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There's also a 10/7 denialist :O
TC
2024-03-14 01:35:06 +0000 UTCLate to the party here, I always thought the most compelling arg for the Tom Cotton piece was “this US senator is saying in private to the powers that be. The public should know that this is what he’s saying.” Like, his influence/power does not come from the NYT OP-ED page. It comes from the fact that he’s a US Senator. Seems like a good thing to let the public know that he’s saying this to Trump + any governor who will listen.
Kevin C
2024-03-11 23:18:14 +0000 UTCHey Bruenigs there’s genocide denial in your comment section
Will Barshop
2024-03-11 16:47:27 +0000 UTCSurely the arg is not "Cotton's op-ed will cause the National Guard to be deployed and that will harm people". To me a much stronger version is "the op-ed unnecessarily turns up the temperature of the discourse and will make people more likely to think that the protests are highly violent and respond with Rittenhouse-style violence"
Teddy Duchow-Pressley
2024-03-08 02:18:29 +0000 UTCI don’t think Trump would stop war in Gaza, he would probably make it worse. But I think that if he supports the genocide, democrats might reflexively oppose the genocide and then there would at least be one party against the genocide. Maybe they could make a difference at the midterms by electing anti war senators and congressman (I don’t think this would solve the problem because democrats would just find an excuse not to stop the genocide) but it could lead to a shorter genocide. Palestinians are fucked regardless.
Caleb Schlegel
2024-03-08 00:02:04 +0000 UTCI think this post by Max Blumenthal sums up the differences you mention between the NYT story and what the UN found credible. The UN report also finds much of the same about Palestinian hostages in Israel, and calls on Israel to allow the UN to conduct an investigation, in addition to calling for Hamas to release the hostages and protect their human rights. https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740641517847335009?t=zOEmnzbdh8Wau22O-Ah2fQ&s=19
Stinky Pete
2024-03-06 20:24:28 +0000 UTCTrue, even if the customers move to something from the same parent company, the people in charge of that brand have to worry about their own performance figures
Stinky Pete
2024-03-06 19:47:39 +0000 UTCI think it had an impact on the undercurrent of the discourse, wherein more people became literate to issues that they vaguely cared about, spurring the work toward a coherent vision of what it means to reallocate municipal budgets. Even though a lot of new "progressive DAs" got shot down by manufactured backlash, their ideas became an option where before there was a lacuna. The Civil Rights Act came 9 years after the protests over the murder of Emmett Till.
Stinky Pete
2024-03-06 18:26:25 +0000 UTCYeah, I didn't see it as a potential cause of the NG being brought out, but as a waste of space for someone who already has a public forum (the Senate) for his opinions, and that the right way to inform people of a government official's opinion is to report on it, interspersed with relevant facts. It is usually glib to call one outlet or another stenographers for power/police, but this is too literal!
Stinky Pete
2024-03-06 18:09:58 +0000 UTCI remember getting swept up in the Tom Cotton thing and trying to cancel my subscription, and their line for it was super busy, so that was probably a big part of it outside of the union. They had a confluence of bad optics because not only was a Senator calling for military suppression of a protest because of [isolated incidents], but it was the same one who said slavery was "a necessary evil" in order to complain that the 1619 project was being unfair, and having the name Cotton tied him at least superficially to slavery, so there was a big opposition to normalizing that opinion from that direction. I was thinking he could just say his opinion in a speech, and the paper could just report on it instead, so they were wasting space for a redundancy as well. They smoothed it over more by getting Angela Davis to write an op-ed than by firing the editor, though. It would have been enough to say "uhh we made him a junior editor now so he's not the last word on what to publish anymore" or whatever.
Stinky Pete
2024-03-06 18:01:08 +0000 UTC"She's a thinking man's prostitute" lmfao
TS + KL
2024-03-05 22:59:15 +0000 UTCI called you Matt! Kilynn
TS + KL
2024-03-05 22:56:24 +0000 UTCA+D are sub-literate cocaine addled racist morons.
