It's still wild the author decided to give Mikasa her own Mikasa and she didn't like it.
TrixieTurner
2022-08-07 16:37:11 +0000 UTC
Oh yeah that was a really well done mashup! Totally worth checking out
Yasiru Jayasinghe
2022-08-03 09:22:21 +0000 UTC
Just thought, whenever you guys get the chance you should check out the music mashup “My War x Enemy” it’s a crossover of Eren and Jinx along with Enemy from Arcane and some of the AOT intros I think you’d enjoy it!
Dom
2022-08-03 07:53:17 +0000 UTC
i can’t wait till episodes 26, 27, and 28 man 😮💨
Musab imran
2022-08-02 19:00:50 +0000 UTC
I can’t wait for you guys to get caught up. Then you’ll really feel how painful those “To be continued” screens are
Courtland Brown
2022-08-01 17:52:20 +0000 UTC
I felt the exact same way when I watched it for the first time.
Kolton Nay
2022-08-01 16:31:26 +0000 UTC
Yeah haha, I’ll expound on this in our Episode 25 intro. I noticed it too, watching myself back 😆
Carlie & Ange
2022-08-01 15:32:17 +0000 UTC
Idk @Martina but they call that scene "the Cringevengers".
The Plot Armored Titan
2022-08-01 15:03:11 +0000 UTC
It's just those ride or die Jeagerists who hate the fact that Eren's friends are "betraying" him by trying to stop him from stomping billions of people :)
Yasiru Jayasinghe
2022-08-01 14:45:25 +0000 UTC
A bit of both i believe
Eivind Johnsen
2022-08-01 13:09:39 +0000 UTC
I'm so sad I just realized I'm going to have to stop watching your post episode discussions if I want to go into next part TRULY blind (I don't like theorizing too hard I just prefer to go in dumb) since you guys have been SO good with your theories and questions so far! Gonna deeply miss shredding the evidence.
Halcyonic
2022-07-31 20:37:37 +0000 UTC
why do people hate it?
Martina
2022-07-31 19:16:18 +0000 UTC
I’d give him anythiiiing he needs
Carolina
2022-07-31 19:04:27 +0000 UTC
that man needs far more than love lmao
ApexusTime
2022-07-31 19:00:49 +0000 UTC
Carolina@ Connie reacted like that because Annie love sweets? Doesn't make any sense. He reacted like that because for a moment there, she reminded him of Sasha.
Ivan Haji
2022-07-31 18:24:25 +0000 UTC
I love how you can see how uncomfortable Ange feels during the whole episode.
Kolton Nay
2022-07-31 15:57:47 +0000 UTC
That the pattern of the bullets is akin to a chess play?? Because it is. A knight can move like that
M.N.
2022-07-31 14:13:10 +0000 UTC
No, because it reminded him of Sasha
DJ
2022-07-31 14:09:24 +0000 UTC
Plenty of people on both sides of the divide. I'll reserve my own opinion until the end episode.
Zyrus
2022-07-31 12:33:29 +0000 UTC
Yes yes, I know what you meant! I was only talking about Sardinia-Italy distance and the fact that Marley could be totally be Italy. Chill
Carolina
2022-07-31 10:54:28 +0000 UTC
Oh my god im just giving them an easy comparison in terms of distance not actual cuisine or any other shit. Carlie mentioned that she thinks it would take months to travel to marley so I was correcting her
Sean Carroll
2022-07-31 09:45:12 +0000 UTC
Her explanation doesn't even make it make sense tho
Kailey Coffel
2022-07-31 08:54:54 +0000 UTC
Glad to hear it! I'd like to think that despite the consistent disagreements in the Patreon space, we all keep it civilized (for the most part) :D
Gabriel Barott
2022-07-31 08:40:08 +0000 UTC
This man needs some love!! <3 ;__;
AzukaLockheart
2022-07-31 08:28:11 +0000 UTC
They should have brought my Reiner breakfast in bed, geeez! I would have done it.
