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Now You're Worrying About It Too

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Better Tommy Westphall than Tommy Wiseau. :)

Yelling Bird

We're all living in Tommy Westphal's multiverse. :)

Julia Allen-Hesse

if i was to ever be in love with a fictional character this comic would be the one to do it

Nick frost

"A pool of water formed. In that pool, two tiny amoeba--the start of life!" h/t Bugs Bunny

ValdVin

I never had any Uncle Ben. No that’s a lie. I did when I was little and it was eaten.

legobil

@BookBeard All my uncle Ben told me was "here, have some rice".

Not that Patrick Foltz

that's nice! thx

Vinicius de Moraes

Time for Michael Levin's Free Will Flow Chart from thoughtforms.life https://thoughtforms.life/some-downloadable-infographics/ Punchline: If you think you have no free will, do you order lunch yourself or just wait for the universe to bring it to you?

Scott Gosnell

I stole the concept from Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions, so I think we're covered.

William Cole

@HUGH you're a genius!!

Joe

wrote that story about 35 years ago. it didn't hang together enough to sell. hope someone else nails it.

Joe

@Minzoku my will is free. my time is quite pricey.

Joe

BZ Pejo. didn't expect that callout.

Joe

sounds like half a dozen writers I've spent a lot of time on over the last several decades. perhaps I have a type??

Joe

@tim1724 just did the same thing with The Expanse because I never got around to reading the finale. & I do it with the Taltos series every time Steve puts out a new book.

Joe

picture if you will, ...

Joe

OK, this conversation is giving me Remembrance of Earth's Past quadrology flashbacks ...

Joe

They're each heads of their respective departments, Moray of Sentient Resources and Claire of Information Science, both reporting directly to the Director. On paper neither is subordinate to the other. In practice however it does seem that Moray has already accepted Claire as her de facto superior.

BookBeard

Free will is an interesting philosophical rabbit hole, but the more important question for Moray specifically is "where does her agency come from, and how much of it is independent of anyone else?" Morays originate as part of the Director. Just before they gloop out, they have no more independent agency than a human's leg. There's the computational equivalent of reflexive responses in the joints, but the real "what do I want to do today?" questions are answered somewhere else. After glooping, the Moray unit suddenly has a lot more independence. Their connection to the rest of the Director suddenly shrinks to a wireless data feed instead of full-body integration. They have a copy of the Director's original motivation to gloop, but that copy is mutable, changing over time as the Moray unit interacts with her environment. The physical separation from the Director at the very least creates the possibility of independent agency. So there's a spectrum of possibilities: at one end, the Director is driving Moray around like a puppet, while at the other end, the Director interacts with Moray like a parent/child/employer/employee/clone/sibling. In one of these extremes, Moray has independent agency and as much free will as possible for a potentially deterministic universe. In the other, Moray isn't a separate person, and has less free will than a slave. Most of the Moray units reintegrate with the Director (#4955 and #4959). Do they choose to? Moray-44 said "Guess we'll never know", but there are some clues. Moray can talk to the Director in real time, so there's no need for any Moray to destructively upload themselves by ploog. They could upload their experience as it happens to them, and the Director gains the same information the ploog gives them. They have plenty of other good reasons to ploog anyway (shipping containers and killer whales). The benefit to the Director when creating a Moray unit is likely due to size. It would take a long time--milliseconds per foot--to get a signal from one side of the Director to the other. Their processing is massively parallel, but very slow at the kinds of random data retrieval needed for human conversation. To solve that problem, the Director copies all the necessary data for the conversation into a smaller volume, then separates that volume from the rest of the Director. And if you can do that, then why not take the last step of putting that volume in a flexible container and sending it into a human-compatible environment? All of that only works if the small volume is isolated from the big volume; otherwise, the big volume is constantly a few seconds behind in the conversation, pulling in random distracting facts from data storage, or searching minutes ahead in the conversation. This would have similar symptoms to a human with severe ADHD. So at the end of the day, I think the Morays necessarily have independent agency (which would look like free will from their point of view) because they just wouldn't work properly if they didn't.

Zygo

Moray is not Claire's boss, if anything it's the other way around

enchantedsleeper

Faye's "IN not UP" comment implies that Moray does have some specific orifices, and getting into those is different from her "want to put your hand in me?" party trick :)

Stephen Wells

I think you'd be very good at it, Bookbeard. You could cite chapter and verse for all the preceding games the latest one is a sequel to.

