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A couple months late on this, but since I didnt see anyone talk about it, George this is for your curiosity. Hindi seems to be very similar to Chinese convention. Separate words for Grandparents on either side. Grandparents siblings we used to add the Hindi word for "little" or "bigger" depending on age. Same deal with aunts/uncles depending on whose side of the family theyre on. I don't think I've ever used words to distinguish between cousins. Youd just call them by their name, or the generic word for "brother" or "sister" if they were older, to show respect. My younger sister, for example, has never called me by my name, and we're now in our 30s. There's also distinctions for in-laws, again depending on the side of the family. To simplify everything we do, in spoken Hindi, just refer to anyone who is younger by their name, anyone who is older, but in your general age range, by a generic word for "brother" or "sister", and anyone who is elder than that by their relation to you. First names are okay to use as long as you follow it with their "title". Uncle Bob for example haha. And finally for people not related to you, but those who are older, lets say your parents friends, you would just call them "uncle" or auntie". Also true for people who are slightly older to you but not by much, you could just refer to them by name or "brother/sister" depending on what theyre comfortable with.

Chints' Miniature Mistakes

In Welsh we don't have a specific term for Mother / Father's side. Its just: Mam(Mother) Tad(Father) Modryb(Aunt) Ewythr(Uncle) Mam-gu/Nain(Grandmother depending on the region) Tad-cu/Taid(Grandfather depending on the region).

Lewis Ward

George, with English - at least in the USA - it depends on ethnic group. I can say that for Italian Americans, everyone is a cousin. First, second, third, or some cousin’s uncle…. Everyone is just cousin this or that. Funny because when my uncle (actual uncle) went to visit the family back in Italy, he told me the actual cousins in the family called each other “fra” (short for “fratello” = brother)… so there, at least in the region of Abruzzo, cousins call each other brother, but a shortened form of it.

Bill B.

in punjabi we have it specified for aunts and uncles - on my dad's side we call his older brother different to what we call his younger brother and the same applies to who their wives, BUT on my mom's side we've only got one word for uncles regardless of whether they're older or younger.

SANAMDEEP

Yes we always just called my Swedish grandmother on my father’s side Farmor

Andrew

In swedish we specify on what side the grandmother or grandfather and also uncles belongs. But if u talk about great grandparents or cousins there is the same way as in english were we dont specify. Its one of the flaws in the english and swedish language that i often think about.

Hugo Bovenius

I'll break down a weirdness I noticed recently in familial naming. "Sister-in-law", according to Britannica, can mean either the sister of your husband or wife, or the wife of your brother. You can instead say these, and not only are they more specific, but the first is the same number of syllables, and the other two are one fewer syllable each: husband's sister wife's sister brother's wife This also handles modern relationships better. Britannica left out: sister's wife ...which is also a syllable shorter than sister-in-law. It all holds up as well on the brother-in-law side: husband's brother wife's brother brother's wife brother's husband

Gary Fixler

Andrea died in BB and she didn't do anything to anyone. I kinda see Howards death here the same way. Tragic end for a character that didn't deserve what they got. Even if Howard was more unlikeable at the beginning you really start to feel for him towards the end.

Daniasaurus

Everyone said it below. Howard was the sacrificial goat, he was the final push over the edge for everything to final happen before breaking bad. It wasn’t just Jimmy Breaking bad like Breaking bad the cost of actions has cascade effects. RIP Howard

SpankTheMonk

you know whats really weird? your inability to consider that theyve had seconds to process what they saw, you have the benefit of possibly years of hindsight. hell you had more time to type this out than they had time to process. but to then break down their initial thoughts as if its some well constructed, thought out speech is really weird. theyre giving emotion thoughts and responses, literally 10 seconds after it happened.

robodong

I am sure someone already mentioned it somewhere, I did not see it nor have I finished reading the comments, regarding the cockroach, or La Cucaracha. Back when Kim went to see Lalo for the first time in jail to try to get info about Jimmy's whereabouts (he and Mike were wandering in the desert), Lalo ascertains that they "love" each other, like a psychopath or alien studying human emotions, and then reassures Kim that all they can do is wait for him to turn up, if Jimmy was dead it made no difference if they make an effort to try to find him or if he absconded with the money. Lalo says Jimmy is like "la cucaracha," a born survivor. The roach in the drains gave him the idea to go see Jim and Kim, and it leads to Howard's unfair, unjust, unforgivable demise. What a great fucking show, it crushed my soul, my hopes, my dreams, what more could one ask of modern art?

David Caine

I didn't see Howard's wife as cold and mean during their interaction. For me she seemed polite but distant, like she has already mentally given up on the relationship in any meaningful way. I don't think Howard was cheating because she would likely be much more hostile if he did. I think the likely reason for the current state of their marriage is HHM. Howard seemed like the kind of guy who devoted much of his life to the firm. This likely came at the expense of his marriage, which is also likely why Chuck's marriage failed. Sometimes people drift apart and love simply isn't enough to bring them back.

Adam Vialpando

Lots of people don't seem to understand why Eladio wouldn't be happy with Gus' lab. Gus is currently buying his meth FROM the cartel. Eladio would immediately understand that the lab is a power play by Gus to cut the cartel out and possibly take their place. Which is exactly what Gus did in BB.

