a silly little chat & fathom about midnights
Added 2023-05-26 11:36:18 +0000 UTCSURPRISE bonus vid!
We were filming yesterday when some of you besties over on discord urged us to reread and refathom the Midnights foreword that Taylor included in her vinyls, so we thought we'd keep the camera on as we discussed.
This is a very relaxed chat & simply just a refathoming of what Taylor said, what she might mean, and how we see it differently 7 months after Midnights was released, with all the events that have unfolded since. And our friend Brae was with us to add her commentary :)
We hope you guys enjoy this candid video and please comment any of your re-fathomings you have below!!
Comments
Oh my God I am so sorry but you reading the inserts on midnight made me want to reread some of the inserts on my own vinyls. And I read the inside of the anthology. And there is a line that says “tried wishing on comets, tried dimming the shine, tried to orbit his planet. Some stars never align.” And I immediately thought of the karma music video where she’s lassoing the planets with ice spice. Trying to force the stars to align.🫠
Alexia 🫶🏻
2025-03-07 18:04:54 +0000 UTCComing back to this video - my hod this is some incredible fathoming!!!!
Ally ❤️
2025-02-08 03:15:17 +0000 UTCWatching this after sitting with the Tortured Poets is like a fever dream. I must have never read the forward for Midnights. I don't know why I didn't. I ALWAYS do. But this forward is truly the pre-cursor to Tortured Poets. It explains everything. Wow. I am truly fathoming now. hahaha
Leah Rose
2024-08-22 19:31:51 +0000 UTCPlz plz re-refathom this!!!
Nicole D
2024-08-18 22:09:56 +0000 UTC"Is she talking about Matty!?" I can't ☠️
Edith Ferrufino
2024-08-16 15:47:51 +0000 UTC100% 😅😱
AuntieHero
2024-07-14 05:46:12 +0000 UTCI feel like we need to re-fathom every single album starting with reputation
Kiki
2024-06-30 19:46:58 +0000 UTCThis needs a refathoming from Bon and Em after TTPD! Sooo interesting
Allison
2024-06-07 03:51:59 +0000 UTCThis makes so much more sense after ttpd. I’d love the girls to refathom
Rachel
2024-06-04 01:15:15 +0000 UTCI was just watching a video on YouTube the other night where Joe is talking about his favourite things to some magazine (maybe Vogue, I can’t remember) and he says he collects lighters. And there she is on the cover of Midnights fixating on a lit flame from a lighter.
Julia Lesmister
2024-05-26 11:54:18 +0000 UTCThis after TTPD is almost too much!! ☠️
Jessica
2024-05-19 11:51:50 +0000 UTCGirls! 😻 I always interpreted the silver and gold strings that Taylor and Ice Spice hold in the Karma MV as Taylor “showing her the ropes”. Taylor literally tosses her string/lasso first… And hello, this video was intense!! Midnights will always be completely iconic, lol… 😉
Jentallygirl
2024-05-19 00:54:48 +0000 UTCI need a midnights refathoming after TTPD
Katie Wednesday
2024-05-03 11:41:34 +0000 UTCBack here after TTPD ... this is concerniiiiiiiinggggg.
Azucena Ch.Fdz.
2024-04-22 01:42:18 +0000 UTCRe-fathoming…’I go through phases when it comes to love’ 😱
GoldRush31
2024-03-05 02:46:07 +0000 UTCI still need more Midnights fathoming! I will never be done fathoming Midnights!
Taylor Peterson
2024-01-24 03:02:59 +0000 UTCGirls, Brae’s phoenix fathoming needs to be clipped and shared on YT. It is insane having watched this literally within 24 hours of the YLM drop, my jaw dropped and I wept profusely. It’s so spot on.
Jenna Bolmgren
2023-12-01 05:09:48 +0000 UTCNo Bejeweled MV reaction? I feel like we should revisit!
Courtney Graham
2023-11-17 05:51:02 +0000 UTCNow that we have 1989 TV vault tracks I think more tracks are Harry coded. “Labyrinth” seems to be a prologue to Is “It Over Now?” And “Question…?” and OOTW are close relatives.
Jenna Bolmgren
2023-11-03 06:53:43 +0000 UTCIn her interview with Jimmy Fallon on 10/24/22, she said she was feeling very overwhelmed since it’s her first autobiographical album for awhile. “Very soft and fragile…” and then, “it’s a pretty dark album… I don’t think that art and suffering have to be holding hands all the time… and that creating this was like sucking the poison out of a snakebite.” Lots of processing hard things.
Jenna Bolmgren
2023-10-08 05:10:09 +0000 UTChow did we not see any of this😭😭
Makayla
2023-07-16 16:44:57 +0000 UTCI see a reference to Gold Rush in the Question...? part with "ghost ships". Since we recently got the possible Gold Rush Easter egg from Harry in the Satellite video I personally think this just adds to the evidence that Question...? is indeed a Haylor-coded song.
Kat Cooley
2023-06-19 15:16:44 +0000 UTC(apologies for this essay haha)
elizabethjulia
2023-06-05 20:36:40 +0000 UTCI see what you're saying, but I'm also not sure that's the case based off of word choice. I think when Taylor referenced lavender haze being about her 6 year relationship that was to specify who the song was about. And while the song is very clearly about how she wanted to stay in her relationship.... it feels more specifically like craving the early no pressure crush lavender haze stage when their relationship was perfect (now that midnights is her up at night reflecting because of this), her rep era just past delicate of being completely "no deal" with the media, in her documentary explaining falling in love in private, "call it what you want" vibes, and "they" referenced again in dear reader "you don't have to answer just cause *they* ask you". I genuinely think she wanted to marry Joe, and I don't think he was ever as sure. "you're losing me" is essentially her breaking down over wanting him to take a risk or a leap with her, and I think you're right that he was traditional and quieter, he grounded her when she needed that -- I think evermore the song actually summarises the meaning of Joe to her beautifully. But during lover Taylor was alluding left right and centre to marriage and forever, folkmore we get invisible string, but also peace, goldrush, and the lakes. Joe was always a respite from the public eye, running away together and being quietly in love. But "I wouldn't want to marry me either a pathological people pleaser" even if it is about a crossroads between her career and his desire for peace, isn't her NOT wanting to marry him, it sounds like him not wanting to marry her because of her people pleasing. Which means she wasn't able to fully be her Bejeweled self and choose to be comfortable in the spotlight reclaiming her albums for herself. She chose herself and her career over him, I do think she's sad about it to some extent, but she also seems extremely settled and happy with herself at the moment... so I don't think you're reading too much into it haha, but I'd say to take your cues from her, and she seems happy and the most in tune with herself she's ever been after all of her reflecting.
elizabethjulia
2023-06-05 20:19:20 +0000 UTCI WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AND WONDERING WHY NO ONE HAD FATHOMED YET
Geneva
2023-06-05 20:08:19 +0000 UTCHonestly, I think when Taylor referenced her 6 year relationship in her lavender haze video - it was because that’s truly where she wanted to stay. In my opinion, Joe wanted to marry her, he seems to be more on the traditional setting where he wanted a private life, wife, and kids… and she wanted that too, just not now. I do think the chorus “all this 1950s shit THEY want from me” included him in that. I think she chose us and her career over him. She chose him initially because the trajectory of her career was crashing down but with him there she felt like the plane had turned around. As the years went by I believe they came at a crossroad where he was ready for the next step but she just wasn’t there yet because as a “psychological people pleaser” she just couldn’t be. It makes me sad to think about that. Almost like in order for her to reclaim her jewels and “feed us” - she had to choose a path differently from what he wanted. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but that’s where the timeline of her songs take me.