Chance Walker
2024-03-05 13:31:35 +0000 UTCYou take the flag more seriously than real life lol. Name one Jew the Houthis have killed. You can’t just like you can’t justify the mass starvation and genocide of 2 million people in Gaza.
Chance Walker
2024-03-05 13:28:36 +0000 UTCYou’re talking to a genocide supporter so I’m glad you think his catch phrase is catchy. WTF lol
Chance Walker
2024-03-05 13:26:40 +0000 UTCI actually read the UN report. It finds no evidence of rape, but that doesn’t mean there was no evidence originally. After all the extremist group Zaka whose volunteers were relied on for the initial clean up are religiously opposed to the concept of forensic science because they believe it desecrates the body. What the report does cite are credible claims by credible witnesses. Something the New York Times and all previous reporting never found. I believe there is a strong likelihood that most of these witnesses are telling the truth, however I am personally highly questioning the credibility of the same witnesses saying Hamas was raping dismembered corpses or gang raping dead bodies. I find that claim simply too insane to believe. It doesn’t justify genocide. Nothing does. However the sensationalist by the NYT and others reporting was clearly part of a campaign to justify the genocide. Every group that talked to Zaka did so because they looked for sources elsewhere, couldn’t find any, then they asked the Israeli military for sources and was pointed to Zaka.
Chance Walker
2024-03-05 13:20:10 +0000 UTCThe report you’re referring to may be credible, but it doesn’t preport to show a campaign of mass rape which was what was alleged. It also says Hamas was raping dismembered corpses which I take as a highly doubtful if not outright discrediting claim. Relying on the Zaka sources which were already discredited before the NYT article was even published is absolutely discrediting. Those reporters weren’t even conflict reporters and the admissions Schwartz made in the Hebrew podcast interview they cite are also damning.
Chance Walker
2024-03-05 13:12:08 +0000 UTCChance, I thought that's where this EP was originally going to head in the first few minutes -- seems a much stronger case for the "journalism can cause harm, actually" position than the Cotton op-ed
Norman X. Picklestein
2024-03-05 10:56:30 +0000 UTCOMG you continued to go HAM in the comments and then I find out you’re a red scare listener!!! lol I’m so happy we have overlap 🫶
Matthew R Hanson
2024-03-05 09:46:14 +0000 UTCAlso I’ve never heard the term “Hamasnik” until just now - dunno if it’s big in the Twitter streets but it sounds kind of cool TBH I’m not pro-HAMAS but it’s kind of catchy #justSaying
Matthew R Hanson
2024-03-05 09:34:17 +0000 UTCI would agree with your supposition that he did in fact miss that UN report which was published today. His comment was like 12 hours ago and yours was 3h ago. Not everybody can read every article the day it comes out. Honestly I didn’t even know what Chance was talking about specifically re: “NYT mass rape claims” but then I read your comment and was like WHOA 🤯 Maybe Chance is wrong but even if so his comment doesn’t seem that inflammatory / hyperbolic? Once you say “but of course your line is always” this shit takes such a wild turn. Like I’m assuming you don’t actually know Chance IRL so you’re actually having an argument with someone else but man what a roller coaster!! 🎢
Matthew R Hanson
2024-03-05 09:28:34 +0000 UTCYou must have missed the UN report published today laying out how they found credible evidence of mass and ongoing war rape on behalf of Hamas. But of course your line is always going to be "it didn't happen, but it should have, and if it ever does happen, they deserve it." We all saw the paraglider memes. Also the Intercept article was a poorly reported joke that cited that lunatic zei_squirrel as a legitimate source and tried to claim that a Jewish journalist liking (the horror!) three inflammatory tweets on 10/7 is somehow eternally discrediting. The whole thing is obviously a smear job by Hamasniks in retaliation for the UNRWA scandal and the revelation that some journos participated in the 10/7 terrorist attack.
