was happy for Violet with Gilbert being alive but I was expecting Gilbert's timeline little off from Violet's. Something like Violet visits the island and finds Gilbert's grave but she comes to closure through Gilbert's legacy left on the island.. something like that.
Decaf
2023-09-06 03:31:58 +0000 UTCIf you guys ever want to dive back into KyoAni, I honestly think you'll enjoy A Silent Voice, which is a movie and the show Hibike! Euphonium. Both have top tier visuals, characters, and scores. But anyways love this movie and I tear up every time. Easily a 9.5/10 for me.
KC
2023-09-06 02:20:09 +0000 UTCCarlie must have nearly depleted her tissue box from this movie alone, and I don't blame you. Yuris' situation and death got me so hard. Moreso watching it for the second time with you guys 😢😭 Dietfried's character development was great considering that, at the beginning of the show, he was the one that who kept and treated Violet as a weapon when she was an orphan, and Gilbert was the one to save her. Now, the tables have turned, and Dietfried is the one to help Violet and Gilbert. Also, can we talk about how many times Benedict came in clutch throughout the series: he kicked the bomb off of the train, helped Taylor from the first movie fulfill her wish, and got Yuris and Lucas to come in contact via telephone (with Iris' help). Claudia, Dietfried, and Benedict are the MVPs of this movie for me ⭐⭐⭐ While I didn't like how they handled "Jilbert's" reaction to meeting Violet, I think it was a pretty realistic situation. He was a soldier with so much guilt on his shoulders, though reluctant, he intentionally took advantage of a child's fighting capabilities and gave her orders to fight. Of course, he hated doing it and wanted Violet to live freely as soon as possible, but I'm sure the situation often called for her skills. So, I understand why his character was written like that. Doesn't mean I have to like it though. I was crying after Yuris' death scene, but your guys' reaction to his mother reading the letter aloud made me burst out laughing. "TURN IT OFF!!" I already said my opinion of this movie in the last movie post, but I take back half of what I said. I definitely enjoyed the movie more on my second watch. Still think the directing on some parts could have been better, but overall it was a great movie. Ange, I swear, everything you said post-discussion, same exact thoughts as me. Yuris' (and the beginning with Ann's family) moments were my favorite parts of the movie. Beautiful animation and music once again from KyoAni. I watched this after JJK S2 (Gojo/Getou arc) and hearing Toji's voice from the kind Claudia was a strange feeling lol. Glad you guys made it to the end in one piece, minus the weight loss in water weight from the all tears that were shed 💧🧻
MADHOUSE
2023-09-06 01:49:50 +0000 UTCWatch something happy next! I recommend Clannad!
Finnishdoggo
2023-09-06 00:04:05 +0000 UTCFor those who don’t like how the movie went (like me), you should really try reading the original source, which is the light novel. It has a way better ending and afterwards story. However, beware that since the anime adaptation greatly divert from the source, you may find some differences in how the characters are portrayed, especially Gilbert and Violet. I’ll put them down here so you can consider whether you want to read it or not. BIG SPOILERS AHEAD: 1. The novel describes Violet’s past as a soldier in more detail and the fighting scenes were quite ruthless. And unlike the anime Violet, novel Violet doesn’t have a post war PTSD. So the character development where she learns to love herself after the war maybe not present in the novel. 2. The novel goes way more detailed in telling the story from Gilbert’s point of view so you have a better understanding of how he sees things from the start. So he actually never runs away from his duties. They were both brought to the hospital together, but he woke up first and decided that he should hide himself from her. The reason be that he’s afraid that with him always by her side, she will keep thinking about herself as a tool and will just blindly follow his orders. So he removed himself from her life so she is forced to think for herself what she wants to do now that her master is gone and gives her a chance to connect with other people. But unlike the anime Gilbert who just simply runs away, The novel Gilbert always keeps an eye out for Violet’s wellbeing from a distance. In fact, almost everyone including Claudia and Fried rice knows about his plan, and Claudia is actually the messenger who regularly sends him updates on how Violet is going. So anything Gilbert wants to do for Violet, he gets Claudia to do it in his stead. 3. This is a very importatnt scene in the novel that got me very disappointed for it wasn’t adapted in the anime. Their reunion is actually not on the island like in the movie. It actually happens way back in the last episode of the series. Rememer the train hijacking incident? In the novel, Violet was actually almost killed by the enemy, and it was Gilbert who jumped in to save her. At that point, he still wasn’t aure if he should himself to her. But weighing between her safety and his own uncertain feelings, the former is clearly more important. He was also the one to lead the army and rescue everyone from the train. This incident in the novel has way more action and stuff going on than in anime. And their reunion would be so emotional and cinmeatic (if being adapted) since it happened in the midst of the chaos and Gilbert appered in front of Violet just like a hero like he has always been to her. In this scene, Violet is actually the one to beg him not to leave her and seeing how despearate Violet, Gilbert agreed. Yep he didn’t have to make Violet wait for hours in the rain to come to that decision.
