Another Fire Stream! Feat. JYP Nation Perf. & Ateez Silent Arts & Crafts Video
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notyourcitygirl2
2025-10-11 11:36:16 +0000 UTCi know im late but everybody deserves to state there own opinion just like how yall saying exo is good and them guys is how he feel about stray kids and bts and he should be able to express himself without being hated on (yes he couldve came about it a different way) but yall bashing him for what ?? one or two comments telling him he wrong was more than enough hes a human hes ALLOWED to make mistakes and have an opinion yall saying it aint no opinion on facts but lets not talk about him being right with the bts better than exo they physically proved that and mentally like cmon now BTS IS THEM GUYS🫶🏾💯💯
notyourcitygirl
2025-05-05 06:52:10 +0000 UTCLmao this twitch chat was a dumpster fire 💀 speak ur truth nigel!
jessica Clifford
2025-01-31 02:15:56 +0000 UTCOML WE GOTTA START A PETITION TO GET THIS BALLAD GIRLIE TO REACT TO Y SI FUERA ELLA JONGHYUN PERFORMANCE!!!! ITS MY FAVE THING EVER AND I THINK UNC WOULD LOVE ITTT
_.moogsie_
2025-01-07 05:54:20 +0000 UTCExactly! The last thing Kpop needs is more fandom wars and disrespect in general.
WooStayTiny
2024-12-23 20:07:50 +0000 UTCyeah, i was also relieved to see so many people validate how i felt watching it as well. i can’t pretend like i genuinely expected him to address anything .. in his eyes it seems like it isn’t a big deal bcs it isn’t abt skz/bts or atz but it’s definitely setting a precedent going forward. the people in his streams will continue to think it’s okay to throw hate at other groups and the community just might completely outwardly look like toxic stays/atinys/army’s to anyone becoming interested in joining the fam. and now i’ve seen quite a few of us saying we aren’t tuning into streams anymore if this is the way the community is gonna be. so sad to see nigel enabling his supporters to be cruel and him just being so ignorant towards the people who lead kpop to where it is today, especially when he has not even listened to any senior artists or many other groups to speak so ill of them. he is one of my favorite reactors so it really has me conflicted. the respect for other artists is just not there and it makes no sense to me in a community where you have so many multi stans tuning in.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-23 20:00:36 +0000 UTCYa I decided not to watch the other stream and I’m probably not gonna watch any others going forward. I was really disappointed by the lack of receptiveness and overall dismissal of everyone’s feelings on the matter. If you want to make content creation your job and don’t address the feelings of your subscribers when you say something that offended a decent sized group of them, and instead get defensive, it’s gonna leave a bad taste in peoples mouths.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-23 18:45:39 +0000 UTCSame I was very disappointed and I've followed Nigel since almost when he started I was shocked that he didn't read all the comments or didn't understand anything becuz Did and said are two different things
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-22 22:29:10 +0000 UTCmost Koreans say it's noise music but to me it isn't
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-22 22:25:18 +0000 UTCNCT nor Stray Kids is “Noise Music” if you heard noise music, you would know it’s noise music 😭. But if they’re noise music, then shit I love noise music.
ℓєιԃувυց (ℓєι)
2024-12-22 22:23:27 +0000 UTCThe only reason he liked Wolf was because of ATEEZ, BTOB and SKZ voices, quite honestly. He should’ve listened to the original song
ℓєιԃувυց (ℓєι)
2024-12-22 22:13:46 +0000 UTCBut mostly it was ignorant kpop stan but you gotta love them I guess
Dean Mason
2024-12-22 22:12:46 +0000 UTCI disagree. I was in the chat (Certified 2nd-4th gen Stan) and even I was baffled. There were also a good amount of people who had the same reaction as us, who I would as sum are older generations stans. But honestly I knew he wouldn’t like Tempo. That’s why I requested Oh La La La and KO KO Bop. He’s playing into his “pre Stray Kids era” when he was ignorant.
ℓєιԃувυց (ℓєι)
2024-12-22 22:11:18 +0000 UTCI was really hoping he would've addressed this in the next stream. I feel like it needs to be talked about sooner than later. He can't just ignore the almost 100 comments on here. Hopefully.
WooStayTiny
2024-12-22 06:51:55 +0000 UTCIn case anyone is still checking the comments on this post (like me lol) and hasn't seen the next stream Nigel uploaded, he doesn't really address any of the points said here. I'm a little disappointed, but overall not surprised. I do want to thank everyone who has commented as it really validated my feelings on this stream and helps me know most of the community is not as toxic as I feared.