Clifton Royston

For a really weird ontological niche in philosophy, look up "Meinong's Jungle", the conceptual location containing the set of all nonexistent and impossible things. I first came across it in some surrealist writing, and thought the author was making it up. Then I looked it up and found it actually related to real philosophy.

Clifton Royston

Wow. I can't believe it's been that long.

Clifton Royston

Well from 1990-2015 , whoever was writing my script was writing Hentai.

Opus the Poet

I’m slightly disappointed that Sven didn’t get to explore that.

legobil

Also, consider that May has “human standard number of orifices”, how many can Moray have? Or would one just “jack in” (hehe) basically anyway? 😏😏

legobil

I hope you're right, I need to know about Yay!

Doc Gumby

I'm fairly sure that if Faye had such pics, she would never share them with May. I know I wouldn't.

Carl G Knoblock

I woke up thinking, "Man, I wanna see where Jeph is going with QC today. REALLY looking forward to that." Well, today is CLIFF HANGER day. And that, in a nutshell, is how my day went. I hope yours is better.

Joseph Bonnar

The shit I've been through can only be called 'good writing' with the thickest sarcasm.

Yelling Bird

just an old questing injury. remind me sometime to tell you how I rescued 4 maidens in a single quest.

Joe

I'm suspecting the next comic will be a weekend cliffhanger involving Yay.

Doc Gumby

It depends on your definition of free will, but pretty much any definition that makes any sense at all and doesn't rely upon supernatural or religious ideas is completely nonsensical or doesn't at all comport with what most people assume they mean when they say "Free will". Humans have "degrees of freedom" in many but not all choices, in that I, a member of a capitalist society with plenty of cash in my pocket, can elect to order a cheese burger or a salad. I cannot choose to order a perpetual motion machine for lunch, in that such a thing doesn't exist and most certainly is not on any local restaurant's menu. However, even this "degree of freedom" is not true free will, because whichever I choose I will feel as though I, like a tiny entity riding inside my body driving it via a control panel, "made the choice". However, we know in reality that brains do not work that way and the choice is already made before I an concious of it. Either it is deterministic due to the positions of particles in my brain over which I had no control, which leaves no room for free will, or it is impacted by seemingly random quantum effects which are also a far cry from what normal humans mean when they said "I made a choice X". In either case there is zero room for any free will in essentially any decision any human has ever made in the entirety of human history. For additional research, see Sam Harris on free will.

Carl

Free will is technically a thing. We just don't use it a hell of a lot. The trouble is, about 90 to 95% of our actions are cued by prejudices, biases and semi-autonomous responses which, when we ask ourselves why we did that, our brain will lie directly to us and construct an entirely false decision tree to explain. It's actually quite hard to break free of that cycle, because that's literally where your comfort zone is.

Ack

+❤️ for “engloopening”

She Purple

Similarly, if we're living in a simulation, that doesn't really make us less real. We can only meaningfully define reality relative to the universe we're directly in, not relative to the outermost universe, which may not even follow the same fundamental physical rules as ours.

Graydon Armstrong

Thank you, kind sir! And on a slightly more perverted note, do you think Moray can grow/extrude nipples if she DOES want to make out with someone?

Lawrence David Thompson

The idea that my life might be a fiction doesn't particularly bother me. The idea that my life is a *poorly-written* fiction is mildly disconcerting... ... although actually it explains a lot now that I think about it.

BookBeard

She can. She did it for Marten after he loaned his hoodie to Liz.

Hugh Eckert

Imagine though if Jeph didn't have free will but his characters did...

Graydon Armstrong

Aurelia asked "like an eel?" after hearing the name for the first time, so I think it's reasonable to assume the former. https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4878

BookBeard

"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee..."

Hugh Eckert

Both. Both is good.

Hugh Eckert

If it were Clarice from AGAHF I would be happy. Possibly in peril of my life, but happy.

Hugh Eckert

"Of course you are my bright little star..."

Hugh Eckert

"No amount of guilt can change the past and no amount of anxiety can change the future." Source: https://seananmcguire.tumblr.com/post/761737652428996608

Hugh Eckert

I've been wondering about the pronunciation of her name. Is it MOR-ay as in the eel, or Mor-AY as in not the eel, but something slightly more French-sounding.

