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Band of Brothers E4

Band of Brothers E4

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They also just gave the German soldiers not-so-secret meth. They just gave them straight-up meth pills called Pervitin.

Lina Distadio

The Dutch people in Eindhovern, and the resdt of Holland, were overjoyed to be liberated. The Nazis had been taking their men to Germany as slave labor, deporting the Jews to death camps, and taking almost all the food - a lot of the Dutch were suffering from severe malnutrition by then. The Germans were trying to inflict as much suffering as they could on the people of Eindhoven as punishment for celebrating their liberation - that's why they bombed the town, even though they knew they wouldn't be fighting there again. Along those same lines, when the Germans had to retreat from Paris, Hitler gave orders for the entire city to be burned. The German general in charge in Paris disobeyed that order because he thought it was vicious and barbaric, as it was.

Jim Finley

I mean, remember back in 2002 when the Air National Guard guys were all hopped up on Dexadrine in an F-16 and killed 4 friendly troops? Drugging up soldiers has literally been common throughout most of human history haha. https://archive.ph/20121212032952/http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123007615 '“Fatigue from sustained operations can place pilots at severe risk from (decreased alertness) unless effective fatigue-management strategies are (used)” said Dr. John Caldwell, a scientist with the Air Force Research Laboratory’s fatigue countermeasures branch here. One strategy involves using medications to enhance alertness. For more than 60 years, dextroamphetamine was the Air Force’s “go pill” of choice. In December, a new compound, modafinil, was approved for some bomber missions, he said.' More than 60 years of use. It's fun to pretend it was just evil Nazi's on drugs, but it's just completely false. An argument could be made that they consumed a lot more drugs, but again, they weren't alone.

dabbingcannasseur

If you're talking about the scholarly article, sorry about that; here's a copy of it: https://file.io/ae82FBSpSInw

tkitez

Plus they made a big deal about the German Army covering 20 miles a day. Julius Caesar was famous for his speed, as he marched his Roman Army 40 miles a day.

Catherine LW

I wish I could read the article but it’s restricted. And yes, it’s misleading to pretend it was some kind of major scandal.

Catherine LW

Well, not everyone. The “documentary” is a bit sensationalistic. Ordering half a million Benzedrine pills by the US military isn’t enough for “everyone”, since we had 10 million servicemen deployed around the world. It was probably for pilots. Plus some of the footage they used on shell shock was from WWI. I don’t base conclusions on just tv documentaries. Hard history books are the best sources.

Catherine LW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te8B9lvAZRo Everyone was drugged up in WW2.

dabbingcannasseur

https://direct.mit.edu/jinh/article-abstract/42/2/205/50354/ It wasn't really a stigmatized drug before, during, and just after WWII, but the allies didn't rely upon it as the Germans did. Hell, OTC diet pills had meth in them in the 40s/50s. Germans had a taste for it due to their dwindling supply lines and reliance upon superior training of their forces; this obviously was a failure as the Americans'/allies ability to project their ad-hoc infrastructure throughout the war simply overwhelmed the increasingly isolated axis powers in Europe. And when the training regime broke down later in the war, and the Nazis were using conscripts that were barely teenagers or otherwise compromised, the rate of casualties for the Germans increased to an unsustainable level compared to the freshly trained/deployed troops of the allies. If you lose two men to the Germans' one, it is an acceptable loss that will eventually go in your favor due to equipment, rations, supplies, et cetera, being flooded into the European theatre that the Germans simply cannot match given their increasingly limited sources of raw materials/etc.

tkitez

I’ve read a lot of WWII history books by authoritative historians like Max Hastings, Ian Toll, and Victor Davis Hanson. None ever mentioned anything about the Allies giving methamphetamines to their troops. Where did you get that from?

Catherine LW

Not just the Germans, pretty much every major army had their soldiers all jacked up on some sort of amphetamines. Our bomber pilots especially were loaded up with plenty of 'go pills' to make it through their long flights.

dabbingcannasseur

Another fun fact, the German high command would give German troops chocolate that secretly had meth in it to make them fight longer and harder through the night. They called it "Panzerschokolade"

Marcus

The interesting part of Market Garden, is that the US and Britain were so eager to show off the capability of their new paratrooper divisions, but General Patton kept advancing into German occupied territory so fast that he kept getting to their drop zones before the paratroopers could drop. They literally had to tell Patton to stop beating the Germans back so fast so Britain and the US could use their paratrooper divisions. They ended up biting off more than they could chew. By the time the Germans knew the Americans and British were jumping into Holland, they had time to set ambushes like the one you saw here.