Adam Vialpando

"The Zafiro Añejo Tequila is not a real product, sadly." I wonder if Vince & co ever considered starting a high-end tequila company and making it real

Angzarr

Astrology for men , Oh my lord that was funny 😂

LazyBoy Stays Up Late Watchin Video Tapes

for "Sides of the family" reference, we can use Maternal and Paternal in US english, we are just often lax or informal like that

LazyBoy Stays Up Late Watchin Video Tapes

The last episode reference The Dark Crystal. A great recommendation.

Jonathan Eaton

Agreed. Rewatching the series has also changed my perspective and has helped me understand some of these plot threads better than on first watch, like these guys.

PIG

its funny how people neglect the money part of the sandpiper case as an important reason for them to do what they did.

Ren

First we lost chuck, actually

Ren

"i'm not crazy! i know he swapt those numbers! i knew it was 1216! One after Magna Carta!" "i'm not crazy and i'm not on drugs, [...], he must have showed me once in the photos, and switch them after i left the office!"

Ren

Intersection of Howard and the cartel...refusing to stand up to Chuck to deny Jimmy access to HHM. Bad decision road. Doesn't matter what the driving force behind the decisions is. Bad decision road.

lisa

Howard = privilege. There's tons to say about it, but "deserve" is a central concept in all of Gilligan's work.

lisa

Hey guys- You mentioned liking the BCS theme in the first episode of this trifecta. The band who does the theme is called Little Barrie and they have full length versions of the title song as well as the end credits song, not to mention their other original material.

Kevin McCarthy

Well, the farmer and his wife were also killed because Lalo had intentionally and secretly set up the farmer to be his body double if he needed it. That's why Lalo had his own dentist help him out (with the dentist secretly matching the guy's teeth to Lalo's), and then convinced him to shave when he actually showed up. That guy was always an unwitting pawn for Lalo to use, so it's even worse than just being random.

Tyler Foster

tbr schmitt and spartan and pudgy both recently reached episode 7 also. it's interesting how Howard's death reactions differ from other deaths on BB/BCS. but I think all 3 channels talked about how they didn't want a season 6 with Jimmy and Kim going after Howard (and I recall feeling the same way). but it is very much part of how this show goes from here.

Chris

Obviously, there's still more show to go, so how you feel about what the writers were doing in the grand scheme of things may change by the time the show is over, but one thing I would throw out there is that many people still liked Walter White by the end of "Breaking Bad," even though the show went to great lengths to illustrate how he was a villain. So to some degree, I think hating the way Jimmy and Kim treat Howard is the point. You should feel bad! The writers want you to feel bad, and are intentionally leaving the viewer no escape from feeling bad. On the flipside of this, I also think that in Jimmy and Kim's mind, the Howard thing is not *as* bad as people seem to think it is. Who knows how it would have actually played out, since so much of "Better Call Saul" is about how the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and Jimmy and Kim's intentions here aren't even good, but I think in their mind, everything they were doing with Howard has the safety net of Howard's actual innocence. His reputation will take a hit in the court of public opinion, but in his immediate circle, Howard can simply prove he's not on drugs with a simple test. They're probably also thinking that there are arguments that closing the Sandpiper settlement will be a good thing for the elderly clients, even if I don't think Howard is wrong to think they can get more and that their clients deserve more (and not in a way that makes him heartless toward the seniors, as many people below have argued -- there is no question in my mind that the writers believe you should think everything Howard is doing is above board; he has his faults, but he is not a morally ambiguous character). Obviously, they know this will fuck him up a bit, and seeing him in that meeting with the judge is painful in its embarrassment, but I think if one takes a step back from the whole situation, one can understand the argument (whether they agree with this interpretation or not) that what Jimmy and Kim are doing to Howard is also just an elaborate prank. A cruel prank, which will extend beyond the relationship between Jimmy, Kim, and Howard, but also not something that -- in theory! -- physically harms Howard in any way or costs him money, and again he can protect his job and personal relationships with the truth. Because he dies, it's true that Howard's reputation is destroyed, but there's a case to be made that even if he'd be in a bunch of shit he didn't deserve and it would be an uphill battle, he would have recovered otherwise, going on the offensive against Jimmy and Kim -- and I think there would be enough awareness of Jimmy as a long time huckster that his offensive would've been reasonably effective, especially if Howard had Clifford Main and Kevin Wachtell on his side.

Tyler Foster

They were on the verge of getting Schweikert and Coakley to give the Sandpiper residents more money, that was what the whole mediation process with the judge was about. Neither Howard or Cliff were trying to draw it out. If the mediation was successful, it would not have been much longer for the residents to get their money. Kim and Jimmy never let it get to that point, because as Howard himself said, it wasn't about the money for them. Jimmy's finally at the point where new are customers lining up outside of his door, so they didn't even need the cash. You are championing the death of someone for being a bit smug and having Kim do menial tasks four seasons ago.

