Cora-san! One Piece Episode 703 Reaction
Added 2023-01-13 21:19:59 +0000 UTC
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Thanks for the reply, I agree that sharing different views makes the experience more interesting! I agree with what you wrote, Doffy has a domineering personality, and his love for his family is conditional on their unwavering loyalty (perhaps because he felt betrayed by his father). I wonder how a person like him would react if one of his crew wanted to quit the family? Maybe he would kill that person, or let them go as long as they are not directly in opposition to him. I don't know about 'willing to sacrifice themselves', since we saw him forgive Trebol and Diamante's mistakes (also could be because they are senior executives in the Family). He has a disregard for human life - seeing his participation in slave market, SAD, Colosseum, etc. and that makes him evil - but still not sure if that makes him 'evil since birth' as Corazon said as these are the things he does as an adult in life.
Shiro
2023-01-18 11:26:37 +0000 UTCI hear what you're saying, and it isn't uncommon and I do think Doffy has a personality that is quick to anger, yet very calculating. While I don't disagree that Doffy shows care for those in his crew, I question his motives for it. Does he truly care from the heart, or is it because they helped mold him into achieving his power and are invaluable for him to carry out his plans of world destruction? He scratches their back, and they scratch his back in other words, and betrayal is absolutely unforgivable, of course. They obviously want him to achieve his goal. *Spoiler for anyone not passed this point* > His original plan was to have Rocy eat the Op Op fruit and eventually perform the perpetual youth surgery on him to make him live forever, killing Rocy in the process. Is that out of care for his brother? Does he think his brother is loyal enough to do that? Why would he want his brother to die if it weren't out of selfish intent? Same with Monet willing to blow herself up. Or Vergo. Should they all be willing to sacrifice themselves for his goals? No one can dispute he shows a level of care for them, but I do have questions about the motives behind it lol It's been a good discussion. I like it when people can share differing opinions or hypotheses without it becoming a shit fest.
emerald✨️octopus
2023-01-17 01:01:40 +0000 UTCVery interesting discussion. Actually, even I found that line by Rocy to be biased. Both children went through same circumstances and turned out different, this is not uncommon. Say, if two brothers have an alcoholic abusive father, then one son might take after him, the other son may turn out to be completely opposite of his father. I think Doffy’s personality makes him the type of person to rage and carry out vengeance, whereas Rocy is leaning towards kindness and forgiveness. Hence, when put in a traumatic situation, Doffy’s reaction is more violent and lashing out, whereas Rocy being timid internalizes the trauma. I still don’t see how that makes Doffy inherently evil. If he was, he wouldn’t care about his Family at all!
Shiro
2023-01-17 00:44:32 +0000 UTCobvious bait lol
Ashleigh Johnson
2023-01-16 15:01:04 +0000 UTCSo glad I caught up in the midst of this fire backstory
prod
2023-01-16 10:38:29 +0000 UTCYou're right. The characters are very complex and interesting. It's why I think it's a great arc despite the overabundance of flashbacks and poor pacing in the anime. I guess it depends on how you view Celestials. Are they considered "naturally evil" in the first place, given all the heinous things they do? They don't have to reign over the world, calling themselves gods and treating "normal people" like trash, but they do. Is it because they don't know any better, or do they believe they're entitled to? If Doffy grew up in that environment and didn't want to give it up, is it because he's "naturally evil" or because he just didn't know any better? It's hard to say since the Donquixotes were the anomaly amongst the Celestials, but really wouldn't be amongst common people. Imagine having so much power and influence, you can get away with anything. How many would willingly give it up? His father did contribute to destroying his family, but I think it's fair to say he really had no idea "humans" would absolutely despise them since no one shows outright disrespect for fear of dying. Does Doffy wanting that power at his age and decapitating his only loving father for it make him a monster or a product of his environment (and consider Corazon was also raised in that environment)? How many "normal" people would do that without being called a monster? I think Corazon's feelings may be influenced by how they responded to their situation, too. They were raised in the same environment and had the same experience. But Doffy responded with wanting to destroy the world, and Corazon responded by trying to prevent it. It's a stark contrast. Does that make Corazon the anomaly, or is he "normal" for wanting to prevent such a tragedy?
emerald✨️octopus
2023-01-15 18:48:24 +0000 UTCI think the message is more like that Doffy was not born evil but his surroundings in Mariejois and the ones after he killed his dad were responsible for his character development. So even Rocy or Law could have turned out to be like older Doffy, but somebody else took care of them and that‘s why they are so different now. It‘s about raising a child with love and not with violence because a child is not really fault for his behaviour, it‘s their education or parents.
Kevko
2023-01-15 18:29:34 +0000 UTCKinda obvious when you think about it but I never caught it lol thanks
This_is_Patrick
2023-01-15 13:29:15 +0000 UTC@Lady Flawless Corazon is basing his judgement on Doffy killing his father which I adressed in an earlier reply. And you must assume that Corazon's judgement is emotionally influenced by his feelings towards his father and the fact that he was a child when he formed his opinion about his brother. Children categorize things in good, evil and rarely something in between. The ability to see something in a more nuanced way is something that comes with age normally. His trauma might not allow him to look at it objectively, though. Again, I don't condone family murder. But Oda wrote some incredibly complex characters for this arc and it deserves to be looked at in a more nuanced way. Characters statements aren't 100% facts necessarily. They can just be opinions.