TC
2024-03-05 05:47:22 +0000 UTCIt's your history that is warped, my friend. And if the Houthis want to beat the "kill em all" allegations, they should probably take "Death to Israel, Curse the Jews" off their flag...
TC
2024-03-05 05:44:10 +0000 UTCA+D are friends of this pod (and not fascists), and I first started listening to them in part due to Liz's abortion guest ep and the glowing endorsement she gave them in their breakthrough Cut profile back in...was it 2018?
TC
2024-03-05 05:39:05 +0000 UTCI understand your point about how the capitalist class owns everything and boycotts don't really affect their bottom line all that much, but they do get cultural results under certain circumstances. Take Bud Light. What they did was incredibly innocuous (gave a beer to one influencer for one video on their own stream), but I doubt they or any similar brand will every try anything remotely close ever again.
Tim Masterson
2024-03-05 01:06:46 +0000 UTCah, fond memories of Ivan Panin...
ssalava
2024-03-05 00:20:14 +0000 UTCYeah, I think another underrated factor here is the fact that NYT is getting closer to being the *only newspaper*. Like if I recall correctly, the NYT, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are the only US papers that still have foreign reporters in their direct employ, and the bureaus at the Post and LAT are dwarfed by the two New York papers. With most other regional or big city papers reduced to whisper-thin pamphlets with just enough wire stories and syndicated columns to makes space for ads (my poor Baltimore Sun being the example in my mind), and the WSJ having a clear political slant/audience, the NYT kind of *is* the arbiter of consensus truth.
Ian H
2024-03-05 00:13:05 +0000 UTCYeah, not to be too "no ethical consumption under capitalism" about it, but I always wonder who these people think the left-wing fast food magnates are. Like, you can pretty much guarantee that that ¢.5 of political spending is going somewhere reactionary no matter which chicken sandwich it's extracted from, because those are the politics of investors and private capitalists.
Ian H
2024-03-04 23:59:32 +0000 UTCThe glee of lunatics is holding a racist position i.e. Zionism and proceeding to taunt you with its illogical nature. Sometimes it's best not to engage with such people.
Christian Hunt
2024-03-04 23:05:52 +0000 UTCJane in the Y in the road meme: bright sunny path leads to cryptography, dark spooky path leads to numerology
Justin Hubbard
2024-03-04 22:30:41 +0000 UTCI think there's a real case that dishonest 'hard' reporting at the nytimes -- eg judith miller on iraq or the hamas rape story -- has contributed to death & misery in the wider world. A much stronger case for this at least than the same for nasty op-eds. & I wonder whether a guilty conscience re: these much more sinister fabrications is what allowed the cotton op-ed to be so successfully wielded in that internal fight.
Anders Scholl
2024-03-04 22:02:41 +0000 UTCthe fried chicken culture war thing has always been so lulu to me because fast food is extremely morally compromised on every level, from environmental impact, to the way the animals are raised, to the labor conditions of the workers at the restaurant. you've had to make peace with so many little atrocities by the time that sandwich gets in your hand that it's really hard for me to believe that .5 cents going to anti-gay causes is the meaningful ethical tipping point. to be clear i do eat fast food!
a.j. archer
2024-03-04 19:57:38 +0000 UTCI would love to hear y’all discuss the disaster going at the New York Times right now regarding them being caught red-handed lying about the credibility of claims of mass rape on Oct 7. I know it’s a touchy subject, but from a journalistic perspective it’s very important not to manufacture propaganda to justify genocide.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:45:25 +0000 UTCPeople in Puerto Rico after Maria were taking pictures of expired airdropped food in a place thousands of miles closer and full of American citizens, so that wouldn't be surprising. Even in the best case, you have to figure a "meal" here is a 1,200 calorie MRE, which is below the starvation threshold already, and waaay below the 4,000 daily calories needed for a starving person to begin recovering.