Brandon

I liked Howard as a character but he was by no means a saint and that was clear in that meeting where they talked about this settlement taking another two years to finalize when many of those seniors wouldn't live that long.

Athenor

hi CT, the uncovered version has already been updated to have the correct sync for the last episode. the covered version has an update coming within the hour.

George Simone

The no-sync version is so OUT of sync during the big moment. George lost it before IT happened, and Simone didn't react at all initially. I wasn't sure what was going on. Did Simone hear George freak out before seeing it too?

CT

Yeah so it's basically fun and games until someone innocent gets killed. Same with breaking bad, Walt was on a power trip same as Jimmy and Kim, they all thought themselves so smart and capable because they got away with it for so long. I think they never actually were in any control, it was only a matter of time before the untameable forces they mess and play with come and bite them in the ass. Jack and his crew are ruthless and unreasonable, Walt never controlled them and they never feared him. Same with Lalo, a person you can't reason with, doesn't show compassion, you are safe just as long as he needs you to be. Howard wouldn't have been in the way of a murdering psychopath if it weren't for Jimmy and Kim, same as Hank with Walter. Howard a lot more tragic because he wasn't even in the "game", he had no way of knowing he was in any physical danger. Poor guy, I loved his character So yeah Walt got what was coming to him, then six months in purgatory in the mountains in a cabin and then his death, after he got his revenge of course. Now all that remains is Jimmy and Kim's fate.. Hold on to your butts people, here comes the finale of the breaking bad universe🥲

elias rinis

Howard's death is so brutal and pointless. I couldn't help but think of the random farmer and wife who helped Lalo, and then he killed them because they knew he was alive. We didn't know them long enough to care, but we got to know Howard that's why it hits so hard. Great show great writing.

megamoo chilli

I get the sentiment and it was quite the shock. I think the Howard thing was more the result of Kim's trajectory and showing that she's not the saint she was portrayed as when we first met her. Howard and Kim are like communicating vessels, when Howard turns out to be much more of a nice guy it simultaneously results in Kim getting 'pegged down' a few notches. Just like Jimmy, she is infected with the talent to destroy the things around her. The audience needed to realize it, and unfortunately they hammered hit home with Lalo's talent of killing and laughing right at you. I'm interested to see if their opinion will change after the show ends, we'll see.

Maarten Martens

Lalo and Kim sounds like a wonderful team-up! Ah well, maybe in another life.

Maarten Martens

Is it TBR Schmitt? I love their reactions, it's great to see people riff off each other.

Maarten Martens

So, if anyone is familiar with Vince Gilligan saying Chuck's breakdown on the stand in "Chicanery" is like Bogart's Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny"... this is the other "Caine Mutiny" homage. Howard's drunk truth-telling to Jimmy and Kim comes directly from that film, as well -- it's the show's version of Barney Greenwald's drunk dressing-down of the people he just go off on the court-martial by tearing down Queeg's reputation. It's arguably the climax of the film -- maybe one of Jose Ferrer's finest moments. (And, as an added bonus, the thing that happens to Howard right after does NOT happen to Barney Greenwald.)

Matt Blanchette

Jessie Ennis, everybody's favourite nepobaby.

Matt Blanchette

It was not the boxing scene -- it was the scene immediately after Lalo shot Howard. This is known because Lalo's actor was on the set when it happened.

Matt Blanchette

Under AD&D's alignment system I think Kim would fall under Neutral Good instead of Lawful Good, while Howard and Chuck would be more Lawful Neutral or even Lawful Evil. Jimmy/Saul I see wavering between Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Good.

Deadly Ramon

I can't wait for them to eventually react to Sopranos and Sons of Anarchy. They have their dark elements, sure, but also have a humorous side, and not just dark humor at that.

Deadly Ramon

I don't see Howard as a saint throughout this series, but rather as a piece of shit who got what he deserved. Not just because of his arrogant treatment towards Jimmy and Kim (like relegating Kim to doc review despite her consistent hard-earned achievements and treating Jimmy like a peasant just because he encouraged Howard to resolve the Sandpiper case rather than prolonging it indefinitely), but primarily because he conspired with Clifford Main to draw out the Sandpiper case knowing that many of the elderly plaintiffs didn't have much time left, all while pretending to be their champion who had nothing except their best interests in mind. I enjoyed seeing him brought down a few pegs and ultimately destroyed after he stubbornly dismissed the final good advice that Kim provided him in Lalo's presence. I know the channel's hosts regard Howard the way the show's writers intended, but I'm on team Jimmy/Saul despite that. Nevertheless, I enjoy experiencing the reactions and insights of George & Simone and look forward to many more of them, both for what remains of Better Call Saul and for future (and backlogged) movies and tv series.

Deadly Ramon

“What do we say to the Lord of Death? ' 'Not today.” As mentioned in this thread - thanks for clarification- the execution scene is where Bob O almost and did die for a short while. But thank goodness for his family and us he survived. 🫶🖖 he said that his training for Nobody and Howard actor’s quick action. Lalo is literally a handsome devil 😈 yeah good call Simone on her mom’s voice sounding like Kim. Child Kim was acting out but it backfired as you thought

SpankTheMonk

Translation please 🙏

SpankTheMonk

What is the point of Howard's storyline you ask George? This episode, the meeting of Howard and Lalo and what transpires is essentially the point of inflection of BSC and BB. The significance of this event on the character trajectories of Jimmy/Saul and Kim can't be overstated. I can't recall exactly what he said but Peter Gould points to this moment as one of the most significant moments in the BB/BCS universe. So in short, this storyline is paramount to both shows actually. I could be more detailed but don't want to spoil the amazing finish to this all time great show.

