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Broken Silicon 71: AMD & Intel’s Laptop Revolution: Renoir, Ultrabooks, Thermal Design | OEM Product Manager

A product manager at a MAJOR Laptop OEM joins Tom to discuss the past 15 years of Laptop Innovation…and where we will go in the next 5 years. The Ultrabook Revolution, Ryzen 4000, Zen 3, Ampere Mobile, Tiger Lake, and the trade-offs in laptop design are all discussed.


0:00 Who is our guest? What is a Laptop Product Manager?

6:00 How COVID-19 affected IT Businesses

9:00 Do businesses find Desktops useful anymore? What about Docked Laptops?

17:38 When did laptops stop being so awful?

26:22 Was the “Ultrabook” movement important, or just buzzwords?

31:02 Trade-Offs in Laptop Design: Batteries, cost, weight, performance…& so much more!

37:41 “Gaming Ultrabooks,” or “Creator Laptops.” Is this a threat to AMD’s APU initiatives?

43:30 Can we have more USB ports again? Where are the 1440p laptops?

56:15 Did AMD Renoir surprise OEMs? What advantages does Intel have over AMD?

1:08:15 Why do OEMs use cheap thermal paste?

1:14:54 How will laptops innovate over the next 3-5 years?

1:31:14 What type of gaming laptop do we recommend? Are external GPU setups worth it?

1:39:00 Will windows continue to dominate OEM laptops?

1:42:15 OLED Screens in laptops

Putting Renoir Performance in perspective: https://www.techspot.com/review/2018-amd-ryzen-4800h/

The Laptop Tom will evaluated (not recommended YET): https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-envy-laptop-15-ep0098nr

Mini LED doesn’t sound cheap: https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-unveils-pg32uqx-4k-144hz-mini-led-hdmi-2-1-gaming-monitor

Broken Silicon 71: AMD & Intel’s Laptop Revolution: Renoir, Ultrabooks, Thermal Design | OEM Product Manager

Comments

I was really surprised when you said you worked in Peoria. That's where I'm from and I do electronics prototyping and R&D for Caterpillar.

Don't forget Vizio joined OLED space, yes it's an LG panel but they entered the market. I'm looking forward to QDOLED, imo.

Steven Santovenia

Just on the note of Laptop/desktops in the work place. I recently started a new job in a I.T Support room. My old job was also I.T Support. My old place had us working on old desktops in a traditional office and desk setting. When they sent us home for Covid I was using my own Desktop at home for work I only have one screen at home so it was a bit annoying. The new place gave me a work suit; Laptop, Doc, two monitors, laptop, Mouse to set up at home. If I go into the office to work I just bring the laptop and plug into the doc at a desk. I don't see our place at least going back to full work from office. I think we will see laptops enabling consistency for hybrid work from home and office. As a life long desktop users I don't really see many good use cases for a Desktop in a business anymore. I am building a editing rig for a friend but it's a essentially a specialist piece of equipment. His laptop can already do most the render work just slower since it's old and he is retiring it to mainly admin and remote work purposes.

Conor Hoary

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Michael Costa

This was a good episode, the nv15 was worth reading into. cant wait for more OLED lap tops to come. Regarding work station laptops, I recently saw Eluculectronics selling up to 3950s cpus, in32 and 64 gb 17 frames. The battery life and weight are not convient but to me, that is now what I consider to be "the all in one " laptop pc. When will the main stream companies offer a device that can do the same, and how hard would it be for say, DELL to repackage 3800x in say next years cheap gaming lap top

Michael Costa

Sony has claimed that the use of liquid metal has net saved them money on their cooling design!

TSPCFS

Great topic and fantastic guest. This is actually relevant to me because my office have started to switch to "one device" since the pandemic. Instead of have those HP elitedesk workstation we all have surface laptops with a dock in the office. Once we rotate to WFH we also have docks with company issued monitors. I definitely see the desktop market getting a lot smaller than it is now since businesses are starting to switch to remote productivity.

SunShot

I agree about them not disappearing. But I say the same for laptops, consoles, tablets, and almost every form factor there is an established market for. Long term I can see the desktop market getting smaller than it is now in a world where 2nm APUs can do 4K AAA gaming...

Moore's Law Is Dead

I certainly feel this need for a computer that can get transported anywhere with all data I need in the same form and workflow process. Still sometimes this idea to work on a thin notebook with bad cooling (just because you can't fit enough heat pipes when it gets to small) and important data is sometimes a bit scary. If I would keep gaming in mind as your primary activity on a computer, I think huge gaming deskops will never disappear in my opinion.

arcon


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