We Need To Talk

Not for you, dicknose.

BetheSOUL

toptier, just out of curiosity, did you read Noman's reply? lol

BetheSOUL

Sure keep believing that. My god. Don’t even respond to me if you believe that

BBoy267

Its easy to manufacture 'facts' by misusing data.

Noman Khuwaja

Stephen, please go learn how to read and analyze statistics for your own sake. Thus far you have made 2 mistakes reading it and now another making 3. The washington post database show around 2x more likely to die by police being black and 1.6x more likely to die unarmed being black. Here are the raw numbers, 1296 black killed and 2473 white killed, despite being 13% of population so 2x more likely. 145 of those 2473 (white) were unarmed and 123 of those 1296 (black) were unarmed. Making unarmed white police deaths account for 5.8% and for black, 9.4%.

Noman Khuwaja

...What?

toptier sagat

Yes, MLK was assassinated decades ago by a lone racist nutjob. Not the police. So I don't get the point of your comment.

toptier sagat

Stephen, This isn't about facts for these guys. It's sad but it's the truth. Ideology has plagued their minds. They have to be right regardless of what the evidence says.

toptier sagat

I know this is kind of y’all job but sometimes you need to say fuck the money and any racist pieces of shit need to not watch your channel

BBoy267

I’m going to try to not insult you but look up the trans Atlantic slave trade before you try to compare it to other slavery in the world. It was a hell of a lot more brutal

BBoy267

Ahh the old MLK usage, as if he wasn’t assasinated

BBoy267

Well, I appreciate your maturity and willingness to agree to disagree, such a thing is rare when it comes to hot topics like this. The respect is mutual.

BetheSOUL

On behalf of toptier sagat, since 2015 the Washington Post has kept a comprehensive data base of fatal police shootings, last year the post logged a total of 1004 killings. Of the 802 shootings in which both the race of the suspect and officer was noted, 371 of those killed were white, 236 were black. The vast majority were not in fact unarmed ( in fact African Americans were more likely to be armed than white suspects, yet more white suspects were killed). Overall there were a total of 10 cases last year in which unarmed African Americans were shot by the police. In 5/10 of these cases an officer was attacked just before the shooting and in 2 of the remaining 4 the officer was criminally charged. One was an accidental shooting. The remaining shooting both officer's were criminally charged. Also in 2019 there were 25 unarmed white people shot by the police. Seems like a relatively small number of deaths for a country with a population of 325 million people. This is not genocide and it is laughable to suggest it is.

Stephen

toptier sagat. It's a *fact* that police brutality is not disproportionate? What would you call the 100 African Americans killed by police since 2014, if not disproportionate? Unless, of course, you can provide me with a number that comes close to that from any other race.

BetheSOUL

BetheSoul, I at the very least respect your reply, at least you do not resort to child like behavior and attempt to call me names for my stances and views. I will leave my comments about America to myself seeing as I'm not from there. I simply say this because at one point we were doing better than some of the more developed countries today. I simply understand what makes a soon to be 3rd world country turn out that way. Ultimately we shall all reap the rewards of our actions no matter how noble they may seem.

Stephen

And you're 100% sure your internet connection didn't fail you or that you didn't accidentally click 'Cancel' instead of 'Comment'? Because there are a lot of differing opinions on that video's comment section... Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt before indicting "the left" for censure?

BetheSOUL

Well, nice strategy making me to do all the research work myself without offering any links to any, let alone reputable, sources. Anyway, I did the best I could and as far as google is concerned there is nothing verifiable that the Open Society Foundation funded most, if any, of the movement itself. I did find some conflicting information about the OSF donating to Hillary Clinton in 2010, but nothing about specifically $33 million, and to be honest I don’t see how Clinton’s campaign relates at all to BLM. Feel free to offer any said link I might’ve missed. As for the $650, you do realize that’s practically NOTHING compared the 100 million donated by, say, the Ford Foundation (as Ryan pointed out)? Hell, if I get more money from the next stimulus bill, I might donate close to that amount myself. About your 4th paragraph: Most African Americans (most Americans, for that matter), don’t have the means to solve the problems of slavery in African countries. Just reading your question aloud sounds ridiculous. Furthermore, to assume you can know what’s best for any country abroad, with all the geopolitical and sociocultural complexities, is extremely arrogant and paternalistic. Solving the issues in your own communities, on the other hand, is a lot more feasible and appropriate. And this is not a fixation with slavery from hundreds of years ago, but many policies and institutional practices from the previous century that we as a society have not yet come close to recovering from, i.e. the Jim Crow Laws, all the way to the still ongoing for-profit private prisons AND juvenile detention centers, which has disproportionately affected blacks and Latinos and has been perpetuated by the extensively studied School-to-Prison Pipeline. You may be very informed about the issues in South Africa, but you are deeply ignorant about the issues of the US. And at no point did Imon Snow or Abby attempt to compare the two countries, so it makes no sense for you to do so when they have different histories, different systems, different governments.