Jay S

如果我记忆没错的话我们那里叔叔和舅舅是两个东西，叔叔好像是父亲的兄弟，舅舅是母亲的兄弟？（似乎还有伯伯的说法但是我基本上没叫过）如果是父亲的女性姊妹的话也有姑姑和姨妈的叫法:）

维他命橙

The actor who was pretending to be the judge is John Ennis. He was in the main cast of Bob Odenkirk and David Cross' HBO sketch comedy show "Mr. Show" in the late 90s. He's also the father of the girl who plays Erin.

Starman Deluxe

I’m watching one other reactor, who just made it to this episode as well…and I swear, I wasn’t sure they were going to move forward they we so mad! It’s an f’ed-up situation, but great television.

CD

Somewhat similar to how Nacho went out in that way.

Brian Sittler

Some of these comments.... I think George and Simone know they weren't supposed to enjoy Howard's death, guys. We've had a few years to process this. They had a few seconds.

Brandon

This is the most succinct and to-the-point summation of this storyline and the writers' intentions. You put it perfectly.

sarCC

AMC had a show after Better Call Saul called Talking Saul. The show talked with the actors and creators of Better Call Saul. They made an episode after the season premier, mid season sometimes, and season finale. One of the things they mentioned was the picture where Howard's brains were splatted on is the picture with all the sticky notes to screw Howard over. Symbolizing all their shits and giggles is the reason Howard is dead. If none of this happen, Howard won't have any reason to show up at Kim and Jimmy's place. This furthers the Saul Goodman character. Chuck saying Jimmy hurts people and brings everyone down with him. Closer and closer to how does it all end for Jimmy McGill. Simone isn't the first person to make Pennywise joke lol. They need to make a shirt of Lalo in the sewer and Pennywise is next to him. When episode one came out where Lalo disappeared, I made up a joke that he disappeared to New York and get with Kate Bishop's mom in the Hawkeye tv show lol.

K!ll Molli

My wildly incorrect prediction first time watching this was that Kim's breaking bad arc would complete by getting hot for Lalo's charm and criminality and the two of them running off to Mexico together, explaining why neither of them are in Breaking Bad lol. This does not happen. What does happen is...stuff. More episodes. Six to be exact. Family names - my absolute best best best friend from very early childhood through high school, also named Ben, and I are uncle's of the same three kids, because my older sister and his older brother eventually dated, had kids, got married. So like now we're family, which still to this day is bananas to me, like wtf. But there's no family term. It's like hey there other co-uncle Ben, for which there's no familial term, remember when we would spy on our older siblings making out then throw water balloons on them, haha

Ben

I was devastated when Howard died.

CarolynK

George, I would say that because they did this to Howard instead of someone more deserving, you are not supposed to "enjoy" it, you are supposed to dread it. You said in BB, bad people acted against bad people, but right at the end, Walt was going against Hank. He was willing to threaten him and maybe ruin him with the video explaining Hank was the big drug lord. And that was not "fun". But is the last piece in both cases that makes you feel: I do not like this person anymore, he is just too evil. You knew it, now you feel it. And is also another step of becoming worst for Jimmy. Remember, when we met him in BB he advised Walt and Jesse to kill Badger in prison. That is still far from present Jimmy in BCS.

Bertrand Belisle

The Howard plotline is the main storyline really. It's the storyline on which the morality of this universe pivots, and it has massive implications going forward. In many ways it's the line in the sand between BCS and BB. Howard's arc from Season 1 to 6 is one of the best things in the show IMO and one of the things I appreciate most on rewatching.

Ian Tellam

Going after Howard was to get the sand piper settlement done so jimmy could get his million dollar payout.

Grand Moff Slackin'

As we get closer to the end of BCS, which has been great, there are options for short and long shows. I could recommend for the short series poll, The Good Place, given the great shows you have watched recently,(The Wire, Breaking Bad, Severance, BCS) have been darker, it might be an appreciated alternative similar to Ted Lasso