Laura Bolanos
2023-05-30 21:39:29 +0000 UTCFor me 'like the crash of a wave' doesn't symbolize something positive. I feel like when a wave crashes you can get swept up in that and not know which way is up or down. So this 'lavender haze crush' left her feeling upturned in some way or maybe leaving the lavender haze left the relationship floundering?
Megan Winton
2023-05-29 23:31:42 +0000 UTCThe "one moment your life looks like a night sky of gleaming stars. The next, the fog has decended" is giving me the transition from 'Bejeweled' to 'Labyrinth' but also in a few paragraphs the 'facets that only glow in the dark' definitely gives Bejeweled so 🤷♀️
Kristen Batye
2023-05-29 13:42:40 +0000 UTCthe paparazzi pics of them the day before midnights were always weird to me, she looks so happy smiling at the ground, while joes staring into the camera anxiously, i just feel like it furthers my idea that she wanted to be seen in public together more but when they tried it out he wasn’t happy w it
Q Pond
2023-05-28 05:51:20 +0000 UTCOk I’ve been stuck on the line “they sit with flags waving, bright and beautiful. And it’s almost like it’s real.” To me this gives me some Great War energy. Like she is imagining him waving this flag surrendering. What if in this midnight she’s dreaming/hoping that they survive this “war” but in reality they actually didn’t or she knows they won’t. I don’t think I fully understood this until now also. “We twist in our self made cages and prey that we aren’t RIGHT THIS MINUTE about to make some FATEFUL LIFE ALTERING MISTAKE” she hasn’t left him yet but she is processing whether or not breaking it off is a mistake or staying with him is.
Jacqueline Rogers
2023-05-28 03:19:19 +0000 UTCIn astrology the planet Saturn represents Karma apparently...
Where There's A Quill
2023-05-27 21:36:46 +0000 UTCHe did say in his Midnights revisited video (pre-matty news) that nobody in a happy relationship will be writing a song like Questions and verbalize it to the world. Interesting. Love his videos too.
andi
2023-05-27 18:47:27 +0000 UTComfg. What if when Tay was writing this album, her and joe were on a break. She has mentioned she spent about 6 months on this album while Joe was filming a TV Series. Therefore, that's why it sounds like a breakup album.
VenturesOfJanee
2023-05-27 16:01:42 +0000 UTCI thought what the youtuber swiftologist recently fathomed about what's been going on has some interesting points...especially about the song sweet nothing. Can't post links but easy to find on YouTube.
LadyQBear
2023-05-27 15:49:41 +0000 UTCTHE LOVER HOUSE BURNS ON TOUR… SHES HOLDING A FLAME ON THE MIDNIGHTS ALBUM COVER… I AM UNWELL
sam funk!
2023-05-27 15:16:54 +0000 UTCWere they filming a chemtrails reaction video??? Because I want to see it??!!
Katinka Meyers
2023-05-27 10:26:09 +0000 UTCOne urgent question and ghosts and ships sailed and bright and beautiful are all references to Harryyyyyyyy, it's Question and This Love and Two Ghosts and "we were in screaming colour" and "a colour I've searched for since"
Zosia Dabrowski
2023-05-27 10:19:27 +0000 UTC🤣🤣🤣 you guys are so unhinged I love it 🫶
Laura (in my eras era) 🫶
2023-05-27 09:44:28 +0000 UTCgold cage, hostage to my feelings 🥲
natasha mik
2023-05-27 07:50:28 +0000 UTCRandom, but the album cover always reminded me of this time I was trying to go as a corpse bride for Halloween but didn’t have enough time to finish the makeup look and ended up going out to the bars with only blue eyeshadow on, not looking like a corpse at all lol. I was also into doing cord cutting exercises around that time like, writing things on paper and then burning them, so the flame reminded me of that. In those ways I feel like the cover made me feel more connected to the album. So now I liked hearing what she wrote about it in the inserts and the fathoming with the fixated bit, etc.!
aubrey
2023-05-27 07:03:39 +0000 UTCBrae predicting the phoenix lyric in you're losing me!!!!!!!!!
KelB
2023-05-27 06:47:00 +0000 UTCFor a second I thought this tittle said “silly little chickens fathoming”
Lauren Levitt
2023-05-27 06:05:06 +0000 UTCi keep refreshing to see the song reaction video 😭
Andrea Mendoza
2023-05-27 05:51:13 +0000 UTCI was not ready for Bonny to wreck me like that. And I am so dumb cause I don’t think I ever read that insert.
Carlie Leistikow
2023-05-27 04:58:04 +0000 UTCjust when we think we've figured it out Taylor shows us that we truly know nothing or at least not everything like we thought we did. I just fathomed so much with all those words and especially with the album cover photo. I can't to see y'all's reactions to the new songs. the new version to sotb is amazing because more Lana is exactly what it needed I wish they kept the outdo from the original song though and I love you're losing me so much but of course in typical Taylor fashion she doesn't put it on streaming services. I didn't care for the karma remix I honestly prefer the original and will stick to listening to that one but it's cool Taylor collabed with a female rapper. I wish it was with Nicki Minaj instead. Gosh there's so much to say and so much going on!
Amierika Frye
2023-05-27 04:57:27 +0000 UTCGirls! I need your reaction now! To this insane night!!!!!!! I no y’all work so hard thank you 🫶🫶🫶🫶
Courtney Graham
2023-05-27 04:54:45 +0000 UTCTaylor’s string of gold looks more like it’s blue
Can
2023-05-27 04:35:54 +0000 UTCit’s so good.. watching over and over again
Mia Gregorio
2023-05-27 04:27:15 +0000 UTCNew music video anyone? Karma 💕 🌚 🪐
Can
2023-05-27 04:26:28 +0000 UTCGIRLSSS ITS 6AM AND I HAVENT SLEPT!!! waiting for your reactions
Mia Gregorio
2023-05-27 04:18:31 +0000 UTCIM DYING OVER THE SURPRISE SONGS, GETAWAY CAR AND MAROON, I WANNA DIE!!!!!!! AND THE KARMA MV IS SO FUCKING GOODDDD, i need all the reactions
Mia Gregorio
2023-05-27 04:12:06 +0000 UTCYALLLL ITS OUT
Jordan Bush
2023-05-27 04:01:51 +0000 UTCIM SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS OF THE SUPRISE SOMGS
Jordan Bush
2023-05-27 04:01:39 +0000 UTCSO MUCH IS HAPPENING LOVE THIS TAYLOR ENERGY
Alice
2023-05-27 03:55:40 +0000 UTCAlso I am SO SORRY for your loss for tonight’s surprise songs
Alice
2023-05-27 03:25:40 +0000 UTCummm off topic but METLIFE WON SURPRISE SONGS… getaway car and maroon????!!!!! IM ILL
Sydney Feller
2023-05-27 03:12:08 +0000 UTCOkkkkk I don’t know if y’all have heard you’re losing me yet, but omfg it is the most offensive heartbreaking relatable song. Can’t wait for the reaction 🥹
Alice
2023-05-27 03:02:05 +0000 UTC💯❗️
Kacey
2023-05-27 02:31:48 +0000 UTC💯
Kacey
2023-05-27 02:31:27 +0000 UTCSpeaking of astrology, Taylor's Venus is in Scorpio.....mhm.