Cappuccino and croissant and we can go 😎
Carolina
2022-07-31 08:08:20 +0000 UTC
No, because Sasha said that she heard that Annie loved sweets even if she’s always grouchy
Carolina
2022-07-31 07:59:54 +0000 UTC
No, it’s more like Paradis is Sardinia and Marley is Italy 😂😂 (in the map it doesn’t look like Italy, but Marley is Italy 100%, the buildings, the food, “Niccolò” is an italian name too and he cooks, “Marley” is pronounced like “Mare”, that means sea in Italy, and even “Liberio” seems an italian name for a town (“Lago” too). It really seems Italy from 20-40s’ when there was Fascism. Many other things are italian too (and german and northern europe too, obviously)
Carolina
2022-07-31 07:50:35 +0000 UTC
Thanks so much Gabriel and Amrith! There have just been some nasty name calling and other comments brought to our attention in some recent videos, but those users have been dealt with. That discussion part at the start was definitely not aimed at any of our Patreon members.
We really appreciate the kind words!
Carlie & Ange
2022-07-31 04:34:49 +0000 UTC
I am (and most likely Carlie) saying its a cool little detail
M.N.
2022-07-31 03:29:38 +0000 UTC
Also good to note that Armin, Mikasa, Jean, Levi, Connie and Hange have all sided with their ENEMIES who tried to kill them (Reiner, Annie, Pieck, etc) in order to stop their ALLY who is trying to kill the ENEMIES of the island. This is insanity at its peak.
Shemar
2022-07-31 02:49:59 +0000 UTC
First to note: there are not any number of flawless choices, in fact there are none... The story has directly and indirectly stated this on numerous occasions. This is also why Eren resorted to doing the rumbling. He never wanted to do it, he's not okay with doing it, it's clear as day that the whole situation has made him depressed......... Also, the idea of destroying the military bases is basically the 50 year plan. It is a sound plan with major flaws: To use the founding titan you need a titan shifter with royal blood, you would need Historia to give her consent to have her and her children inherit the founding titan over the next 50 years, if not you'd have to force and enslave them. Basically a retelling of Ymir's trajedy. Dominating the world with the power of the titans is what led to Eldians being hated in the first place, the world will resist and fight for their own freedom, and Eldians will still be hated. It's also risky because if Historia and her kids get assassinated then that 50 year plan is cut short or rather it would be over for them. Eren rejected that plan mostly for Historia's sake though, but it still has many flaws regardless. It's also good to note that one of Eren's aim is: to break the cycle of war and hatred. Destroying the military bases would not achieve this goal. It would only "stir up" more hatred.... Though pure evil, the rumbling benefits his people more as only the people on the island would be living which means no war and they can live in freedom.... It is also good to note that the Marlians and other people around the world want to commit GENOCIDE by killing the paradisians. It's literally genocide vs genocide. I guess you are probably thinking, "but Eren is killing more". It's kill or be killed........... The alliance is literally siding with the world to stop Eren which means that they are accepting the fact that stopping Eren means that sooner or later their beloved paradisians and island will be destroyed by the military base of marley or another country.......... Let me ask you this, if you're Eren's friend, and you see that he's committing genocide to protect you and the people of your country from getting killed off due to genocide, what would you do??? would you be okay with your race and people getting extinct, and attempt to stop Eren because he's "killing more" people??? Think about it objectively..... You're stopping eren today from killing your enemy so that your enemy can kill you tomorrow.
Shemar
2022-07-31 02:39:26 +0000 UTC
I’m not sure if you are saying that isayama intended people to view it as a chess thing but in case you are then sorry you and carlie are taking the idea way too overboard, it definitely isn’t that complicated
Sean Carroll
2022-07-31 02:16:43 +0000 UTC
That Oliver guy in the beginning. If you look at his arm the way theyre backwards at his side it seems he was dragged out into the open rather than crawling forward. Probably by Hange. She probably killed him and used him as bait to get the rider to bring her the horse she needed to pull Levi on the cart. Scary stuff.