Em
2024-12-22 06:01:00 +0000 UTCI started watching Nigel for Ateez. I didn’t know he only listened to BTS and SKZ … lol and it’s kinda obvious he’s comparing those two groups and mainly SKZ when it comes to the Ateez album reviews. But he’s trying… lol There’s plenty of ArmyStays wanting to learn more about BTS and SKZ. He’s hasn’t covered half of the music, content, and variety shows those two groups have done. And he’s having fun reacting to them. I just think it insane to make bold statements about other groups when youve only listen to two groups.
MandaPanda
2024-12-21 07:57:35 +0000 UTCI remember when I first started watching Nigel, when he was getting into SKZ, he was apologizing about comparing SKZ to BTS. He said that some ArmyStay told him that this a no-no in Kpop. Unfortunately, it seems he forgot that. It is evident that he is lacking in general Kpop culture and history. If he is planning a trip to Korea, there are SO MANY things he needs to learn not related to Kpop. I love Nigel, but I hope he becomes more aware of Kpop culture norms.
WooStayTiny
2024-12-21 00:50:50 +0000 UTChe quite literally did say they probably only had 6-7 good tracks. 😭 which is untrue and really disrespectful. my thing is, if you are gonna claim to love music you should give all the groups a chance? like he gave bts/skz a chance. but he had no intentions of liking it. he played exo with the mindset that he was gonna prove a point and say it wasn’t good. that in itself was disappointing to see. and it is a big deal because he’s sparking up not even new fanwars but old ones too. and welcoming his supporters to be toxic to other groups. and i have always been excited for him to delve deeper into legendary artists/groups so he can experience first hand HIS idols like bts and straykid’s reason for choosing this career path, so he can see the origins of kpop and fall in love with more groups and music outside of just the current generation. but at this rate i don’t even wish to see any other groups just being treated so unfairly and rudely for no reason by the community and himself.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-21 00:44:10 +0000 UTCI just saw your other comment and it'll explain why I said it was the worst it wasn't comparing that much it was what I said on your other comment
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-21 00:30:09 +0000 UTCSame it also really annoyed me and took me in shock stopping the song not even half thru and changed it to SKZ bouncing up & down I thought he was gonna go back and listen to it but he didn't which really made me upset I was going to click off but remembered that ATEEZ was going to be next
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-21 00:22:47 +0000 UTCI get Nigel was trying to be funny while stating his “opinion”on what he thinks is “fact”😂🙄what got me was him asking for a past group to listen to. A lot of comments said EXO’s Tempo. I was like yes he’s gonna hear, watch, and be amazed of the vocals and be wowed at the group in general. Then Plays the lyrics not the mv and just stop it and play Skz jumps up and skips around. Then come back and start talking crazy and making me feel bad for liking and requesting EXO. So now if he says okay guys im gonna give EXO a try again, it’s not gonna be genuine. There’s already something negative in his mind about past groups, so why go that route. Stick to what’s new and current be a Kpop the next generation fan…lol
MandaPanda
2024-12-20 22:55:40 +0000 UTCI’m not explaining it anymore because it’s very obvious you have your mind set and you just want to argue lol. I already answered and you just keep repeating yourself. And I do know what I’m talking about. I used to be a huge Stay. I’ve watched pretty much all of their content; including interviews and the survival show. They are great musicians and are very talented, but the huge company they have behind them DID play a part in their success. I literally don’t know why you’re getting so pressed about this, I never said anything bad about them, just that I don’t consider myself part of the fandom anymore.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-20 21:41:29 +0000 UTCWhat truth are you talking about ?? if you don’t know anything about them don’t put their hard work under “ company privilege”
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2024-12-20 21:17:39 +0000 UTCWhere is the company privilege you talk about?? There is literally a interview with jyp saying he and the company didn’t have anything to do with stray kids they did everything themselves don’t talk about something you don’t know they worked hard for their success and you just putting their hard work under “ company privileg” is a faycing joke
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2024-12-20 21:16:00 +0000 UTCHe didn’t say that they had 6 hits he said most groups only have 6-7 which is crazy but you know Nigel has very limited knowledge about Kpop so of course he is going to compare them to groups he knows and say crazy things but all you can say is he was way too passionate for how limited knowledge he has. But I believe a lot of people are like that when they only know a little but like something. I’m not saying Nigel was not saying some crazy things but I understand him.