Ian H
2024-03-04 19:43:09 +0000 UTCYou listen to Red Scare? You’re not beating the fascist allegations my guy.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:35:48 +0000 UTCHamas and Houthis do not have a “kill em all” position. That’s a fiction you made up in your head. You and other ignorant people use the 1948 War to justify the expulsion of Palestinians, except you neglect that the war began as a result of the expulsions not the other way around. The same way you use Operation Al-Aqsa Flood to justify decades of starvation and siege in Gaza even though the latter came first. Your entire worldview is based on retroactive justification because if you learned the history in chronological order you would have to confront facts you find inconvenient for your worldview. American Zionists even recognizing that Palestinians existed before 1948 is a relatively new phenomenon. Until the 90s the propaganda line morons like you would spout was that the land was completely uninhabited before Israel was created. An absurd fantasy, but not that much more absurd than the belief that expelling the Palestinians was justified because of a war that begun as a result of those expulsions. And your claim about the founders not having a “kill em all” attitude is contradicted by their actual statements and actions at the time. Of course you’ve never studied this history except in order to cherry pick it for justifications to commit unspeakable crimes in the modern day.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:34:21 +0000 UTCI've been seeing some chatter online about how some of the food dropped was actually expired. An additional insult to the Gazans, sadly.
Norman X. Picklestein
2024-03-04 19:25:06 +0000 UTCit wasn't a formal decision by the union, it was just a loud caucus of people within the union speaking as the union....wasn't like we were given the opportunity to vote on what the union position should be or anything. i pay my dues the same as everyone else. at stake here was the question "should the NYT fire you if twitter gets really mad at you?" and for reasons you can probably imagine i didn't like the idea of twitter deciding if i got to keep my job or not. so when NYT folded and let twitter make the call, i quit
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 19:24:19 +0000 UTCIn your opinion opposition to genocide = fascism but committing genocide = not fascism. Extremely disturbing and out of touch with reality.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:23:43 +0000 UTCI’m against Russian War in Ukraine, although it should be noted that Israel killed more children in the first week of their genocidal campaign against Gaza than Russia has killed in 2 years of invasion of Ukraine. Furthermore you say Hamas has done worse than what Israel is doing now. What are you referring to? When did Hamas commit such acts and what are you referring to?
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:22:02 +0000 UTCI didn’t say that anywhere, but I did reply very directly to the points you made. You just resort to accusations of bigotry because you have nothing to say about the substantive debate and your position completely lacks moral credibility.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 19:19:54 +0000 UTCMystery attorney presumably transferring $5 of those management side wages to the the bruenig fund every month.
Abby
2024-03-04 19:08:54 +0000 UTCIf you assume, which you shouldn't, that every single pallet of food aid dropped by high-altitude c-130 survived the fall, and landed in Gaza rather than Israeli-controlled territory or the sea, the grand total claimed is 38,000 meals. For over 300,000 people in severe starvation in the North, or over 2,000,000 people in Gaza entire.
Ian H
2024-03-04 18:30:49 +0000 UTCThe alliance between the oikophobic left and Islamist fascists never ceases to confound.
TC
2024-03-04 18:13:13 +0000 UTCProviding material aid to US-designated terrorist groups (Islamist fascists, no less) is illegal. Weird how you have a problem with Israeli conduct but have no qualms with Hamas doing the same and worse whenever they get the opportunity. At least you people are being honest about supporting terrorists now instead of the equicovating bs that used to be standard. What's your opinion on Russian shelling of residential buildings in Ukraine for the past two years btw?
TC
2024-03-04 18:00:24 +0000 UTCYou're an anti-semitic loon taken in by deranged conspiracy theories who delights in dead Jews and wants them cleansed from the Middle East. If 10/7 was "justified," then retaliation is expected. But you don't want that, you just want every Jew in Israel to roll over and die.
