Attack on Titan S04E15 'Sole Salvation' - FULL REACTION!
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as a wise man once said, find someone who looks at you like Kat looked at Sonny during the opening theme song in the full length Patreon feed reaction to Attack on Titan season 4 episode 15: Sole Salvation. That shit was cute as hell Also: I keep wondering that same thing about making Eldians incapable of transforming into Titans altogether instead of sterilizing them and doing it that way. Like a lot lol The discussion about that got me thinking; they said the Founder Ymir was was the very first Titan to ever exist... and she split into 9 Titans after her death.... if the Paths all lead from "the Coordinate" TO the other 8 Titans, and vice versa the way I understand them to... I wonder if maybe the only way to truly eradicate the ability altogether is for all 9 Titans to return to their original state as a single entity and just... cancel Eldia's subscription to You Could Be a Titan Too magazine lol idk
Andrew G
2022-05-25 05:44:18 +0000 UTCunderrated aspect of zeke's plan: they can rid the world of titans without any direct bloodshed or war - no lives would be lost as a direct result of this solution.
brian
2022-05-20 08:31:31 +0000 UTCGood point. Zeke's ideology is a weaker version of antinatalism and definitely not as evil or radical.
MrBo2
2022-05-19 17:46:53 +0000 UTCIt depends on the level of suffering involved. A certain degree of pain is needed for survival and motivation. However extreme levels of suffering are only pointless and makes the lives of those involved a living hell not worth living. Having children in such conditions should be illegal just how it is illegal to torture people or make them suffer on a high, pointless and immoral level. Think of starving children in Africa for example, surrounded by hundreds of flies and mosquitoes, only being skin and bones, with no hope nor future, destined to die before the age of 10. Having children in such and similar conditions should simply be illegal. End of the story. It's pure torture being born in such conditions, and the children are not born out of love, but for them to work. Similar to Eldians in Marley. Endless, pointless suffering. This is why Zeke is right.
ForxBase
2022-05-19 16:56:42 +0000 UTC🥰❤️
Sonny Mike Olsen
2022-05-19 04:32:26 +0000 UTCIt's not anti natalist really because it singles out one race.
Sarcaamstic
2022-05-19 03:22:15 +0000 UTCI mean I can't say too much but it was confirmed in part II that Ackermans ARE subjects of Ymir, otherwise Mikasa wouldn't have been in one particular scene.
Sarcaamstic
2022-05-19 03:21:19 +0000 UTCGiven the ackermans were altered through titan science and likely through the founding titan's ability to alter biology, it seems to be they would have to be subjects of ymir or else they couldn't be altered. I'm not 100% sure about that tho. But you are indeed correct, not all eldians are subjects of ymir and not all subjects of ymir could be labelled as eldians. I would think the noble bloodlines are just members of other races that were absorbed into eldia without mixing as well as eldians that don't have subject of ymir blood, which explains their immunity to the founding titan.
Albertan Motorcyclist
2022-05-19 03:12:35 +0000 UTCside note but your future child/children are incredibly lucky to have you two as their parents. the mindset and point of view you guys have on these serious and heavy topics highlight how great of people you are. 🖤
Kristy Cheuk
2022-05-19 02:08:56 +0000 UTCIt was never stated that the ackermans themselves were subjects of ymir though. I personally don't think they are for reasons I already said and others related to the end of the manga I obviously won't talk about because spoilers but I could be wrong. Doesn't really matter. My overall point was that some eldians are more than likely not subjects because they show no connection to the paths ie, the oligarchy pre uprising
OIAIO
2022-05-19 01:37:27 +0000 UTCReally enjoyed your discussion in this one!! I'm not a Zeke fan at all, but I have so much sympathy for him as a kid. I wouldn't say Grisha and Dina didn't have love for him but they were terrible parents for sure, he deserved a better childhood (but in this show not a single character gets that lol). That being said, I'm still against him and his "euthanasia plan", that's just a slow way to commit genocide, and while I understand his motivations, to me his way of thinking is really patronizing and messed up, like him saying "I didn't steal, I saved lives" is... a bit concerning lol. Whether life is worth living or not is something that each person has the right to decide, it's not up to him to make that choice for everyone else, even if it's for "the greater good". I just find it disturbing how disposable other people's lives seem to him, can't forget how much he enjoyed killing the Survey Corps and how he turns Eldians into titans to use them as weapons. Not cool Zeke 😔👎 oh and he blew up my boy Levi in this one, double 😔👎 for him. Great character though!!! grateful to have this kind of antagonist in the story, he really gets you thinking.