Torn
2024-12-20 21:11:58 +0000 UTCyes, they are their generation's top artists but that doesn't mean artists/groups before or alongside them don't deserve credit. and him saying that EXO has 6 hit songs if we're being GENEROUS is exactly them getting disrespected (especially when he does not know their discography to be saying things like that) . yes he can have an opinion and he doesn't have to like every song by every artist ever, but you can learn how to communicate your dislike better so you don't hurt others' feelings who do like the things you're criticizing. and it's exactly because he hasn't listened to a lot of other k-artists and not that deep in the kpop scene, why he should not say things that are just genuinely not true and might be upsetting to those who have been present in the kpop scene for a long time. i also get your point and i wasn't trying to be harsh or anything so i'm sorry if it came off that way but i was just really disappointed by this whole situation and i just think it should be pointed out so he can learn from it and be a bit more open minded :)
Fruzsina Tóth
2024-12-20 20:36:04 +0000 UTCStray Kids and ATEEZ have covered EXO songs Stray Kids covered Call me baby, Overdose and both ATEEZ & SKZ have covered Growl and in Kingdom Mayfly team covered Wolf by EXO they love and respect EXO
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-20 19:31:01 +0000 UTCHe technically hasn't listened to their music he has listened to 3 songs but never finished them the only song he listened to the entire thing was Wolf by EXO but he didn't know the cover was from EXO he only liked it becuz it was Mayfly team (BTOB, SKZ and ATEEZ) performing it in Kingdom Legendary War
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-20 19:27:32 +0000 UTCI said it was an amazing stream not his best, also he have the right to have opinions. You know Nigel has very limited knowledge about Kpop so of course he is going to compare them to groups he knows. I also requested that he listen to Tempo and was sad that he cut it off but it is what it is. All you can say is he was way too passionate for how limited knowledge he has.
Torn
2024-12-20 18:31:16 +0000 UTCI love EXO but I understand where Nigel is coming from, BTS and Stray Kids are probably one of the top groups of their generation. Also, you got to understand that it was an opinion so of course he was going to be biased. Especially since he doesn’t listen to other group and doesn’t know a lot about Kpop other than 3 groups he stans. I will say I was a bit sad that he didn’t finish tempo because I also requested that song, but it is what it is.
Torn
2024-12-20 18:26:01 +0000 UTCIt was his worst stream not the best
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-20 18:14:12 +0000 UTCYa 🥲🥲 and brings up Kingdom (which is a time none of us wanna think about honestly) when he’s watching Ateez performances and always talks about how they didn’t beat Stray Kids though even though they’re so talented. Kingdom was a mess and the judging was so rigged. Every group there did amazing and the friendships that came out of it were the only good part.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-20 18:13:02 +0000 UTCThank you!! Like I didn’t mean it in a disrespectful way at all lol. It’s literally just a fact. Also even just being from a big 4 agency they have some better opportunities to perform because of the influence JYPE has in the industry that smaller agencies don’t. That doesn’t mean they’re not talented, but being from a big agency inherently gives them some privilege that did help them get where they are. They gained a massive surge in popularity after gods menu MV went viral and they had such a good/cool MV because JYPE had the budget for it and promoted it a lot. Which is what labels are supposed to do! Not an attack, just a fact. But it did help them 🤷🏻♀️
Emily Nelson
2024-12-20 18:06:46 +0000 UTCskz are privileged though? 😭 they’re from a top entertainment agency that already had legends make the foundation for them. artists like got7, twice, 2pm, wonder girls ect even JYP himself. that does not mean they did not work hard, we all know they did nor is it disrespectful to admit they debuted with privilege. taking offense to the truth is so odd.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-20 15:29:39 +0000 UTCthat’s low-key how it’s always been even when he was casually checking out ateez music before. it’s like he goes into it with the mindset that “this is skz & bts competition so i won’t give it a fair chance.” if you notice as he gets into a group he starts off disliking most of their music then suddenly has a change of heart as he continues to listen. like i just wish it wasn’t like that because again i love this channel and he could enjoy so much more if we stop comparing. 😭
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-20 02:25:37 +0000 UTCglad majority of the comments here agree and are on the same page abt everything the EXO part of the stream was really off putting honestly which is a shame 🥲
bethanychenoa
2024-12-19 23:13:40 +0000 UTClol I didn’t say anything disrespectful. And yes a fact is a fact, they have privileges some other groups don’t have because of the label they’re under. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just a fact. And a pretty obvious one. That in no way shape or form means they didn’t work hard or don’t deserve praise, I think they’re extremely talented. But they do get some opportunities because they are lucky to be under a huge label. That’s not an attack. There’s nothing I “can’t handle” lol. And that’s not disrespect. There’s a reason lots of trainees want to be a part of the big 4, it gives you more opportunities. Fans like you who are crazy defensive and attack for no reason are the exact reason I stopped being a big fan of them, It’s really not that deep.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 21:39:47 +0000 UTCI don’t care a fact is a fact if you can’t handle it that’s on you but don’t be saying things SKZ has privileged and disrespect them like this
🦔
2024-12-19 20:37:53 +0000 UTCJust react to BTS and Stray Kids… 😬🫢😂 I see you comparing even Ateez to BTS and SKZ. I’m scared for the next group you get into. Just don’t bother save yourself the disappointment and the urge to compare. Or just react to the new groups coming out that we all have no opinion about. The next generation reactor. 👍🏼 If XG is the girl group you gonna listen to then for sure let that be the only girl group you listen to. Cause I fear the next girl group is gonna be 👎🏼 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
MandaPanda
2024-12-19 18:39:51 +0000 UTCI agree. Now if he listens to another group I’m gonna be waiting for him to say something negative instead of being excited.