Brittany Diamond
2023-05-27 02:17:53 +0000 UTCseriously i get so happy to watch your videos! Thank you for all you do!💗
Sara woods
2023-05-27 02:17:04 +0000 UTCI don’t know about AUS, but Taylor Nation is releasing the digital download of The Late Night Edition for 24 hours! I am listening and fathoming right now. Your minds will BE BLOWN 🤯😳😩🥹
Jenna Bolmgren
2023-05-27 02:12:33 +0000 UTCjust like the way she carries meaning and themes throughout different albums is so insane!!! boat/ship wise: "I'm like the water when your ship rolled in that night" / "Eyes like sinking ships on waters" / "losing grip, oh, sinking ships, You showed up just in time" and then lavander haze wave "And my waves meet your shore" / "i'm on waves, out being tossed"
Kate Aschoff
2023-05-27 01:25:50 +0000 UTCalbum cover has always made me think of "i took your matches before fire could catch me" which maybe relates to the burning of the house on tour in some way
Kate Aschoff
2023-05-27 01:14:31 +0000 UTCalso "karma brings all my friends to the summit" is nice to think about into the context of climbing high and feeling isolated, she may not have a person she once loved up there/at home with her, but she has friends
Kate Aschoff
2023-05-27 01:11:29 +0000 UTCWant more heartbreak? Find a close up video of her performance of "Cold As You". She is FEELING that song.
Clash Fan
2023-05-27 01:10:44 +0000 UTCaftershock: "no words appear before me in the aftermath"
Kate Aschoff
2023-05-27 01:00:46 +0000 UTCIs anyone still alive after You’re Losing Me? Feel like elements of Cornelia St, Dress & So It Goes fit into YLM
Can
2023-05-27 00:59:04 +0000 UTCi just know you both lost your minds listening to you’re losing me, like the words she said to us??? the bridge??? i hope we get a reaction 🥹🫶🏼
Maggie
2023-05-27 00:53:03 +0000 UTCYou're losing me is already in my top ten Taylor song dog all time, please react 🫶🏻🤍
Hannah Hart
2023-05-27 00:50:58 +0000 UTCI agree - the Lover house burns to the ground. Joe may have been the love that jolted her - but it could have been an external love that hit her like a ton of bricks, burning her Lover house down. Matty...?
Nan
2023-05-27 00:40:33 +0000 UTCyou have to listen to you're losing me, taylor's most heartbreaking song.
Josh
2023-05-27 00:36:40 +0000 UTCWasn't Taylor with Harry when he got his ghost ship tattoo?
Nan
2023-05-27 00:33:34 +0000 UTCJust listened to you’re losing me, so amazing
Adam Moore
2023-05-27 00:25:39 +0000 UTCHaving a moment listening to Labyrinth and wondering if it's not about Joe but about hiM....
Jason
2023-05-26 23:45:09 +0000 UTCThe album cover really is perfect, the spark ignites and you can use the flame for destruction or to light your way through the darkness. The spark is an idea, a memory. In Dear Reader "I wander through these nights" she is literally going through these memories in her mind, analyzing and overthinking.. looking back fondly or wishing for retribution. Midnights is actually so cohesive it's concerning.
Alison
2023-05-26 23:43:36 +0000 UTCPlease post the you’re losing me reaction today I need it!!
Ash
2023-05-26 23:42:38 +0000 UTCOh my…
Sara Medina
2023-05-26 23:36:51 +0000 UTCI agree they might not last long but I see why they are attracted to each other.
Clash Fan
2023-05-26 23:30:26 +0000 UTCShe LITERALLY calls herself a phoenix in YLM 🤯 you called it!
Ashlynn Ross
2023-05-26 23:24:51 +0000 UTCWhy did so much of this relate to "you're losing me" and you hadn't even heard it yet?!!!
Mercedes
2023-05-26 23:12:54 +0000 UTCI agree with this, I watched Zane Lowe and I also watched the Tom Power interview. Listening to Matty made me think he is in some ways like a male version of Taylor: brilliant, articulate, a spinner of concept and metaphor, thinking all of the time. I didn’t know about The 1975 until recently and so I didn’t have a preconceived notion about him. Then I heard about what a terrible person he is, but what I saw in the interviews was starkly different. BTW in my experience people who are very much alike don’t usually last long. But I can see why they’d be fascinated by each other. They have a lot in common.
Karen Valentino
2023-05-26 23:12:12 +0000 UTCAt this point, I just feel like I don't know anything. This is an extremely chaotic time, and I hate how so many media people are writing such nasty articles about her. But on the other hand she is so so successful right now. I'm just confused, and maybe a little scared for her.
MarkH
2023-05-26 23:11:15 +0000 UTCi think the Karma ice spice picture is referencing back to seven because the opening lyrics are "picture me IN the trees" and "happiness" also track 7 on the SISTER album opening lyrics are "im ABOVE the trees" so I think it's her saying she wrote karma in the headspace of still being in the trees, not how in happiness where she literally says she could forgive Scott, shes above the trees. Happiness has always been one of my favorites from her and I've always found the similarity between those two songs' opening lyrics so interesting!! Also maybe karma is now a little bit aimed at Joe and that could explain the tie to invisible string and why she isn't playing it on the setlist. We are finding out from you're losing me how awful the relationship was for a while and how he wasn't fighting for it at all. I don't think she wrote karma with Joe in mind but maybe now when she sings it he's there in her mind?? yikess
Lauren R
2023-05-26 22:39:39 +0000 UTCTaylor has always depicted Joe as quiet and wanting privacy. I feel like maybe that worked for her but after a while it stoped. The opening of lavender has - 'you don't every say to much' 'don't read into my melancholia' - that reads to me as a negative, like she is laying awake at night with all these thoughts and he do anything about it. In lavender haze music video - the man is really just laying their asleep the whole time while she dreams about going out dancing with him.
Rachael P
2023-05-26 22:37:23 +0000 UTCSame…
Ally ❤️
2023-05-26 22:24:49 +0000 UTCyou’re losing me!!!!!!! for the love of the sweet baby jesus
Bruno Lenzi
2023-05-26 22:09:16 +0000 UTC!!! the ghost ships being anchored in her harbor 100000% gives me "all of the people I've ghosted stand there in the room". and the use of anchored is such a great word because it implies they're unmovable, she cannot shake the thought of these ghosts at this hour.
tesscwright
2023-05-26 22:00:07 +0000 UTCYOU’RE LOSING ME !! can’t wait for your reaction!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mia Gregorio
2023-05-26 21:55:56 +0000 UTCWow love this so much please do more!!
Freyastendal
2023-05-26 21:53:27 +0000 UTCSo much of this relates to the visuals in the tour. I still am trying to process some of the imagery from Atlanta show I saw. 1) she literally dives into the stage swimming towards the lavender haze, but gets cut up in a giant wave. 2)why is she climbing a ladder into a cloud??? (Have seen theories on TikTok about this that are mind blowing) Also, I have been wondering if we should look at the order in which she told us the song names in Midnights Mayheim. Seriously she started with #13, MASTERMIND.
Layla4124
2023-05-26 21:47:34 +0000 UTCShe is definitely not fan fiction writing, we are talking literary writing. I can only imagine the amount of imagery and symbolism she would use….maybe in her screenplay we will get some of this.
Layla4124
2023-05-26 21:39:53 +0000 UTCShe really convinced me that Labyrinth was about her leaving Joe and falling in love with Matty.
Clash Fan
2023-05-26 21:39:20 +0000 UTCSame 😭 I need it on streaming like right now… hopefully we will get it someday
alex
2023-05-26 21:38:13 +0000 UTCI'm so ready for the reaction of You're losing me after this refathoming XD
tatiana
2023-05-26 21:38:02 +0000 UTCI‘m literally in tears right now.. the lyrics are something different 🥺 „I wouldn’t marry me either“ 😭
alex
2023-05-26 21:36:47 +0000 UTCDitto!!
Layla4124
2023-05-26 21:36:41 +0000 UTCSo much fathoming! The flame on the album cover art, people have been joking that it looks like an Airpod. Now I'm starting to think it looks more like a question mark? Also, the reference to "spontanous combustion" echos "chemistry till it blows up, till there's no us."
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 21:35:45 +0000 UTCYou’re losing me is KILLING me! Sooooooo good and sooooo sad.