BetheSOUL

I had posted my opinions on this on you guys YouTube but you guys deleted my comments or someone reported my comments because they are no longer there. I think this is a problem with the left, if you say something they don't like or agree with, they cancel you. I think that is a big issue because it closes the room of discussion and nothing, but problems come from that 😔

GeezLaWeez

Cindy beach you clearly don't get what he is saying.

5th Round Lawler

Even then i also dont see how you would collect data to show murder offense rate being under or overrepresented by race, pretty sure thats impossible considering how data collection works.

Noman Khuwaja

To make it more clear, you are comparing total prison incarceration by race with murder offenses. People dont only go to prison for murder. Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses only make up 3% of inmate offenses.

Noman Khuwaja

Stephen, 1st paragraph, The reason im saying you dont know how statistics work are based off how you argue using data, not that your data is incorrect. 2nd paragraph, mapping police violence, also guessing you didnt mean to put 'not'. Your 4th paragraph is also true (the data) but you're making a logical fallacy to conclude they are underrepresented.

Noman Khuwaja

Norman Khuwaja, That does not explain anything. But you know what? This probably won't go anywhere. So forget about it.

toptier sagat

Noman Khuwaja, where is your evidence to support blacks do not commit over 50% of the murders in North America? Where is your evidence to debunk the fact that police brutality is not disproportionate? I hope you're not trying to be intellectually dishonest? I'll tell you one thing though, despite committing over 50% of the murders, black people only make up 40% of the total prison population, so they're actually underrepresented. I bet you wouldn't be willing to fight for that cause though.

Stephen

mapping police violence

Noman Khuwaja

And where is it?

toptier sagat

toptier sagat, it is a fact. We literally have the data to confirm it.

Noman Khuwaja

Regarding your 2nd paragraph, lets say police violence does drop universally. This would still not solve black people being disproportionately affected by it, even if its relatively lower. So its obviously a great thing to wish for but doesnt solve what people are protesting for.

Noman Khuwaja

It's a fact that police brutality is NOT disproportionate and it is NOT racially motivated (the majority of the time). But you defend BLM who say that police are targeting black people in order to kill them. In essence, lying. And you see no issue with this. Why?

toptier sagat

The most simple way to put it is that black people has to deal with the same problems as any other person in america and on top of that encounter problems based solely on their skin color. In a statistical sense not individually.

Noman Khuwaja

They are protesting against crimes that are disproportionate AND seemingly racially motivated, thats where the difference lies. It is not necessarily about who suffers more but also why. Also if you knew how analyzing statitistics works you wouldn't make the argument in the 4th paragraph.

Noman Khuwaja

Hi guys, I don't usually post but I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughts on the current situation (but not really current since it's been centuries now) and I will be honest, I did not watch the video but I appreciate it anyways that you guys share your feelings and thoughts regardless of what they may be. Some people on here are saying "people come to your channel to forget the world" etc and that is true, I do it too but I made a conscious choice not to watch the video because I knew I wanted to just take a break. It's your choice to click the video or not, thus far I don't see them speaking about this issues in the middle of a reaction video so I don't really see the problem. It is your right to block a user if they disrespect you or cause you emotional distress imo, some will say that is being sensitive but then again the statement could go towards the person being blocked as well. Sometimes people forget common decency while in front of the screen. You two are obviously women of color who is affected by this everyday, it is quite disrespectful and sadistic to come on here and pretty much imply "all lives matter" and "stop playing victimhood." No one should police what you feel, and what you know in your own life and I respect you for putting your foot down and standing up for your lived experiences. If you have to block someone then block someone, you have a right to, just because someone is paying for your content doesn't mean it exempts them from treating you with respect and dignity. Any business is allowed to kick a customer out if they are rude. The people who are saying they are sensitive, should also look at themselves. Why does it bother you so much that they don't want to be disrespected. If you're going to tell people not to be sensitive, you shouldn't be sensitive as well. I will not be replying to any replies I may get on this comment, because it's my choice not to engage but I would just like to share my thoughts and thank you guys!

Danielle Araneta

Noman Khuwaja, how does a pissing contest of the races about who suffers more between blacks, whites or whoever produce a functioning civil rights movement? This problem is institutional. Believe it or not the average person is not racist, though one could adopt that ideology if they acquire their worldview from a t.v. box. Casting the problem as a universal problem that affects all citizens gives you a chance of putting together a more effective coalition to get those policies changed. Does this not sound like a smarter, more peaceful more productive method than BLM? More allies at the end of the day if we see we're all susceptible to police brutality, don't you think? Lastly let's look at the possible effects of a BLM movement like this. It is most likely that the racialisation of who commit's which crimes against who will inevitably spark even more racial tension. Once people start looking at how many whites are killed by blacks and how many blacks are killed by whites, what do you assume this could lead to? Well, seeing as blacks commit over 50% of the murders in America, despite being 14% of the population. There's a lot more white people killed by black people than blacks killed by whites. How then do you think the white population, which are the majority, will react to this? Are prepared for them to start riots against black offenders? This is the serpent eating it's own tail believe it or not and those who run the world know it as well as I do.

