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Attack on Titan 4x14 REACTION!

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Attack on Titan 4x14 REACTION!

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I understand the trauma, but everyone in the series has trauma. Think of Levi, for example. I know everyone is different, I don’t hate him at all, but to me he’s that friend that everyone has that doesn’t take advices. He rushes and doesn’t think. I hate everything Marley did, but I don’t justify Eren’s behavior

Carolina

No, I will say "we". Never claimed I was speaking for everyone anyway. The reality is I also agree with his actions because it is fiction, not real. But I guarantee, 99% of people would agree with his actions even if it was real, (assuming their loved ones/family/friends were all in Paradis Island & threatened by the entire world. Equally, his supporters would be against I'm if their loved ones lived outside Paradis.

Ivan Haji

Stop saying "we". Tons of people who like Eren and the Jaegerists also agree with their actions. Of course liking Eren doesn't mean you agree with his actions, but you're misrepresenting what actually happens when people talk about this story

Kaedjik

Now you're just saying no to say no. I don't think you understand what a spoiler is.

Gabriel Barott

An eternal teenager... I'm dead. I think people who say things like Grow up have no idea how a human experience is mentally, especially from trauma. Honestly if I was in Erens shoes I'd do the same thing. ....... SPOILER DOWN HERE...... I'd probably just hit the military tho, test run as they say. But hearing the nations call your race devils and wanting to kill you would be enough to say, so it's us or them, yea I'm choosing us. Remember the "World is Cruel " message from ep 6, Death.... I believe that even God has a way to kill. And if Eren does commit Genocide, then nature never acts in haste. Horrible but it was meant to be I guess you can say about everything that's happened.

Guillermo Rodriguez

No it's not, point blank period

Roy Saw

Yeah I support Eren & the Jeagerests. Because it’s all fiction. Eren is my favorite character in AOT. That’s all. Don’t care about anyone else in the anime. 😂

Ivan Haji

I won’t spoil, but yes that’s his goal from the beginning: freedom and kill all the titans. He surely wants his friends to be happy but his goal is freedom at all costs. It seems like an altruistic thought, but to me it’s extremely selfish since maybe he could have acted in a different way and he makes a lot of people suffer in the meanwhile, even those who he wants to protect and save. That’s why I think he doesn’t think straight and he behaves like a teenager and by instinct. You could care about your people in a lot of ways, to me he chose the worst way (sorry if I can’t explain myself, I’m italian…). So I don’t stand the “ends justifies the means” thing…

Carolina

Zeke wanted those glasses so he could read the same book again during the cart ride. How else is he supposed to pass the time?

Amrith

I believe Eren's motives have always been clear: to save his friends and his people, to attain freedom. To say he loses that ideal to fulfill a selfish goal I feel is a misread of who he is. Unless however, he does something in future episodes to make me think differently. At this moment, I don't believe Eren would do all of this for solely himself.

Gabriel Barott

Oh yeah that's all good, everyone is entitled to their opinion, art is meant to be subjective after all. And no worries tone is hard to tell in text only.

TrixieTurner

Exactly this 🙌🏻

Carolina

Plenty of adults that haven’t grown up. If you think Eren is doing it for his friends, well, I might understand why you are justifying him; but I don’t see it that way (I’m a manga reader). I still think Eren is a selfish teenager that makes irrational choices and doesn’t think straight. Maybe we can discuss it when the anime ends

Carolina

Ahh I see ok. Definitely still disagree with the incest perspective, but I get what you meant now. I thought the original comment was being highly sarcastic. Lost in text/internet translation, my apologies.

Gabriel Barott

I agree with your point. I don't think I would be brave or convicted enough to not pick the Jaegerist side in this situation. Same with if I saw a crime being committed in front of me. Pretty sure I would just freeze, no matter how much I would like to think otherwise.

lafatte24

I always thought that the ultimate moment that cemented eren as a character was when levi was telling him it's his choice back in season 1. When annie was chasing them in the forest, and levi was like go for it (re eren turning into a titan) i've often wondered if i made the right choice, trusting my team or trusting myself. eren trusted his team mostly in seasons 1- 3. season 4, eren obviously decided to trust himself only.

lafatte24

This man eren killed 2 fully grown adults at age 10 and got his newly made friend mikasa to also kill at that age and you thought my guy was normal in the head ?

