BoJack Horseman 6x9 REACTION

idk if someone commented this yet but the reason theres more episodes this season is bc there was supposed to be a season 7 but netflix cut it early. they gave the producers a heads up so they compromised on an extended season 6 :)

molly pittinger

@Rufus May Yeah I'm aware of what I'm free to think. I am aware what the people that have responded to me think, I'm sure no one here has met "most people" though, seeing as how there are 7.8 billion of them, so I don't see how you can make a claim that large.

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You're free to think it's no big deal for a 50 year old to have sex with a 17 year old if you want, but most people are going to think you're a creep.

Rufus May

@Francesca White No obviously its not objective. If it was objective there wouldn't be debates about trying 17 year olds and 15 year olds as adults for crimes. By my logic...you look at a person individually to determine whether they can choose to have sex or not. I'm 22 and I can confidently say my mind "sexually" was as mature as it was now then. I matured pretty fast in that area and had a good understanding of what having sex means. You ask me why are 17yo pictures considered child porn... because in the country we are in it was decided to be that way because it's SUBJECTIVE and in another country it's not child porn it's just porn. Using the defense I'm going against the show or what the writers say is irrelevant, they aren't moral gods they're just people writing an emotional story. With Fictional characters, comparing me to Vance Waggoner?I mean c'mon "I'm 21 and I wouldn't even do that" And some people would and that doesn't make them a pedo or monster. According to you, you can't even properly choose to have sex until you're 25 lol so

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@ChemicalSoup if a 17 year old is an adult then why are explicit photos of them considered CHILD p0rnography, like your logic makes no sense, and if you think this way then you basically go against everything the show Bojack Horseman is trying to say, you're basically Vance Waggoner

Francesca White

@ChemicalSoup by your logic of "everyone has a different understanding of what an adult is", you could justify any sort of p3dophilia. no, a 17 year old is not an adult, objectively they are not, and it's morally reprehensible for a 50 year old man to sleep with one. i am 21 and i wouldn't even do that, there's such a mental difference, a 17 year old is most certainly a child in relation to a middle aged man

Francesca White

Ah that makes sense. I hope you're right!

Steelburgh

@Andy Jacobs Wow ok putting a lot of words in my mouth here. 1. The reason I said the victim percentage thing is because I was talking in the context of the whole comment thread, I apologize you did indeed not say that. 2.I would say some adults can't live up to the expectations that YOU have for them. My expectations for people are different from yours. This is kinda a weird conversation because like I keep saying I don't see what penny did as falling short at all really. In order to see her making mistakes you have to think them having sex would have been a travesty in the first place, and I don't. I don't think Bojack should have because it would have been for the wrong reasons like I said earlier but other than that... 3. I never really said anything about bojacks trauma or anything but sure if some hypothetical person was locked in a garage and abused from birth till they where 20 then sent out into the world and we looked at them at age 70. I think it's reasonable to have different standards for that person than you have for other adults. Infact I think all standards for most people are too high and clearly aren't being met. Which is why our world's in the cancelling culture era right now. Everyone wants to thinks that there high, unrealistic standards are how the world works. You say most adults wouldn't make the mistake Bojack did, I say sure they would, under the right circumstances depending on the CONTEXT. Shit according to my expectations most adults would have went further than Bojack. 4. I don't know where me seeing Penny like a "vixen" came from though. Personally I don't see Bojack as a "Creep" because he was going to have sex with a legal adult. Because like I said, my standards are different, your standards say he's a creep. 5. At this point we're just talking back and forth I don't even remember what my original point was just ...I don't think what bojack did was that terrible. I don't have any bad feelings towards Penny, me saying of course she played a part isn't me wanting to blame her. The standards we hold people too are subjective and wishy washy.