Stephen

And what is your proof for this? Because evidence shows this is not the case at least when concerning police violence.

toptier sagat

Do you have anything other than insults?

toptier sagat

Mystic Referee

Alright then. Where do we begin? George Soros did donate grant money to BLM ($33 million in fact) via his donations to the Clinton foundation (please at least fact check me on this before replying). Soros also gave $650 thousand to BLM during unrest that followed the death of Freddie Grey, he did this and I quote "to excelerate the dismantling of the way structural inequality is generated and maintained by local law enforcement" (sounds insane does it not). I will leave my personal thoughts on Soros out of this, but yes I did in fact state not once but twice that Soros funded BLM I never argued against it. And I will apologize if he does not until proven otherwise. Ryan on the other hand believes even if this is true, it would make him a hero ( Ryan's words) as well as trying to insult me for it, and only persists, just like you, on focusing on just that point alone for some reason. My last point on Soros before I'm done with this entire conversation. There's an article called Connoisseur of Choas published by the Manhattan Institute. There is a portion in the article where Soros himself declares the main obstacle to a stable and just world order, in his view, is the United States. Let me make my stance from here on out perfectly clear....if we as a society play into this idea of middle America, white militia members, trump supporter and all, if you believe any of this, the idea that you're propagating is only hurting. This is because rather than universalisingthe ideas and causes that lead to police brutality. Rather than looking at actual solutions, you're creating a divisive logic and a divisive political system that will back fire. That is because it will bring up issues relating to black on black and black on white crime that will not be productive for a civil rights movement in the country. You are also then denying people the recognition and reality that police brutality affects all people of all races and all religions. Do you then see the flaws with an agenda like BLM? As a black man living in South Africa let me provide you with information. In the 2017/18 financial year, the deaths of 759 people could be linked to the police – 201 died while in police custody, while 558 people died as a result of police action. The Independent Police Investigative Directorate (IPID) 2017/18 annual report painted a grim picture as police brutality complaints increased, and 43 on-duty police officers came under investigation for rape, eight more than a year earlier. This compares to an average of around 1,000 deaths by police brutality in USA per year, but USA has 5 times the population that SA does (320 Million), so in reality SAPS police brutality record is 3.5 times worse than USA in absolute numbers! Also are you aware that 500 black foreigners were murder and some burnt alive by black South Africans during the xenophobic attacks yet no arrests were made? Where was this level of empathy for blacks then? Why don't African Americans seek to solve the slavery that still exist throughout every country in Africa to this day but are fixated with slavery from hundreds of years ago? Also do not get me started on the literal white genocide that is happening in South Africa, oddly enough the rest of the world won't talk about that for some strange reason? Agricultural union TLU SA has recently published farm attack statistics kept internally by them since 1990, with their records indicating 5,437 farm attacks on their members since 1990 and 2,067 farm murders (All white farmers might I add). Yet why is nothing being done? Why can a black police shooting in America send waves across the globe but a literal genocide of the white race can be undermined? In summary pointing fingers at a particular race achieves nothing, for we are all capable of the same evils and all suffer and have suffered. The act of singling cetrain individuals out without a clear picture of what exactly is happening will ultimately lead to everyone's downfall.

Stephen

"This patron isn't supporting any creators at the moment." Please go away and don't troll here.

Jimmy Blake

The ignorance in this post honeslty caused me physical pain. I posted something much more thoughtful but decided it wasn't worth it. Please get out of your bubble

Justin Downing

He seems really passionate but he's not wrong. This rhetoric that only black people suffer from police brutality or that only "POC" have a hard lot in life is making matters worse. Look at some of the comments by your patrons. They have prejudices against white people but that isn't wrong because it's ok to hate white people. And no, I'm not white. But I was someone who used to think whites were out to get black people. And that turned me into an extremist. People need to more critical and not support something because it SOUNDS noble.

toptier sagat

Stephen, I just read your exchange. You did say Soros funds BLM, which you know he doesn't. That's a dicto simpliciter fallacy. Then you said Ryan has a soft spot for him when he never said anything of the sort. So your whole call for having a "civil discussion" means nothing when you're not owning your own errors and then say something passive aggressive. If anything it comes off as hypocritical.

BetheSOUL

lol <3

Imon_Snow

It is exhausting. It has been a hard few weeks for us all. So I think taking breaks is a healthy and good idea!