DANIEL PEEDAH

Nah I wasn't accusing them, I was being serious. I genuinely liked the fact they are still holding out hope for their relationship despite everything that's happened up to this point.

TrixieTurner

absolute neanderthal chimp brain take holy shit i never thought people actually believed this incest shit. go outside bro holy

Ekubochan

Discussed and anticipated does not equate to knowing what is to come. It's still a spoiler, whether they have anticipated and discussed it or not.

Gabriel Barott

You accused Carlie and Ange of supporting an incest relationship because Eren and Mikasa have a brother/sister-like dynamic (to you). Is that not how this reads? "good to see that they still have hope for that eren Mikasa incest wincest" Sorry if I'm mistaken.

Gabriel Barott

I don't think he's an eternal teenager. There are plenty of adults who think this way, and we all to some extent in our lives use the "ends justifies the means" type of ideology. It can be as simple as sacrificing something in your life for a good end result.

Gabriel Barott

I think it's great when ppl aren't necessarily fixated on choosing a side in this but I can understand the pressure. I've seen the show so many times and I still have such mixed feelings about Eren and a few others. Though I don't think the point anymore is even who's "right" but just illustrating how individual people make choices thinking they're doing what needs to be done and other people have to deal with the consequences, and so on, and we can have complicated feelings about characters we love doing shitty things. Just like real life. But yeah I mean at the end of the day it is literally just a show and they're characters we've spent a lot of time with.

alternia though

well put. he is a well written character and I respect that but I don't actually agree with him. I think people who call themselves jeagerists usually agree with his actions.

lily whetsell

No one's against Eren as a character. Maybe some like him more than others, but I think where the most contention arises is where people are actively supporting Eren/Jaergerists actions as though they're not doing anything questionable. From a writing and development standpoint, Eren is legit one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. But I don't feel that's how the majority of the self described Jaergerists are representing. They are taking a stand on saying what they are doing is right, which I personally find to be absurd.

Jaypee87

Zyrus how can you defend Floch's actions O_O. Supporting him as a character is understandable but backing up the actions of this regime is crazy, but well, you have the right to be close to fascism what can I say...

Guillaume Delemos

Ange you're totally in denial, Face it, Eren is an absolute bastard. We've had the villain's POV from the start!

Gray

Sergio, cmon man😂🤦‍♂️

Q

Exactly. People these days act like anti heroes (not saying EREN is one)aren’t common lol. Some of the most famous and loved characters in books, tv shows, movies, video games and anime are anti heroes that do not so good things.

Q

Yea, I really feel for Eren, and understand him to a degree. But eventually you have to draw a line and think for yourself. A tragic story and character for sure.

Jaypee87

Liking a fictional character doesn’t mean we agree with genocide. You could apply the same logic to Joker, Thanos, Frieza. The list goes on. Use common sense people 🤦‍♂️.

Ivan Haji

This is what frustrates me so much. I get called self righteous because I don't like people holding guns to other people's heads and forcing to think and act a certain way. Ok, if that's your definition, I guess I am. Apparently you will excuse any action as long as it gets you to your own goal. Really stand up character there.

Jaypee87

It's the exact same thing. The only difference is it's a dictatorship that caters to your self-righteousness.

Zyrus

imo you can like a character and appreciate them regardless of whether they are good or evil. understanding there perspective is crucial and so is maintaining a neutral view. what im trying to say is its okay to love a character who is evil just appreciating the writing / storytelling is important

PepsiMan

Yeah that's my view. Well incest can sometimes extend to non biologically related family.

TrixieTurner

Good point you made Ange. Hanji & everyone else are all so quick to attack Eren, yet not a single one of them has come up with a single solution or alternative plan. If Marley ever decided to attack (we all know they would have eventually), not a single nation would have cared enough to intervene. They are where they are because of Eren. He even asked Hanji, if she had any other idea, he would be willing to listen lol.

Ivan Haji

That's your subjective morality my friend. And yes, incest means specifically relationship between family members who are BIOLOGICALLY related.

