CEO Assassination
Added 2024-12-08 19:45:08 +0000 UTCGang back
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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2024/12/10/health-care-administration-wastes-half-a-trillion-dollars-every-year/
A.
2025-02-12 07:50:33 +0000 UTCRoss linked Matt's article
Bernie Mac
2024-12-14 19:11:37 +0000 UTCMatt Stoler's latest on the shitty US healthcare system gave a shout out to Matt here. Worth checking out, if they don't mention it on the podcast (haven't heard it yet)
Lydia Maria Child
2024-12-13 14:26:29 +0000 UTCmatt saw a guy shoot a guy and was like, “yeah he’s probably italian”
garf garfsson
2024-12-13 13:49:23 +0000 UTCHappy birthday Liz!! I hope you had some tasty treats and warm moments with your loved ones.
zachtgray
2024-12-12 03:10:42 +0000 UTCHey Liz, if you get the chance you should check out this mini doc. It's soul crushing in a very Louis Theroux way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFySAh0g-MI
Christian Hunt
2024-12-12 02:42:19 +0000 UTCThe systems that dictate what’s “covered” are complicated and boring but if a team of specialists thinks you need something and you’re in a public hospital it will usually happen
AM
2024-12-11 22:36:10 +0000 UTCPublic hospo doctor here - it’s very uncommon for a recommended treatment for a serious condition to be inaccessible for reasons of being “not covered” and doctors in developed countries with public/single payer care typically have an attitude of incredulous horror at the US system. But importantly that refers to inpatient hospital medicine. In Aus dental care is very poorly covered, outpatient psychiatry and allied health (physio etc) is often limited and GPs increasingly charge a “gap” on top of the fee paid by the government. Some things are hard to access due to wait times, but for urgent/serious things you will be seen. Eg you might have a long wait getting into outpatient dermatology in the public system, but if the skin condition is serious you will be triaged more quickly.
AM
2024-12-11 22:30:23 +0000 UTCI could be wrong but I thought death panels mostly dealt with life extending treatments for the terminally ill. I'm curious about how coverage for more standard treatments differs between private insurers vs public systems. One example - in my job, I help people find residential substance use treatment programs. I always prefer when they have Medicaid bc it will cover 90+ day stays (the evidence based length for effective treatment). Private facilities usually only take patients for 30 days bc that's all private insurers will cover. I'm curious about other examples like this.
Olive
2024-12-11 22:26:29 +0000 UTCSingle payer health insurance and medically assisted suicide are two completely separate issues lol
Josh B
2024-12-11 16:06:39 +0000 UTCCanada's public health system has literal death panels for the poor and disabled, and the UK is about to legalize their own medical suicide system. An upshot to a public system in a democracy is that it's under democratic control. But a downside is that sometimes the people vote for bad things!
TC
2024-12-11 05:21:57 +0000 UTCMatt, how do the "universes of covered treatments" typically compare between public systems and private insurers? One example people pointed out was insurers forcing physicians to prescribe children a seizure medication that would likely fail before moving to a more expensive but more effective medication, thus subjecting kids to a bunch of extra seizures. Do we have any reason to believe this sort of thing might happen less often under a public system?
Olive
2024-12-10 18:37:32 +0000 UTCI think people are just waiting for the manifesto to drop so we have a better sense of his specific motives and backstory.
The Bruenigs
2024-12-10 16:50:16 +0000 UTCIt’s Luigis all the way down
Joey Trimboli
2024-12-10 14:59:32 +0000 UTCAljazeera had a pro assassination op ed
Josh
2024-12-10 14:26:50 +0000 UTChttps://www.cnn.com/2024/12/07/us/video/unitedhealthcare-ceo-death-online-reaction-ctm-digvid In this vid they discuss how UnitedHealthcare’s memorial Facebook post got 90k laughing emoji reactions. Facebook is hardly a hotbed of dirtbag leftist activity, and those are people presumably using their real profiles. This would go in the “this is based” category of reactions. I’m not seeing much “he is a hero” stuff, mostly just bitter, mocking indifference
David Cole
2024-12-10 14:17:42 +0000 UTCThere's been a lack of takes on the assassination in the op-ed pages. Maybe one or two in the times? One new yorker article. I was surprised by this and kept waiting for more to drop. Maybe it's hard to say anything interesting about it while treading carefully. Does their silence speak volumes?
Bernie Mac
2024-12-10 13:32:27 +0000 UTCListening to this thinking Matt knew it was another Luigi
Josh
2024-12-10 03:39:12 +0000 UTCMatt can you drop the citation for your $528 B in excess spending on health care admin. If you are going to do a post that’s great. Thanks, I’ll listen off the air
Ben Trenary
2024-12-09 22:27:47 +0000 UTCLuigis rising up across space and time. Beautiful.
Marla M
2024-12-09 20:44:38 +0000 UTCWhat did they know...
Jonny
2024-12-09 20:25:42 +0000 UTCCame here to say the same
Chiara Rohz
2024-12-09 20:15:59 +0000 UTCOn what appears to be Mangione’s GoodReads account, the 26-year-old reviewed the Unabomber’s book, giving it four stars out of five. In his lengthy review, Magnione described Ted Kaczynski’s “In Industrial Society and Its Future” as a book “clearly written by a mathematics prodigy” adding that it “reads like a series of lemmas on the question of 21st century quality of life.” “It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies” the review reads. “But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out.” He adds: “He was a violent individual - rightfully imprisoned - who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.”