Imon_Snow

Thank you dear, this wasn't political. it was our own experiences dealing with racism and dying to figure out what we can all do to combat it. etc. People coming here to disagree isn't a problem and never will be a problem to me. It is being rude and hostile and belittling that I will not allow. Not on Our Patreon. So yeah we will continue to post what we want and if you guys don't want to watch the video after reading the title, just wait until the next day for reactions to come out.

Imon_Snow

Yet again it seems we can not have a civil discussion without me being called a "degenerate" and "trump supporter" ( my poor feelings lol). Assuming we remove Soros from the equation seeing as you have a soft spot for him and even though I had not once stated such, you believe I explicitly blame him and all Jews for the downfall of mankind. What constructive criticism do you then have to give about everything else I've mentioned before? I'm willing to give this conversation another chance. Bare in mind you still have not denied anything else I've told you.

Stephen

Also, millions of Americans and good people all over the world donate to BLM. The Ford Foundation alone has donated 100 million. So saying Soros “funds” them when he is just one of millions of donors and not even the largest is your Trumpian antisemitism showing. “Jewish Man Bad”.

Ryan Roach

Only degenerate Trumpers make up stories about Soros being a boogeyman responsible for all the world’s ills, only degenerate Trumpers sarcastically say “Orange Man Bad” in response to criticisms of Trump’s endless failures and general nastiness. Only Trumpers try to invent a conspiracy out of whole cloth to insinuate some reason for Floyd’s murder other than the one staring everyone in the face: police brutality. Floyd is just one of thousands victimized and brutalized by the police, typical of a Trumper to focus on him only and try to invent a story about it that mitigates it. And Soros was 13 when he was taken from his family by the Nazis and conscripted into service for them. Only Trumpers would blame him for that.

Ryan Roach

I'm sure I just imagined him giving $33 million in grant money to BLM from his Open Society Foundation, also no where did I say he was behind any of these protest, I stated he was involved in funding them, which given his history with minorities of his own heritage, seems a bit suspicious. I also noticed you did not deny he is in fact an ex Nazi collaborator (his words not mine) and yet also somehow a hero (to you anyway), nor did you deny undercover officers being present at the scene of the riots, as well as the bricks issue. Another interesting fact is if you watch the George Floyd videos closely enough you'll realise the men that came out of the emergency vehicle were wearing bullet proof vests, there were no EMTs present on the scene for some strange reason, as well as the Floyd and the officer working having worked security in the same place of business for years (still undetermined whether or not they knew each other). This case just seems to get stranger with the more evidence that is uncovered... Also why do you believe I'm a Trump supporter? Why is there this instinctual programming within Americans to resort to this "orange man bad" self defense mechanism when confronted with a different opinion, even when it is presented with respect? This whole comment section exists because the content creators decided to express their opinions and felt they were treated with hostility and insults because of it. Yet you call me a bigot because you don't agree with me, even without knowledge of me or my beliefs and even when I have stated my case without the intent to harm anyone emotionally, do you not feel that is not the most hypocritical thing you could do in this scenario and still judge the man who is the cause of all this? I understand presenting information that could change a persons worldview can lead to them lashing out in anger, but I feel we should form conversation instead of calling people bigots and racists for different opinions, for any belief that fears being challenged is a lie. Thank you again.

Stephen

You obviously didnt fully read my comment. It is being said that police is the #1 threat to black lives and that is not true. I agree police reform needs to take place but we need to focus on the bigger picture since we are speaking on black lives

ReactorHero

This reads like "As a black man" talk, fatherless homes and education have 0 to do with what's happening with the police right now.

Conner Simpkins

You ask for factual evidence, then you say ignorant shit about George Soros funding BLM (which is a complete fabrication, and a fun way for bigots to attack blacks and Jews simultaneously). If he had funded BLM that would make him a hero, BTW. But he doesn’t. That’s just a stupid thing bigots like you made up. And Trump is a piece of shit and so is anyone who supports him for any reason.

Ryan Roach

Yo, pardon my language but fuck anyone telling you guys how you should or shouldn’t feel in this current situation. And definitely fuck anyone who is telling you guys to “keep out of politics”. People need to grow up. Thank you for trying to have an open dialogue and using your platform. It’s honestly really brave of you guys to come forward and share your stories and opinions. Don’t let people say what you can and can’t do on your platform. Everyone really needs to take the time to learn some empathy because we need it now more than ever. Love you guys, thanks for doing what ya do.

Robert Seng

You are totally right, and well done blocking him. I am an Arab Muslim, and uh Muslims and Arabs, they are the most exposed to racism around the world, but we do not care about what is said about us because we are confident and believe in ourselves, My advice to you is: do not let the idiots affect you, you are stronger than this.

Abdulla's Engine 1900!