Rick Turpentine
2022-07-31 02:10:13 +0000 UTC
Yes you are right, I was just giving them an easy comparison considering they and myself are from australia
Sean Carroll
2022-07-31 02:10:09 +0000 UTC
What Carlie is refering to is a detail meant by the writers etc for the viewers to pick up. Lots of fans probably never picked up that chess reference but it does show how anime and manga is rife with details for readers/viewers to be part of the process
M.N.
2022-07-31 01:45:10 +0000 UTC
There are more than just those two options. We could instead choose to reject the idea that these are the only two choices, and try to find a better middle ground, even if it's not perfect. As Gabi said, Eren could choose to just wipe out the military bases around the world. Or any number of other choices.
Maia Brodsky
2022-07-31 00:36:16 +0000 UTC
Isn't Marley Africa and Paradis is Madagascar though? Tbf I've never actually studied the AoT map. I just took others' word for it.
Maia Brodsky
2022-07-31 00:33:19 +0000 UTC
I always interpreted Armin’s threat to feed himself as an Erwin-like gamble, (hence why he thought of Erwin before gambling it all) and he was counting on Connie stopping him. However, his general feeling of inadequacy compared to Erwin made him willing to die in the event his gamble failed.
bruhmingo
2022-07-30 23:39:12 +0000 UTC
There is something really profound and inspiring about the team up scene at the end..when you consider Reiner’s story, continuing to fight with everything he has, watching Falco transform, Porco eaten, Eren unlocks the founding. You can only imagine what it must mean to him now seeing the youth in his care and his former allies asking him to join them. They WANT him there with them (he couldn’t even believe it) and that action on their part really connects to his suicidal state in the prior arc…really touching stuff. Excellent writing with a deep message
Based Hakari
2022-07-30 22:13:35 +0000 UTC
So what? The cart is cute. It's the only titan I would ever pet, looks like an ugly cute duck billed titan.
Amrith
2022-07-30 22:07:47 +0000 UTC
Yeah personally i watched the watchmen in like 4 different attempts and i kept falling asleep. So I'm not the right person to speak out for it:p
I only know of certain things because at attempt number 3 i just watched the ending just to see what i was failito get to :p
Cyber
2022-07-30 22:06:48 +0000 UTC
Without spoiling anything, Dr. Manhattan it is. We should recommend Ange and Carlie at least watch the directors cut of Watchmen soon, if they can't read the graphic novel.
Amrith
2022-07-30 22:05:06 +0000 UTC
Let me preface this with the fact that i do not know the outcome of the show, I'm only interacting with a direct question asked by Carlie and Ange in their post discussion around 25 mins in because i am very mindful about spoilers and i genuinely don't know the answer to my own ramblings here:
Ps: I'm not trying to steal your show host seat in shredding the evidence anw :p , I'm literally just expanding on the implications of the questions you both asked.
- Carlie: "Does Eren know and planned for this."
This is purely hypothetical based on my awareness of Dr Manhattan story line in DC comics. In fact i don't know if this supports Carlie's point of view or Ange's opposing point of view here but :
Eren is the prime representation of a person that is driven by pure will power for a single goal his entire life : being free.
Now if Carlie's right about Eren potentially wanting to be the common enemy for everyone, this would mean that in his mind, when he kissed Historia's hand, it would have dawned at him, at that very exact moment, that in order for his friends and the world to be free of this world, he would have to sacrifice his own freedom to his own predestined fate and prewritten story by non other than his future self.
The very thing he sought, his freedom? He would have to sacrifice it and have no will power of his present actions in favor of his future self's choices. A closes loop of slavery to his own fate with no freedom.
Which would make his line about "if someone tries to take my freedom from me, I'll take it from them first" a Biiiiiiig ironic "ouuff.".