MandaPanda
2024-12-19 17:54:48 +0000 UTCit gave me extreme toxic army and stay vibes .. and i love nigel 😭 but just saying anything and not knowing what you’re talking about and enabling your community to be hateful and not stop it but egg it on?? like this is honestly still throwing me. because i THOUGHT nigel loved music as he claims so you would think he would be willing to listen to and explore other artists without going into them with the mindset that they’ll be trash? like the mentality that the kpop industry is all a competition when it doesn’t have to be like that bcs all of the idols are friends and respect eachother’s music.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 17:39:08 +0000 UTCHe probably won't he'll probably just stick to 4th gen groups
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 17:36:20 +0000 UTCngl i think the problem is all fans, toxic or seemingly not. its obvious that toxic fans are the ppl doing the majority of the bad things we see in fandoms (and it happens in EVERY fandom) but the ones that seem to not be part of that group also let their own biases and opinions get in the way. i think if you don’t know a group/idol as a fan you shouldn’t speak on their achievements or their journey because you don’t know and those people often downplay it just bc they can. and it’s often that fans that seemingly don’t engage in fanwars often blame the other fandom for instigating not realizing that while, yes we should all be mature and block and move on, people from your own fandom will say and do things just to get reactions and that’s just as bad as reacting. all this to say, every fandom has the same issues and they only seem to be bigger because fandoms get bigger. don’t downplay idols/group’s achievements or journeys just because they’re bigger or smaller because then you’re doing the exact same thing as the people you complain about
Ari
2024-12-19 17:32:20 +0000 UTCSame
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 17:23:45 +0000 UTCi agree 😭 just a bunch of people who don’t know anything about kpop being hateful to groups who made kpop what it is today.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 17:11:20 +0000 UTCTHAT PARTTTT. they will ALWAYS deliver vocals and talent. they aren’t considered one of if not the best 3rd gen vocal group for NO REASONNN.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 16:49:44 +0000 UTCI totally agree. I think that's maybe the thing that annoyed me the most about the stream (I watched it live). It's so easy to think so-and-so is the best, most popular if you only interact in that space. SKZ is an ult of mine, but they look up to and respect so many seniors in the industry that it's kind of niave to think they were influenced by "bad" or "not talented" idols and groups. No one person is the backbone of an industry or genre, it rests on a foundation of many.
Em
2024-12-19 15:26:23 +0000 UTCI didn‘t expect Nigel to be like that. I always felt he was really honest and the community was fun. I’m sorry but after he said all that stuff, he seems like any other toxic fan who is trying to prove their fav group is on top by bringing others down
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 15:03:03 +0000 UTCyea same. I hope he will say something about it. If not, his community will just keep disrespecting others and I feel like that influences Nigel and vice versa. I‘m really interested what his next post will be
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 15:00:15 +0000 UTCi second that, i stopped listening and supporting bts after being an army since 2016 back in 2020 because army drove me away from the group. it is so disappointing to always see them comparing, throwing shade and just being so mean to other idols and groups. nigel and a few other reactors made spaces for me that allowed me to continue supporting bts again with a healthy community but lately this community is starting to feel toxic and it’s so sad to see. and now i’m seeing it in so many stays ..
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 14:49:20 +0000 UTCyeah hopefully this gets addressed and not pushed under the rug because that was by far incredibly disrespectful and so disappointing to see. i have witnessed nigel lowkey throw shade at other groups to uplift skz and bts but never to this extent ..
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 14:45:47 +0000 UTCI feel like people shouldn’t talk about other groups when they haven’t taken a full dive into the kpop industry
Dean Mason
2024-12-19 13:28:44 +0000 UTCThe whole chat was very 4th gen kpop Stan’s
Dean Mason
2024-12-19 13:24:30 +0000 UTCReal
Dean Mason
2024-12-19 13:23:53 +0000 UTCI DONT CARE WHAT NOBODY SAY EXO IS THEM NIGGGAAASSS
Dean Mason
2024-12-19 13:20:45 +0000 UTCAnd JYP label did that with their other groups too like Got7. Got7 has a huge international base that JYP could have taken advantage of. They didn’t promote them during their comebacks, the songs they wrote were hard for them to get on albums, and they limited their albums so they couldn’t get great album sells to name a few. So JYP is not good to other groups too not just Stray Kids.