Jaimi Carter
2023-05-26 21:24:23 +0000 UTCThis is too much. I’m going to have to watch this a dozen times to absorb it all. 🤯
Jaimi Carter
2023-05-26 21:23:49 +0000 UTCI haven't watched all this yet but I have to say I've been spending my time checking out The 1975 and Matty Healy. I've been listening to Funny In A Foreign Language and if you look at it from the perspective of him writing about Taylor it's like he's following the instructions in How You Get The Girl. He also sought out Jack to produce the album and it's the first time he's ever used another producer on their music. Normally he and one of the other band members produce. He has mentioned he worked with Taylor on some songs for Midnights but they weren't used for the final album. I encourage anyone interested to watch the interview he did with Zane Lowe back in October. He has a hell of a lot in common with Taylor in how he writes songs and views music. He does a type of performance art when they play live, he is playing a character on stage and the concerts all have theme and story line. I think he has been kind of pursuing her, at least pleading his case and doing it via song.
Clash Fan
2023-05-26 20:46:58 +0000 UTCThis was an incredible fathoming. There is a German Swiftie on TT who has spoken on how flipping the track listing on the original MNs album reveals the breakup album more clearly. It’s pretty amazing to walk through it that way. It makes Mastermind the opening. Sweet Nothing our track two, Bejeweled the track 5 and the turning point: track 7 is Question…? 😱 I will never not believe that YOYOK is the quintessential track 5 for MNs, but it’s a compelling exercise to flip it… and when you add the 3am tracks to the flip, it’s harrowing! Opening with Dear Reader 🥺 add to that the perspective that Labyrinth may be something other than a recall to the Cornelia Street moment…. And more a realization that she was falling in love with someone else. Uh Oh… Oh No… Oh!
Ally ❤️
2023-05-26 20:38:35 +0000 UTC🫶🏻
Cassandra
2023-05-26 20:33:46 +0000 UTCI am UNWELL
Natalie Ganzel
2023-05-26 20:11:07 +0000 UTCI just listened to it and the "I wouldn't marry me either" is crushing my soul.
Clash Fan
2023-05-26 20:06:22 +0000 UTCBrae was so right
Rachel
2023-05-26 19:56:30 +0000 UTCIn you're losing me she literally says, "I'm getting tired even for a phoenix" noooooo you're kidding
Rachel
2023-05-26 19:56:03 +0000 UTComggggg the lyrics!!
Rachel
2023-05-26 19:55:38 +0000 UTCBesties WAKE UP YOU’RE LOSING ME IS HEREEEEEEE
Natalie Ganzel
2023-05-26 19:46:45 +0000 UTCthey killed me omg
aiyla
2023-05-26 19:31:19 +0000 UTCDear [Joe], you should've know... if he lit the fire by leaking the break up to the press, then Taylor just burned the whole shit down.
Bobhog
2023-05-26 19:30:28 +0000 UTCI’m spiraling now hearing You’re Losing Me just a couple hours after re-fathoming Tolerate It post-Midnights/breakup. I am unwell 💀
Garret S
2023-05-26 19:30:14 +0000 UTCTHIS!!!!
Bobhog
2023-05-26 19:26:36 +0000 UTCNO THE PHOENIX THING YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT AND THEN THE YOU'RE LOSING ME LYRIC THIS IS TOO MUCH
Val Flores
2023-05-26 19:22:59 +0000 UTCI need a breakdown of You're losing me quick
Fatima Emilia
2023-05-26 19:22:54 +0000 UTCI’ll also add to what Brae said about the breakup actually happening a while ago that Taylor likely purposely kept “You’re Losing Me” off of the album (both the main album and 3am) because Taylor and Joe didn’t want the world to know that they had broken up. Now that a majority of the world knows about the breakup, she’s willing to put it out.
Haygen Warren
2023-05-26 19:22:14 +0000 UTCOkay so the bit connecting to bejeweled also reminded me of High Infidelity or am I the only one?
Val Flores
2023-05-26 19:18:22 +0000 UTCThe last word being "Help" is literally the Fandom.
Akko_Tea
2023-05-26 19:16:35 +0000 UTCThank you! Whoa so much tea in You’re Losing Me lyrics! Recasts so many songs from Midnights. Also Til Dawn is now available at the Apple Store. Very sorry we won’t get You’re Losing Me for a while but eventually it’ll be available for download.
Karen Valentino
2023-05-26 19:15:12 +0000 UTCI'm thinking the same thing. It's either tea to put the Joe story to rest once and for all, or it's the song she wrote with Matty.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:54:05 +0000 UTCOoh, I can absolutely see this as a petty Taylor move. In the beginning I thought, poor Joe, he has to stand on his own two feet now that he's no longer the muse of the biggest pop star in the world. But, at least he'll have a modest income from his writing credits, that's a reasonable consolation prize, or palimony so to speak. But now that the undramatic and amicable storyline has fallen apart, I can absolutely see her doing this. The strange thing is, I would imagine her taking away the lesson to never allow a love interest to infiltrate her art in that way again, getting credit and profit off her work. And now here she is with Matty, who may co-write a lot of her work going forward, she's a puzzling genius.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:53:22 +0000 UTCTell me about it! I have seen this happen so many times, with regular people as well as celebrities. Getting out of a long-term relationship that went nowhere, often times is followed by a rebound, but sometimes they fall into love with someone hard and fast and lock things down fast because they feel it's finally right and don't want to waste any more time. They are both at an age where they might want to find their forever person, Matty may finally be ready to exit his wild young rockstar stage, or as he calls it his "*sshole era". I just hope she doesn't rush into anything without ensuring that her fortune and her legacy are secure, not to mention that her heart is really ready to fully embrace someone new.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:48:01 +0000 UTCFathoming!!!
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:42:57 +0000 UTCNot to mention that they supposedly had a London mansion under contract to purchase in November. I think her discography points to them having been through some rocky times, and reports alluded to that as well, including them having taken breaks and come back together. She would have had no reason to make specific reference to her "relationship of six years" with that shy smile and giggle, if they had broken up, she could have made a more generic statement. I really think they agreed to take a break while she was on tour and he was filming, have some space and breathing room and insulate him a bit from the insanity and lack of privacy that come with touring, and something happened that caused her to suddenly make the break permanent, whether that was breakup rumors spread by his team, or cheating allegations.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:42:00 +0000 UTCNow this, this is new information! Could the James/Betty/August trilogy actually be a fantasy about how her and Matty's relationship could have played out, but projected onto teen characters? I just assumed she dedicated the song to him in Nashville because she felt like an old cardigan under Joe's bed, but Matty put her on and said she was his favorite, but maybe there was some inspiration there, if she bumped into him literally a month before lockdown. Although Joe did write the chorus of Betty...
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:36:28 +0000 UTCI find the refathoming to be a slippery slope. It's fun to imagine which songs could actually be about Matty, but for the most part, all of her songs can be applied to so many different relationships depending on the lens through which they're viewed. She's played Debut and Speak Now songs that she says she relates to now, even though they were originally about a different experience. And of course we are all able to apply her lyrics to events in our own lives, which is what makes them so relatable. I'm not saying that none of these songs, especially more recent ones we assumed were about Harry, like The 1 and Question...?, could be about Matty. But I think the simple nature of viewing her past work through a Matty filter will inevitably yield connections that were not present when she originally wrote them.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:32:36 +0000 UTCWow
Karen Valentino
2023-05-26 18:22:51 +0000 UTCI’ve thought about this, too, that Taylor’s tendency to be abstract in her writing in general and to be very broad in describing the theme of Midnights means she could write songs under a partner’s nose about a new love interest. Also if she and Matty wrote songs to each other with Jack as the go-between that is such a wonderfully fucked up way to flirt.