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I don't understand how you got " I think we can judge this situation individually with what we know about it instead of just throwing around victim 0% responsible, adult 100% and move on like that's ever gonna solve anything." from my comment. I literally said Penny did make mistakes, but it's the kind of mistake many teens can potentially make. Bojack made a mistake not many adults would make. He falls short relative to most other adults. Penny does not fall short relative to most other teens. She's fine, he's not. I don't know how to read your comment any other way than "some adults can't live up to the minimum expectations we have for older adults, so why judge them by that standard?" and I find that so bizarre. You don't stop judging people when they fall short of you standards, that's exactly WHEN you judge them. You judge them based on how far below expectations they fell. Penny's fall was smaller, she gets judged less, because people just plain have lower expectations of teens, because teens literally CAN'T know better and expecting more of them is literally setting 100% impossible expectations for teens. The same is not true for adults. Anyone who's been an adult for at least a few years has seen enough of the world to stop blaming mommy and daddy start taking responsibility. That's the weirdest part to me-you're arguing that someone of age for mere months has absolutely no excuses NOT to be held to the most mature standards possible, yet the man in his 50's has every excuse, including childhood trauma he's had decades to wrestle with, to absolve him of the additional responsibilities he should be living up to compared to a teenager? Somehow in your mind the fact that Bojack Horseman had childhood trauma over 40 years ago is a valid excuse to not hold him to the same standards as other adults, yet someone being mere months over the age of legality and is completely inexperienced is enough to treat Penny like a fully fledged adult? Complete double standard. You're not arguing for people hold them equally accountable, you're asking people to treat Penny like some sort of vixen who tempted Bojack beyond reason, and she didn't, she was a teen who came onto him twice, anyone who can't resist that is a creep.

Andy Jacobs

@Andy Jacobs Yes commonly older people are judged more harshly because people ASSUME they have more experience and they HOPE they know better. That doesn't make that line of thinking correct. I've learned most "adults" are just larger children still clinging onto the patterns they held in childhood, masquerading as responsible, new people. Just because something is normalized doesn't mean it's what we should do, I think we can judge this situation individually with what we know about it instead of just throwing around victim 0% responsible, adult 100% and move on like that's ever gonna solve anything. Ignoring context is the opposite of what I'm doing really. Ignoring context is just saying Penny's a victim the end. The context is Bojack has stayed at that house for a good length of time, Penny brought up the idea of sex and kept pressuring it,Bojack said no multiple times, that's all context and that's what's being ignored. Again, not blaming penny and what did Bojack do that was SO much worse even if they did have sex I have to keep asking because I still fail to see what the big horrible outcome would be.

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Older individuals get judged more harshly for mistakes than younger individuals regardless of the mistake because they have more perspective and more experience and should know better. A 20 year old getting drunk to the point of throwing up and passing out gets judged less harshly than a 55 year old who does the same. Young people, even young adults, get more leeway to make mistakes because they often times haven't experienced enough about life to even know how big a mistake they are making, testing boundaries is literally a teenager's job. Setting boundaries is the job of older adults. Older people do have enough experience to know how big the mistake they are making is, so it means more when they shrug it off and make that mistake anyways. You can't just ignore all context and say, "well they both committed the same act, 'hooking up with with someone they shouldn't,' so they're the same." Context literally always matters, and the context here is Bojack had way higher expectations he fell way shorter of relative to Penny; what she did pales in comparison to what bojack did the point it's barely worth discussion, which is why it generally doesn't get discussed, yeah, you can spend time criticizing her behavior, but it's a lot more normal for a teenager to make a mistake like that, than it is for someone decades older, so why bother? Why focus on her actions when what Bojack did was so much worse?

Andy Jacobs

I think it's because this video was originally supposed to be a second reaction for a previous week

Austin Eaton

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Bojack

Ryan Thompson

@chemicalsoup I love him

Jessica

@Jessica Cool...cool Nice pfp Armins my fav

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@chemicalsoup these are awful conclusions to come to lmao. And yeah well, she is.

Jessica

@Jessica I don't care who's side the writers are on I'm just coming to my own conclusions and I'm certainly not 'blaming' penny, but I'm also not saying she's just a victim.

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@chemicalsoup I don’t care how many times you asked, the fully grown adult is 100% responsible. I don’t get how you can watch a show like bojack, and blame penny for this situation. The show writers themselves aren’t on your side

Jessica

@Francesca White You didn't ask that question...and I also never said that so I won't attempt to explain that. Ill say again,by new Mexico standards, penny was an adult in this situation. @Jessica So if I, being a 17 year old boy kept asking a fifty-year-old man to rearrange my insides and after he told me no many times,but he eventually did then I'm just a victim, case closed.

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Great reaction I’m really looking forward to the next episode!!

Jessica

@ChemicalSoup you didn't answer my question, please explain how it's morally ok for a man in his 50s to sleep with a teenager.

