ONCE UPON A TIME 04X17 WATCH PARTY
Added 2025-01-28 16:00:08 +0000 UTCComments
Glad you noticed the changes in Hook too! You kinda made me like him again and wonder why I thought he was boring but here we are again haha! He's lost some of his charm now that he's with Emma, like he seems more of a side character/just Emma's kinda useless boyfriend now, which is a shame!
Nicole Heslinga
2025-02-03 13:34:39 +0000 UTCWas it only a couple of days ? Seemed way longer than that to me. And get angry, sure, but get angry like an adult, not like a 7 year old. Her behavior and bitterness is ridiculous and uncalled for, she’s literally Trying to Punish them. Especially when you consider that in anything bad that she ever done to her own child, goes unpunished. It’s always so crazy to me how she has a Child that is more mature than she is in her 30s. And her past is not enough of a excuse for her behavior, she’s not the only orphan in the world or even just on this show and funny how the other traumatized orphan knows how to be an adult not a child in an adult’s body so I know she has the ability she’s just had people enabling her bitterness since S2E1 starting with allowing her to believe that if she hadn’t been saved by her parents putting her in the tree, that they would have been together, How Emma? Nobody in the curse was together, everyone being alone was the whole point. That was the start of her self pity bitter Betty, behavior of a 7 year old routine and it’s about to swing out in full effect this arc. And it was a bit different for Snow and Charming as far as her bad or goodness. It wasn’t gonna be the same level of good or badness that another family might instill in their child. They were told that their child could be the Worst evil that had ever been seen or something. That’s alot to risk especially when you don’t know what’s ahead (like a curse that prevents you from raising that child at all). But it’s true that what they did was bad but at the end of the day the writers purposely assassinated these characters to give Emma another reason to bathe in her self pity and stomp around, angry and bitter, lying to herself and Believing that her life sucks, when in reality she has everything she’s ever wanted she just self sabatoges her own happiness like a certain someone in season 5 tells her (harshly but honestly) and that the only reason she’s not happy is because she stands in her own way which is also what she does this arc (and season 2(understandable) and season 3 and season 4 and pretty much until the show ends smh)
Layyy529625
2025-02-02 11:55:29 +0000 UTCI understand your points to an extent, but remember that Maleficent is a known villain, so that isn’t exactly evidence for how dragons are viewed in general... Also, I think the bigger issues here lie in Snow and Charming’s overall selfishness, short-sightedness, and continuous lying/deception. Why should they get to mess with the balance of the universe or with the free will that every human has, especially when they were specifically assured that if they guide the baby and raise it right, there is strong and clear potential their baby will be good? Why should they get what they want automatically and not have to do the work to ensure their child’s “goodness” like everyone else? I also agree it is really spineless that Snow and Charming didn’t go to Maleficent to try to make amends at all, and I feel like describing someone who just discovered something pretty big about her background in relation to her parents as “bitter” for lashing out for a couple days (in the show) seems a bit harsh. Why shouldn’t she be allowed any grace when you’re giving Snow and Charming the benefit of the doubt?
Even a Frozen Heart Can Melt
2025-01-31 02:29:55 +0000 UTCWell Audrey said that because she, like the Charmings, thinks it’s going to be an evil dragon, a juvenile animal. Which humans kill all the time for delicacies. And apparently dragons, in particular are evil and okay to kill in this universe seeing as I don’t remember anyone calling Emma a Murderer when she “killed” the mother of the “baby” in season one, simply because Rumple told her to. When Maleficent, to her knowledge, had never done anything to her personally. It was okay for Emma to “Kill” someone in order to save her own child back then, apparently, right? Because nobody made a fuss about that. If the life value of a dragon can be so easily disposed of by the savior, that must say something about the way dragons are regarded. As inherently evil and dangerous and if that’s what y’all think about them since y’all are okay with Emma killing one then adding a bit more evil to one isn’t an unreasonable idea.
Layyy529625
2025-01-29 17:52:32 +0000 UTCOkay so it kind of seems like you get it. That they were completely manipulated. They weren’t told the full extent of what the spell would require, the egg going to a different land, and they were horrified to find out as they had every intention of giving the egg back. Now egg-napping in the first place was wrong but every person on this show has done wrong in some way, Granny, Gepetto, Jiminy, Blue, everyone. The way a lot of fans demonized them darn near naming them villains with this storyline is insane. And you said yourself Audrey, you had No expectation of what was in the egg to be human, just like them they assumed it would be a dragon and apparently in this universe dragons are inherently evil and that’s widely accepted and to illustrate that let me remind everyone that no one seemed to have a problem with harming dragons when Emma supposedly killed this child’s mother for her own reasons when Maleficent never did anything wrong to her. The way I see it.. So the Charmings are evil when they dragon-nap, but Emma’s still perfect when she dragon-kills?? If dragons are seen as something inherently evil to be slayed, then it seems to me like giving Emma’s evilness to an inherently evil non-human monster could have been a perfectly reasonable idea thought up under the pressure of the Sorcerer’s apprentice just sitting there in his living room waiting on them to give him an answer. And speaking of Emma, I’m interested to see what you’re going to think of Emma’s behavior this 4b season. Interested to see if you believe the degree to her behavior as an adult, is justified. Most people this season demonize the Charmings and victimize Emma which the way this season is written, seems to have been the writers intent so I’m interested to see if you’re going to go along with that. Don’t wanna spoil anything but I just don’t want you to think whatever she may do this season, it’s magically because of her going dark. Back last arc a lot of people takes away accountability from Emma when she lost control of her powers in the station as her being magically manipulated when no, it was always Emma’s own insecurities that Ingrid was able to prey on. Well here it’s not Gold, turning Emma dark through any magical means it’s Emma’s own bitterness, the same bitterness she had the previous seasons that caused all her passive aggressive comments she’d throw at her parents. I just don’t want you to think whatever her behavior is this arc is Gold’s fault, it’s her own bitterness and anger that she lets get out of control, not anything magical.
Layyy529625
2025-01-29 17:36:55 +0000 UTCI wonder if charming saw Neil and Snow saw Emma. Cause Neil wasn't conceived yet but would eventually be. I don't know how specific that prophecy thing with touching the horn is. 🤔
Jennifer
2025-01-28 23:05:39 +0000 UTCI understand that they were manipulated into it, and they work at becoming the heroes they call themselves, like Regina working for redemption, but I would have had more respect for that journey if they faced Maleficent after their actions and helped her find her child, tried to make amends instead of pretending it didn't happen and lying to cover it up in the present. Their actions were selfish, as Snow claimed and they finally have to face the consequences
Kate Baro
2025-01-28 19:14:00 +0000 UTCI have to agree with you about the baby. If a baby born from heros can be bad why can't a baby born from a villain be good? I have never liked that Snow and Charming did that, then they call themselves the good guys.
HGranger
2025-01-28 18:21:55 +0000 UTCI always thought that Charming and Snow saw different things when they touched the unicorn due to their overriding emotions at the time. Charming, I think Charming's vision was fed by his hope, while Snow's vision was fed by her fear. They were both possibilities, but what they saw was down to their most prominent emotion at the time. Of course, this is just my interpretation of it On another note, it really bugs me the way Rumple called Henry 'The Boy', he seems to forget Henry is his grandson unless it's convenient for him Sorry to say it, but I disagree with you saying Snow has a valid point when saying Maleficent's child will be evil just because her mother is, that just doesn't sit right with me, like the child doesn't have a choice
Kate Baro
2025-01-28 17:11:45 +0000 UTC