TC
2024-03-04 17:54:42 +0000 UTCHuge percentage of dead Gazan people are children…Idf keeps killing hostages because they literally shoot anything that moves…mass starvation due to isreali citizens and the idf keeping aid out… all normal war stuff according to TC. No issues at all with sniping children, breaking all normal rules of war. I really wish I could send Hamas some weapons rn
Anthony Miller
2024-03-04 17:51:29 +0000 UTC“Not reading all that.” Not surprising considering that Zionists are allergic to truth. “Palestinians were Hitler supporters in the 30s” No that was the British Empire that tried to facilitate Nazi deportations of Jews from Europe to Zionist colonies in Palestine. The British appointed the Mufti you are probably thinking of and he was a despised collaborator. The “hostage deal” did not include the release of any Palestinian hostages or an end to the genocidal military operation in Gaza. So there’s no deal if no Palestinian hostages are being released and no end to the occupation is on the table. That is obviously a “surrender or die” order being used to justify the ongoing genocide and fool gullible semi-illiterates like yourself. As for your claim about “groypers” you would have to be a complete idiot to not recognize the extreme-right are 99% pro-Zionist. Go to any fascist rally in the Western Hemisphere and you will see Israeli flags everywhere. Oct 7 was justified legally because under international law people living under military occupation have a right to armed resistance. It was justified morally because the people of Gaza tried mass non-violent resistance in 2018 during the Great March of Return and Israel responded by opening my massacring hundreds and intentionally maiming hundreds more. It was from this that the unified command of all the resistance groups originated. Also your claim about it being the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust is wrong for three reasons: 1. You’re counting occupying soldiers as civilians. Any uniformed soldier is a legitimate combatant. 2. The vast majority of civilian casualties were caused by Israel massacring their own people such as the Apache Helicopter strafing fleeing civilians from the attacked music festival and the intentional high volume shelling of the Kibbutz. “Mass Hannibal.” Referring to the infamous IDF Hannibal Order. 3. Even if you discard points 1 and 2 as lies the massacre of Jewish people in US backed dictatorships in Latin America, especially the Argentine Junta, resulted in tens of thousands of Jews murdered by the United States and their fascist proxies.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 17:50:22 +0000 UTCNot reading all that, but there was literally a ceasefire deal on the table this weekend that Hamas rejected outright because it involved releasing hostages. And the Hitler analogy is rich considering Palestinians were Nazi sympathizers in the 30s and 40s, people like you think 10/7 (the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust) was justified, and all the groypers today are pro-Palestine.
TC
2024-03-04 17:31:54 +0000 UTCYou should be ashamed of your blatant genocide denial. Every member of the Israeli war cabinet have made multiple statements of genocidal intent and incitement for their military to commit genocide. Everyday the leaders of Israel say the civilians are as guilty as the combatants and justify their intentional mass murder. Nobody in Israel believes this war is for “hostages.” That’s a lie for low IQ Americans like you. The families of the hostages have been begging the government to negotiate and the government has openly said the elimination of Palestinian life is the higher goal even if it means killing the hostages along with them, which is what they have done in 99/100 cases so far. Not even mentioning the mass slaughter of Israeli citizens by the Israeli military to prevent hostage taking on Oct 7. This has also been widely reported in the Israel media. Of course most notably you neglect the ten thousand Palestinian hostages being held captive in torture camps in Israel under so called “administrative detention” indefinitely without charges presented or trials. Since day 1 Hamas has made clear they would trade all hostages for all hostages. Instead Israel has gone on to continue slaughtering their own hostages along with taking thousands of more hostages from Gaza to be tortured and executed en masse. Including multiple documented instances of civilians being tortured to death by being zip tied down and crushed alive by tanks and bulldozers. Why don’t you watch the proceedings of the International Court of Justice and deny the facts like you did here? Or just be honest and admit you would have sided with Hitler if the newspapers told you to.