Aiyuu
2023-09-05 23:32:01 +0000 UTCI don’t think there is an official translation of the novel, but this is fan translation if you’re intersted: https://dennou-translations.tumblr.com/post/159331691639/violet-evergarden-novel-index/amp
Aiyuu
2023-09-05 23:22:02 +0000 UTCI’ll never understand people thinking that Gilbert surviving somehow ruined the message of the story… first of all, Violet’s arc wasn’t about coming to terms with his death. It was about learning to live freely as her own person. She did all of that only because she was separated from him. She agreed to stay that way only because Hodgins told her that’s what Gilbert wanted, and when she was told he was probably dead, she had to come to terms with the fact that he may not be in her life anymore. He nearly wasn’t. But now, learning that he is alive, we see her choose to return not because she saw herself as his tool, but because she knew she truly loved him. And she nearly left again, because she knew she could survive without him. Seeing her return to him as this new person with a new understanding of her own feelings and worth was a great way to end this story, and anyone that thinks otherwise has severely missed the entire point.
GraffitiTurtle
2023-09-05 22:50:01 +0000 UTCI think for me personally looking back at the series, I’m still not sure how I feel about Gilbert being alive but seeing how much Violet still wasn’t able to find peace or happiness without having a final answer it definitely made me happy for her. As far has Gilbert’s role in the movie I’m was with Ange in that I understood where he was coming from but it still frustrated me a lot. But I think that the movie did a good job of re-evaluating the audiences view of Gilbert because anytime we would see him before it was from Violets perspective. So we were given this picture of a perfect man who was a savior and guiding light for Violet, but the movie stripped us of those notions and reminded us that he is a human just like all of us and that he also has his flaws and struggles. And that was the whole point of the series, to show that human emotions are complex, things aren’t always black and white and they don’t always go the way we hope. Overall I think it was a solid wrap up for the series as a whole, but someone could very easily choose not to watch the movie or pretend it doesn’t exist and still be satisfied with the way the original series ended. Also I really liked the directing with Anne’s granddaughter in the future following Violets path and reminding us that even in a day and age where we can instantly communicate with another person no matter where there are, there’s still a certain feeling about receiving a letter from someone special that can’t be matched.
Kunj Shah
2023-09-05 22:14:38 +0000 UTCI loved the end discussion, because Ange is the first person I've seen that took the movie like I did initially. I didn't understand Gilbert fully, I was angry at him and at the end I felt very little sympathy for him, mainly being happy for Violet and Dietfrid. I thought about this movie a lot in the subsequent weeks and then it struck me. I didn't have to agree with Gilbert's reasoning, quite the opposite actually. His logic IS flawed, he IS being a jerk and I don't need to empathize with the way he acts during the movie. Trauma has no logic. Trauma is just him being 100% sure that he ruined Violet's life, despite everyone telling him he's wrong. It's not something that goes away because someone makes you logically think about it. The words that make him snap are not in Violet's letter. It's Dietfried telling him "you're free" and finally telling him that he can act like he's just some guy, instead of a major. That's what he needed. I hated Gilbert's role in this movie when I finished it. Now I sob hard when I see him speaking with his brother. I feel it's so visceral.