rayolaser
2022-05-19 01:32:57 +0000 UTCAs an anti natalist myself I do agree with Zeke's plan
Gu
2022-05-19 01:25:28 +0000 UTCJessie what the f are you talking about I'm pretty sure Ackermanns are Subjects of Ymir, Eren said in that table scene in the manga that they are byproduct of Eldia's experminets on Subjects of Ymir, and also that they get experience from all past Ackermanns through the paths, so they must be connected to them like all the other Subjects of Ymir. and that part about being connected by their host also doesnt hold up but cant say why cuz spoilers
Azmaing1
2022-05-19 01:12:50 +0000 UTCA lot of people are saying that all eldians are subjects of ymir but that isn't exactly true. Most are but in season 3 it was stated that there are noble bloodlines that aren't effected by the founder and I would definitely consider these people apart of eldia. The Ackermans also aren't subjects of ymir while still being eldian. They're a family from a different ethnic background than subjects of ymir that was altered by titan science to give them abilities to protect the king like eren said in his talk with armin and mikasa. This is why Uri couldn't use the founder to read Kenny's mind in S3 because they're not actually connected to the paths via the founder, they're connected to the paths by their subject of ymir host(Erwin for Levi, Eren for Mikasa).
OIAIO
2022-05-19 00:15:51 +0000 UTCSame, I understand where Ksaver and Zeke are coming from but at the end of the day the euthanization plan is genocide. Sterilizing an entire race is messed up even if you think you're doing it to "save the world", it's just a decision too big for one single person to make.
rayolaser
2022-05-19 00:13:32 +0000 UTCYeah I think his method is extremely flawed, but I definitely consider him one of the most compassionate characters. Probably only below Falco and Armin
Hannah N
2022-05-18 23:41:39 +0000 UTCFor real . Im from Argentina and I live in Guatemala . I strongly believe Nordic people are the most gorgeous people on Earth . You can thank Vikings for that haha .
Facundo Brouwer de Koning
2022-05-18 23:19:37 +0000 UTCYou are both very beautiful looking people !!! That's a fact for sure.
Facundo Brouwer de Koning
2022-05-18 23:12:37 +0000 UTCHey : ), your standard for life is one that is as free from suffering as possible. However, it could be argued that suffering is an essential product and catalyst for a life in many ways. In a world where nihilism can seem crushing and infuriating, know that it can also be a catalyst for hope, because of the knowledge that life is intrinsically defiant. I'm not claiming to know what can constitute a life worth living, but I just wanted to provide a different perspective my friend.
goodgoodnotbad
2022-05-18 21:51:55 +0000 UTCI rarely buy patreon tiers but this is an amazing ride with you guys! The way Kat kept looking at Sonny saying "you're so pretty" my heart melted. :( All the best to you guys!
Laladybug
2022-05-18 19:51:08 +0000 UTCI agree with your guys' discussion at the end- it's very conflicting. I always like to bring the parallels back to Marley= Nazi Germany and Eldians= Jewish people during World War 2. Sterilizing the Jewish people (a lot of them were) is so fucked man- because at the end it is straight genocide. Because other people don't like a certain race, is it right to phase them out? Dunno, I just can't get on board with Eren/Zeke, but I can understand where they are coming from
DM Punk
2022-05-18 19:01:58 +0000 UTC❤️
Sonny Mike Olsen
2022-05-18 17:43:29 +0000 UTCSooo.. did you listen to our discussion?
Sonny Mike Olsen
2022-05-18 17:42:19 +0000 UTCI actually agree with Zeke's way of thinking. If your standard of living is high enough for your child to have a good life, and you know that you have what it takes to be a good parent, go for it and have children. But if your standard of living is miserable and you're gonna be a bad parent, and your child will get a miserable existence, you shouldn't be allowed to have children. You're basically torturing your future child at this point. Absolutely unacceptable. Like killing for survival only, procreation is one of the most fundamental things to life. That doesn't mean it should be allowed or endorsed in all scenarios.