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 17:27:50 +0000 UTCThat has not always been the pro-Israel position, and it certainly wasn't when the blood-and-soil Arab states declared war on Israel in 1948, when they themselves maintained a "kill em all" position against the Jews. (Which Hamas and the Houthis maintain to this day)
TC
2024-03-04 16:35:46 +0000 UTCThis isn't genocide. War is bad and civilian deaths are bad, which is why Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and negotiate a ceasefire.
TC
2024-03-04 16:32:15 +0000 UTCBtw the pro-Israel position has always been "kill em all" (See: the entire history of the I/P conflict) but unfortunately right now the Israelis feel less restrained about actually pursuing that policy.
Norman X. Picklestein
2024-03-04 16:19:14 +0000 UTCit would be nice if the NYTimes published how many canceled their subscription. I did and you can put the reason why. I referenced Cotton's op-ed. Not b/c I thought it endangered people, but b/c I don't want to subsidize a paper that publishes fascist shit about how outlawing protests is a good idea. Theyre talking about it in UK now and London's police chief said it's a bad idea b/c people will turn to violence LOL. Cotton would welcome a spiral of violence.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 16:09:32 +0000 UTCHey I have question since you said you’re Pro-Israel. is genocide good or bad. I was just wondering
Chance Walker
2024-03-04 16:07:20 +0000 UTCI'm with you. The Bruecast is the exception though
zachtgray
2024-03-04 16:04:25 +0000 UTCI'm probably a minority here, but I yearn for the days before podcast bloat. Red Scare eps are regularly 2 hours+ these days, it's too much! 1 hour and change (30 min at 2x speed) is ideal.
TC
2024-03-04 16:03:12 +0000 UTCTbf, not everything a union does or can do is inherently good, and not all unions themselves are inherently good. I think even the most doctrinaire leftists would agree! (Paging Danny Fetonte)
TC
2024-03-04 16:00:57 +0000 UTCNo they obviously conflated being mad about NYTimes publishing it w/ the people who felt endangered and wanted the responsible parties fired. It's a troll. Matt made the analogy with publishing a welfare reform opinion piece, which again is trolling. I've swung from being free speech to being pro-firing - thanks to your gaslighting, feckless democrats and Rethugs who don't care about democracy or the law. Very rare instance of Dems doing lawfare. Only if they would more often against the Right but they dont care about losing.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 15:58:21 +0000 UTCNo, Zionists love Trump b/c he moved embassy to Jerusalem and assassinated top Iran general. Still as Matt says I can't see him being much worse than Biden and he might not appreciate Netanyahu treating him badly.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 15:51:53 +0000 UTCIf you tell Jane about ASCII it'll blow her mind. (Maybe save unicode as a surprise for later)
Norman X. Picklestein
2024-03-04 15:44:23 +0000 UTCWe love a 90-minute longpod. Thanks team
zachtgray
2024-03-04 15:05:45 +0000 UTCI would be interested in hearing a long form discussion on both of your antipathy towards and critiques of liberalism. As socialists, your skepticism towards liberalism’s fixation on property and contract rights is apparent enough. Yet, you both also seem to have very liberal approaches to cultivating a pluralistic public sphere, even when there is no labor market coercion element and the public sphere content is (often rabidly) anti-socialist. Is this an idealistic belief in the strength of the args or a purely practical matter (you just can’t sustainably engineer the discourse to your advantage)? In the larger picture, is your objection to liberal theory in its entirety or just the prominent personality types that currently present themselves as liberals?
Josh B
2024-03-04 14:20:27 +0000 UTCThough that speaks more to the fecklessness of Democrats more generally than the underlying merits of the protests
Josh B
2024-03-04 13:45:41 +0000 UTCDid I just hear the conservative presence at the NYTimes described as “token?” Wtf.
