Final Reflection on Student Protests; Natural Family Planning; Lauren Southern
Added 2024-05-08 02:45:47 +0000 UTCGang back.
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So the scenario with just one man or one bear is actually much safer than the real forest
Teddy Duchow-Pressley
2024-05-24 23:37:12 +0000 UTCThe "in the woods with a man or bear?" thing seems confused because every time I've been in the woods there have definitely been both men and bears there
Teddy Duchow-Pressley
2024-05-24 23:36:08 +0000 UTCThank you for this! That was very helpful and clarifying
Jeanne
2024-05-24 01:49:42 +0000 UTCDamn, can’t imagine having to work around the catho stuff just to get a little nookie from the wifey. I already have to take her on vacation just to get her in the mood 😅
Whitey
2024-05-21 21:35:10 +0000 UTCYou misunderstood this part of the conversation. The Church has identified a principle, that sex is only good when it leads to procreation. This makes it impossible for the Church to have a sensible (birth control is fine) position consistent with Church doctrine (sex is only for procreation). The solution is to change the principle to sex is good whenever it is healthy or good for the marriage.
Murtaent
2024-05-20 02:04:37 +0000 UTCNo, married couples who can’t get pregnant for whatever reason have no prohibition against sex and in fact most literature on the topic I’ve read encourages sex within any marriage for the sake of strengthening the relationship, intimacy, etc. The prohibition against birth control I think is better understood as falling under the general category of a pro-life orientation—making the choice to stop a possible pregnancy from happening is to be closed off from the creation of life. So it’s not that sex is JUST for procreation, but that the natural consequences of sex should be allowed to play out naturally.
Sarah
2024-05-15 11:59:00 +0000 UTCI’m Catholic and “do” NFP I guess, in the sense of strategizing around my cycles. I do think it’s Jesuit Tricks but I’m also not comfortable doing something that is expressly forbidden and that I’d need to go to confession for like every week. A tense situation! The thing that I hope matters more and is pleasing in God’s eyes is my two children and my openness to the possibility of more before my age/health catches up with me.
Sarah
2024-05-15 11:49:31 +0000 UTCI think Matt is missing the larger point about the Catholic Church and making laws or rules. You can't just write the rule to exclude the 15 points you don't like and cover the 5 you do. You have to write that rule in such a way that it doesn't undermine the very foundation of why you have been put into a position to make laws that have any influence over people to begin with. It has to be something that remains consistent, at least somewhat or superficially or optically, with 2,000 years of church doctrine. You can't be seen to be making the rule arbitrarily. It's like the Supreme Court. You have to write your opinion as if it flows naturally from the history and tradition and text of the constitution, even though that's not how you actually got there. The entire power of the institution comes from this deception. If you admit that, "look, we're just people in a room talking this over. None of it is us interpreting the text" you will collapse the authority of the institution. The Supreme Court only has to bullshit with 200 years of history. The Catholic Church has so much more they have to account for.
JohnG
2024-05-14 23:57:54 +0000 UTCLove this point. I grew up fundamentalist and lost my faith when I learned about evolution in college. I got a degree in biochemistry and there was just no way to square it. I am now Christian again because I discovered that it is possible to hold both ideas at once. It just really seemed to me growing up based on what my church said that if one idea fell, they all fell.
Marcy Snyder
2024-05-10 13:50:10 +0000 UTCI recently resubbed so I’m not caught up on the Bru lore but has Matt taken any steps to protect his intellectual property? I’m worried about my boy being supplanted by a manager side nerd.
Tom Adams
2024-05-10 07:46:56 +0000 UTCProblem with the tradewife guys is they don't realize they're consuming fetish content. Guys into walking people on leashes or whatever don't expect their wives to wear the fetish gear 24/7 but the tradwife guys expect their wives to never break character. A little honesty about the content they're consuming would go a long way.
KMB24
2024-05-10 01:00:49 +0000 UTCUr gonna flip when you get to your back catalogue, dude. Ur gonna be so happy.
Kevin C
2024-05-10 00:53:50 +0000 UTCAs a youth, I am too baby (and too foreign) to have remembered Cindy Sheehan. Thank you Bruenigs for keeping the flame alive.
Christian Hunt
2024-05-10 00:28:23 +0000 UTCThey've talked about Gaza quite a bit?