Karen Valentino
2023-05-26 18:15:59 +0000 UTCOh my god you guys are going to be so UNWELL over You're Losing Me. Oh my god.
November Flush (Sam)
2023-05-26 18:15:22 +0000 UTCI think there could be an element of truth there. I recently watched an old interview where Taylor says she has the tendency to run. She certainly ghosted Calvin and ran away with Tom. In Dear Reader she says, "pick somewhere and just run" and "desert all your past lives." In Hits Different she mentions "skip town like an asshole outlaw." I feel like she is a very passionate woman whose feelings run hot; she's fiercly loyal, but will flip on a dime if she's been betrayed. I look at reports of them possibly having been on a break and then word getting back to Taylor that they had broken up, possibly coming from Joe or his team. I can't help but think, whether the rumors did come from Joe's camp or not, or if it was a misunderstanding, that in that moment she flipped and was done with him, full stop. I can see him possibly trying to call her and explain and her just ghosting him. "You don't have to call anymore, I won't pick up the phone. This is the last straw, don't want to hurt anymore." (played on Apr. 21). I saw one report briefly that I never saw again, based on an account by a publicist or agent or someone, that Taylor did have an engagement ring, which she FedExed to Joe with no explanation. If she was angry about these rumors, this is definitely something I can see her doing. I also think the friends unfriending him and the angry secret songs that have followed are likely based on his co-star's posting of his photo on her IG, since both events happened in the same week. I'm imagining either she is assuming that he cheated "had a sense I'd been betrayed" and is going off on him to feel better about ghosting him, or her decision to officially end things sent him into the arms of another woman, about which she feels betrayed. Either scenario explains songs like Should've Said No and Better Man, not to mention her adorable head shake and finger wag every time she sings "Do the girls back home touch you like I do?" as well as Joe's attempt to redirect those cheating allegations back to Taylor. I can easily see her thinking, "Oh, we're over and you're pursuing your costar just like that (whether accurate or not)? Well I have someone waiting in the wings myself, he's much cooler and more exciting than you, and you're going to watch him support me in ways you never would." I also wouldn't be surprised, if the reports are true that they put a London mansion under contract to purchase in Nov., and were talking about marriage around that time, if her fears became more pronounced, her past trauma screaming from the crypt, and she was ready to bail at the first sign of betrayal, real or imagined.
Esme (MadWoman@TheLakes)
2023-05-26 18:14:47 +0000 UTCOMG lyrics for 'You're Losing Me' are on genius...
Emmy
2023-05-26 18:13:03 +0000 UTCAll breakthroughs are preceded by breakdowns. I’ve had situations where someone offered exactly what I needed in a current situation. Having the world call you a snake is a big fucking breakdown. Taylor found shelter from that. And then she processed her way through it and figured out how to turn it to her advantage, like everything else she’s ever done - such a boss. A related thought: for me feeling at peace never lasts for long. Eventually I get restless. (I’m a Gemini, I have a good excuse!) And there’s a lot of restlessness in Midnights and in Taylor’s current life. She’s all over the place. She said herself she could never give Joe peace. It’s not just a matter of celebrity, it’s who she is.
Karen Valentino
2023-05-26 18:01:52 +0000 UTCYes to all of the above, I interpreted in the same way! She is saying over and over how at least sometimes her ultra fame makes her feel disconnected, lonely, and how much she's haunted by the ghosts of her past. In midnight rain, her ex thinks about her when she's on tv... I think she realizes that they can't escape thinking about her because she's everywhere in media, and that knowledge keeps her up at night.
Sam
2023-05-26 17:56:23 +0000 UTCTaylor said: "CHAOS REIGNS!"
mckenna
2023-05-26 17:45:37 +0000 UTCIf you’re losing me is the song she wrote with Matty Healy but never made it on the album I will die
maryam
2023-05-26 17:42:37 +0000 UTCAlso just thinking about how there's now a variant of Midnights without Sweet Nothing which could be the version she submits to the award shows. Like so that Joe isn't technically a writer anymore on that version.
Emmy
2023-05-26 17:31:30 +0000 UTCno cause this is one of my favorite videos ever. I love a refathoming. I cannot believe what she is saying here. We are going to fathom this and this album for the rest of our lives I'm convinced.
Jaden
2023-05-26 17:17:01 +0000 UTCI don’t know if there are as long “introductions” to each album but you could do like this kind of chat of them for each album, maybe just one video with all of them if they’re short or there isn’t that much to say but could still be interesting maybe to revisit how she introduced each album now that you know them so well🤔
Emma
2023-05-26 17:12:34 +0000 UTCthis.
Sov
2023-05-26 17:08:31 +0000 UTCWatching this video all I kept thinking about was in folklore when she wrote, "While I bathe in cliffside pools With my calamitous love..." (Just got to that part in the video lol) I always thought that was such a strange word to describe her and Joe's relationship.
Emmy
2023-05-26 17:03:34 +0000 UTCI swear if she gets engaged to matty idk what I’m going to do!
Catherine (YOYOK stan)
2023-05-26 16:53:08 +0000 UTCOH MY GOD! what if the lines about 'reckless intimacy while dancing with strangers' and 'facets of you that only glow in the dark' are alluding to the song HIGH INFEDILITY? Like "I bent the truth too far tonight, I was dancing around, dancing around it" speaks about how that night she felt adventurous and excited after a long time. That she met her dark side because she cheated that night or was about to... signalling to "Do you really want to know where I was April 29th? Do I really have to tell you how he brought me back to life?"
Sov
2023-05-26 16:52:02 +0000 UTCwhat i would give for a book of her poetry.
Jen
2023-05-26 16:44:11 +0000 UTCMANY many thoughts. But one in particular, I think it's quite interesting how we haven't really had any real Joe LOVE songs since Lover era which was 4 years ago now... Sure folklore and evermore have songs like invisible string, long story short, and evermore - but those songs are all retrospective, romanticizing the story of them falling in love and how he helped her through a dark time. In comparison, songs like lover, I think he knows, London boy, daylight are all written in the present tense. Most of the (presumably) Joe songs written since Lover have all had an anxious element to them (gold rush... bone crush; I can never give you peace etc.) and even the lakes which appears to be a love song has to do with Taylor and her lover running off, but of course I don't think she would ever leave her career behind, because then she wouldn't be Taylor swift the global pop icon. Also, sweet nothing seems like a bittersweet, final farewell to the relationship... It's quite a melancholy song, although beautiful, and it feels like a person looking back on their relationship as it comes to a close
Andrea
2023-05-26 16:41:07 +0000 UTCjust adding, that a lot of people only mention the New York pap photos as the last time they were seen together, but I have seen a lot of tik toks of them in December 2022 in New Orleans privately, so that was definitely not PR. So I really think that the break-up happened sometime in 2023, but naturally, with a 6-year relationship it's not going to be an overnight thing, she was probably maybe having doubts long before!
Julcsi Antall
2023-05-26 16:37:32 +0000 UTCPerhaps! But I think, rather to misdirect, it’s her referencing the 1989 era where they first met. There’s also that theory going around that since they got to listen to each others’ songs while working on their respective albums with Jack, 75’s “About You” may be an answer to Tay’s Questions. We will never know.
andi
2023-05-26 16:36:03 +0000 UTCOmg lol that legit crossed my mind before “why dear reader and not dear listener” ☠️
andi
2023-05-26 16:27:39 +0000 UTCThere needs to be a refathoming Midnights video! I’m here for it!
andi
2023-05-26 16:26:24 +0000 UTCthe single hit to the shoulder when bonnie was talking about the flame on the cover im laughing so hard rn
Cambryn Adams
2023-05-26 16:18:03 +0000 UTCno like i'm LIVINGGGGGG for these random videos !! this was absolutely mindblowing ajssajdsjh
Nele
2023-05-26 16:14:59 +0000 UTCi feel that the sentence "Or was tonight the night you realize how solitary, how alone you really are, no matter how high ypu climb. The elevation just makes it colder" is like in High infidelity she said "its never enough" in the end!!!! just saw your breakdown and the meaning feels the same to me!