John Halle
2024-03-04 10:41:02 +0000 UTCYou don't argue against "what I take to be workers' best interests" (amazing argument btw, as people often argue against their own beliefs) just against what the union decided? Sounds like pretty standard anti-labor rhetoric to me! Also the whole fake solidarity thing ("our best interests") doesn't work if you are openly contemptuous of your fellow journalists (oh, I forgot Nikole Hannah-Jones is only "theoretically" a journalist).
Otto Laakso
2024-03-04 09:15:29 +0000 UTCyet i also love labor radicals like matt. very curious
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 08:19:52 +0000 UTC"It's unfortunate that the New York Times management just got rolled" Whose side are you on, whose side are you on?
Otto Laakso
2024-03-04 07:40:25 +0000 UTCI think they were mocking people claiming to have been immediately physically endangered by it, not people being upset by it.
Jacob
2024-03-04 07:27:45 +0000 UTCLiz loves her bosses and hates her fellow workers. Loves strikebreakers like Agnes Callard. Just a pattern I'm noticing
Otto Laakso
2024-03-04 07:17:22 +0000 UTCAlso I'm pro-Israel, but just throwing this out there: a good arg I haven't seen so much on the left is that Netanyahu prefers Biden in this situation because if Trump was in office libs/Dems would be negatively polarized against Israel (this will almost certainly happen after he wins again in November, after which this flare-up of the conflict will have likely abated) so Trump would have a harder time getting material support through Congress.
TC
2024-03-04 07:01:11 +0000 UTCGaza isn't what's going to tank Biden's re-election, because he was losing in the polls well before 10/7 and they haven't changed much since. Right now in Pennsylvania, Fetterman is polling above 50% (and has risen in the polls since the conflict began) and Biden is in the high 30s. Several other factors going on, mainly immigration and the big one that can't be changed: age. Also his black approval rating has nothing to do with Palestine, it's been declining steadily since 2020. (It's mostly due to the defund the police/crime issue and black men in particular becoming more socially conservative. Those polls showing a widening divergence between the social attitudes of younger generations are particularly pronounced among minorities. Stancilesque miasmic vibes theory from social media/podcast culture/etc. at play there, I think.)
TC
2024-03-04 06:43:58 +0000 UTC"One of the kids turned the heat up to 80" is a really favorable interpretation for the significantly taller kid.
Ian H
2024-03-04 06:41:36 +0000 UTCTC, a lot of the protests were peaceful. The Lafayette Square protest in DC, June 1, was peaceful up until the point that police started gassing protestors. Given all the litigation around these protests too and various successful civil suits -- tens of millions of dollars of damages that various jurisdictions have had to pay to demonstrators in connection with 2020 demonstrations -- police violence is part of the story. Of course, in some protests there was also property damage by protestors.
J P 3
2024-03-04 06:40:51 +0000 UTCThe NY Times controversy was covered by CNN, the Washington Post, ABC, and elsewhere. Big on twitter too, if I recall correctly. We were still dealing with quasi-lockdowns, so this kind of controversy had extra fuel that probably wouldn't have been the case otherwise. I thought the op-ed piece was basically racist trolling by Cotton (e.g. the implicit idea being that the largest racial justice protests in U.S. history needed to be shut down violently). The piece would have been fine if it had run in the National Review or Breitbart. But not appropriate for The NY Times given the circumstances of that moment.
J P 3
2024-03-04 06:30:36 +0000 UTCMaybe I'm being a rube here, but I think the orgy was advertising for Aella's substack not her Only Fans. Her twitter thread on the gang bang links to the blog as does her Twitter bio. Glancing at her OF there's no gang bang related content and no updates since Feb 7th, but maybe there's paywalled stuff I can't see. The blog meanwhile is shilling a series of posts about how men can learn to be good at sex and the orgy post is paywalled. She's written about how the monthly turnover on OF is huge and it's hard to build a stable subscriber base on that platform, so maybe she's pivoting to substack as she ages.