Ivan Haji

Hey Ange, good point on saying how Eren's goals haven't changed, only his methods have. One thing I asked myself while watching was "Maybe his methods are still the same? But now that we know the other side's perspective we think different." To me this show is not about sides anymore, it's just about not wanting my favorite characters to die lol

Mr Joker

Well I'm sorry but I just don't know another word that fits it. And hey that's perfectly fine man, that's your interpretation I ain't gonna argue that.

TrixieTurner

Yes, and I still think that "ends justifies the means" because he's an eternal teenager and doesn't think as an adult.

Carolina

I don't think Eren is a monster. I just think he feels that he needs to be, to attain the freedom he seeks. I think he more or less sees himself that way, but is actually just a tragic victim of his circumstances, and an extreme example of "ends justifies the means". #TeamLoveErenButStillDisagreeWithHisChoices

Gabriel Barott

Look, incest is only ever used literally. I see your point but that is just such an abstract and inappropriate way to use the word incest in this situation. If anything, their bickering is more of a childhood friend relationship for me.

Tien Nguyen

I've already seen a couple of spoiler comments in this thread alone...

Jaypee87

Wait I think there was a disconnect somewhere, I wasn't saying it's incest cause they live together I was saying it's incest cause some people view them as having a crush on each other and I see their relationship as a sibling bond. I always took eren acting that way as the kind of bickering you find with siblings especially when one is trying to be independent and the other is overly protective. You see it a lot with step siblings too. Yo what are you talking about my guy, whose accusing them of anything.

TrixieTurner

people who spoil deserve to be kicked in the a--

Carolina

Perhaps a monarchy under Historia, sure. But Historia seemed to really care about not keeping information from the people, and from what I recall was not imprisoning people at the point of a gun, or getting scouts to gang up on anyone who tolerated the 'old regime'. Historia seemed to genuinely care for the people, free speech, opened up orphanages for disabused children, etc. Don't tell me they are they same thing

Jaypee87

Ange isn't accepting the fact Eren is a monster now, ahahah :D Anyway, Eren isn't my fav character, I find him an eternal teenager, I imagine him being alone in his room listening to My Chemical Romance or Simple Plan while crying, don't know why. He would be a perfect emo kid from 2007. He's changed but hasn't changed a bit, he's a child, he gets angry and makes irrational decisions. Poor Carla, if she were alive... she should beat the crap out of him.

Carolina

As if Historia's government isn't a dictatorship in itself. At least Eren's dictatorship is actively working towards something, seemingly.

Zyrus

Sure, you could say that they had a sibling-like relationship, but they are not siblings. Let's say that there was actually no evidence to conclude that Eren and Mikasa are more than platonic. Them living together is still not enough to say that it's incest. Considering they both never really explored their feelings for one another, it's not convincing that they are simply brother and sister. In addition, Eren has gotten upset with Mikasa on a number of occasions for treating him like a person in his family that she needs to protect. Please don't make baseless and unnecessary accusations about Carlie & Ange.

Gabriel Barott

The closer you guys get to the end of the season, the more spoilers you're going to get because the fan base is so passionate about what's going on. Beware the comments! Thanks for the lovely reaction you two. One of my favorite episodes because of how shockingly nonchalant it was, like season 2 episode 6.

Bryonna Yates

The anime is following the manga, but please don't spoil!!!

Carolina

Floch and this whole Jaegerist coup attempt are so exemplary of how fascist dictatorships operate. Get in line, follow us, or be imprisoned or executed. Yea, don't like Floch at all. Don't care how "well written" he is

Jaypee87

Stuff that has been discussed and anticipated ? Yea sure. There's only ONE major spoiler but they won't know what IT is

Roy Saw

Man that Armin/Mikasa/Eren convo really hits me every time I watch it. Imagine if all of them at 10 years old would've seen how it was right now, they wouldn't know how to react and wouldn't believe it. Also everything you guys said about loving Eren but not supporting his actions currently are where I am with him to. No matter what, I love him and all our main characters. Thank u guys again for the great discussion ^0^ <3

Monii

Guys wtf 😒

Jaypee87

It's not as uncommon a view as you think, a decent chunk of people viewed them as having a sibling relationship since the start of the series.

TrixieTurner

Uhh it does have spoilers.

