Discussing FSR 4, DLSS 4, RX 9000, and RTX 5000 w/ Ancient Gameplays
Added 2025-03-14 20:27:35 +0000 UTCThe next episode of Broken Silicon will see us be joined once again by Fabio of Ancient Gameplays! In all honesty, this is one of those episodes where you could ask us just about anything touching on our usual subjects - but of course we plan to heavily discuss FSR 4 vs DLSS 4 and RTX 5000 vs RX 9000 by default.
Write in below - and make sure you are as concise and thoughtful as possible with your questions! You have ~24 hours to submit!
Check out Ancient Gameplays: https://www.youtube.com/ancientgameplays
Last Episode Fabio was on: https://youtu.be/vyQxNN9EF3w?si=AfgncxfOalyJABQv
AG 9070 XT Review: https://youtu.be/KnL_PtQBGqk?si=WIjG67LaaoYljQ9m
Comments
I've just got time to watch the recent loose end... Talk of the RX 9070 non-XT, 220W is around the same TDP ballpark of 6700XT, 3060-3060ti... They definitely could do a 2 fan 2 slot 1x8pin design to cut cost as much as possible to hit right at MSRP or possibly even lower. The current breed of GPU reminds me of the Motherboard creep after the arrivals of Intel i9, to the point that most common boards ~200$ already have way too overkill cooling and VRM design. AIBs alike need to get back to basic, with a minimal design, even limited to no OC headroom, but will run at stock stable for years on end and price accordingly.
Dark Side of the Force
2025-03-17 01:51:51 +0000 UTCI just bought an RX 9070 XT as I refuse to pay 2x the price for an RTX 5080 for slightly better raster and considerably better raytracing, although that was the level of performance I was after. What further sparked my decision was the potentially higher prices down the road due to tariffs, inflation, and other measures, and that I could potentially miss out on great prices right now. In the European Union, the Nvidia cards are upsold compared to the AMD counterparts, and you're paying a solid premium. The cheapest competing RTX 5070 Ti is 35% pricier than the cheapest 9070 XT, so it was a no-brainer. Does my experience reflect what you're hearing from your sources about a change in mind and market share in the GPU space? This is a question for both of you.
Hugo Ander Kivi
2025-03-16 12:06:18 +0000 UTCI’m probably too late, but I just dropped a comment on the last Broken Silicon video on Patreon that I should’ve put here. It’s a bit of a rant, but I’d be very interested in hearing yours and Fabio’s thoughts about any of the points I made.
Janan Clowes
2025-03-15 23:54:00 +0000 UTCRight now, it feels like Nvidia’s mindshare amongst gamers is crumbling by the day. However, let’s say that 6 months from now all Blackwell GPUs are easily available and with many options at MSRP (ignoring tariffs). In such a scenario, would you expect Nvidia’s mindshare to quickly return to normal or would the damage be more permanent? Would you expect Nvidia’s mindshare amongst developers and OEMs to be much different to those of gamers?
Chris Rijk
2025-03-15 16:05:59 +0000 UTCIf you recommend that everyone uses upscalers like DLSS 4 and FSR 4 where they can, would upscaled 4K benchmarks be more relevant than native 4K? With 1080p upscaled to 4K, how much of a bottleneck is the CPU?
Chris Rijk
2025-03-15 15:44:45 +0000 UTCI liked your Linux gaming test video. Is FSR4 correctly working on Linux? Did you like the experience? Considering MS has been all but neutral in the recent years (wintel, Ryzen issues up to 24H2, Qualcomm+Copilot...) and the Linux OS progress for gaming experience, should AMD more actively lead the progress of this alternative for consumers?
Ichnusa
2025-03-15 15:44:21 +0000 UTCWhy would FSR4 not be ready for RDNA3 or 3.5 at least with all these apu’s? This is just speculation but timeline wise it seems like FSR4 would have been in development well into RDNA3 and would have started being tested on it. If it’s a matter of making RDNA4 look better with the new exclusive feature. The better performance of FSR4 on the newer hardware would have been enough. Having it ready for both at launch would have been better for mindshare in my opinion.
Sad XTX 999
2025-03-15 09:09:57 +0000 UTCWhy doesn’t AMD have as much control or sway on their AIB’s like Nvidia? I understand they can’t sway the likes of ASUS or gigabyte, but Sapphire or power color? It feels like they should be able to heavily insist on more msrp models or deals if they won’t be making reference card themselves.
Sad XTX 999
2025-03-15 08:44:44 +0000 UTCWhat’s your opinion on no reference cooler for RDNA4? The renders they showed off looked pretty good so what’s the point of making them if they weren’t actually going to make them?
