Die Shrink 91: RTX 2060 or A770? $1000 RTX 4080 or 7900 XTX with DLSS Support?!
Added 2023-01-27 18:00:05 +0000 UTCTom and Dan sit down to answer and debate intentionally probing questions attempting to get at things we may disagree over. Does Tom want cheaper cards or stronger cards next gen? Would Dan pay more for the 7900 XTX if it had DLSS support? Who would survive a body swapping better?
0:00 Intro Banter
2:25 Who gets madder at bugs? Who would do better with a body swap?
7:45 Who liked RX Vega more?
13:40 Is Ray Tracing getting better or worse adoption than expected in 2018?
19:43 RTX 2060 or A770?
25:32 Would we like an RTX 5090 that doubles performance, or a one that’s affordable?
35:46 Would we choose a $1000 RTX 4080, or a 7900 XTX with a DLSS support?
44:01 Would we buy Prebuilts if they were cheaper?
47:49 Who hates loot boxes more? Is it gambling?
Comments
GPUs do literally cost more to make than they used to. When did GPUs get dirt cheap? When was the "PC Gaming Renaissance"? It was between 2011-2015....notice what was going on there? Stagnation on 28nm and the slowing of node shrinks. Those days were fantastic for getting people cheap multi-purpose rigs! You could get an HD 6670 for $70 and do solid 768p gaming, or get an HD 7950 for High Resolution Gaming for $300 with 2 free games! And ya know what? Back then we barely doubled performance every 5 years! Now we are raising performance by 50-100% every 2 years! This is the cost of progress. P.S. I am NOT saying Nvidia isn't being greedy, they are. But nice things do cost money.
Moore's Law Is Dead
2023-02-01 19:53:30 +0000 UTCI have a beef to pick with your opinion that it's OK to pay extra gen-over-gen for a card if we get massive performance jumps. There are several reasons for that in my opinion, but it mostly just boils down to company greed. First and foremost is the fact that it pushes all prices up. So now the low end gets really expensive and there is a limit to how much people can afford or are willing to spend on a hobby. I could easily afford a 4090 if I wanted to, but I am not willing to spend that much on a hobby. Due to inflation, $400 is stretching it for how much I would like to pay for a good card. Right now, $300 is probably a limit. Second of all is the resolution and feature bucket the card falls into. 1080p, 1440p, 4K... if we are forced to go down to lower tiers, the cards will have a massive bottleneck at higher resolutions. That means while I could game at 4K in a certain gen, now I can only game at 1080p (obviously exaggerated to get my point across). And then there are features. Who is to say that companies won't start limiting or bottlenecking certain features at some point? Like say, you can't use hardware acceleration for streaming or encoding below a certain tier. Again, because we're pushed down to a lower tier card, we don't get access to those features. Going with prev gen also has the same downsides as we're limited to feature availability, efficiency, etc. So I do absolutely not agree that it's OK to raise prices. Prices should go DOWN, or at the very least, should absolutely not increase above what ridiculous levels they're at now. This is my opinion.
Athena Azuraea
2023-01-30 20:15:46 +0000 UTCWould never buy a pre-built. I've been building my own PC's for over 15 years and I enjoy it.
Temet Nosce
2023-01-28 20:14:47 +0000 UTC