SilverWind
2023-09-05 21:42:40 +0000 UTCI understand some people's feeling about the Gilbert situation, and how he reached to the island is a mystery. But they actually never showed us that he died. Violet was in worse shape than him yet she survived and we didn't know how she reached to the hospital in ep1 as well 🤣. One positive thing is that they mentioned that he found himself in a hospital, then went to many other places until he reached to the island, so he wasn't directly sent to an enemy hospital. Also, I remember feeling so angry with Gilbert after watching the movie for the first time to the point that I felt he didn't deserve Violet. But actually, after rewatching it now, I completely understand his feelings. Serving at war, all the things he saw, everything he did to Violet, it's not something that can be forgotten easily. It must've been wearing him down for years. All he had in his mind when he heard Violet's voice was "here's the girl I loved and yet agreed to use her as a weapon and make her kill people and loose her arms instead of making her happy" So it was very understandable from him to do what he did. It was not self pitty. Obviously, we wanted him to at least meet her properly instead of sending her away, but if we put ourselves in his shoes, I think what he did was at least understandable. Overall, I really really loved this movie, and I enjoyed both endings with and without Gilbert. Maybe the one without him was a touch tastier for me, but the one with him was a touch more rewarding for Violet.
Aizensalami
2023-09-05 21:42:16 +0000 UTCI've not read the visual novel, but I think the movie wanted to setup a clear symmatry betwen Violet and Gilbert. Gilbert asked Violet to live her life, and be free before the shelling. We see from Violet's chat with the Mayor at the start of the film she isn't doing that. Violet started writing the letters to understand what Gilbert meant by "I love you". No matter how much gratitude or praise she gets, she doesn't let go of the guilt. Hodgins is rightfully concerned, we can't see a clear path forward for her. Gilbert is working on the Island out of guilt, and like Violet no amount of praise from the Islanders will allow him to let go of the guilt. How could someone with that mindset think they deserve to be happy with one of the people they really hurt? He may have tried to help her, but he still effectively used her as a tool of war. When they first meet they see each others guilt as irrational. Gilbert thinks she should be able to live her own life without him, and she think's he should be able to live life with her. During the confict at his house they accept the other person's guilt is similar to theirs. However instead of letting go of their guilt, they accept the other person won't let go their guilt just as they won't drop theirs. When Gilbert reads the letter he realises the person he carries so much guilt for hurting actually loves him and praises him, the guilt begins to lift a little. When Violet see's him running for the boat the same thing clicks in her head. A path leading to a happy life has formed becuase they recognise they can let their guilt fade. Another symmetry is that Gilbert was pushed by his father to be in the Army, like how Dietfried forced Violet to be in the army. Gilbert didn't really stop Violet from fighting like how Dietfried didn't stop his father from pushing Gilbert into the army. Neither of them wanted to be a tool of war and want to help people recover from the war.
JGaffney90
2023-09-05 21:06:11 +0000 UTCThis movie is a 9/10 in my list on god
Layyluvv
2023-09-05 20:44:35 +0000 UTCi didn’t know it was from a novel. where did you guys read?