Chiara Rohz
2024-12-09 20:15:35 +0000 UTCi came back to express my disbelief that the guys name is luigi
victor recabarren
2024-12-09 20:02:37 +0000 UTCIt’s another guy named Luigi!
Kent Kersten
2024-12-09 19:57:23 +0000 UTCOkay Matt’s analysis of the ceo shooter is incredibly apt, the suspected shooter has a lengthy positivie review of the ted kaczynski book on goodreads lol
Orb
2024-12-09 19:12:32 +0000 UTCCurious (for the day that’s in it) if you believe in the immaculate conception of Mary? (Question directed atLiz obv!)
Bronagh S.
2024-12-09 19:06:58 +0000 UTCNo, there is a huge difference between "this is a tragedy" and "this was an act of heroism." I know you disagree, but I don't think extrajudicial murder is ever justified and it's warped to view it as "breaking from elite consensus" as if mob justice, lynching, vigilantism are commendable.
TC
2024-12-09 13:02:58 +0000 UTCYeah I'm going "distinction without a difference" on this one. I hold lots of views that I don't express in their most strident/extreme form at work. The belief that a health insurance CEO is responsible for the enormous suffering their company causes and could justifiably merit a violent response is the key break with elite consensus politics, the affect is just context-specific window dressing.
Ian H
2024-12-09 12:59:58 +0000 UTCA great bit would be to swaddle the Baby Jesus in a kaffiyeh in the Nativity display that Bill Donohue's Catholic League puts out across from the Plaza Hotel every year.
Tim Masterson
2024-12-09 12:23:19 +0000 UTC"Hey I've got a good faith question, are you guys a) dumb b) delusional or c) lying"
Otto Laakso
2024-12-09 11:57:04 +0000 UTCGreat episode gang- felt like a really old school one in a great way. Loved the conversation on social violence etc. Happy late birthday Liz!
Chiara Rohz
2024-12-09 09:22:23 +0000 UTCI've heard a fair amount of "murder is bad, but healthcare is fucked up and it's easy to see how someone could have been driven to do this," but I haven't heard any "actually this was based and the shooter's a hero," which are two very different things. The latter I'm seeing mostly in left and left-liberal online spaces. Like Matt said, I'd like to see the polling.
TC
2024-12-09 05:06:38 +0000 UTCI live in a very purple county in PA and work in a restaurant. Every single person I've heard speak about it in person, from the 50-something Army vet dishwasher, to my fellow cooks, to the zoomer psych student bartender, to my establishment lib mom, to other parents at library storytime, has taken some version of the view that "murder is bad, but . . .". Some sort of horrifically painful, impoverishing, humiliating interaction with the healthcare system is an almost universal American experience.
Ian H
2024-12-09 04:37:27 +0000 UTCGood faith question for Liz or Matt or people in the comments: when people speak of the notion that the "entire world celebrated" the murder, are they commenting on how their bubble (social media or real life or both) is perceiving this event, are they trying to wish this into existence, and/or are they just repeating this talking point because they've heard it elsewhere and it's a narrative being pushed by (some) media orgs? I ask because from my observations, celebrations have not been uniform online or in real life. I see very few corners of right-wing twitter celebrating. The oft-cited Ben Shapiro comments section on YouTube was brigaded by redditors. Maybe it's the bubble theory again and not to go all Tom Friedman but I haven't heard anyone in my personal life IRL speak glowingly of the murder. (And no, I'm not wealthy or living in a particularly left-liberal area, as are none of my co-workers, neighbors or friends.)
TC
2024-12-09 04:23:38 +0000 UTCcharming
The Bruenigs
2024-12-09 04:06:37 +0000 UTCAh ok thanks
Berlyn Cobian
2024-12-09 03:56:20 +0000 UTCFetterman also specifically referenced the death of a child in the pager attacks with "Unfortunately, daddy was a member of Hezbollah"
Ian H
2024-12-09 03:44:15 +0000 UTCI think it's probably from The Condition of the Working-Class in England by Engels, where he first defined "social murder"
Ian H
2024-12-09 02:30:16 +0000 UTCGang back includes rick perry
Ryan Reynolds
2024-12-09 02:07:30 +0000 UTCHappy belated birthday, Liz. I also had a birthday party last year in my 30s for the first time since I was a child and similarly my takeaway was that, you know what, turns out inviting all your favorite people over for a party fuckin rocks.
Kevin C
2024-12-09 01:59:25 +0000 UTC“some of the busch lights are out” you’re telling me man 🍻
garf garfsson
2024-12-09 01:42:31 +0000 UTCI would honestly read an entire book of Matt quotes eviscerating the centrist faux-wonks
Josh B
2024-12-09 01:32:46 +0000 UTCI like that quote in the beginning about murder. Did anyone catch where it's from? I'd like to reread it
Berlyn Cobian
2024-12-09 01:04:48 +0000 UTCIn 2023 there were about 208 uncleared homicides in NYC by my count. They didn't all seem to merit weeklong multi-state dragnets. It seems like a real failure of journalism that as far as I know, no one has asked Jessica Tisch or Eric Adams why they're doing all this.
Ian H
2024-12-09 00:06:00 +0000 UTC