Noa
2023-05-26 16:14:53 +0000 UTCLove that this is titled *silly little* and it’s actually not silly or little. It’s huge and quite serious. I can’t
Abbie Kent
2023-05-26 16:12:33 +0000 UTCIt also reminds me of the lyric ‘and the road not taken looks real good now’ from ‘tis the damn season. Always wondering and maybe even convincing ourselves we would’ve been happier if we had taken the other path.
Silke Huybrechts
2023-05-26 15:59:51 +0000 UTCThat is BEAUTIFUL. I want to read the full essay now!
Silke Huybrechts
2023-05-26 15:57:47 +0000 UTCI now wonder if her putting “I remember” from OOTW at the beginning of Question…? was an intentional misdirect, so that everyone would assume that song was about Harry. Maybe that seemed more benign than the truth, since everyone already knew about their history and it was old news at that point. If she’d left it more open to interpretation who she was speaking to in the song it’s possible fans might speculate that this is someone she is still thinking about and even pining for years later, even though she was with someone else? And maybe she just wasn’t ready to have that question out in the world to that degree, yet. Or, maybe she and Joe were on the rocks but not totally, definitely done, and she didn’t want public scrutiny about their relationship to come and be a distraction overshadowing the whole album, so she offered fans a “palatable” answer to the question in the song itself. It makes me wonder if she did that in some other songs, too, because I suspect that Maroon might actually be about Joe, and the breakdown of their relationship. What if they were actually taking a break while he was filming and she and Jack were making Midnights, and she wrote that song about him in that time. Even if they later reconciled for a while she still could have put Maroon on the album because she knew we would draw the connection to Red, assume it was about someone from that time period, and not even consider that it might be about Joe. I just feel like Midnights might be more of a breakup album than anyone realized when it came out. Obviously we’ll never know the whole truth, but it’s interesting to consider, and maybe we’ll be able to fill in some blanks once TS11 comes out.
Leijette Riopel
2023-05-26 15:57:45 +0000 UTCGuys I also want to add the fact that Taylor and Matty met each other at the NME awards in Feb 2020 for the first time since 2015 afawk and then two months later Taylor wrote cardigan!!!!!!!!
maltyyy
2023-05-26 15:57:43 +0000 UTCAs sad as that sounds, it makes a lot of sense. I love how you worded ‘Joe was a place she wanted to hide (…) but she was never going to be content living there.’
Silke Huybrechts
2023-05-26 15:55:55 +0000 UTCMy little brain can’t catch up to this insane writing
GIE
2023-05-26 15:50:19 +0000 UTCOkay if we are rethinking question…what about The 1? She switched invisible string for The 1 on tour and the lyrics sound like they could be about Matty in the context of Question and refathoming Midnights
Reese
2023-05-26 15:46:37 +0000 UTCi'm just ill hahaha, i have nothing else to say I need a moment to process everything
Sofia Luna
2023-05-26 15:37:37 +0000 UTCLiving for the thrill of being a swiftie right now 🥵
Antonia
2023-05-26 15:29:54 +0000 UTCI think labyrinth is actually about both joe and matty. "Oh uh... im falling in love. oh no... im falling in love again. Oh.... im falling in love."
shilaakadar
2023-05-26 15:01:30 +0000 UTCShe said "dear reader" and we were all like is she writing a novel? And all along she was like bitches just read what I wrote for my vinyl - we're all dumb. Help
Sara _
2023-05-26 14:36:09 +0000 UTCI don’t at all buy into the theory that Taylor and Joe were broken up already when Midnights was recorded, but I do think with hindsight now that many of the lyrics we originally thought of as positive are much more troubling and have darker undertones. Lavender Haze and Paris seemed like “we only need each other and what other people say doesn’t matter” but really it could read as “this only works in a vacuum and if I don’t listen to what people are saying maybe I can keep holding on to this relationship”. This really also got me thinking about Folklore and Evermore, and maybe more of those songs are a touch more autobiographical than we thought. Hoax definitely hits different now (no pun intended): “my sleepless night”, “my best laid plan”(Mastermind), “my kingdom come undone”(Bejeweled). “My twisted knife” also made me think of Tolerate It, “take this dagger in me and remove it” and really an alarming amount of lyrics in that song could potentially be applied to their relationship, with him tolerating her fame while actively benefiting from it. She painted him in such a good light the entire time that until it was ended most of us were like “this upsetting song couldn’t possibly be about him”. Anyway, great video, made me do a lot of thinking of my own and introduced me to a text I didn’t even realize existed lol
Garret S
2023-05-26 14:33:56 +0000 UTCThose poor little booklets getting destroyed 😂
Gustav Lucas
2023-05-26 14:33:24 +0000 UTCHow does her mind work, i am simply mind blown at her words.
Jen Manchulenko
2023-05-26 14:28:12 +0000 UTCWELL she did say that her and Jack wrote this album while their partners were on set together plus the lavender haze reel. They were definitely still together. HOWEVER I do believe that there were problems involved ect. that she maybe hints at in midnights, but I don't think they would be seen together only for pr reasons. Midnights is an album that has way more layers than just her relationship. Like a person can also struggle with other things than just that? I love midnights because it doesn't read like a purely breakuppy album or just about love, it's about HER and her internal struggles.
Maya
2023-05-26 14:20:18 +0000 UTCNext is just a statement, not a paragraph, about no matter how high she climbs she is still alone. This reminds me of 2016 Grammy AOTY and when you get to the top, its a lonely place to be. She’s telling us that her fame has left her with the inability to have people. Joe couldn’t handle her fame/career. Other people use her and are not there because they really care. She has to be very careful with people because of how disingenuous the world can be. The more successful she is, she gets more and more alone. She can’t go anywhere. Can’t do anything. Maybe Joe wanted to go do things and she just can’t so she felt a disconnect from him. She realizes how alone she still is after 2016. We thought she didn’t feel that way anymore, but clearly she was feeling alone. Why wasn’t Joe making her feel like she had a partner? Or she just didn’t feel that connection with him anymore? Or maybe she was feeling herself pull away from him or him from her in the context of her career. “Facets of you that only glow in the dark”. wow. She was telling us right here that she understands her need to be in the limelight, to shine. That’s HER, that’s just who she is. And there is always going to be different facets of her but some heed to be shown off. Like there is a part of her that comes to life at a party. We have seen her, she loves to dance, to be having fun, butterflying around. That’s what she wants. The reckless intimacy of dancing with strangers? She’s got a wild side. I also think dancing with strangers calls Maroon. I think Maroon now is a Matty song. She wakes with his memory over her as she lies in bed, and that’s her legacy. To leave. She doesn’t want to leave that memory behind as something unresolved. She needs to figure it out. So that her legacy isn’t leaving what could potentially be what she is looking for. Mastermind is a great closer. I have orchestrated this entire scenario to get what I want. Dear Reader, she came in with a surprise second ending. Don’t listen to me, I’m falling apart, I’m alone, I retreat into my pen and all my friends leave me. The higher I climb, the more alone I get. Find someone else to guide you through your lives and to get through your hard times. I can’t get my life together. She was telling us. Your Losing Me. I don’t know but there is a rumor that Matty co-wrote this. We will see tonight when people get the CD. But, a Third ending? I imagine about how she is leaving. So, mastermind to get the love she desires, then realizing she is alone and unfulfilled, then deciding to leave. Are these endings telling us something? Either about her relationship with Joe or her relationship with us?