Marcus

Thank you! I had no idea why he did that!

Julie A

Great reaction! Operation Market Garden had too many moving parts that relied on timing and precision to succeed, as we all know that battle plans go out the window when the fighting starts. As others already said, a battle hardened SS unit was there that Allied intelligence missed. The Germans excelled in counter-attacks, even when taken by surprise. Their ability to regroup was better than the Allies, and they adhered to the “speed, surprise and violence of action” doctrine.

Catherine LW

Not yet, we have a lot on our plate at the moment. :)

Asia and BJ

Detail: when the lieutenant is asking Martin to tap him on the leg, he was color blind. He lied about it to get into the war.

Joel McDaniel

Such a great series, I still own my VHS boxset of it.

Darth Brooks

Hey I cant message anyone something is wrong so I’ll just post here have you thought about freedom writers yet?

Jasmin Holmes

I have forgotten just how good this series is. Glad I’m watching it again through you Asia and BJ.

Pink Martini AZ

a bunch of unfortunate things were against the allies. In the rush to get this operation going, any intelligence that the top brass did not want to hear was discounted, such as tanks in the woods etc. The brass would say "oh they are not operational and there are only old men and boys against you". The wrong crystals for the radios were sent along and units had poor communication with each other. One intelligence officer who persistently bugged his superiors with photos of the tanks was relieved of command for loss of nerve. The british paratroopers were dropped 10 miles from their objective of Arnhem bridge and had to fight hard to reach it only to be surrounded by a crack unit with lots of experience in russia. The airdrops of ammunition fell right into the hands of the germans. The german officer in charge asked the british to surrender after killing a bunch of british. He stated to the british officer "we treat each other like animals in russia, but there is no need for more bloodshed here". The higher ups mistakes cost the lives of many. The above is more fully explained in the movie A Bridge Too Far.

Gary Morse

You should consider reacting to the movie "A Bridge Too Far" about this battle. It has an all star cast and you would get a much greater understanding of how huge and tragic the battle turned out to be.

Stephen Knueppel

Unfortunately history has become a forgotten subject in modern schools.

Richard Blain Russom

Its different when you realize these are real stories from real people and not just a movie like Saving Private Ryan. Great movie but a way different impact vs reality. @AsiaandBJ not sure if you have ever seen "The Great Escape". Based on a true story about the largest POW escape during WWII. Pretty much a who's who of British and American actors in the 60s. Great watch. Free on Bing video https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+great+escape+movie&view=detail&mid=86DBBC7C0A53CDF5B37086DBBC7C0A53CDF5B370&FORM=VIRE

Jerry

Montgomery's "no unnecessary destruction of property" was a "nice" order but very dangerous for the troops.

Jerry

An I don't know how well you all know your history. But 65 million people died in WW2.

Michael Yoder

Yes the people in Endhoven Holland were cheering. Easy Company Liberated them from the germans.

Michael Yoder

unfortunately the week before the allies dropped in, there was an ss armored unit from the russian front, resting and refitting in Arnhem. That is why the british lost 8000 men. they ran into a battle hardened unit and many were shot out of the sky in their parachutes. while the Americans had a relatively easy drop.

Gary Morse

Me too.

Jesse

like they said, it was a risky plan, but if it had succeeded, it would shorten the war. The germans did not have advance knowledge of the plan.

Gary Morse

Another good reaction. Did you catch what the leader of the Dutch resistance said to Winters? We have been waiting for this day for over 5 years. Cant imagine being under nazi control for that long. An the little boy tasting chocolate for the 1st time. 5, maybe 6 years old. The germans took everything from these people.

Michael Yoder

The Germans had unexpectedly moved the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions into the Arnhem area shortly before the attack went in. The British airborne ran right into them when they were expecting little resistance. It was a British Intelligence failure because they neglected a few reports that German tanks had been seen by Dutch civilians in the area. The Germans were able to surround Arnhem trapping the British paratroopers who fought brilliantly, but were eventually forced to surrender when they ran out of supplies. There's a good movie about the battle of Arnhem titled A Bridge Too Far.

Mr Jackpots

Anyone know when we're going to watch Lord of the rings The two towers? I've been waiting patiently. Don't know how much longer I can wait lol

Rio Mendoza

Tough battle but many more to go.

Dan63

This series is unbelievably awesome. I’ve heard about it for years but this is my first time watching it also. Thanks Asia and BJ and of course I’ll finish with a yo. Haha.

Jesse


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