Maybe that's why Eren in S4 has been more down and gloomy with his his dead hey stares and dissociation from his feelings to himself, his friends and the world? I don't know. Maybe it's just artistic choice or other reasons. Not sure.
Now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't the scene where eren and friends saw the ocean for the first time, he asked Armin "if we destroy all our enemies behind the sea, will WE finally be free?" (A scene that Armin flashed back to a couple episodes ago funny enough).
I'm wondering if at that moment, Eren was feeling the depression and the acceptance that he has to do the unthinkable, to lose his friends, to lose his freedom, to lose everything, to be a slave his to his own fate, to destroy everything he has and cross that sea with the rumbling, so that everyone else is free.
Funny enough, in Willie Tybur's theater play, he spoke of a Marlyan HERO Helios that united the world (even if the story was fake). And even when everyone thought that story was true, the world was still at war because Marlyans took credit for that and xenophobia remained.
I wonder if Eren, or isayama at least, doesn't believe that the world needs a hero to unite in peace. What if the world needed a common villain, a shared enemy, and a shared trauma, to solidify ties between those who never would have broke bread together before.
If Carlie is right then, this is a predestination-level tragic Greek tragedy for Eren to be an unsung hero because his actions will be seen as villainous, and if ange is right then deciding to go against this grand sacrifice and choosing to destroy the world for the sake of a clean slate? That would have to make Eren even more solidified as a villain with Apocalypse or Thanos 2.0 process of: "everything will be burn and all that".
Who's right? I genuinely do not know, i like and fear both sides of this coin and both would make for an epic show, and tear jerker for one side or the other.
Cyber
2022-07-30 21:50:59 +0000 UTC
You nailed it. I couldn't have said it better. @Ange we are on your side btw.
Amrith
2022-07-30 21:34:09 +0000 UTC
Reminds one of the avengers shot from the end of the first movie.
Amrith
2022-07-30 21:20:51 +0000 UTC
The reason Connie acted like that was because Annie reminded him of Sasha (the way she was eating the food).
Ivan Haji
2022-07-30 21:14:32 +0000 UTC
Yeah Amrith, I completely agree. Eren's character arc is one for the anime history books, and Ange is simply just captivated by the performance. I love that Ange is able to stay true to himself and not let others view of him change how he feels about Eren and the show.
Gabriel Barott
2022-07-30 21:12:12 +0000 UTC
I agree. In this episode Carlie nailed a question that I hadn't even thought of in my first watch. It only struck me on my 2nd watch tbh. Regarding all the "Jeagearist" comments directed towards Ange, I have no idea where this came from. My favorite character is Ereh (Eren rightly spelled, I just like Mikasa's pronunciation) for all the wrong reasons but does he make a compelling character and Ange is trying to defend that, not his actions but his character arc and it's baffling that people aren't able to get behind that. If all comments are toxic right now, I can't imagine what the last part would bring.
Amrith
2022-07-30 20:57:57 +0000 UTC
I've never been able to bring myself to think that Ange is being anything but reasonable and understanding. If anyone tries to paint him in a certain light of taking sides or if people are labeling him, it's just doing a disservice to Ange's (and Carlie's) amazing ability to dissect and digest all elements of this anime. These two are miles ahead of what I was able to grasp on a first watch. I've seen this anime roughly 10 times through, and I STILL am picking up on new things. Carlie & Ange have been able to provide these amazing perspectives and theories that I would never had thought of. These two are so insightful BECAUSE they are able to pick up on so many things and are able to be completely fair in their view of the different perspectives in AoT. I look forward to the discussions at the end of every video, because unlike a lot of channels (no hate, just objectively), these two always discuss things that I don't see anyone else talking about.
Gabriel Barott
2022-07-30 20:20:41 +0000 UTC
One of my favorite shots in the show. Just seeing everyone together again, united in purpose, giving that line. This episode did so much for my appreciation for Connie.