Starbuck1234!
2023-05-26 14:19:37 +0000 UTCAlso, just to share, during my first listens of Midnights.. I have thought several times how strong Joe is to have to listen to these lyrics from his girlfriend “I swear it was something ‘cause I don’t remember who I was before you painted all my nights a color I’ve searched for” AND ESPECIALLY “Does it feel like everything’s just second best after that meteor strike”, like?? I would have lost it. But it made sense to me at that time cause Blondie did position Midnights as sleepless nights throughout the years, and maybe she wrote this one before even meeting Joe. But now after reading the booklet, I’m just more convinced that this was a breakup album, or the collapse of a relationship album.
andi
2023-05-26 14:16:37 +0000 UTC"To a house, not a home all alone 'cause nobody's there. Where I PACE IN MY PEN and my friends found friends who care" - Dear Reader lyrics referencing the cages motif mentioned in the album insert 😭
Kira-Marie Lazda
2023-05-26 14:06:23 +0000 UTCGuys the ghosts reference: Ghost ships that have sailed away but at this hour have anchored in your harbor” could also be antihero! “My depression works the graveyard shift all of the people I’ve ghosted stand there in the room” and the ghosts in the music video. …. But who? I can’t fathom haha
natalie pearl
2023-05-26 14:04:04 +0000 UTCDid y’all realize Glitch and Paris have been removed on the midnights late night edition deluxe CD?! Because “you’re losing me” so she is losing the love and romantic feelings she wrote about in those songs🫠
Erica Trull
2023-05-26 14:00:36 +0000 UTCIn the bejeweled MV, before she got into the elevator to bejewel, she had a watch that had “exile ends” engraved on it. Meanwhile at the end of the lavender haze MV, she broke down the walls of the house/sanctuary she had with her lover and chose to stay alone up in the clouds. Idk but to me this could be references to her getting out of the “self-made cages” she had with Joe.
andi
2023-05-26 13:58:13 +0000 UTCit was there all along. She had to have written that months in advance of the album release for production. the cover now finally makes sense. My thoughts: The first thing in her mind as she sat down to write this was Question, which I think we all have re-fathomed that it is about Matty, not Harry. He was on her mind at the very beginning as she introduces the album to us. “The ships that have sailed” is Matty, or all her past relationships that she explores on this album. But in this paragraph with the song Question it does appear that she is talking about Matty as someone who slipped through the cracks or as a ship that has sailed. Concerning. She was thinking that when she wrote this last summer. Next paragraph is concerning guys. “Sometimes sleep is as EVASIVE as happiness”. This is an album about sleepless nights and she is comparing it to her inability to be happy. EVASIVE, meaning she looks and looks and tries but it always slips away. We thought she was happy, but when she wrote this clearly she says it here, sleep for her is just as evasive as happiness. the same paragraph she is talking about how she ghosts friends & lovers because she wasn’t happy. then she says “what must they think of you now”. She was telling us how she tries to find happiness, but it always slips away. It was right there. The next paragraph says even more “an aftershock of falling headlong into a connection”. Headlong means to be reckless. IS she saying that falling for Joe was reckless of her and now she is in the aftermath of it? Or is she saying that she fell headlong into a connection with Matty, and now she is in the aftermath of that destruction? the fact that she refers to him (Matty or Joe) as a connection makes me think she is talking about Matty. I don’t think she would refer to her 6 yr relationship with Joe as falling recklessly into a connection. I think she is telling us she found herself falling recklessly for this connection she felt with Matty and this caused a cataclysmic event leaving a wake of destruction.
Starbuck1234!
2023-05-26 13:45:56 +0000 UTCYes I feel antihero vibes here too. Even "I'm a monster on a hill, too big to hang out" puts herself alone at the top, "slowly lurching" gives imagery of how slow you walk when you're cold and alone as well.
Jaimie C
2023-05-26 13:42:04 +0000 UTCIt also reminds me of long story short "my waves meet your shore", she is the crash of the wave not someone else
Jaimie C
2023-05-26 13:36:53 +0000 UTClol same, had to run to my room yesterday to check the vinyl booklet.
andi
2023-05-26 13:35:08 +0000 UTCSpontaneous combustion is giving Glitch
Miriam Hart
2023-05-26 13:33:57 +0000 UTCwhat do you think are the references to matty? been trying to fathom it but the lyrics just seem to vague it can be for anyone.
andi
2023-05-26 13:33:37 +0000 UTCthis little piece of words mixed together is just too much to exist in this world and i can not HANDLE refathom them with our current situation. ALSO just heard Hits Different for the first time (the FULL song) and I can not EXPRESS how much I needed it. Now I'm going to die dead waiting for YOU'RE LOSING ME, WHAT KIND OF SONG IS IT???????
Ana Luiza reis de noronha
2023-05-26 13:26:54 +0000 UTCHe also said he had listened to Midnights. In very early August 2022, Taylor had already heard 1975 new album which was not released until a week before Midnights.
Starbuck1234!
2023-05-26 13:25:56 +0000 UTCNot you pulling a Taylor Swift 😂😂 watching right now!!
Samawi A
2023-05-26 13:25:12 +0000 UTCCowboy like me, maybe??
Maggie
2023-05-26 13:20:58 +0000 UTCDo we think Taylor ghosted Joe? 🤔 Lots of mentions of ghosts and the Bejeweled video (which I think we're agreeing is about Joe with hindsight) she ghosts the prince and takes the castle (her career). And there's those articles that say Joe was blindsided by the breakup or new relationship
Cristina
2023-05-26 13:17:42 +0000 UTCshe did make cardigan about him now (was it nashville i don’t remember), i wonder if he really inspired the song while she was making it or she just repurposed the song to him now.
andi
2023-05-26 13:14:09 +0000 UTCAlso, the revelation about the lighter was amazing to fathom when you said it! I find it interesting to note that she clearly lit that lighter - that spark of a thought that’s going to keep her up all night - herself.
Leijette Riopel
2023-05-26 13:10:21 +0000 UTCyes but the version of the song that they did together did not make the album. matty also said taylor got to listen to their album before it was released through jack.
andi
2023-05-26 13:05:54 +0000 UTCThe line about ghost ships floored me, because I immediately associate that with the Cheryl Strayed essay from Tiny Beautiful Things called “The Ghost Ship That Didn’t Carry Us”, which is about how making important choices in your life always means that there is an alternative life out there, a road not taken, the path you didn’t choose, and those alternate lives are “ghost ships that didn’t carry us” that don’t become part of our story. At the end of the essay Strayed says “I’ll never know, and neither will you of the life you didn’t choose. We’ll only ever know that whatever that sister life was, it was important and beautiful and not ours. It was the ghost ship that didn’t carry us. There’s nothing to do but salute it from the shore” - as in needing to make peace with and let the other versions go and accept that we can never know what might have been. Interesting to consider if at the time she wrote this MH was lurking in the back of her head as a ghost ship, and she spent some midnights up wondering what might have been had she made a different choice, wondering about that missed connection.
Leijette Riopel
2023-05-26 13:04:48 +0000 UTC“She just needs to stop saying things.” -Bon 2023
CoreyIsSus
2023-05-26 13:00:18 +0000 UTCThe ships sentence reminds me of when you are in a relationship that presents some difficulties so you start thinking back at previous partners and flings and idealising them a little.
Anna Miotello
2023-05-26 12:59:12 +0000 UTCthe whole crash of a wave, falling headlong paragraph is SOOO gold rush to me. like “i don’t like that falling feels like flying til the bone crush”. AND also the way she dives into the stage and the WAVE washes up and then she starts singing LAVENDER HAZE of all songs.