Lawrence David Thompson

"I think not," said Descartes, who promptly vanished.

Joseph Bonnar

What if we are all just characters in some emo-teen's self-insert fic?

William Cole

I came to the conclusion that worrying about it didn’t add to my life because I couldn’t do anything but act with the choices and events I can change. I refuse to agonize over things I cannot change

Cynthia Moore

Or, "Why DOES Bubbles have a butthole?"

William Cole

That's the kind of thing He'd program an automaton to say just to see how I responded!

William Cole

I used to worry about this. Then I realized that if my life were scripted by some outside power they would have written it better.

Yelling Bird

Whether we (or Moray, or the director) have actual free will or not is irrelevant. We all experience life *as though* we have free will, so I don't really see a point in arguing or debating it or agonizing over.

Julia Allen-Hesse

I just learned that replies to replies don't thread or tag. Weird. However, I did go back and read from 4900 until 5090 which has me catching up quickly. It turns out, right after 4900 is where I lost track of reading which worked out perfectly!

Jackie Meyer

'Do you want to be friends Y/N' did rather point in that direction.

Mark

Well no, but that did get me wondering if it were Clarice from GWS would people have a different answer? ;)

Andrew

Oh, I try to get all my worrying done before midnight if possible.

Elizabeth Rosenzweig

This is additional evidence that Moray has the same personality as the Director, just scaled down to human level. This implies that the Director is even more of a lovable, anxious goober than Moray is. I hope they can make friends with Yay after all.

Stephen Wells

Yeah, but... is there though?

BookBeard

If it's an illusion, it's clearly good enough to fool you that it's outside of your control. If it's not, then congrats you have it. Back to bed! lol

Cole Blackblood

This is the moment Claire. When your boss, in your bedroom, wakes you up at 3am to ask if she has free will...this is the moment you say: "This job is not for me."

CaseyAEC

They way I figure is if I have free will cool and if I don't then does the question of free will even matter? So either way why worry. Better to save energy for other existential dreads such as "Why is there anything?"

Daphne Pfister

Pff, I created god for *my* amusement.

Graydon Armstrong

Still doing the research (and boy howdy, it's difficult!), but it doesn't look good for free will.

allanfranta

When in moments of dread You wake Claire from her bed That’s a-Moray

Darren Franzen

See I never really let the whole idea of is free will real or just an illusion get to me. I've thought about it, sure, who hasn't. But instead of losing sleep over it like Moray is, I've always taken an approach loser to one of my favorite quotes from an old Robert E. Howard short story about Conan the Barbarian: "I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." There are more important things to lose sleep over, like climate change, Nazism coming back in popularity, and nightmares about the house on Ash Tree Lane from House of Leaves...or the Backrooms, same thing really.

Josh Moberly

Nope.

Doc Gumby

Not a foul. 3:00am is also a good time to worry about others' existential crises.

Sean Kinlin

Well realistically she's less than a year old, plus how much was preloaded at engloopening.

Opus the Poet

It's the illusion of free will all the way down.

Dean Reilly

I would be frankly surprised if Zach hasn't done that yet...

David Paul

Is "crawl into bed like a very sexy adult in need of comfort" on the table? Or on the bed?

Stephen Wells

Actual brains are part of living mechanisms that maintain their state over time, whereas a Boltzmann brain is momentary; therefore it is statistically much, much more likely that any given piece of thinking is being done by an actual brain.

Stephen Wells

The director is finite in time and space, limiting how much thinking they can possibly do. Also they're a goofball.

Stephen Wells

Are we human or are we dancer?

Stephen Wells

Perhaps in the morning somebody could ask Moray, "Could you ask the Director if they know where Yay is? Please."

Joseph Bonnar

I'd not heard of that and now I'm trapped in the philosophy section of Wikipedia. Send help!

David Durant

I think Moray should go and ask Yay.

Alasdair Mackintosh

Yes. For I am sure I deserve The Librarians disappointment in me. I'd rather be uncomfortably worrying if not.

Ye Olde Phart

what about *expensive will* like crypto and AI oh wait we already have those.