Surna
2024-03-04 06:05:07 +0000 UTCAgreed w/ what u said about Gaza. News is that Netanyahu's second Ganz is in DC meeting w people around Biden against Bibi's wishes. So could be something probably nothing. Even if Ganz was new PM wouldn't change much.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 05:59:45 +0000 UTCNo you were mocking the idea that people could be upset about it. I bet many peoplle canceled subs over it.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 05:40:33 +0000 UTCAh, you stopped listening before the protracted discussion of Israel at the end. I also think you've got me wrong if you think I'm defending the content of the Cotton op-ed.
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 05:23:00 +0000 UTCagain, i don't think it was a correct take
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 05:20:49 +0000 UTCarchive dot is and archive dot ph is how you get around those pesky paywalls, word to the wise.
Christian Hunt
2024-03-04 05:20:30 +0000 UTCThat NLRB story was no joke thrilling
Matt
2024-03-04 05:10:26 +0000 UTCNobody cares about the inner politics. People don't want to pay to read Cottons fascist bullshit opinions.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 04:51:05 +0000 UTCI'm talking about the Intercept story about the reporting on Hamas mass rapes on 10/7. Akin to its WMD. reporting.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 04:44:29 +0000 UTCPEACEFUL Protestors??? Lmfao you must have amnesia.
TC
2024-03-04 04:43:33 +0000 UTCI read "Aella had a long ass" and immediately had a Proustian flashback to the Caroline Calloway nudes discourse, if anyone remembers the memes XD "It's been a long ass day"
TC
2024-03-04 04:42:20 +0000 UTCIt helped get Joe Biden elected, which was their only real purpose. Thankfully more and more people are still waking up on that front.
TC
2024-03-04 04:40:28 +0000 UTCnot that i recollect. she definitely had some polls about eugenics
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 04:38:58 +0000 UTCi'm not familiar with NYT's incitement of genocide, but i certainly wouldn't defend it
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 04:38:01 +0000 UTCnone that i know of. advertisers absolutely didn't give a fuck; i don't think anyone other than media people even noticed that it happened. most people aren't tuned into the inner politics and personnel matters of media institutions
The Bruenigs
2024-03-04 04:33:09 +0000 UTCThe Tom Cotton op-ed was published two or three days after Trump had people hit with tear-gas and rubber bullets in Washington DC. The idea of unleashing state violence on peaceful protestors, probably not a great idea, under any circumstances. But in the context of that summer, I think publishing the Cotton piece was more than a little reckless. It's not quite as bad as publishing war propaganda, and then doubling down on reporting. But I would be surprised if the op-ed people were fired just because of The NY Times union complaints. What kind of push back did the paper receive from subscribers and/or advertisers?
J P 3
2024-03-04 04:04:58 +0000 UTCStarting to seem like a lot of lawyers aren’t that good
Jay
2024-03-04 03:51:18 +0000 UTCAella had a long ass (and interesting enough imo) interview with that Lex Fridman person on the YT. she's charming, with religious roots. i have no expertise to critique her statistics MO... did she really do a capital punishment poll??
joao z
2024-03-04 03:35:51 +0000 UTCThe op-ed was fascist and anti democratic. BLM caused football teams to write "end racism" everywhere that's not nothing.
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 03:14:00 +0000 UTCHad to stop listening. Why publish Tom Cotton's fascist sfit? Not that people needed to be fired. What about NYT's inctement to genocide? Just let that go?
socialist heretic
2024-03-04 03:10:58 +0000 UTC90 min huh? Does this count as 1 or 1.5 eps in the count Matt?
Will Langan
2024-03-04 02:54:02 +0000 UTCThe Cotton Fracas is even more crazy making in light of what we know now: that the entire summer of protests and rioting achieved absolutely nothing. No policy wins, just Nancy Pelosi on one knee and the most annoying discourse ever.
Femi Agbabiaka
2024-03-04 02:29:38 +0000 UTCFirst
sarah
2024-03-04 02:12:51 +0000 UTC