Alex Fraser
2023-05-26 12:50:21 +0000 UTCLiterally had to unwrapped my midnights vinyl to read this again and again. I think the sad truth is that Joe was a place she wanted to hide and stay after her very public cancellation. But she was never going to be content living there. I think she recognizes that she's too big for a small life and too big to ever be happy with a private one. Joe probably knew he was never going to be enough.
Catherine Crawford
2023-05-26 12:47:03 +0000 UTCBest video! Love it when you go unhinged/loses it <3333
Bobhog
2023-05-26 12:46:26 +0000 UTCOne of my favorite things ever is watching people be mind blown by Taylor in real time…thank you for this 😂😂😂
Daniel Jackson
2023-05-26 12:45:42 +0000 UTCI saw the ghosts and anchor in your harbor as antihero through the obvious “ppl I’ve ghosted” during that graveyard shift “stand there in the room.” With this, similar type of vibes, and how ppl from the past come back to “haunt” you or the “what ifs” that could’ve been, shining bright and keeping you up, it all seems so real type of vibe. Also, for the “elevation” and how alone you are no matter how high you climb and being cold line, I see that as a general thing of her success and being at the top and also kind of antihero I suppose, where you have all this success and praise yet you feel so alone despite having all that success
CoreyIsSus
2023-05-26 12:45:41 +0000 UTCI love this!!! This is why Lana, Shyla, Jenn and I have been absolutely mental for weeks!! We've been refathoming midnights and Matty's album, and literally combusting. Read the Google doc I sent about Fathoming question and About you!
Rissy (Taylor's Version)
2023-05-26 12:45:17 +0000 UTCalso, bonny fathoming the album cover… bye. that was so clever!! this is deeply illegal, omg
mieke
2023-05-26 12:45:09 +0000 UTClove videos like this!! she is a genius and it’s actually too much to fathom this woman, most of the time i only understand stuff on the next album, so like 2 years later..
Mia Gregorio
2023-05-26 12:39:39 +0000 UTCOmg that’s so interesting! I never knew that
Courtney
2023-05-26 12:38:37 +0000 UTCYep
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 12:38:22 +0000 UTCI have no words just 🤯🤯🤯
Alysha
2023-05-26 12:37:24 +0000 UTCabsolutely!!
mieke
2023-05-26 12:37:09 +0000 UTCA novel NEEDS to be in her future!! I need her to narrate the audiobook too
Katie K
2023-05-26 12:36:21 +0000 UTCOh sweet LORD this is so much to fathom!! I swear I did read this when Midnights came out but I clearly absorbed nothing. WOW. I will be back once I have fathomed… Also I just love you girls so much, you’ve made me cry laugh today, thank you so much for blessing us with all this content! 🩷😂
Katie K
2023-05-26 12:35:38 +0000 UTCYesss I’ve come to the conclusion that several songs on folklore and evermore are about him..
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 12:32:55 +0000 UTCi think he said that in an interview last year. that they were working on songs, but they were scrapped
mieke
2023-05-26 12:32:53 +0000 UTCi swear to fucking god… if she ever writes a novel, it's over for everyone this is literally advanced prose writing
mieke
2023-05-26 12:32:00 +0000 UTCYes they worked on songs that did not make the album
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 12:31:47 +0000 UTCWait why are you saying she was recording for midnights with Matty? Are there unreleased midnights songs with him? If so it’s very interesting she never released them, maybe the lyrics were too obvious about their feelings…
Courtney
2023-05-26 12:30:46 +0000 UTCi’m having such fun watching you guys just enjoy yourselves with those vinyls 😆
khushi04
2023-05-26 12:29:54 +0000 UTCWow you guys just said some shit with the lighter on the cover! 🤯
Nele
2023-05-26 12:28:50 +0000 UTCOooh yes building off of the maroon/stranded ships comment above, the whole section about Question is giving me MAJOR gold rush vibes. She uses a lot of the same imagery (sinking ships on water, so inviting I almost jump in). I think it’s possible those two songs are connected!
Maggie
2023-05-26 12:28:35 +0000 UTCEverytime I watch these fathoming videos I thank the universe that I found your channel during Folklore era. I feel like I found my people because people in real life just don’t get “IT”. Our brains collectively get twisted for that insane blondie 😅
andi
2023-05-26 12:27:59 +0000 UTCWhat if she’s revisiting previous midnights in her life to try and understand why her relationship with Joe wasn’t feeling right, like comparing to previous realizations that went off
Chase Sinnett
2023-05-26 12:27:47 +0000 UTCOmg when Bonny said the lighter on the cover is the spark keeping her up I GASPED
tom
2023-05-26 12:26:00 +0000 UTCI was coming here to write this! Maroon is the only not obvious connection, which is so interesting !! I like your ghost ship idea - and in a cheesy way it makes me think of Pirates of the Caribbean, where they are literally ghosts on a ship - and marooned does connect with pirates 🤔
Kenna Galloway
2023-05-26 12:20:16 +0000 UTCThank you for filming this! Makes me feel like I have someone to have it with, since no one in my life really cares..
Bobhog
2023-05-26 12:19:04 +0000 UTCTHIS is the reason I am a patron of c&r. The collective fathomings and this community is just EVERYTHING. Love you guys!
elli
2023-05-26 12:16:06 +0000 UTCBut has it been fathomed yet.. that the lighter on the midnights cover might’ve been the cause of the Lover house burning down??? She’s wide awake with the lighter while it’s all burning down 😭
Floran
2023-05-26 12:15:23 +0000 UTCI think "Maroon" might be referenced in the "ghost ships" line because maroon isn't just a color. It also means "to be stranded or isolated", like on an island. So she may be using it as a double meaning (which she likes to do).
BratNDaHwz
2023-05-26 12:07:29 +0000 UTCThank you for being as prolific with your content as Taylor Swift!
Amanda Socha
2023-05-26 12:06:50 +0000 UTCHi couch friends!
Candy
2023-05-26 12:05:28 +0000 UTCi think what we have to remember aswell is that midnights isn’t like folklore or evermore where the songs were finished perhaps a week or two before the release, vinyl production is a clear hint here - it took months for folklore to be shipped whereas midnights was already made to be shipped with the release so these songs could even be a year old and so the joe songs may not have anything hinting towards a break up that we know happened relatively recently
Leigh
2023-05-26 12:01:01 +0000 UTCY’all are ICONS big love 🥰
Jessica Watt
2023-05-26 11:56:35 +0000 UTCHi besties! Love waking up to your videos!💜
Alice
2023-05-26 11:52:27 +0000 UTC“where the bad bad man gets taken away in handcuffs” aka kanye being arrested 🤔
emma louise 🫶🏼
2023-05-26 11:51:54 +0000 UTCAnd lavender haze reel could have just been for PR to keep the roll out of the album and tour going smoothly…
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 11:51:25 +0000 UTCSnow on the beach is about Matty guys
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 11:48:34 +0000 UTCwoke up at the right time 😎 6 Am in houston 🌃 love yall 😭😭🙌🏻
thrifted htx
2023-05-26 11:48:11 +0000 UTCBecause of this I love to be up early in the morning! So excited!
Zai Moyano
2023-05-26 11:47:43 +0000 UTCBLESSED 🥹 Thank you!!
Kent
2023-05-26 11:47:25 +0000 UTCHahaha I always run when y’all post 🫶 Ty For your hard work 👏🏻👏🏻
Courtney Graham
2023-05-26 11:47:00 +0000 UTCIM SO EXCITED TO WATCH 🥹
Shyla Hoffpauir
2023-05-26 11:40:56 +0000 UTCCHICKENS!!
dimple
2023-05-26 11:39:46 +0000 UTCLogged on at JUST the right time.
Rebecca
2023-05-26 11:37:11 +0000 UTC