ForxBase
2022-05-18 16:54:37 +0000 UTCjust started watching the reaction, you are both beautiful human beings in many ways ;-)
RED Furious
2022-05-18 16:48:43 +0000 UTCFirst off, Kat looking at Sonny lovingly during the opening makes me want to believe in love again. Second, I giggled at Kat's outraged "Nooo" when the episode ended because I remembered my own frustration knowing I had to wait one week to know what happened to Levi (one week... heh :') )
Meg B
2022-05-18 16:43:06 +0000 UTC27:07 very important point here
Franz
2022-05-18 16:40:44 +0000 UTCNotice how this show makes you think that Zeke is the most heartless of them all, feeling no remorse at all when killing, etc. Then this episode drops, and whatever your personal take is on this plan of his, it clearly shows how Zeke really is the one with the most compassionate goal in mind.
ForxBase
2022-05-18 16:22:06 +0000 UTCWe say you shouldn't be able to tell someone whether or not they can have children but of course we have conditions for this. I'm sure most people can understand population regulations, stopping a child from being born in an abusive environment, or not having a kid if you knew it'd have birth defects. We also talk about the choice of the "parent" but never consider what the child being born will think. Like Zeke and Mr.Ksaver for example, both wish they where never born and I think that violation is just as serious as sterilizing someone. Most people brush that off and think something is wrong with someone if they don't want to exist, that feeling festers and creates more problems. Having a child is a gamble in any world and we do our best and hope for the best but the best rarley happens. An all we can do is go 🤷🏾♂️ that's life kid it's not fair but I HAD to bring you into the world because I wanted it.
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2022-05-18 16:18:35 +0000 UTCZeke's plan is the only plan that guarantees long term success. Making Eldians unable to transform will not stop the racism and stigma around them. As long as Eldians exist, they will be treated like slaves by all the other races. Even if they can't transform. So Zeke's plan is the only "peaceful" plan with a 100% success rate: Making the Eldian race go extinct "peacefully" in a 100 years time.
ForxBase
2022-05-18 16:11:26 +0000 UTCGosh I was overwhelmed with the wholesomeness throughout that segment…Kat was fixated on Sonny…Sonny was clueless for a bit…made me forgot this was AOT for a moment 🤧
Chikᶠⁱˡa
2022-05-18 15:56:23 +0000 UTCIn general, Eldians are Subjects of Ymir. Eldian is just more of a reference to the nation of Eldia, whereas Subject of Ymir refers to the blood shared by the Eldian people. For most intents and purposes, they are interchangeable.
Maia Brodsky
2022-05-18 15:51:13 +0000 UTCyall too cute!!!!
Sarai Olivares
2022-05-18 15:47:24 +0000 UTCI think even if the founder can make the eldians “normal” (cant turn into titans) it doesnt change the weight of their ancestors the rest of the world would throw at them and the continuation of suffering. The history of the eldians ancestors is a big part of the suffering of the eldians as seeb many times in this season
kavus Latifi
2022-05-18 15:47:13 +0000 UTCJust some clarifications. Anyone who can transform into a titan is a Subject of Ymir. Eldia was the empire that consisted of Subjects of Ymir. Hence all Eldians are Subjects of Ymir. Now the Eldian Empire doesn't exist anymore but the Subjects of Ymir/Eldian are used interchangeably. And another thing, Memory erasing isn't strictly a "special" ability, the fonuding titan can manipulate the physiology of Subjects of Ymir as if they were all connected to the coordiante. Implying, how the memory would get erased is by manipulating the Neurons so that certain memories would be erased just like the founding titan changed physiology to get rid of the plague that spread 600 years ago.
Raiyan Islam
2022-05-18 15:36:48 +0000 UTCEldians = subjects of Ymir
enchantertim
2022-05-18 15:28:10 +0000 UTCSubjects of Ymir and Eldians are synonymous. They all have the ability to turn into titans
Je_Maraj
2022-05-18 15:24:51 +0000 UTCI want someone to look at me the same way Kat looked at Sonny this episode
Jim Nasium
2022-05-18 15:11:04 +0000 UTCMemory erasing and sterilizing are not exclusive abilities of founding titan imo. They seem to be both part of biological change/control founding commands over subjects of ymir.
MrBo2
2022-05-18 14:28:24 +0000 UTCthat lil moment of yalls during the op was so wholesome man
Paras
2022-05-18 14:08:14 +0000 UTC