John

I only speak of smattering of Spanish but raised with English. If there are any particular words differentiating paternal or maternal grandparents other than "paternal" or "maternal," I’m unaware of it. That said, my paternal grandmother was “Grandmom” to me, my sister and all my cousins. Grandfather was “Pop-Pop” to all of us. My maternal grandmother was “Baba” to everyone in the family, children and adults alike. My maternal grandfather died when my mom was 18 so I never knew him, nor did any of my cousins or sister. For the most part, all the children in the extended family calls Aunts and Uncles “Aunt Kay” or “Uncle John” even now that most of us are grown and older now. And for “Aunt” it’s “ant” for everyone on dad’s side. Everyone on my mom’s side says “awnt.” So anyway, for Episode 5: It was fun watching how long it took you guys to see what was happening with encasing the ruler in in the Lucite (not resin). I thought the German song and the German inscription would have been more of a hint but you got there in the end! A vacuum machine is used to remove the bubbles. Note that Michael Mando (Nacho) was credited here and in episode 6 and 7 despite not appearing in the episodes. George, residential doors, and any door that needs to be secured, almost always open inward. Having hinges inside means they cannot be pulled out and the door removed from the outside. Gus pulled up pant leg to look at ankle holster, perhaps to see if it was visible through the fabric. Leon Spinks was a boxer who defeated Muhammad Ali in 1978. Margarethe's house in "Germany" was filmed in Albuquerque with visual effects added to make it look like it was in Germany: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeO9QUVvLd5/ Episode 6: The Zafiro Añejo Tequila is not a real product, sadly. Episode 7: That was indeed a truck stop convenience store with the pay shower. You can see a tractor trailer parked out front as Lalo enters. It appears that Lalo is hiding in a storm sewer for carrying away any rainfall and not a septic system/sanitary sewer. If it were a waste sewer it would be wet as it would constantly be in use and you could smell it from above with the open grates. I doubt it smells all that bad down there. As Sherry the makeup artist tells Jimmy, she is costumed as Kira the Gelfling who is a character from the movie "The Dark Crystal" (1982) directed by Jim Henson and Frank Oz and you both should definitely check it out. Cary Anderson (Sam Song Li) could be adopted or have a non-Chinese father? Or his family anglicized the family name? Not sure how this is confusing... Jean Effron who plays Irene was born in 1932 but it appears she didn't do any TV or movie acting until 2004. Jimmy and Kim are watching the movie "Born Yesterday" (1950) directed by George Cukor and starring William Holden and Judy Holliday. It's a romantic comedy. I haven't seen it nor know anything else about it but it seems to be well-regarded and is preserved in the National Film Registry in the US. A lot has already been said regarding Howard but I'll just add that I think Howard was brought back to be a particularly sad victim of the depths Kim and Jimmy stooped to.

REDR58

Poor Howard getting the Chuck treatment. And no he didn't deserve any of it. At least he called them out before he died.

MarisoL

All I'll say is, Howard's death does have a ripple effect. You'll see in the last six episodes. And just think, Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad was a funny character, but if you really stop to think about him as a character aside from his jokes, he's an awful, awful person. Some messed up stuff has to happen to someone smart enough to be a legit lawyer to send him on that path, and I feel like the last two seasons of this show in particular do a good job of showing that.

Matt T

I don't think you are supposed to enjoy it or find it fun to watch man, but from the very start of the show it has been inevitable that someone innocent was going to get hurt because of them. You say you "wish it was someone more deserving", that's essentially what the Chuck story was, he was just enough of an asshole that watchers didn't hold Jimmy and Kim responsible for what they did. The death of a total innocent in Howard is essentially their rock bottom as addicts. That's why this plot needed to happen, Chuck killed himself because of their actions and that wasn't enough for them or large portions of the audience to understand how bad Jimmy and Kim are.

Ste Rawlings

Yea that ending of Howard is one for the record books. Absolutely Howard was a prick at some points in the show but NOWHERE near the level of his this be the outcome for him. But Jimmy/saul and Kim made their bed and now they’ll forever lie in it. And the monologue by Howard was 💯💯🔥🔥

Phillyman!!

Patrick Fabian was absolutely phenomenal in the role of Howard Hamlin. Howard’s death is the hardest in the entire BB/BCS universe for me. We spent 6 seasons with Howard and he absolutely did not deserve what happened to him. Wrong place, wrong time indeed. First we lost Nacho, now Howard. Kim and Lalo are the last non-BB characters left. Do either survive?

Vengeance

What Jimmy was doing to Howard before with the bowling balls etc was just Jimmy being petty. Chuck is gone and he needed someone to lash out on, and Howard represented Chuck. All of this plan with the Sandpiper case and discrediting Howard was partly they both had past grudges with Howard - but mainly getting the Sandpiper settlement money, which Jimmy has been desperate for that money a while, and it would ease the financial burden, and Kim would be able to continue to represent the less fortunate people as a public defender. They knew Howard would be okay, and come back after this, he is a very successful and as we see wealth lawyer. Stick it to the MAN and get their payday... but for all their scheming and planning, no one expected the Lalo!

Mitchell Bowker

This needed to happen for Jimmy's story; you'll understand once you have seen the whole picture.

Alan Pownall

When two Worlds collide......

Rustle Howe

i meen Real british humor..not ted lasso

jyol

a counterweight to all this American humor.

jyol

You really need to watch "the it crowd" a great british sitcom, amazingly dry and crazy...!

jyol

But let's talk about Lalo in depth, he is introduced in BB with a throwaway comment. Subtly at the end of Season 4 here, and through just a few appearances, becomes a really prolific villain. Dangerously good at tracking, figuring out the plots, and the only person to drive fear into Gus. While all other players 'in the game' are trying to survive, keep face, stay 'good' - Lalo fully accepts who he is and enjoys every moment. The friendliness is always false though, he is a proper sociopath, putting things in motion with a brutality like the Joker. I think he is here because the show needed a truly unpredictable killer, that also cannot be talked out by lawyers. To show the folly of breaking bad, going into the game without knowing who you meet there.