MandaPanda
2024-12-19 12:08:22 +0000 UTCI do know a lot about Stray kids, like I said I used to be a big fan of theirs. And like it or not they do have privileges simply because they’re a part of JYPE. I never said they didn’t work hard or they aren’t talented, they do and they are. But, they do have some opportunities afforded to them and influence behind them because they have such a big label that other groups from smaller labels don’t have.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 10:04:38 +0000 UTC@Emily Yeah I found Nigel initially through his Bouncy reaction last year and even then when his initial thoughts and reaction was subpar it was understandable since understanding ATEEZ means understanding their lore and i get it's a lot for people, but even then not once was my thought anything negative toward his tastes or the tastes of the people who watch him (esp since i turned out to be one of them). i will honestly say i was shocked he said he wanted to dive into ATEEZ--esp since they basically come with homework assignments and conspiracy theory boards XD. i honestly don't think someone can just dive in non-nonchalantly but it is possible i guess.
kesher
2024-12-19 09:16:52 +0000 UTCoh def 100%
kesher
2024-12-19 08:47:14 +0000 UTCyour last sentence is exactly what we are all annoyed about. You can defend your fav group or praise them without comparing or bringing others down. For you I am sure skz is the best but others have different opinions.
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 08:39:55 +0000 UTCExo vocal line is top tier and I‘m sure that if the song miracles in december was by skz he would be in love with that song
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 08:24:42 +0000 UTCthis is always said by someone who is not ready for the freight train that is EXO or even at minimum just Baekhyun or Kai XDD. or Chen esp when it comes to vocals
kesher
2024-12-19 08:21:27 +0000 UTCbased on how the stream went, before i kept thinking, 'holy shit i can't wait for nigel to get into EXO' since he keeps talking about how much he loves ballads and singing, but after this it's like... 'well damn, if you didn't like the vocal kings, idk what to tell you' XD EXO is like the equiv. of Boys II Men; their vocals are unmatched
kesher
2024-12-19 08:17:09 +0000 UTCI MISSED A STREAM?? 😭
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2024-12-19 08:15:47 +0000 UTCWhat “ privilege” you mean by that?? You clearly doesn’t know anything about stray kids those men worked their ass off from the start by their own even JYPE said it himself he didn’t believe in them and just left them to their own don’t say anything about them if you don’t know their journey and they are the best of their generation.
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2024-12-19 08:10:56 +0000 UTCKingdom was honestly one of the wildest times to see the mask come off of stay. watching Kingdom when it was airing and already being both into ateez and lovinggg bobby/ikon from years before -- it was so weird seeing all the hate from stays directed towards ateez esp after their music swap performance with ikon. like i cannot understand standing behind any fandom that hates and bullies other, smaller groups just because it turns out, 'hey, actually what they did was super innovative and awesome. but since my group didn't do it, i hate it.' there are some harsh truths out there for stays regarding kingdom specifically but seeing their attitude, there's no way they'll be ready to hear it any time soon. and that's coming from someone who respects their music
kesher
2024-12-19 08:09:06 +0000 UTCI found it disrespecting when you stopped the exo song midway to play a stray kids song and also start comparing them. I feel like you enabled the chat to start comparing and I‘m kinda disappointed. And saying that exo only has 6 songs that hit is crazy. they‘ve been here longer than skz and bts and are a backbone of the whole kpop world. And how on earth did you even come to this conclusion when you have heard 1-2 exo songs.
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 07:03:39 +0000 UTCOMG OMG OMG I HOPE U GET INTO EXO NEXT FOR UR NEXR GROUP. THEY ARE THE VOCAL KINGS OF K-POP
Saniah Bullard
2024-12-19 06:12:30 +0000 UTCYa I’m honestly not a big fan of stray kids anymore solely because of the fandom Stay. If their music comes on in a playlist I’ll listen to it and I still like a lot of their older songs but that fandom has completely turned me off from being a Stan of the group. Mostly because I’m a multistan and the way that they treat other groups leaves a bad taste in my mouth 🤷🏻♀️ I like the group but I don’t like the fandom. I feel the same about Army’s too. I like the group but don’t like the fandom. I hate that it’s so hard for some people to understand that you can support your favorites without bringing others down. Especially when all the members of the groups are such good friends! Kingdom era is when I stepped away from stray kids because of stay.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 05:35:21 +0000 UTCHonestly that’s why I don’t listen to BTS because of the toxic fandom. I know I’m missing out on some great music but just knowing how toxic some Army are and I’m starting to feel that way with Stays. I haven’t listen to Stray Kids since Double Knot. I hear a bunch of Kpop reactors not liking how toxic Kpop is becoming and that’s sad.