Francesca White

No, penny has absolutely no fault in this. There is no justification there

Jessica

@Francesca White Clearly we have different ideas of what it means to be an adult though. You think it's when someone turns 25(which is when the brain fully matures according to google and science) I think It's just a made up arbitrary label and it should be determined on an individual basis if someone can choose to fuck

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@Francesca White I admit I see nothing morally wrong with a 50,80,106 year old man having sex with a consenting adult.(Like Penny was in this situation)

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@ChemicalSoup ...... did you just admit that you think there's nothing wrong with a man in his 50s having sex with a teenager?

Francesca White

No, the 'full picture' is that the more mature and responsible person should know better. The fact that the child isn't mentally prepared to make that kind of decision is both why it's wrong for the older person to have sex with them and why only one person is to blame if it does happen.

Rufus May

"don't throw rocks at ceilings" - the bible

Avery Winther

Ooooh boy. We're in it now.

Just Alyx

I think its really important to bring up the fact that the Penny situation isn't all Bojacks fault. Penny tries to seduce BOJACK. Bojack rejects Penny multiple times and tells her that she doesn't know what she wants. After being rejected by Charlotte, she goes back to the boat and again tried to convince him. And we know that the memory is a trigger for each of them not just Penny. Bojack KNOWS he did something wrong. He knows he almost did a bad thing that night. She WAS legally able to consent, but she really isn't mature enough to understand the repercussions. The gap on life experience is so wide that it is the responsibility of Bojack to shut down the situation. Penny didn't think it was wrong, Bojack definitely knew it was wrong and stood by it. Its not an excuse, but he only opened the offer again after she tried to seduce again after he felt bad. She kept pushing and it. Personal responsibility is important. They both have control over their actions and both old enough to know right from wrong. No matter the experience it was wrong of Penny to keep approaching Bojack even after he repeatedly said no. Bojack had more control to the overall situation and thus he had GENERAL responsibility, but again, personal responsibility is just as important here. I didn't care for how season 6 put so much emphasis on Pennys "suffering" without acknowledging how SHE contributed to everything. Nothing would have happened if Penny didn't repeatedly try to instigate it. Bojack didn't see her that way. He didn't even know she liked him. He just wanted to do something nice for someone he cared about and give her the Sitcom style night she deserved. You can tell based on the actions throughout the episode. He was living a pretend Sitcom life. It was innocent. If Penny didn't move onto Bojack, nothing would have happened. And no, this isn't victim blaming. That is another issue society has. The term is used to try and shame people out of doing what they dont like. And that is putting blame on a perceived victim. BUT there is absolutely a time and a place to ask people how they contributed if anything, to a situation even if they are the perceived victim. The problem is that one of the conclusionss to asking this is finding out that the victim isn't really a victim. An open mind needs to be kept in cases like this. Thinking you're a victim doesn't mean you are. Todays culture of victimhood has gone to the extreme. You might call it victim blaming. I call it getting the full picture. Acknowledging personal responsibility doesn't just look at where blame goes, it also helps you understand how to prevent things from happening in the future. So, is Penny the Victim? Definitely. At her age, it did have more of an impact on her. Is it Bojack at fault? Partially, but Penny shares just as much blame as Bojack does. She is a victim, but she also shares blame for it. Im definitely not alone here. The opinion that they are both to blame is nearly tied to the opinion that it is purely on Bojack. Some of the blame is even on her parents for letting a nearly 50 year old take their 17 year old daughter to prom anyways.

Dustin Wilk

I really is a wonderful episode. Has several character exchanges that I chicago-style love.

Foaming Clean

Next episode is actually in my Top 5 for the show. I think it’s really underrated

Chelle

i think it's also important to understand for Hollyhock, she just found out Bojack was wildly inappropriate with a group of teens on prom night, and now he decides to work at a college surrounded by young girls, and even wants to join her with her friends. from her perspective he might be here to take advantage of more young girls than he already has

Francesca White

Bojack kind of... did go for young women though... like we saw him having one night stands early on with girls in their 20s, he almost slept with Penny who was 17 while he was in his 50s, he slept with Sarah Lynn who saw him as a father figure, and he dated Wanda who was in a coma for 30 years since she was 20. like there definitely is a pattern there and Hollyhock SHOULD be wary of him with what she heard

Francesca White