Philipp Roensch

Howard didn't deserve it. But it was not meant to be enjoyable. Jimmy and Kim are TERRIBLE people. Jimmy is just an asshole, Kim is an asshole but then thinks she can make up for it by doing some pro bono work, much like a billionaire will spend a few thousand bucks to make themself feel better. We fell for Jimmy McGills charisma. He sucks. He has some "redeeming" moments, but they are so few.

Thall

naaah not the same. none of those people except for Hank were main characters with full arcs. one of them literally has no name except someones cleaning lady, thats not the same as Howard. who is a fully fleshed out character. and unlike Hank whos in the game as the opposing force, whos job comes with the risk of death, Howards job and world is completely removed from all this. his death is not the same as any of those characters, its much sadder and undeserving in a different way.

robodong

George forgot about Jane’s dad, Andrea, Drew Sharp, Hank and Steve Gomez, Todd’s cleaning lady. All people undeserving of death. This is the breaking bad universe, if you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention

Adam smith

though also just remembering they mention at the beginning their wifi was off-sync or something so I wonder if that impacted it, like she saw George react before she did, lol. George did react in the video before the gun went off. :P

Jay Willis

Loved this reaction. You can see Simone seeing it coming the second Lalo shows up and the gun coming out, and instantly trying to shut down her emotions because she knows it's coming, to the point of a very delayed reaction. George reacts more like his normal self, while Simone appears to almost...not react. initially, and then fight back the tears and emotions as the credits roll. Thought it was a very unique reaction to the scene that I haven't seen before, and that's what i love about reaction channels.

Jay Willis

Seeing a lot of sympathy for Howard in these comments but i'd like to be the first to say, poor Bob!

Ste Rawlings

You can just say paternal or maternal in front of whatever you call your grandparents in order to specify which side of the family.

Ste Rawlings

Howard being not deserving of any of this makes it hit that much harder, George. And further develops our main characters. This is called “the consequences of my actions”

Adam smith

I also expected less of Howard's story the first time I saw this. But found it a welcome surprise, and really devastating how they plan and execute his downfall. I believe the tragedy is the point, it puts a dent in the relationship and really drives home consequences. Yep, Lalo thought of Jimmy when he say the cockroach, he called him "la cucaracha" before.

Philipp Roensch

I have to be honest: I'm german and in 40 years I've never learned, what exactly a Schwippschwager is. :D

Ginger

One other thing about Howard, and specifially, the actor who plays him - Patrick Fabian. Bob, Rhea Seehorn (first name is pronouced "Ray" in case you guys see this), and Patrick Fabian lived together during filming and were incredibly close. When Bob had his heart attack during the filming of this season, he credits those two with saving his life since they were the closest people to him and found him. Now, they weren't at home when it happened, they were on set. But it was during Covid and everyone was spread out but because those two lived with Bob, they could be closer to him (that's my understanding of the situation, anyway), and Bob has basically said that if not for Rhea and Patrick, he'd be dead because no one would have been around when he had his heart attack.

Jeff K

In german we do have terms for the husband/wife of our sibling. "Schwager/Schwägerin". But even better: there is also a term for the siblings of our Schwager/Schwägerin. A "Schwippschwager".

Romina

If all this happened to someone "deserving" it takes away all the tragedy. Howard doesn't deserve any of this, and that makes the drama, and the point the show is making, better.

Helly R

To say Kim deserves death and not Nacho is absurd. Nacho was in the friggin cartel and what Jimmy does in BB is way worse than any of this. None of them "deserve" to die.

Helly R

This story line with Howard made me hate Jimmy and Kim, and I think that's the point of it. It has always been a show about an anti-hero, but an extremely likable one. Watching them destroy a person who doesn't deserve it kind of debunks the excuse audiences have been making for Jimmy throughout the show, that he only does the wrong thing for the right reason. Now we see he's always does the wrong thing for selfish reasons. Nobody deserves what Jimmy has done to them. Not Chuck, not Howard, not Kevin, not Irene, not the random people scammed in bars, not his parents. And now we see just how right Chuck was about Jimmy from the start. He hurts everyone around him, and he always will.

8bitAndy

Mike was in the game. He may had tried to leave it by that point of Breaking Bad, but once you’re in the game, you stay in the game. It’s very hard to get out. Drew Sharp and Andrea were not in the game. Andrea was game adjacent, due to her connection to Jesse, but she wasn’t in the game herself.

Vengeance

I guess that whole story line is to show how awful Saul and Kim are, that they would derive pleasure from taking down someone like Howard just for the fun of it. And Howards death is the cost of their fun. They are dangerous people who both get off on that danger, without thinking about the consequences for other people

Ashton Lewis

I equate it to addiction. Jimmy gave Kim a taste, and she got hooked and couldn’t stop. I’ve seen it happen to friends and family.