If I were to add my 2 cents then I would say that Imon has the right to block this person (even though I don't think he should be blocked for stating his opinion), though they nor anyone else has given any factual evidence to support why his statement/view is incorrect. Trump will win the election, BLM is funded by George Soros, a Jewish Billionaires who has self admitted to selling out his own people to be put in Nazi concentration camps, he also indirectly funds Antifa two of the groups heavily involved in these riots (one might ask why a former Nazi associate cares so deeply about the plight of black people, but oh well...). The police are in fact working undercover to insight violence at the gatherings for example, Jacob Pederson who worked at the St. Paul Police Department and was caught in camera breaking windows, or the discovery of why piles of bricks have been placed in the riot areas in advance even though there are no signs of construction in any of these areas. Now when you add all these factors together, would the common person not assume there isn't a deeper agenda at hand here? I don't really need any heartfelt or angry comments coming my way, I'd rather people opposed my arguments with facts, because facts don't care about feelings. I won't make the same mistake as he did and assume nobody cares, because I think we all do, I simply feel that people tend to be ignorant to situations regardless of all the evidence presented....and this will only lead to the even more division and bloodshed down the line. Thank you.

Stephen

No one needs you to tell them how to feel. You never really know why anyone feels what they do, or as strong as they do, unless you've lived through everything they've lived though, so you're really just wasting your own time. Just be a good listener and stop flaunting your thicker skin, because you're not helping anybody.

BetheSOUL

Thank you for being real with us, both by expressing your feelings physically in the reactions, and by expressing them verbally. Please, continue to do so. I want to think that we are leaving through a transformative time for our country, so it is important to talk about it. Whoever doesn't like it can honestly eat my butt. I do recognize that by making our voices heard we all face adversity from those reluctant to face the change that society is experiencing. They will learn one way or another, eventually, that change is inevitable. Because their words have to be more hurtful to you than to me, since it is people of your ethnic group and culture and whatever that are essentially being told their most basic human rights, including the right to live, are expendable. So I thank you for enduring their infuriating words of callousness and ignorance as much as you can by putting your opinions out there. Yours and Abby's strength is part of why we love you so much. We're here to stay. Alright, thank you for reading. BLACK LIVES FU**ING MATTER.

BetheSOUL

That guy is an idiot. These killings have been happening for decades. It is no conspiracy theory. They name drop MLK to shut down conversation, despite the fact that police beat, jailed, and set dogs on him and his fellow protesters for demanding civil rights. People like him are the problem. If he does not like you expressing yourself he can kick rocks.

Gabe A

I don't know if you girls are familiar with TigerBelly, the Bobby Lee podcast on YouTube, but recently they released an episode and the central topic of discussion was the protests. The episode was heavily criticized by vast majority of fans not because they agreed or disagreed with the the opinions of the hosts, but because most people are just sick and tired of politics, period. It's everywhere - TV, Facebook, Instagram, you name it. 24/7. Non-stop. So at the end of a long day of reading about all the depressing stuff happening in the world what people expect from their favorite entertainer, be that a reaction channel or a podcast, is a simple escapism. And when they see a pop-up on their phones that begins with "Real Talk" it immediately makes them go "*sigh* shit, here we go again" and it's just a natural reaction in that moment to click 'dislike' and move on, because you just can't be bothered anymore. In some way, it's even more frustrating for the fans than it is for creators. I disagree with pretty much everything that ViSch person said in his comment (except that Trump will win the next election, it doesn't make me happy to even type it out, but, unfortunately, it's the truth), and if him calling you 'selfish' is something that he had already done before and he refused to have an open discussion then you probably made the right decision to block him. But if you make the decision to use your entertainment channel that has considerable public outreach to publish a video where you share your own experiences and opinions about a very sensitive subject that is dominating the internet space right now you should not be surprised if some people want challenge those opinions and maybe even throw insults at you. Is it appropriate for them to be rude? Of course not, but you should expect it either way.

Andrew

Ignore everyone who comes on this post to tell you "Keep your opinions of politics to yourself". You deserve to voice your opinion on what you feel. If someone tells you some smartass comment, I would just immediately block them. You guys keep doing what you want to do, don't listen to keyboard warriors who tell you what to do or what not to do, if they dont like it, they can just stop being a member and go somewhere else. You have a huge fanbase who supports you and agrees with you, keep up the great work.

LordChungus

Maaaaaaaan, straight up FUCK that guy.

Eric H

Ughhh this is just so tiresome that people still don’t understand it’s depressing and sucks the life out of you I’m sorry you guys have to put up with this

Chance

The title of the video let people know exactly what they were going to discuss. It’s not on Imon and Abi to NOT talk about it, or avoid the conversation. If people didn’t want to watch it, then that’s on them. Yes, I would have expected some backlash and I would have ignored them or gave them a piece of my mind, then blocked them. The ladies don’t need to keep quiet like good little girls. The assholes who post shit like this need to shut the fuck up or know they will get blocked. End of story.