Alexis
2023-09-05 19:56:14 +0000 UTC@Halibel - Are you forgetting that this is a fake show set in a fake universe? They didn't have to write it this way, but they did. lol
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-05 19:36:32 +0000 UTCThen I guess we agree more than we disagree because what they did to Gilbert's character was what I hated the most. Like I don't love their romantic relationship but I can accept it if it was told properly and he started getting those feelings now, but they kinda made it look like were there the whole time. But again, I could accept it. Maybe in the novels it's better and I might give them a look but it really is Gilbert hurting Violet saying and doing things that make him look like he doesn't know her at all after all these years and are completely out of character what pisses me off. He's too busy pitying himself and I don't think it was him who had it worse here to let him get away with it. That and the unlikelihood of him being alive after all we saw. I really didn't need him to come back. The memories of him were so much better.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 18:38:27 +0000 UTCThank you! I was looking forward to this reaction! PS: Dietfried Bougainvillea MVP
Emmanuel
2023-09-05 18:32:27 +0000 UTCLmao 😆 i needed that confirmation
Carlie & Ange
2023-09-05 18:27:52 +0000 UTCFunny how i both agree and disagree with you. Disagree because I actually enjoy their romantic relationship (in fact, I’ve never seen it as father-daughter). Agree because the movie really destroys Gilbert’s character. Nothing he has done here is in line with his character. But then that’s because this is not the original ending of the story. You may already be aware but the novel depicts a much better Gilbert and storytelling. He also does a lot for her behind the scene and not just outright rejecting her like in the anime. If you can ignore the age gap, then the original ending in the novel is a much better one. But if you really hate their relationship, then i guess you hate the novel ending just as much.
Aiyuu
2023-09-05 18:26:20 +0000 UTCOh no .. I need to grab some beers for this. Edit: Ye I knew this was gonna fuck me up again. Glad I clouded my mind with some Alc or I'd have cried all night lol.
Matthias Kamm
2023-09-05 18:18:27 +0000 UTCSomehow the confirmation of the broach being a broach hit Ange harder than any other plot twist in the movie 🤣
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 18:14:06 +0000 UTCYep, you should have a read if you enjoy their relationship and want a better storytelling of how they actually get together.
Aiyuu
2023-09-05 18:04:00 +0000 UTCThe original ending sounds much better than what we got.
Nah I’d win
2023-09-05 17:55:59 +0000 UTCWatching Ange being salty to the show and Gilbert is the funniest thing I have seen in a while😂 "He might be able to do backstroke, just might be misguided that's all". Killed me man😂
Jason
2023-09-05 17:55:14 +0000 UTCalso KyoAni is definitely one of the best studios out there when it comes to animation, especially for animation of the little details. A couple recommendations: -Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid which is a really fun comedy revolving around a dragon that becomes someone's maid -Hibike Euphonium is a cute slice of life about band kids -Beyond the Boundary is one of my personal favorites that's got some magic/spirit themes similar to JJK (just not near as dark/gruesome lol) -Nichijou is also a super fun one with a lot of gag humor and various outlandish antics in everyday life -Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is also an anime classic. About a girl that dislikes ordinary things so she starts a club to find things that aren't ordinary like aliens and telepaths and such
TetraLuna
2023-09-05 17:54:21 +0000 UTCWell you're talking about the only other thing I didn't like from this show xD. But it doesn't matter. I get it's a different world and I can live with it, but they really shouldn't have gone that path with Gilbert at least. They obviously had a platonic relationship in the show and they messed it up in this movie. That's just the top of the iceberg though. You're focusing on one reason I gave for this ending to be a bad one and I talked about many others: It's impossible he's alive. They changed the message of the show and robbed Violet of part of her development as a character. Gilbert's awfully out of character. Nothing he said makes sense with his character or in general. I just wanted his brother or Claudia to punch him the whole movie when I really liked him in the show but they ruined him for me here. They just went for the cheeky romance instead of the valuable lesson of overcoming his death and use it as fuel to help others, as she was doing until she stopped for Gilbert's unlikely and untimed return. Forgetting about the age gap, they still damaged his character and Violet's with everything I've said.