MandaPanda
2024-12-19 05:04:05 +0000 UTCI honestly hate fighting among fandoms so much, it’s so absurd to me. But there’s so much toxicity in certain fandoms that solely focuses on bringing others down that it’s made me dislike that groups music by default. And I see a lot of that in the live chats which is really disheartening. It’s so possible and easy to love and appreciate multiple groups without being negative, because that just leaves a sour taste in everyone’s mouth.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 04:20:35 +0000 UTCyeah, as a person who's in multiple fandoms where cross-group fighting isn't that common anymore--if at all, it seems like it's a regular occurrence among the groups you mentioned along with a few others. the fandoms i'm a part of are either too busy bullying or getting bullied by the group members to find time to fight anyone else XD
kesher
2024-12-19 04:00:19 +0000 UTCYeah EXO is 2012 and BTS 2013 i think
kesher
2024-12-19 03:32:59 +0000 UTCNigel if you are ever confused as to why certain senior kpop groups and idols are highly respected and are genuinely interested in testing the waters to see, I highly suggest checking out (on your own time or whenever) fellow reactors’ videos to MVs of senior groups. Especially if they’ve been into kpop since the early 2nd or 3rd gen days. There are some wonderful people out there (some I’m sure you’re already familiar with) who not only just react, but also analyze and explain from different professional standpoints, as well as people who explain from a Korean culture and language perspective. Then maybe, even if you still end up not liking/listening to other groups’ music, you’d at least understand a little why they’re so respected by everyone inside and outside the kpop industry. There's also a reason you assume BTS/Stray Kids are bigger/better than EXO or any other senior group and it has nothing to do with 'how much better BTS or Stray Kids' is over the others before them. There's a reason EXO was deemed the Nation's Pick by the Korean government over anyone else and why they're the (former SK)president's favorite group. If there's genuine willingness to learn (this is to any kpop fans here as well) and understand then I'm sure there are a bunch of us here who've been with this industry a longgggg time that would gladly assist. This industry is full of wonderful, talented, going-against-the-grain-so-the-later-gens-can-have-an-easier-time-even-if-im-punished-for-it people and they all deserve their flowers
kesher
2024-12-19 03:21:44 +0000 UTCmy thing is, this also happened barely a couple months ago with army’s and stray kids. every time nigel would get into stray kids content on live or even mention them there’d be toxic army’s ready to comment and berate and even fight w stays in the chat like unfortunately i think it’s thing that happens as he garners more fans from different fanbase and i really hope one day he’ll call it out directly so that it doesn’t keep happening
Ari
2024-12-19 03:19:28 +0000 UTCEXO is older than BTS
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 03:09:18 +0000 UTCI got so excited when you played EXO I was like YES he’s gonna hear some amazing vocals and become a fan soon, but then you jumped up and played Stray Kids like it was a battle. That honestly made me sad and after you did that the chat was comparing and being disrespectful. Your favs look up to EXO. Code Name Ateez ep1 they had to choose a song to dance to. They chose Exo “Growl” Kingdom Legendary War: Skz, Ateez, and Peniel chose EXO “Wolf” to sing and dance too. Idols are dancing in the snow to EXO “First Snow” making it trend and that song is like 11yrs old I think. Let’s be respectful to all groups in the chats especially that ones that are being recommended to you.
MandaPanda
2024-12-19 03:05:30 +0000 UTCSo glad I missed this live stream bc these comments about what happened are crazy… 🫠 just gonna skip that entire part of the video… That nmixx pronunciation was crazy 😭💀
Celeste 🌌
2024-12-19 02:53:10 +0000 UTCLike we all understand that you’re a die hard stray kids fan (which is amazing) but you and your chat need to be willing to give other stuff a chance without the constant comparisons, especially when the groups are so different. If not then maybe just only watch stray kids content when you stream because this is a constant thing that happens with the chat from all the streams I’ve seen unfortunately.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 02:46:36 +0000 UTCNigel your chat is so toxic sometimes 😩😩 pls don’t let it influence you. While yes Skz is the most “popular” 4th gen group that doesn’t mean they’re on top. Theres a lot of privilege that went in to them being where they are today that it’s sort of ignorant to overlook. Also, k pop in general would not be where it is today without older gen groups paving the way. Not just BTS. It sucks but a lot of skz fans act like stray kids are the only good kpop group to ever exist and constantly put down other groups. Yes they’re extremely talented, but so are many other groups that are just as good but don’t have the same privileges as them from their label. Your chat constantly shows this disrespect towards other groups and it makes it really hard to watch your journey into discovering what else kpop has to offer.
Emily Nelson
2024-12-19 02:41:30 +0000 UTCI hope people in the chat know that you can uplift your favs without bringing other groups down! All groups are so talented but the way some stans kept saying crap says a lot about some people in this community. I love this community don’t get me wrong, but it gets to a point when you’re full on being rude and disrespectful to a group.