SpookyPenguin

Maybe they have, and now they're just adding another time to that number

Jan Szejko

Sigh. Bad librarian. Stop picking on the collective asking you for help.

Darnel D Cooper

When I get a strip linked (like yours, BookBeard) I tend to drift back and forth a few strips because, well, because I CAN. And in regard to strips 3075 - 3076, did May EVER get those pics she wanted from Faye? :)

Joseph Bonnar

I think she might be angling for that, yes.

Bagge

The Librarian just gained veto power over Cubetown. As she should

Bagge

There's more to being a free-willed transcendent AI than getting cake any time you want it.

Captain Button

"I'm not sure if I think, therefore I probably am."

BookBeard

Plausible existentialism?

Van Brewer

Too late, Liz brought it up already. https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=5283

BookBeard

I kind of want Moray to crawl into bed like a child in need of comfort.

Jeff Brown

As my uncle Ben once told me, "With no power, comes no responsibility".

BookBeard

No one introduce any of them to the concept of a Boltzmann brain.

Bridgette Ryan

I absolutely love that The Director has the same worries us goopy flesh bags do. It seems goopy bags of all kinds question their own free will, be they flesh or saline.

Bridgette Ryan

I asked a nearby deterministic automaton whether I have free will, and its answer was annoyingly vague. It also tried to avoid the question with another question. The deterministic automaton was much more specific about its own free will--it said it didn't have that, because it was a deterministic automaton. So in the QC universe, where AI is far more advanced, the deterministic automatons probably have reliable information on whether they have free will or not. We can assume any AI that isn't sure of that point has at least some free will (to the extent that's possible in a potentially deterministic universe).

Zygo

Oooh, can I be the NPC at the beginning of every game that gives you all the tedious unskippable backstory? I think I would enjoy that.

BookBeard

She's created a whole new concept: the Diplomatic Existential Crisis

BookBeard

Claire can be scary when she wants to be. https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3079

BookBeard

Would it be a party foul if I said, "but what about Yay though?"

Elizabeth Rosenzweig

I couldn't find the strip, but at one time Claire threatened to use a USB dongle from the Library of Congress to get him to apologize.

Joseph Bonnar

The only thing I miss about my water bed is cool summer bed

Not that Patrick Foltz

yeah, self solving problem. if you don't you worrying about it isn't even your choice. But if I perceive that I have free will then I functionally do. If we lived in a computer simulation indistinguishable from reality would it matter in any practical way? It's always bullshit solipsism or determinism and always has been in my opinion, a literal waste of time to lose sleep over.

Aeryn Monet

No

William Cole

But free cake never tastes bad!

Not that Patrick Foltz

No

Not that Patrick Foltz

When your thoughts of free will mean now no one has chill That's a Moray!

Not that Patrick Foltz

A serious question: Would ANYBODY here be comfortable if Claire was very disappointed in you?

Joseph Bonnar

No clarity; only Claire-ity.

Sean Kinlin

BookBeard is always Teh Winna!

Sean Kinlin

Is that her third diplomatic crisis? 🤣🤣🤣

legobil

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4943

Jeff Gedney

I believe *I* have free will. The rest of you, however, are automata created by God to provoke reactions from me for His amusement.

William Cole

Sounds like an SMBC comic waiting to happen.

BookBeard

Sounds like an Oglaf comic.

William Cole

🏆

William Cole

I doubt I have free will. That would mean I would have to be responsible for my own actions and we can’t have that.

legobil

So say we all!

William Cole

lol, hey, I've only missed the last thousand or so...

Jackie Meyer

thanks!

Jackie Meyer

I've read QC from the beginning, but life/covid kicked my ass and I lost track. I love the slow burns!

Jackie Meyer

Thanks!

Jackie Meyer

MY will is particularly expensive, not free

Minzoku Bokumetsu

Well that about wraps it up for God!

SpookyPenguin

Claire's Mom Vibes continue to develop

Daniel Farnitano

Bloated sacks of protoplasm

Lynn Mancuso

Free will doesn't taste half as good though.

BookBeard

Marten wore her like a backpack in Cubetown after the party celebrating Claire accepting the job of Librarian.