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 17:49:13 +0000 UTCUnpopuplar opinion: I don’t really like this movie (I’m alright with it)but not for the reasons as everyone else. First, to answer Ange why he thinks the storytelling as to how Gilbert got to the island was a bit off, that’s because this is an alternate ending which is greatly different from the original ending. SPOILERS: In the novel, Gilbert also doesn’t show himself to Violet but always watch over her from a distance. Also, he still works in the army and always uphold responsibilities to his family unlike the Gilbert in the anime (The anime really makes it feel like he doesn’t care about his mom at all, which is not true). Secondly, I’m probably the only one here to say this but I prefer the novel ending to the anime. Their reunion in the novel is a lot more dramatic, overwhelming and emotional than the anime. It also goes into details of the relationship as a couple afterwards. Finally, I know lots of people dislike their relationship (to the point of denial) because of the age gap, but I never once saw their relationship as father-daughter, especially since Violet had always been mature for her age and it’s pretty clear the way she looks at him as a kid has never been one for a father. Also, a lot of people seem to criticize Violet for depicting a seeming morally wrong relationship even though Gilbert has never done anything sexually to Violet back in the day. All he did was gradually developing feelings for her. All the hate just because they think it doesn’t sit what the modern standards or morale. Honestly, I don’t think a story always has to show what is right or what is wrong, what they want to do is simply tell a somewhat realistic love story that take place in a much older era, where it’s normal for older guys to marry younger girls (This is especially true for traditional Japanese culture as well, that’s why this whole gap thing is only a problem for overseas viewers and not for Japanese). Cultural difference that’s it, so I just enjoy the story as it is.
Aiyuu
2023-09-05 17:47:49 +0000 UTCsuuuuper agree with Claudia and Fried Rice being the best characters of this movie. they really did the most.
TetraLuna
2023-09-05 17:37:51 +0000 UTCGuys...are you forgetting that a princess of 14 married a man of 24? You guys have to remember that in those time that much age gap is normal and woman where considered as "of age" to be married at 10 its just normal for them I really want Carlie & Ange to watch mushoku tensei in the future its one of the best isekai's to be ever created but it has extreme themes but its so good guys the character developments the action the plot its next level. I can't say too much I might spoil now.
Halibel
2023-09-05 17:33:48 +0000 UTCI agree with everything you said. And as I said, I don't hate the show, I still love it. I just think they made a poor decision with this movie and don't consider it to be canon, even if it is. The show's still amazing and I choose to take it as the whole experience with the message it left behind because, yeah, I don't like one bit what this movie gave. Their relationship WAS a father-daughter one and there's no second movie of Violet Evergarden in Ba Sing Se 🤣
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 17:26:34 +0000 UTCI agree with this sentiment. I am completely aware that this story is being told in a timeline where things like this are ok ("things" referring to a significantly older man being with a much younger woman). Now this doesn't make it right, but it is what it is, that's how the story was written. However, it doesn't change the fact that the episodes of this series almost display Gilbert as a father-like figure. He raises her, teaches her how to read, write and gives her this purpose that she never saw in herself. Going from that to being a couple, feels quite off-putting for me. This movie romanticized their relationship, when I don't think it should have been that way at all. Now besides that point, I also feel very strongly that this show would have been better if Gilbert was dead. Not saying him being alive is awful, but rather, the story was set up in a way for Violet needing to come to terms with an immense loss, and needing to figure out how to move forward despite the adversity she faces. Grief is something that is difficult to convey properly, as there are so many nuances in grief, but I think this show did such a great job with it. I think they should have stuck with that story, because that's what was so compelling about this show in the first place, at least for me. That being said, this show is still very very good, and I don't hate it! Besides it's ending (and episode 4 tbh), the show is still captivating and moving, and the OSTs are BEAUTIFUL.
Gabriel Barott
2023-09-05 17:17:54 +0000 UTCI thought it was pretty unpopular because I've seen lots of comments praising this movie but yeah I'm sure more people feel this way. I do think this movie confirmed the romantic relationship on its own without the novels already and makes their previous relationship creepy. That's only part of it though but I already mentioned most of the reasons why I didn't like Gilbert's reintroduction. Violet simply getting over his death was a much better ending than this, and in my headcanon, that's what happened. I was a little hesitant about watching the movie when I saw a blue-haired guy turned back in the poster and my worries were confirmed 😅
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 16:53:23 +0000 UTCI was pretty much on the fence regarding the whole Gilbert situation and was looking at it from a brotherly standpoint until someone confirmed that in one of the light novels Violet does indeed marry Gilbert, which invalidates a lot of good messages that the show has put forward so far. I believe yours is definitely not an unpopular opinion at all because once you reflect upon it, after all your emotions have settled down, one tends to realize what a terrible mistake it was to end the series this way.