Cindy Beach

I think the only time I got an attitude on here is because a post was not on time..lol how silly. I love you two and hope you all are doing fine. Regarding the race and equality situation. As a black man, my viewpoint differs from many, because self responsibility is key for me. but that does not mean I'm ignoring the serious issue involving policing and the black community. I just hate the generalizations ppl make, I take it personal because a cop literally saved my life and he was white. statistically speaking, cops are not the biggest threat to black lives. I believe their should be police reform though, but after that we MUST TALK ABOUT FATHER-LESS HOMES AND EDUCATION AND RESPECT BECAUSE THAT LACK OF ATTRIBUTES; builds up this hate we have been seeing for such a LONG time. the media is definitely not helping here. They profit off of negative news.

ReactorHero

I think you guys were fully correct in equating racism and narcissism the other day. To me, this person’s reaction is aggressive. They aren’t even offering real opinions, there is no vulnerability being given in order to have a dialogue. These are just statements attempting to invalidate you: You absolutely did the correct thing by blocking them.

Foaming Clean

Yeah fuck that guy. You dont have to put up with that

Krakatoa64

What a jackass. You were right to block him. Good on you.

40kandPizza

If you don't want to have a debate or civil discussion on this issue(s), then you shouldn't bring topics like this up. These kind of things lead to arguments, no matter what ideology you have. That's why it's best not to talk about it, especially what you do on here for us. You can bring these kind of topics up, that's up to you. But if you do, then you should expect some arguments and disagreements here and there. That's just normal. That person is one example of what happens when you get into politics. In my opinion, it's just best to avoid stuff like that on here. It just causes division among the community, and we don't need that.

Omega Sirius

Hello fron Panama, you actually have people all over the world, my skin tone is similar to imon, my grandpa was black. Not try to insult or anything like that, i understand that the USA has different issues about race and slavery than other countries but i think that the people in the USA is a little bit different given the fact that they are the most privilige when comes to diversitie, also dont forget that many countries had slavery before USA that were not just black people, colombia and panama had slavery, but you dont see crazy shit like liberals do in the USA. Also racism is not an issue in my country or many country, not saying that there is none, maybe xenophia is more commone in my country. But i think the USA is just full of people that destroy each other, What happend with the george f. Was just murder. And should be treat like that. Remember that white people in europe slave each other, same as asians and middle eastern.

Alexander

You don't need to call someones slurs and/or curse someone out to be an asshole or rude. That person's comment that they highlighted intentionally devalued and demeaned their lived experiences. They insulted them by suggesting that their lives/personality on the channel should be excluded to reactions and not their reality. Such a thing is offensive. Similar to what you're doing right now by calling this "high school drama". The problem is that what this person wrote is most likely not a one off experience but an issue everywhere you go on the internet. Someone demeaning your experiences with racism. This was just one example.

Thanatos

Lool ! No, it's an alias that I have a backstory with. I forgot to change it when I subscribed. It will be pretty long to explain. My real name is Berri by the way.

Berri (aka Clyde)

Girl!! Or girls I should say!! Y’all are the power in all this you do great things and keep your head up high thru these times, don’t let ANYONE I MEAN ANYONE BRING OR TEAR U DOWN! Please keep staying strong and I hope all this goes away and a better for us all!! I’m a Patreon for Support and we all should be a support system in all this and I just love you guys and hope for the best nothing more ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

BlunTastic23

@Imon Ah yes, I totally glanced over the "selfish" word, b/c it didn't seem offending to me. But I still don't understand why this is affecting you. Sorry I'm a 32yo man from Russia, we don't really do high school drama the way you do in the US... Didnt think you girls did either based on your reactions to stuff that happens in shows. Let me teach you a little exercise when someone does this to you again. Imagine someone talking crap to you right now. Raise your right hand. (I'm serious, do it). Raise it high above your head. Now bend all your fingers and leave only the middle one standing. Now tell them loudly "fuck off", and get on with your life :) The people who post here (including me) are someone you have never met before, and probably never will in your entire life. Why does their opinion even matter to you? Just be yourself, do your own thing, and ignore the aholes. They're not worth all the stress you're causing yourself by reacting to them. love ya