Sad XTX 999
2025-03-15 08:39:07 +0000 UTCI know you don't follow Apple as closely but I was wondering if you had any opinions on their weird staggered release of their Ultra chips, releasing a new Mac Studio with both an M4 Max and M3 Ultra. Their comments suggest there will be no M4 Ultra. Does all of this point to an issue with Apple's interposer or scaling?
Anthony Davis
2025-03-15 03:24:38 +0000 UTCBesides the 9060 XT, what do you want to see announced by AMD at Computex?
Cleansweep
2025-03-14 23:52:08 +0000 UTCWhat’s that Xbox handheld thing all about? I still can’t wrap my head around how that is going to work and make sense for anyone.
Lucas
2025-03-14 22:57:51 +0000 UTCMight FSR 4 be adapted to be accelerated by the PSSR hardware in PS5 Pro? PSSR has *some* decent implementations but I think we can agree it’s been a rough launch overall.
Lucas
2025-03-14 22:57:26 +0000 UTCthere is a ceiling to upscaling meaning it's not too long before FSR and DLSS are indistinguishable from each other. At that point the competition will move to algorithm performance and latency cost. How do y'all see the future playing out in terms of this battle? Can AMD win the latency war with it's compute unit and cache design? Do you think there will also be an additional boost when their APUs are RDNA4 and everything CPU/GPU/Memory/AI blocks are so close to each other?
Vagabundo de Confianza
2025-03-14 22:54:24 +0000 UTCNvidia's DLSS 4 promises better frame AI prediction but reviews show increased ghosting compared to previous versions. Are we seeing a bubble in this space or is it just Nvidia releasing under cooked software as per usual.
Batty251
2025-03-14 22:42:53 +0000 UTCDo you have any more information on the launch supplies (or upcoming supplies) for 9070 series? Enjoyed your interview with a MC employee and saw some preliminary numbers in the GN video and Micro Center’s own.
Per Lichtman
2025-03-14 22:11:42 +0000 UTCThe more you buy, the more you save
magneticmanul
2025-03-14 21:51:27 +0000 UTCI picked up a Ryzen 5600T for $100 and RX 6600 for $189 at Micro Center last week. Even though mid-range is horrendously expensive, low end gaming looks much *more* affordable now than when I started building 15 years ago, after considering inflation. How long will a build like mine stay relevant for new games, considering 1080p/60Hz? Will 8GB VRAM be truly unusable soon?
magneticmanul
2025-03-14 21:50:54 +0000 UTCI just love the overall 'vibe' of the RDNA4 launch. After years of GPU chaos with shortages, overblown marketing claims, and endless buzzwords about AI and ray tracing, AMD comes through with something refreshingly honest – a gaming card that's actually designed for gaming first. Sure, it has all those special features like the improved ray tracing hardware and AI accelerators, but they're not the main thing.
QuickJumper
2025-03-14 21:18:42 +0000 UTCI've been looking at RDNA4's implementation of ray tracing, and it's fascinating how AMD approached the hardware acceleration. They've added dedicated hardware for ray transform operations and implemented a specialized 128KB ray traversal cache for each pair of Compute Units. The design seems incredibly thoughtful - offloading geometry transforms to dedicated silicon while using the local cache to handle BVH traversal more efficiently. I'd love to see a deeper technical dive into how these specific architectural choices compare to NVIDIA's approach with their RT cores. AMD seems to be making really smart design decisions that help them close the ray tracing performance gap while maintaining efficient design. What's your take on these specific hardware additions and how they might influence RDNA4's real-world ray tracing performance?
QuickJumper
2025-03-14 21:06:33 +0000 UTCI couldn’t buy any, and I could easily buy 100 5090s. And under $10K a piece! Very cheap for the AI capabilities enabled!
Jen-Hsun Huang
2025-03-14 20:40:04 +0000 UTC50-series problems with supply is AIBs holding things up, and also them doing 12-pins wrong, and them not checking for ROPs before shipping. It’s all the AIBs faults.
Jen-Hsun Huang
2025-03-14 20:37:32 +0000 UTCFSR 4 is an extremely impressive accomplishment, given that it is AMD's first attempt at machine learning upscaling and no doubt the collaboration between AMD and Sony helped. It is arguably superior to DLSS 3 in many ways, but not quite to the level of the new transformer model of DLSS 4. Was this the level of quality you were expecting or has FSR 4 surprised you?
Hugo Ander Kivi
2025-03-14 20:34:38 +0000 UTCWith all eyes on Radeon, your channel is about to blow up with viewers, keep making great content! Any major issues with the 9070XT, how smooth has the launch been for you?
shredbird
2025-03-14 20:31:56 +0000 UTC