Vengeance

Yeah, completely. You're SUPPOSED to feel mortified and horrified by what happened to Howard. Jimmy and Kim didn't realize just how much they were truly putting other people in harm's way, and this is their wake up call and their reckoning.

Jeff K

My wife is Belarusian. She speaks Russian and her cousins are brothers and sisters. That's all I have to offer

Michael Haug

Howard Hamlin's famous last words: "I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar!"

W_E_Ray (Dungeons-Dragons Grognard since '81)

Yeah it's the highest rated episode of the Series for a reason. I think George was just so caught off guard he can't appreciate it but given time I know he will.

Stugotz

"It wasn't fun to watch" Um..it wasn't supposed to be fun to watch and you're not supposed to like it. I doubt anybody liked what happened to Howard, not everyone gets a happy ending. Also, it's the Breaking Bad universe, people very rarely get what they "deserve". Anyway, we don't know what happened between Howard and his wife, people have marital problems it's not something new and it doesn't always have to be cheaitng. I don't feel like wriiting out a whole thing right now but you definitely need to take some time to digest it. Asking "why did this need to happen" is a weird question to ask because the show makes it pretty obvioius if you pay attention to what's happening (not saying you're not paying attention but it's easy to miss things because you're doing a reaction and sometimes your'e not focused on everything). Bascially everything Jimmy/Saul has done in his life has dire consquences for all those around him, and unfortuantely for Howard he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when one of those consequences came knocking.

Stugotz

When Kim went to see Lalo in jail, he called Jimmy a survivor, a cockroach. Welp enjoy your week.

Mike Medaugh

Howard's death was like the death of Gale the chemist, Andrea the addict, or Walt shooting Mike in Breaking Bad. At least in Breaking Bad, except for Mike and the kid on the scooter at the train heist, the people who died "were in the game"

Actuarial Lurker

Actuarial Lurker

Lalo is basically "Friendo" from "No Country for Old Men"- random agent of death

Actuarial Lurker

Actuarial Lurker

i get feeling that way towards the ending but the stuff with howard was never supposed to be something you fully rooted for, it’ll get clearer in future episodes but it’s very much supposed to be something awful and fucked up and reflect how far kim and jimmy have fallen

newhastings

This might sound strange, but from a writing and storytelling perspective, I think Howard's ending was well deserved. Of course, the character didn't deserve what happened to him - but in life, people often don't get what they deserve. Given the chain of events that began at the end of last season, his fate felt like a logical and inevitable conclusion. The moment Howard threatened to expose Jimmy and Kim, I sensed there was only one direction the story could take - I just didn't expect it to happen so quickly.

Vellu

Howard should know better than anyone that no one would believe him. Chuck knew best, and Howard did not take that serious until proven undeniably. And even then..

Thall

There are also 堂伯、堂叔、堂姨丈、堂姑丈、堂舅父、表伯、表叔、表姑丈、表姨丈、表舅父 (most of which CAN be subdivided) for your parents' various male cousins (uncles). And then similar equivalent divisions for the female cousins of your parents - which I won't list here.

Phosphorus

I don’t think you’re supposed to feel pleasant about Howard dying. I think that was the point. The closest breaking bad death equivalent is when Andrea was murdered. Unfortunately for Howard, he didn’t have a Michael looking after him like Nacho’s dad did. The biggest question I had throughout this series on first watch though was, “what happened to Kim?” she’s my favorite character.

Ray H

This has probably been said but I don't think you were supposed to like what happened to Howard. I have rewatched this show many times now and if you go back to the the beginning Chuck knew the dangers of Jimmy being a lawyer. That he was like being a monkey with a nuclear bomb.

Jeffrey Conway

George is spot on...Lalo would not sleep with her or kill her since that attracts attention...unless he HAD to avoid attention...He just wanted to know where HER house is and go there when she was out at work to get more info on the crew. If Gus found out Margarthe was dead he would know Lalo was still alive...

Actuarial Lurker

Agree that it wasn't clear but this was my take...and his wife would be even angrier given that Chuck killed shortly later...if he had killed himself while still with HHM they would have had "Buy Sell" life insurance payable to the firm to buy out his share to his heirs

Actuarial Lurker

my mother has the same expression

Guillaume Huet_rennibou

Hold on, there definitely are more granular divisions of the different uncles and aunts in "Chinese". (Although terms might differ between regional dialects.) In (Hong Kong) Cantonese, you have 伯(父) for dad's older brother(s), 叔(父) for dad's younger brother(s), 姑丈 for dad's sister(s)'s husband(s), 舅父 for mum's brother(s), and 姨丈 for mum's sister(s)'s husbands. Similarly, 伯娘 for dad's older brother's wife, 嬸 for dad's younger brother's wife, 姑媽/姑母 for dad's older sister, 姑姐 for dad's younger sister, 姨媽 for mum's older sister (although the term can be for mum's younger sister in some regions), 姨 for mum's younger sisters, and 舅母 for mum's brother's wife. But if you are looking for different types of granularity, Korean has a different term for older brother depend on the gender of the speaker (형 hyeong - from the Chinese 兄 - when spoken by a male, the famous 오빠 oppa when by female), same for older sister (누나 noona when spoken by make, 언니 eonni when by female). The usual terms for younger siblings are only divided into gender of the sibling only though. (As in "younger brother" and "yougner sister", regardless of who says it.)