James Rogerson
2024-05-10 00:17:36 +0000 UTCMy instagram is all chabad people blowtorching their kitchens during pesach - it whips
Christian Hunt
2024-05-09 22:02:46 +0000 UTC“space babies”
Charles Sapienza
2024-05-09 18:43:59 +0000 UTCI can see why you guys would want to give the k-hole ep poor marks, but personally I really enjoyed the real time journey from Ketamined-Liz to Sassy Liz as the effects gradually waned. That was at least as solid a bit as reverse-engineering Star Wars and Harry Potter with Matt.
Skeleton Key
2024-05-09 17:23:52 +0000 UTCIt’s actually really weird to avoid talking about Gaza for months but find time to play Macklemore’s song about it. Kind of makes it seem like you forgot it was going on until it affected weirdo professors and downtown traffic.
Will Barshop
2024-05-09 17:19:48 +0000 UTCAlso the “practical cook” and “artisan cook” relationship dynamic has also been posited by my fiancé
Sarah Camino
2024-05-09 16:48:07 +0000 UTCNot for the sake of “proving” or “convincing” anyone, but for those interested, one way to think through the 2,000 years of reflection on contraception is: 1. The focal case the Church is concerned with is within a sacramental marriage between two physically and mentally healthy Catholics, and in that context: 2. Contraception is not a sexual act, but a separate, different, choice/action from sex. 3. The choice to have sex does not require intending pregnancy and can be done with many good intents and purposes. 3a. Infertility, even when fully known before the marriage, does not prevent getting married in the Catholic Church and there is no prohibition against sex after a hysterectomy, menopause, tubal ligation, or a vasectomy. 4. To contracept is to choose to act with the intention of preventing pregnancy, of preventing the coming to being of a new life. It is in this narrow, immediate sense that it is called an “anti-life” choice/act. You can choose to contracept (and commit the “sin” of contraception) without ever having sex. 5. Outside of the context of point 1 above, the teaching in some cases doesn’t apply at all: 5a. So, when nuns (and presumably anyone) work in areas they are likely to be raped, they have taken contraception (chose to contracept) with approval of various Church authorities. 5b. The same applies for male and female sex workers. In these and like cases there is no sin of contraception at all. 6. In other cases outside of point 1, the teaching applies, but it would take heroic virtue to accomplish. Choosing contraception in these cases is a sin of weakness (venial sins in the old language) – it’s not great or ideal, but who is? These cannot be “serious,” because the will is not choosing freely, but as-it-were with a gun to the head. Ideally, couples could practice NFP, but for 1,000 different reasons that just doesn’t work for many couples who have serious reasons to not have more children. 7a. Objections: “What about a Catholic couple that has a sacramental wedding, great health, much wealth, could effortlessly practice NFP, but decides to contracept because they are just too selfish to have kids or who hate human life?” Sure, all seven of those couples are going to have to have a serious talk with The Lord when they die. 7b. “So you’re saying that Pope Francis could distribute condoms to transgender sex workers?” Yep. See, “How Pope Francis opened the Vatican to transgender sex workers” https://wapo.st/4afTeNR 7c. “Why doesn’t NFP=Contraception?” In brief, in NFP you don’t do something (sex during fertile times), but not having sex is not a sin.
AllOutOfPlans
2024-05-09 16:13:37 +0000 UTCRandom dude in the woods,, sounds like some blok who escaped the in laws to punch some rocks hapoy turkey day
Jn
2024-05-09 15:36:12 +0000 UTCKMB24, no, it is not true.
AllOutOfPlans
2024-05-09 14:45:55 +0000 UTCCan I get a trigger warning if the other guest is someone who worked for Jeff Sessions, defended Trump's "Muslim ban," and is a fan if separating migrant children from their parents?
AllOutOfPlans
2024-05-09 14:45:24 +0000 UTCIt would be, practically speaking, very difficult, chaotic, and embarrassing but no one said repentance was going to be pleasant or easy
Jack Brownfield
2024-05-09 12:03:13 +0000 UTCAlso, how anyone can look at the fruits of the sexual revolution (maybe the most malignant instantiation of the ongoing liberal revolution) and see anything but profound disorder and inevitable atomization is beyond me...