Jaypee87
2022-07-30 20:08:04 +0000 UTC
Thanks guys! Love your reactions!
William Francom
2022-07-30 19:47:39 +0000 UTC
Don't worry! You guys are extremely unbiased when it comes to most characters in AOT. @Ange, My favorite character is Ereh too, just like Walter White is my favorite character in Breaking Bad. You are never on board with their actions after a certain point in the show, but does it make for an excellent character arc. The best part about Ereh is that his motivations never changed, just his methods became way more drastic that made him cross the line. You don't have to like it at all but just appreciate the writing and the boundaries that it's willing to cross. @Carlie, how do you keep nailing the right questions post-show? Lmao that Jon snow reference is the best btw.
Amrith
2022-07-30 19:18:49 +0000 UTC
In context of the story, Carlie & Ange, If you were in the position that Eren is in right now.. Having to choose between doing the rumbling to protect the people you know and love since birth, or accepting the extinction of your race/people by the hands of Marley and other countries around the world, what would you have done?? I get the idea that Carlie would probably accept the extinction of people/race but I am not sure what my guy Ange thinks about this situation. I think Ange is in a tough situation right now just watching this unfold lol
Shemar
2022-07-30 19:10:22 +0000 UTC
Connie for me is one of the stars of part 2 alongside eren, zeke floch and jean
Sean Carroll
2022-07-30 18:57:04 +0000 UTC
If you consider Tasmania to be paradis island and then mainland Australia to be marley it would only take eren and the colossals a day or 2 to walk to marley and make their arrival. It would take them longer to reach other parts of the world because obviously eren is not going for just marley
Sean Carroll
2022-07-30 18:55:18 +0000 UTC
Love this episode. My reaction was close to Carlies reaction (more shouting even) at the end. Kinda relief for me. 😍Was waiting for something like this of course, especially with all the "alliance"-talk in the comments to earlier episodes. Highly appreciating your message in the intro btw.! ❤️☮️
I'm just one ahead. Guess I better hurry now.😉
MasterOfPuppets
2022-07-30 18:46:59 +0000 UTC
Ok guys. This episode got me thinking and I ended up very creeped out and disgusted...
I thought: "What if the cart titan stood up on two legs?"
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT HAVE THIS THOUGHT! YOU NEVER GO BACK TO YOUR OLD SELF!!!
Simon
2022-07-30 18:32:57 +0000 UTC
Sadly, many of the manga readers hate it. I found it awesome when I read that part.
The Plot Armored Titan
2022-07-30 18:19:58 +0000 UTC
Only maladjusted malcontents would hate such an awesome last scene, we are all people of culture and good taste here, hahaha.
David Caine
2022-07-30 18:17:16 +0000 UTC
The girl with the scarfs is Louise. Mikasa's reaction like that because she sees herself in Louise.
The Plot Armored Titan
2022-07-30 18:11:53 +0000 UTC
I'm glad you didn't hate the last scene where they woken up Reiner.
The Plot Armored Titan
2022-07-30 18:09:54 +0000 UTC
Best (non-action) short scence so far for me! 😍
MasterOfPuppets
2022-07-30 18:06:12 +0000 UTC
god i love the way you guys really digest thingsss. you really consider a lot of things that i never did on my first watch!
Coco
2022-07-30 18:02:21 +0000 UTC
cmon eren make up your mind sheesh lol
Degenerick
2022-07-30 18:01:42 +0000 UTC
I mean, the dude told her at the end of Season 2 that he’ll always wrap it around her haha. He’s giving us mixed messages 😆
Carlie & Ange
2022-07-30 18:01:07 +0000 UTC
I think you guys forgot how eren has been wanting to throw out mikasa's scarf since s1. Its not new
Degenerick
2022-07-30 17:56:43 +0000 UTC
Of course "We're gonna save the world" had to be the thumbnail! Hyyyype