Gennadiy Mishiev

Sadly, this type of poster has been emboldened these few years by the president, and they truly feel themselves to be the majority. It's sad, because as their party's failings continue to mount, they double down on the rhetoric and drag everything into a worse state. EVERYTHING is a political statement to these people, as any criticism of the status quo would reflect poorly on their choice to continue supporting him. Even if you were to simply be stating the truth of your own experiences, these people see it as an attack on their very existence. They have embraced the whole victim-persecution complex as their identity, and the frightening thing to see is how far they are willing to take it. The endgame is frightening to think about, but it is the reality that we will face if we continue to appease and cede control to these people. In a sense, think about what he said. "Read something about Antifa". Did you know the original meaning of "Antifa" was "Anti-fascist"? There is no actual group/leadership to them, yet the right needs a continuing list of boogiemen to keep the victim-persecution complex going. When your entire platform is continues to march on the path of authoritarianism/fascism, what better boogieman than the anti-fascist is there? They declared "Antifa", who has no real organiziation or leadership, a terrorist group, yet turn a blind eye to calling the KKK, which is a real organization with defined leadership, the same. I'm sorry for making this into more political garbage, but I feel you. I am incredibly empathetic as well, and these past few years have been particularly trying. I find myself growing increasingly losing empathy for these people, to the point where I am starting to feel/sound like them. And that's the scariest thing to me.

RC

stay well and keep being you

Faiz Khan

<3

André Gaulitz

Thank you to those who have been supportive, I read all your comments and it is very positive reading this! Appreciate you guys so much. Sorry I cant respond to everyone but you guys are awesome

Imon_Snow

Thank you! You can always message us here or on instagram. And that goes for all of you. We may or may not have the time to get back to everyone. But we read your messages <3

Imon_Snow

That is right <33

Imon_Snow

Thank you, my dads name is Clyde..dad is that you..?

Imon_Snow

I feel you sis it’s draining. I’ve had to step back from my socials and I’m tired of getting worked up over the back and forth with people I know or randoms on the net. I don’t see any middle ground anymore because one side has to be right and the other wrong. But instead of offering alternatives they shut it down as nonsense which is frustrating. Why make excuses for a system that’s obviously carrying old and outdated flaws? Instead why not offer imput to improve and evolve? If you come into it with an open mind you’d find that common goal but some people have already picked their “Right” side and just wanna prove how “right” they are so let em go.

Anonamai

Calling me selfish and saying I do not care bout other peoples suffering around the world. Because I was talking about what was going in in my personal life as well as other people here in Americas life, and commenting that multiple times is rude and not okay. This was never political! This was OUR experience with racism and talking about the countless others experience around the world who deal with this! It isn't hard to comprehend. If you are sensitive to people talking about real life then that is on you and that other guy I blocked

Imon_Snow

Seriously? Crap like this is exactly what causes people to walk away from putting themselves out there to the public, and it's a shame. Don't walk into someone's house and go out of your way to be rude. If you don't like what you see, just walk away. The rest of us here are just trying to have a good time and relax with people that are like friends to us.

Jimmy Blake

It's good that you let the discussion be open, only way to move forward is through open discussion. That said, talking to a wall isn't productive either. I've seen a lot of people on many patreons comment thinking "I can say whatever I want because I'm paying them. Shocking news, money isn't worth getting berated online.

Loro Lukic

I read everything, I'm not sure what part was "berating", because he called you the word naive? That's the only thing I noticed. To me seems like an overreaction to their comment on your part, which seemed perfectly calm to me (even if you don't agree with their opinion, I didn't see them display any actual hostility towards you). So... if you girls get so emotional over their comments, maybe stay out of politics and don't even bring it here in the first place? Just a suggestion. Its your "channel", do what you want. Just seems silly to get mad over stuff like this.

Gennadiy Mishiev

I don’t normally comment on here but thank you for sharing your thoughts and this post. Just know that I’m sure the majority of people on your patreon truly support your opinions and respect them. And yeah that guy definitely is toxic, or just extremely ignorant. Hope all is well for you two.

OhHellzYeah

Good that you blocked this person. Those who say "All live matter" which is a response to BLM, close there eyes to systemic and racial discrimination

Rashthem

It's exhausting, I have to stop myself going on twitter and engaging with people who seem determined to misunderstand, mislead and misinform. This is not even an open forum, it's YOUR space. And as such you should feel as justified in booting people as you would be in booting them out of your home.

JD

Whenever someone responds with "All Lives Matters" it already tells you enough to where you can tell they're clueless as to what BLACK LIVES MATTER truly stands for. There are a lot of ignorant people out there that refuse to do their own research, or even have an open dialog with a member of the black community to be educated on our struggle. For he, or she to even suggest that you, and everyone else that stands with BLM is being selfish blows my mind. Bright side is comments like those use to appear more often than they do now. They're numbers are dwindling, now "WE" are starting to become the majority. Black, White, Hispanic, etc together. Things are moving in a positive direction, and we shall overcome. I completely understand why you removed that subscriber from your channel.

Kamina 1

Yeesh what a nutcase. No point even entering a discussion with those types of people, they have no intention of reevaluating their way of thinking.