Coco
2024-12-19 02:31:14 +0000 UTCThat really annoyed me too he didn't even finish it
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 02:14:03 +0000 UTCYeah G dragon is what inspired Hongjoong in music and style
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 02:12:01 +0000 UTCYeah NCT is similar to Stray Kids
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 02:09:09 +0000 UTCExactly
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:54:52 +0000 UTCYeah I also stan other groups all units of NCT and ONEUS those are a little bit similar to SKZ & ATEEZ after some time I finally gave EXO a chance and they got me after listening to 3 of their albums but so far I don't stan any girl group but I do like some songs
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:51:07 +0000 UTCI was there and June was going crazy with the gifted subs, I even got one from them and this stream was so good. Although the chat was comparing like 3rd gen Kpop to 4th gen and honestly, I wasn't paying too much attention to it bc it can lead to toxicity and I just feel like there's not need to compare group no matter what generation it is. There are ppl who have 3 different groups as their top 3 and that's fine, it's their opinion and their liking to the songs/talents/etc of that group. Ofc ever has their own opinion but comparing groups is just dumb tbh. Each group has their own uniqueness and talent.
Lillian_07
2024-12-19 01:44:16 +0000 UTCYeah this is one of the spaces I initially got into because of the sometimes chill, sometimes(mostly XD) chaotic vibes, but to try to create and foster a community also takes some responsibility in shutting down toxic shit when it pops up. Everyone has their own opinions and tastes but not everyone has a platform where people can come together and chill and are genuinely happy when they see Nigel watch an MV or hear a song they love for the first time. I agree it's 100% possible to uplift your faves without disrespecting other people's faves, or just other people in general. The ignorance was extremely blatant moreso than usual and it was very offputting and disheartening to see within a space (i thought was) meant to celebrate and enjoy music and talent.
kesher
2024-12-19 01:37:45 +0000 UTCWow, I’m very shocked at the blatant disrespect this chat showed. This definitely shined a new light on the community. I hate to say it, but the bigger this community gets, the more toxic people are entering, and it’s really sad to see this happen to a community that I’ve loved so much and considered my safe space. As a multi-stan, I’m highly disappointed at the immaturity displayed in this stream. Nigel, I really hope you understand that it’s okay to uplift the groups you stan, but completely disregarding everything that many older groups have done for K-pop is wrong. I don’t blame you, because at the same time, you’re still new to K-pop and learning the ropes. I genuinely hope you learn from this for future reactions and try to be more meaningful next time. I still love you and will continue to support your channel—just a few things I really think this community could work on.
Star
2024-12-19 01:25:25 +0000 UTCyeah it was def disrespectful. Making some wild statements as if they're facts and disregarding what made a lot of these 2nd and 3rd gen groups idols to ATEEZ, Stray Kids, and BTS (among literally every other group) for legitimate reasons is highly ignorant and only refuels those unnecessary fanwars. if someone has to bring other groups or people down just to hype their faves up, that honestly doesn't seem like a person who wants to actually learn about different music and people. One of my best friends got into kpop because I introduced them to EXO and now their faves are EXO, ATEEZ, Stray Kids among others because they were willing to listen to music/genres outside of what they already knew
kesher
2024-12-19 01:17:12 +0000 UTCthat part. comparing different generations music to one another is ridiculous anyways bcs it was two different times, when certain sounds weren’t even a thing or trend yet. and if we are being honest nct made noise music trendy within kpop, bangchan has even said himself that nct inspired some of their sound and he respected them as artists for always doing something different, and nct are originally 3rd gen.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 01:15:03 +0000 UTCi just hope going forward we can be more kind to other artists/groups and share more love even if it’s not directed at skz, bts & ateez. everyone in this industry works so hard and does not deserve to be dragged through the mud just bcs they aren’t leaders of their generation. they still have achievements and made a name for themselves you just haven’t scratched the surface of kpop and more groups out there to know that. and this community has always been a safe space for me to go as someone who loves kpop to watch someone who also loves some of the same groups i do without having to see the fanwars and random attacking of other groups. so i sincerely hope, we don’t continue to compare and bash other groups.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 01:09:59 +0000 UTCnigel i love you so much and what you have built on youtube/twitch and even here so i mean no harm by this but that entire discussion about “who’s on top” was so distasteful. that was my first time making it in time for a stream and that really left a bad taste in my mouth. it’s okay to uplift your fav’s but throwing random groups under the bus and seeing the chat be so disrespectful to other groups was crazy. a lot of your community are multi stans so being one and watching that was horrendous. yes, bts & skz are the most popular boy groups of their generation but that does not mean other groups do not deserve their props or did not not make an impact. exo are legends, were the top group of their generation before bts. they have more than 6-7 hits. without senior groups like shinee who inspired JIMIN to be an idol who knows if he would have chosen this career, without big bang there would be no lightsticks, without shinee there would be no dance practices and half of these idols today would not be idols. early generation groups are legends and respected for a reason. not one or two groups especially from the 3rd and 4th gen paved a way for kpop? it was a rode laid out by many so others can walk on it.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 01:09:55 +0000 UTCExactly
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:08:41 +0000 UTCAgree
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:08:28 +0000 UTCand Nigel it's kinda dumb to compare 3rd gen and 4 gen together
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:06:44 +0000 UTCIm sorry but chat was being SO unbelievably annoying and disrespectful while listening to exo, “skz is better than this” “its alr but it isn’t *song name*” can y’all please just listen and stop comparing? If it wasn’t for 2nd and 3rd gen groups most of these 4th gen groups wouldn’t exist and even if they did some of the members wouldn’t even be apart of the Kpop industry PERIOD, these groups are what inspired your favs to even become idols. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion but some of y’all were literally just straight up hating lmfao.