TC
2024-05-09 02:24:02 +0000 UTCSaying "oops, we've been wrong about this extremely important topic that we've reaffirmed over and over and over again for 2,000 years" would be immensely destabilizing and delegitimizing though.
TC
2024-05-09 02:18:10 +0000 UTCI've read Catholic natural law theorists try to explain why it's okay to regulate (i.e. criminalize) gay sex acts on the grounds that it can't result in procreation without applying the same logic to infertile married couples and it's all extremely circular, tortured stuff
Josh B
2024-05-09 02:02:53 +0000 UTC“Brewnig” might work
Justin Hubbard
2024-05-08 21:52:38 +0000 UTCThe AI is autocorrecting "Bruenig" to "Brueing" because it "thinks" it's more likely that it was a transposition error. Give it a more explicit phoenetic spelling that excludes the transposition error it thinks it is seeing
Miles Van de Wetering
2024-05-08 21:32:09 +0000 UTCPlease do! They don't put the guests in the show descriptions anymore
Sam Harrison
2024-05-08 20:52:02 +0000 UTCIs it true that the church says you can't have sex unless procreation is at least a possibility? That would mean women post menopause could not have sex and couples diagnosed with infertility had to abstain. That's not how I understood the prohibition on artificial birth control.
KMB24
2024-05-08 20:21:05 +0000 UTCThis is actually one of my least favorite thing about being Jewish tbh. The stuff that resonated with me is always the stuff related to welcoming the stranger, Tikkun Olam (yeah I'm reform what of it) etc. The kosher stuff has always seemed to me like, I'm sorry, mumbo jumbo cult shit.
Folks,,
2024-05-08 18:54:13 +0000 UTCLiz can you update us somehow when you're on LRC (or other pods)?
zachtgray
2024-05-08 17:42:56 +0000 UTCI was so desperate for you to stop the mackelmore song that I said “ok I get it” out loud like 3 times in my car while it was playing lol
Orb
2024-05-08 17:20:49 +0000 UTCRe: the worry that caving on non-procreative sex will make the RCC lose ground on other questions. This strikes me as the Catholic magisterial version of the fundamentalist refusal to admit any errors in the Bible because that would undermine the whole structure- 'if not 6000 years old then who's to say the Resurrection even happened?' But (from my perspective) you don't need this kind of perfect, infallible foundation because Jesus Christ Himself is the church's one foundation. So we can admit that we continually mess things up as sinful creatures and that God alone reforms and rules His church and trust that He actually does that even through our many failures and mistakes
Jack Brownfield
2024-05-08 15:48:59 +0000 UTCI have also struggled to reconcile and therefore abide by the NFP doctrine. To me, it has always seemed like the whole “open to life” thing is really less about NFP being ineffective when having sex during infertile periods and much more just betting on the fact that you’re going to be horny enough to fuck up and have sex during one of those fertile periods.
Sarah Camino
2024-05-08 14:46:56 +0000 UTCCharming tbh
Christian Hunt
2024-05-08 14:04:42 +0000 UTCHeck, I enjoyed K-hole Liz.
Richard
2024-05-08 12:10:58 +0000 UTCIt seems like one of the main problems the trad ladies have is the inability to get past the race/class prejudice that motivates them as much as the gender role stuff. Like, there are huge swaths of the globe where "traditional" family arrangements like those they envision are the norm, and lots of nice, normal guys from Guatemala or Nigeria or Bangladesh etc. are looking for that. Amongst the college-educated westerners to which they restrict themselves though, an open insistence on strict "traditional" gender roles is decidedly *not* normal, and tends to correlate with the sort of obsessive grievances and curdled sense of superiority which don't make for a pleasant partner.
Ian H
2024-05-08 05:59:16 +0000 UTCMatt's thing on the course of the sex acts in toto reminded me of the debates after HV was published and in particular Herbert McCabe's remark that in a football game, not all kicks are aimed at goal (at least, not if you want to win).
James Rogerson
2024-05-08 03:15:22 +0000 UTCThat Judaism is a legalistic religion so the loopholes are chill was what my Orthodox rabbi grandfather told me too. It makes sense but I have to admit it was still silly to watch him tape down the fridge light so he could open it on Shabbos without breaking the rules
TCE
2024-05-08 03:07:31 +0000 UTC