Hitopopamus

Thank you, both of you, for doing what you do, and thank you for sharing your personal thoughts and feelings on what's going on in the world too. It makes more of a difference than you might think - in my life, and I'm sure in many others too. Don't ever let anyone stop you. Is there a good way to send both of you a direct message by chance? There's something that I think is probably worth sharing with you about the difference you make, but it's a bit private too.

Jimmy Blake

And let the comments say AMEN. U stated it beautifully and though there was little need to u felt compelled to explain things so this would not be is construed, thanks and sorry you had to deal with that. To the individual in question, I would really suggest looking into the ideas of "having empathy" and "don't berate". You will get alot further in sharing your feelings and ideas if you keep these ideas in mind . So be it and it is done

damion

The fact is that "All Lives Matter" won't be true until Black Lives Matter, and right now a lot of people are behaving as if they don't. To try to make members of an oppressed minority feel like they are at fault for their oppression is absolutely despicable. This person clearly has no idea what they're talking about, and you two have my full support in speaking out about this.

Rhiannon

People like that love to try and pacify Black anger by invoking MLK. If they were able to read, they would know that MLK had no patience for people who excused police brutality - they tried to crack his head open for having the audacity to peacefully march for voting rights. It’s also worth noting that invoking the non-violence of MLK as a counter point falls flat when you remember that MLK’s nonviolence ended with him getting a bullet to the face.

Daniel

Yes. You have to take care of yourselves first. Especially on patreon. You did the right choice. Thank you for the explaination.

Berri (aka Clyde)

How do people still respond with all lives matter??? Like are they trolling? I can never decide if it's troll or ignorance

Christopher Avarez

Hey Imon salute to you. I actually enjoy the empathy you show and i love it when you do talk about your personal experiences because it is relatable to many people. Some people there is just no hope for and sorry you have had to deal with that. Keep being you dont apologise and dont let anyone try to grindd you down and make you feel lesser. Ive learnt from past experiences that when people do that its because of their insecurities that they try to bring others 👇. Great choice to block him and all the best to you girl

Marvelous Dolcy

💕 ☮️ !

Jose

That comment is a disgusting ghoulish troll. There is no obligation for you to apologise for or justify yourself to any wanton goblin spewing waste into your life. The fact that you do anyway, just points to you being a better human than the garbage monster shitting on your floor while telling you how to think and behave.

Cherno Alpha

Gotta remove toxic people, especially that condescending, elitist jerkwad. You're a good person and you did the right thing. Moving on....

Kelly Parks

People forget that this channel is as much a business as a passion project at this point and we do not need the business of ignorant people who cannot express their thoughts in a civilized and respectful manner. We want a supportive community, and I know there are plenty of good people here who can help us foster that.

Nerd Chronic

This is why i decided not to watch the video. I already knew it was going to be a controversial topic and i feel like it's not worth debating other people because no one is going to change anyone's mind.

5th Round Lawler

Yikes reading that guy's comment is the problem in of itself. I hate comments like that because it just proves how ignorant people are. Yes all lives do matter but that's not the point. The point is that the black community still suffers daily, from incident to incident with seemingly no end. This problem is an endless cycle and it disgusts me to the core. Ignorance is a scary fucking thing in this world who knew a thought process could be the downfall of humanity.

Daniel R

Hey Imon, I understand completely being an empath myself. It is truly a blessing as well as a curse many times. I hope that you and Abi take care of yourselves first mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. These are troubling times, and we all have to find ways to cope/move forward/deal with whatever is to come of the recent weeks. I completely understand how these things can affect your mind, body, and soul, especially when people have the audacity to say you can't say your opinion. I for one am glad you two spoke on such a touchy and divisive topic, and still have the heart to not attack those who attack you. You two are amazing and I hope you guys can keep growing in positivity and grace. Be well and safe :)

Speak your piece. Find some peace. Everyone here is literally paying money because we love you guys and we value your opinions. I can respect everyone's right to their opinion but sometimes an asshole is just an asshole. Never ever be bothered or ashamed for cutting someone off who is going out of their way to be ignorant...especially if that person(like the one in the OP) chooses to talk out both sides of their mouths. TLDR; we're with you through it all. You're on the right side of history and we love you for it.

Brian Carey

You did the right thing by blocking them. It’s one thing to have a differing opinion but to put someone else down multiple times because of it is just messed up. I’m still surprised there are people that equate BLM to “Only Black Lives Matter” it shows a huge lack of understanding on the topic. Like any other subject, if you aren’t educated on it you probably shouldn’t speak on it. As a black man who speaks his mind I know how frustrating it is to deal with these sorts of people. Keep on speaking your mind, Imon. Those of us that understand you will continue to support your thoughts.

Johnny Paradise

Good, block him. Love all that y’all do. Brings me happiness everyday I get an email notification that a new video is up. Thank you for all that you do.

Kevin Campos