Phosphorus

interesting! I lived in Finland and learnt a bit of finnish but I never realized that!

Guillaume Huet_rennibou

Yeah I don't think you are supposed to "like" what happend at the end. and I don't see it as some kind of "hey lets kill a random character to tell the viewers that jimmy is bad". But I guess this becomes a little clearer in the next episodes.

Inkpendude

Y'all most definitely need time to process, understandably so, but I'll be damned if 'Plan and Execution' isn't one of the greatest episodes of television ever made. I will never forget the experience of watching it for the first time (I was on a plane sitting next to my mom who probably thought something was wrong with me lmao). In the BB universe EVERY choice/action that a character makes has massive and unforeseen consequences down the road (the bad choice road hehe) and the snowball effect of those choices is endlessly fascinating to me.

Tori Loomis

My guess on Howard and his wife is that she is mad at him for financial reasons, since he said he had to take out loans and liquidate assets to personally pay out Chuck's 9 million dollar settlement. Don't think anything about it was ever mentioned though so I could be wrong.

catta11

Random, but your mention of Kim's negative influences reminded me of an Oscar Wilde quote: "All women become their mothers; this is their fault (as in defect). No man does; this is his."

Karl Ries

I think Jimmy's hatred for Howard just stemmed from how Chuck always sided with Howard. Jimmy always wanted what Howard had with Chuck.

LadyFinger

Oh and he also sleeps one hour and wakes up before the alarm. dude is not human lol

Inkpendude

I'm toast. That face Simone made right after "it" happened at the end was the exact expression my late mother used to make when she was holding back tears.

ShoNuff3000

Dang, Simone has the best BS detector and consistently calls out the craziest plot twists in this channel. IRL Conmen and romantic cheaters can't get one over her. Of course, if she gets it wrong in real life, she's gonna be a handful lol

Nate Gavin

So in Finland, if a man have a brother and that brother have kids, the man is setä(uncle) for his brothers kids. If a man have sister and his sister have kids, then the man is eno(uncle) for his sisters kids.

Salleban

I've seen Breaking Bad several times over at this point, but it's my first time doing a full rewatch of BCS. I despised Jimmy and Kim's actions throughout season 6 the first time around. Watching them now is even worse. Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones, The Wire... you name it. Jimmy and Kim in episodes 6 and 7 is harder to watch than anything that happened in those other shows. The boxing match is rough, because we know that Kim spearheaded the scam and not Jimmy. So "settling it like men" and "getting it out of his system" was never going to work. Then we have the knowledge that Kim is keeping Jimmy in the dark about Lalo to keep him focused on Howard. I think the flashback with her Mom is supposed to show us that Kim's always had these negative influences in her life that have been misdirecting her moral compass. Still, she made her choices. So, I think a certain chunk of the fan base that continues to blame everything on Jimmy is wrong to do so. Kim is one of the best TV characters in the last decade and there's more to her than that. Jimmy resented that Howard was in a happy place, after being so depressed and blaming himself for Chuck's death. This resentment led to Jimmy screwing with Howard with dumb pranks as usual. I just don't think it would have led to a full-on character assassination without getting that extra push from Kim.

Brandon

thank you so much for uploading 3 this week. I did not want to wait another week lol

LadyFinger

The only thing I don't like about Lalo, is that in this season he's almost like a cartoonish super agent.

Inkpendude

Great? Great-great? Big Mama? Crazy Uncle George & crazy Auntie Simone (dads side of the family, all crazy)

ShoNuff3000

Oh sht 3 episodes!?

Inkpendude

in french we use "paternal" (paternel) or "maternal" to specify grandparents side (same as in spanish). It works the same way for uncle/aunt. For cousins we usually use longer sentences. for instance "cousins on my father's side" (cousins du côté de mon père).

Guillaume Huet_rennibou

since kim isnt in BB, its natural to assume she might die, but theres also the possibility that she chooses to leave because she ultimately cant swallow all this. If the writers wanted to give her a good enough reason to step away, they did a great job

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George Simone

In Russian, grandparents from your mom's side and dad's side are called the same - бабушка/дедушка (babushka/dedushka) and you have to specify from which side they come from. There isn't even one word to call them as a unit, there's no equivalent to "grandparents", it's just babushka and dedushka. Same with aunts and uncles and to an extent cousins. The only specific language used would be to differentiate their gender. First female cousin is двоюродная сестра (basically a sister once removed), first male cousin is двоюродный брат (a brother once removed). Then, there are like a trillion different words to call your in-laws and I always forget what each of them means. I wish modern Russian had different words for grandparents from each side, sounds useful.

Ira K.

I’m on bingers on the wall tier and don’t have access to the non sync versions for some reason. Anyone else having this issue?

Kyle Peterson

For spanish we just add the word "paternal" or "maternal" to indicate if it is from your dad's or mom's side...then we just call them the same, uncle, aunt, etc.

Guillermo Antonio Ricci Alvarez