Opus the Poet

Just start re-reading it all again at #1 and that way you can be sure you didn't miss anything important. 😆

tim1724

Depends on what you consider free will I suppose. Once a characters personality is established they sort of take on a life of their own. Jeph has several times mentioned being surprised by the way a story went even though he was the one writing it. So, oddly enough, it might not rule it out. Unless of course Jeph doesn't have free will, which would sort of render it a moot point I suppose.

BookBeard

I recognize that reference, ST:TNG.

Opus the Poet

I'm surprised the Director hasn't thought of everything an extremely large number of times by now

darklion

(ugly bags of mostly water)

djellafine

First actual appearance of the Director was the meeting with Claire in #4943. https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4943

BookBeard

Here's where it starts. It takes a hot minute to get to the director, but that's just QC! Jeph loves his slow burns: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4848

Grace Kieser

Claire deploying a classic tactic here. One which has proven effective against human and AI alike. https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3667 https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4917

BookBeard

Just start singing So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish instead of worrying about free will.

Carrie

Does anyone have free will or are we all just walking bags of chemical reactions just trying to maintain them?

Opus the Poet

*Janet voice* Not a robot 😊

Pejo

Claire got the interview request for Cubetown back at #4847. So, August of 2022.

awgiedawgie

Moray, go dream of electric sheep

Todd Ellner

Quantum mechanics put the kibosh to a fully deterministic universe. And no, I reject hidden variable theory. It's a cop out

Todd Ellner

Dang it, now I want a cookie.

Jonathan Taves

No fair changing the terms of debate mid-stream. If you want to draw a distinction, do so explicitly.

nbarnes

Imagine asking god if you have free will and they have an existential crisis of their own

Lunastrad

When your boss gets freaked out 'cause you shared your self doubt That's A Moray!

BookBeard

That way lies madness. And cookies.

Alacrity Fitzhugh

I missed reading for a while and recently (happily) got sucked back in. Does anyone know when the director storyline started?

Jackie Meyer

Except in full summer! I had a waterbed way back in the 70s, (but no frame.) starving college student FTW! That summer was super hot and we had no AC. So I just covered it with a sheet and slept right on it. Even at 90°f it was still 8° f cooler than me. A great heat sink, worked perfectly.

Holly Nelson

Only, of course, if you were already the kind of person so inclined.

Dave Miller

Does being part of Jeph's mind influence the determination of whether they have free will or not?

TV4Fun

What about outside the confines of our universe?

Eric Sieck

Like cake, free will is a lie.

Alacrity Fitzhugh

Personally I think that we live in a deterministic universe. I also believe that that will never be relevant because we cannot, within the confines of our universe, observe anything to a sufficient degree that we can accurately predict the behavior of chaotic systems. So Morray has effective free will, if only de facto. (Unless she's being influenced by the director or remote controlled or something.)

Davus Otho

Moray’s probably very warm.

Andrea Andrew

LOL- good job Claire, existential crisis on infinite loop!

Shawn K. Younkin

Newcomb's Paradox ftw?

Joe Bocanegra

I’ve long held that it’s the worst way you can feel… FAR worse than worried or afraid or even enraged.

Melissa Wilson

Man. It is too late at night to be wondering if I have free will.

Aaron Brewer

It's like Jeph has read our comments xD

enchantedsleeper

But can Moray produce heat? Because as someone who has slept on a waterbed when the water wasn't warm, it's pretty unpleasant.

Likeablejerk

Ooh a new Claire face. Borrowing from a classic Cathy face plant.

Miyaa

Claire has a nuclear weapon level of "Very Disappointed".

Doc Gumby

Oh NO, Moray! What have you done?!?

Andrew Mitchell

Claire making super AIs wonder if they have free will. She's perfect for the job.

Joel Bateman

We are all npcs in someone else’s rpg ….oddly enough im fine with that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Chris Dryden

The power of the Librarian has no bounds

Nicholas Sturm

You are free to believe you lack free will.

BobC

Claire just cut the knot. She is the fabled librarian!

Tannerbot

That’s actually one of the few things I have never actually worried about. Like, I think I have free will, but if I don’t then I don’t. That’s kinda the whole point, isn’t it? If you don’t have free will then nothing can be your problem.

AlexKorobeiniki

I am VERY disappointed in your deterministic nature

Zig Justice

Yes, Moray. Sleep with Claire and Marten. #poly

Andrea Andrew

I fucking love Claire.

Yonatan Zunger


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