Mason Bradford

Agreed

Roy Saw

Mikasa only lived with them for about a year. And from nearly the moment Eren & Mikasa met they had little crushes on eachother [context clues there]. They are not siblings. Stop pushing this narrative it's weird lmaooo

Monii

And the ending, with subtitles, it’s great!

Bambina

Make sure you react to the Opening to the second part of the season. Many will say it's full of spoilers but it doesn't have anything that hasn't already been discussed or anticipated. If you choose to not watch it at least record your first time listening to the song

Roy Saw

You can't be serious. This is a really weird take.

Gabriel Barott

No, they lived with his parents for a year at most. The rest was as Scouts, where they lived with other people too. Also, Grisha did that because he is a parent and older than her, of course he’d take care of her as a kid, not like a random adult person. And non of that means Eren sees her as a sister. In fact, he doesn’t, and has told her many times he isn’t her little brother

Bambina

They lived together for over half a decade and Grisha saw her as his daughter, he raised them both like his children.

TrixieTurner

They lived together for like half a year, they are not family in that sense, living together doesn’t make you a family, otherwise there would be a lot of relatives in this world…

Bambina

@Trent sure mate I’ll dm you when I get back to my pc

Jonathon Elkins

They were raised together like siblings, blood ain't what makes family trust me.

TrixieTurner

They are not related.

Draga

It's good to see that they still have hope for that eren Mikasa incest wincest after everything that's happened this season.

TrixieTurner

I'd like to bite and respond, but the only way to do it properly is to get in to heavy spoiler territory, if you remember when Carly and Ange get up to date and comment or msg me I'll respond then. Do love picking peoples brains when it comes to AOT

Trent_88

I'm honored ❤️

Sammie

Not Levi at this point

Vitaliy

Yes Eren fkk them up lol!

Sparky

I really really wish you guys wouldnt read the comments. So many are leading you on towards certain thoughts about characters and are horribly unsubtle about events to come. The reaction would be so much better if you werent being primed and lead on by your comments. I know it feels like you arent but you definitely are. Please stop reading them and enjoy the show on your own until after 19-21.

D

IMO the best trio of episodes in the series above 4x5-7 and 3x16-18

Jonathon Elkins

People that really hate on the Jeagerists think simply being on the side of "moral righteousness" is all that matters. But when you're facing extermination and your enemy is the ENTIRE WORLD there is no longer time for peaceful negotiation. It's like Zeke said, the Jeagerist opposition's mistake was thinking they had time and options when they had neither. Floch definitely takes the power trip too far, but his motivations are honorable and for the purpose of securing the lives of his people. The coddled mind's first instinct is to recoil at Floch's "my people vs their people" rhetoric and chalk it up as deranged nationalism, but it goes a bit deeper than that when the stakes are this high. If there's any disagreements, and there always is on this topic lol, I'd be happy to read what other options people think there are here. Because as far as I can tell the ONLY option for Paradis's survival is to fight back.

Jonathon Elkins

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The Plot Armored Titan

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The Plot Armored Titan

They have no idea how massively shocking it is. Considering if the anime ending follows the manga.

The Plot Armored Titan

So many butthurt comments for one picking a side and we all know they're not caught up to the manga/anime. Sometimes you do wonder if people sub to other channels to amuse their own ego of who's good and who's bad, guess what? Doesn't matter cause clearly this is exactly what Isayama is trying to do, whether you agree with him or not. I suggest going back to season 3 and listen to what Eren Kruger tried to say about truth.

Cation

This here, is so true and it feels like many are missing the point. Erens conviction is scary sometimes lmao

Cation

Remember, everything and everyone who's been introduced serve a purpose in this story.

The Plot Armored Titan

Ksaver is not a new character. He was there in the last two episodes of season 3 hugging kid Zeke. His appearance back then was so little to be noticed.

The Plot Armored Titan

It was your comment! We forgot to ask for permission so we didn’t name drop! ❤️❤️

Carlie & Ange

Eren’s goal since the beginning has been freedom. Since finding out he only has a few years left to live, do you think his goal has remained the same or changed? Is there a point fighting to be free when he will die soon anyway, or is there something else pushing him forward?