Amrith
2023-09-05 16:40:27 +0000 UTCTorture is the best way to describe this movie
Carlie & Ange
2023-09-05 16:40:24 +0000 UTCI cried 2mins into the movie when watching in the theatres, yuris part had me sobbing, this movie is a torture
Aries F
2023-09-05 16:32:21 +0000 UTCWell I did like the first part and can't get enough of Violet interacting with her coworkers. Dietfried's scenes were also good. Who would have thought that after meeting the guy in the show? But yeah I wish this movie were half as long as it is. Gilbert's part took more than gave IMO.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 16:21:45 +0000 UTCI (Ange) share some similar thoughts regarding the whole Gilbert situation. I did really like the movie, but the first one was better imo as well
Carlie & Ange
2023-09-05 16:10:59 +0000 UTCOne of my favorite movies, Thank you so much!! Can't wait for 86!!!!🔥
Mariam
2023-09-05 16:02:56 +0000 UTCClaudia said he'd like to have a daughter but like someday in the future, he wasn't going to have one. He's not even in a relationship from what I know.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 15:52:31 +0000 UTCThis has been so good, cant wait for 86.
Matt Rhinehart
2023-09-05 15:38:53 +0000 UTC86, Haikyuu, and what looks like will be HxH is such a good lineup - I wish I could buy a 1 year sub at a time I can't wait <3
Uzi
2023-09-05 15:32:38 +0000 UTCOh thanks, I needed to add crying to today's bucket list.
matthew bremmer
2023-09-05 15:29:40 +0000 UTCHaha 5 min in and Carlie's already a mess. You can't deny the power of episode 10
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 15:20:07 +0000 UTCUnpopular opinion: I didn't like this movie. I think the first one was far better. I mean, the story of the kid was pretty good, although it felt a little recycled from episode 10, which is still my favorite episode of the show. I really hated everything about Gilbert in this movie. For starters, I'm supposed to believe he survived being shot in the eye before getting blown up by heavy artillery. But the worst part is how he went about Violet. This guy doesn't get her in the slightest if he thinks the best thing to do is refuse to see her after she made it all the way here from Leiden just to see him. He probably doesn't even think that, it's just self-pity. He only does it for himself. What a selfish asshole absorbed in pitying himself and using Violet's well-being as an excuse for it when he's actually harming her further at will. Also, this movie confirmed him as a groomer, which didn't seem to be the case in the flashbacks but yeah, big time. I liked him in those flashbacks but this movie made it so I can't even stand him now. It even made me like his brother way more than him, which is crazy. I wish he would have slapped him in the face. Even though he is supposed to be the adult here, it's Violet the only one who proves to have matured over the years. I can't forgive him for refusing to see Violet when she was crying at his door after crossing the ocean just to see him and trying to make it look like a selfless act when it was the opposite. Lastly and worst of all, the guy changed his name from Gilbert to Jilbert. WTF? I'm kidding obviously but that made me laugh and I don't think I was supposed to. I know what they were trying to do but came across as plain silly to me. I was really hoping and expecting this series not to walk this path but they did. I still love the show and always will but in my head this movie doesn't exist and Gilbert is dead because they did him a very poor service by "resurrecting" him, as it usually happens. I'm interested in your reaction regardless.
KaijinGarou
2023-09-05 15:08:34 +0000 UTCOH NO!!!!! I'M NOT READY YET!!!!
Ordinary Guy
2023-09-05 14:58:37 +0000 UTC