Itzel ❣️
2024-12-19 01:06:23 +0000 UTCBTS, SKZ and ATEEZ love EXO you should aleast listen to them off camera if you want to becuz they're really good
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 01:05:05 +0000 UTCIt really annoyed me that you technically disrespected EXO like that and I'm a baby EXO so it really annoyed me that you didn't even finish their song
✮ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕆𝕨𝕝✮
2024-12-19 00:56:03 +0000 UTCthat entire discussion was really disappointing to say the least. i understand to a certain extent being biased but straight up downplaying and throwing hate to other groups to uplift the groups that you stan is just so distasteful. that entire discussion made me see this community a little differently. especially when we have not scratched the surface on senior groups or really ANY other kpop groups here. it is not hard to be respectful and give other groups their props especially groups who have made kpop what it is today. sparking fanwars and just all the disrespect in the chat was crazy.
sincerely, nai.
2024-12-19 00:53:31 +0000 UTCThe jyp nation performance was really good but im a little upset that itzy literally got 0.5 seconds of lines and skz (literally only han) got like 5 seconds? 😭😭 nmixx ate like usual but like cmon now
Itzel ❣️
2024-12-19 00:40:35 +0000 UTChe's also very biased. He didnt even let the exo song finish when midway through he stops it. Like bro really???
mvo.02
2024-12-19 00:31:31 +0000 UTCyes exactly. all the talk about who paved the way or who achieved this first is so useless. i feel like alot of fans forget the main part about being a fan and that is the music lol
yeosangwoo
2024-12-19 00:19:10 +0000 UTCIf it wasnt for exo or many other older groups a lot of current groups wouldnt be here today. Definitely would not have some of the members that are in these groups as well. Comparing groups and saying that one is better then the other is kind of wack fr. Just either enjoy the music or don't.
mvo.02
2024-12-19 00:04:47 +0000 UTCyea I feel the same. I don‘t like when people just won‘t admit a song is good because it isn‘t by their favs, you can still enjoy other songs. You‘re right, kpop has sooo much to offer and I think alot of fans are fans for the wrong reason, like being in too deep, that they start attacking other groups without just enjoying the music
yeosangwoo
2024-12-18 23:53:39 +0000 UTCI was in the live last night and kind of got annoyed at that too. Obviously everyone has their own opinions and who they like the most, but it can be pretty limiting to cut out groups you don't know just because they "compete" with your favs. Maybe that's just the multi stan in me lol
Em
2024-12-18 23:49:34 +0000 UTCI was there for some June love youuuuuu but Nigel pencils in the freezer really 😭😭
mingis☆juicy☆veins
2024-12-18 23:41:15 +0000 UTCwhy was the chat comparing groups so much? just enjoy the music, there‘s no need to keep comparing groups and saying that group did this, this group did this. Even all the talk about who is on the top rn kinda annoys me cause why does it matter so much
yeosangwoo
2024-12-18 23:41:14 +0000 UTCJune we love you, ur definitely a new icon of this fandom 💗💗💗
starrylanii (Leilani)
2024-12-18 23:26:57 +0000 UTCLast night was crazy asf!!!!!! Really enjoyed myself fr!!!!! 💙🦋💙🦋💙🦋Luh you twin!!!!! (sheisty_baker👋🏽👋🏽)
Deja Reyes
2024-12-18 23:26:25 +0000 UTCI WAS IN THEREE , (June was showing outtt
Danasia .
2024-12-18 23:26:22 +0000 UTCJune was wildin in this stream😭😭😭
Pizza Abby
2024-12-18 23:26:19 +0000 UTCBro June was wild
Kwestleo
2024-12-18 23:26:00 +0000 UTCThis stream was..Interesting.
ℓєιԃувυց (ℓєι)
2024-12-18 23:25:02 +0000 UTCAnother amazing stream 💙
Torn
2024-12-18 23:22:09 +0000 UTC