Ivan Haji

Ahhh I need y'all to catch up and finish part 2 already 😭😭😭 great reaction and discussion as always 😊

Val

Same 😭 I'm a manga reader and because of how intense/heartbreaking each chapter was I couldn't even watch all of s4 part 1 let alone part 2! Whenever a chapter came out I'd spend the whole week crying and venting to a friend, when it all finished I stopped watching/reading anime/manga for months😭😭 Now I'm reliving it all over again lol

Sammie

On the whole Ackerman thing: I don’t think Levi was necessarily drawn to Eren as a “host” to protect. I would say that Erwin would more so fit into that category; same with Kenny and Uri were kind of that pair for each other. Also, I really like how both of you seem to have taken different sides when it comes to Eren. That’s what I love about your reactions, it’s that no matter what both of you always try to look at things from both sides. It always irked me a little when fans blindly defend one side over the other and failing to see how both sides could be a possibility, so I appreciate you guys being so open minded about everything.

Enrico Gratzer

Was that my comment at the start of the video🥺❤️❤️❤️ I didn't believe a word Eren said in this episode due to the fact that we know his character too well, it would be a shame for him to suddenly become a totally different person! But still, that was a brutal scene with the trio 😭 I love your discussions as always, you have good insights into their characters! and please feel free to express your opinions, we're here to see your genuine and honest reactions.❤️

Sammie

Hi Carlie and Ange. Season 4 is my favorite season. HOWEVER it drained me emotionally. S1 through 3 was mostly fantasy, but mannnn, this season is tackling some heavy topics that I needed to take a break . This chapter broke me, and the next ones are not going to be any different. I remebered that after AoT I needed to see Parks and Rec, The office or friends just to feel good again lol

Víctor G.

Remember this same Eren cried and begged Levi to save Armin instead of Erwin.

Er Zou

Remember Eren has always made emotional, reckless, and irrational decisions.

NissanZaxima

Petition to watch 19, 20 and 21 in one sitting😎

St Patrick Brown

Well said Ange about how Eren's motive never changed but his methods did. One interesting thought I would like to put forward is that perhaps Eren's method have not changed either. It's just that the enemies changed from titans into humans.

KOOAH

Lawyer Ange: tasked with defending his client Eren Yaegers actions to defend eldia. That’s what the discussion segment should be called

Sean Carroll

Ive said before and ill say it again pliz dont feel pressured to like or dislike a character based on what the people in your comment section say...If you want to love Eren go for it dont feel bad that you are gonna get attacked in the comments.Ive loved Eren from the first ever episode and that will never stop Ill always support him, if you feel like doing the same then pliz do. ALSO there is another legendary trilogy of episodes coming soon so better prepare yourselvess!!!

Victoria💄

19 20 and 21 is the last legendary trilogy, please consider watching in the one sitting

Sean Carroll

Did you realize up till this point, if you backing up Eren meaning you support Zeke and against Levi? If Levi vs Eren ever happen who do you think will win? 😆

taengsicle unbreakable

Mikasa: “why would you do all of those things? This isn’t you” Eren: “Do you see the black airforces I’m wearing?” Armin: Punches eren Eren: “I bite chunks out of my hand for a living, that punch was nothing”

GB3

I gotta say this episodes name fits so well. So much Savagery

Zeli

Petition to react to episodes 19,20, and 21 back to back when the time comes! Another trio of excellent episodes imo

Kevin Franco

This episode is interesting because Eren claims to hate those who aren't free, yet is a slave to his own ideology, his path that he's chosen. It's very reminiscent of what Kenny said to Levi before he died in season 3 episode 10: "Everyone... was a slave to somethin." Per usual, absolutely loved the reaction! Excited to see the rest of PT1 :D

Gabriel Barott

I definitely think Eren didn't mean all those things he said to Armin and Mikasa ... But he still said them.

Martina

“So when they finally kiss, it will be massive.” Carlie spitting facts again.

Ecilla

Prediction - Ange enters something of a 'I'm not sure if I'm a Jaegerist' phase.

Maia Brodsky

Lots of loose units in this show

Moe Abd

I waited for this episode so badly. And I feared it.😱 To bad it will take some hours before I can watch it😪

MasterOfPuppets

eren is a savage, cus he keeps moving forward 💪🫡

Degenerick

Stuff just gets better and better 😂

Ciaphas Cain


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