This_is_Patrick
2023-01-15 13:28:05 +0000 UTCI get what you mean, you're right about Doffy being a bad kid and I didn't know that it was actually Doffy asking about the slaves. But my question is. How is Doffy "naturally evil" compared to other celestials his age? The only thing that supports that claim would be the decapitation he commited against his father at that point. Which was extremely brutal. But you really can't call it evil when it the feelings of rage he felt towards his father were warranted. His father single-handledly destroyed his family and traumatized his kids for life. Doffy had to watch his mother deteriorate and die without being able to do anything. His father was clearly responsible for it and got killed. I don't support actions like that but Doffy's actions were those of a rageful child and not a demon. He cared for his mother and stole food for her. It's Corazon being abnormally kind rather than Doffy being abnormaly evil. And that is what Oda hints at with him representing the card of hearts.
This_is_Patrick
2023-01-15 13:18:58 +0000 UTCAgain he was loyal to Sengoku and that was his mission. He would rather be a snitch if he didn‘t spy on Doffy imo. Or do you think being in the Marines makes him a snitch by default? I am trying to get your point but it makes no sense at all. Cause, your brother kills your beloved father and you are just walking away from that and let him kill even more people? I don‘t understand that mindset but people are different I guess. I would definetly feel responsible for him and make sure he lands in a prison cell or psychiatry if I see no way of morals or reform.
Kevko
2023-01-14 22:37:07 +0000 UTCThe only similarities I see between Doffy and Law before their experiences are riches and a good family. Law's riches came from his parents being good doctors and the prosperity of white lead in Flavence that was slowly killing everyone unbeknownst to them. Law loved his family and had all the means and potential to become a great doctor helping others like his mother and father, unlike Celestials. The nobles and the corrupted part of the world government ruined it, branding him as a "diseased" subhuman who should die. He wasn't "destined" to become a pariah wanting to destroy the world at the time. His anger stems from his future, family, and home being destroyed. That's far more tragic IMO and not really comparable to Doffy's. And I think Corazon also recognized that.
emerald✨️octopus
2023-01-14 20:09:22 +0000 UTCCelestial Dragons are inbred & evil. Homing (& his wife) was an extreme anomaly...not the norm. Charlos is the typical Tenryubito. Also, his little brother would know best, would he not?
Lady Flawless
2023-01-14 20:00:28 +0000 UTCAlso Law didn’t murder and decapitate his father for his own gain lol
AMetalWorld
2023-01-14 19:50:27 +0000 UTCA small correction since the guys also thought it was Corazon. But it wasn't Corazon asking about slaves. That was Doffy. He's in the background asking his parents about "where are the slaves, let them unpack everything," while Corazon is fascinated with digging through the treasure box. How they were treated for being descendents of Celestial Dragons wasn't okay, its fucked up. But there's a clear difference between their personalities, even as kids before they had those experiences. Example at the market where Doffy insists someone give him a gun so he can kill the people not falling to their knees in front of him. Doffy clearly embraced it and wanted that power when others of his family didn't. You could argue it's all he knew as a kid; the same could be said for Corazon, but we never see him behave that way. You really can't blame regular citizens either for being angry when their own children or family had been killed/enslaved for no reason. At the end of the day, the entire situation is a vicous circle that only stops when people don't want vengeance. Law's situation was way more fucked up and he has more right to be angry, but that's just my opinion.
emerald✨️octopus
2023-01-14 18:13:41 +0000 UTCCorazon means heart (in Spanish?). The 4 strongest commanders under Doffy are spade, heart, club and diamond. The first Corazon seat (heart seat) is Vergo, 2nd is Rosinate. Law's pirate crew even named "Heart" pirate crew maybe to remember Corazon.
theshittycook
2023-01-14 15:28:01 +0000 UTCI don't get why Doffy gets painted as someone who was evil since birth by Corazon. Doffy has been a twat as a kid but how was he different than all the other celestials? And Corazon was asking about slaves too when he was a kid. Doffy has almost the same past as Law, rich ass kid that lost everything by the hand of people that hate/fear them by default. That's literally what made Doffy like Law from jump. Maybe I'm missing something but Doffy has the right to be this pissed.
This_is_Patrick
2023-01-14 15:18:47 +0000 UTCI wouldn’t stick with my brother but I wouldn’t snitch on him either. I would leave him alone and mind my own business. Again, he could’ve just walk away but nah his snitch ass has to work for the government.
Jack SV
2023-01-14 14:45:44 +0000 UTCCora a real one, went in them trenches trying to keep the kids out of that life in the process. Rough seeing Law go through that discrimination all over again after he'd settled on just giving up.
SibilantWhisper
2023-01-14 11:17:37 +0000 UTCBro imagine crucifying a kid like that and burning him while shooting arrows and instead of crying h started laughing ans getting pissed , that shits terrifying lmao
BakedPuff
2023-01-14 07:05:52 +0000 UTCSeeing Law as a kid throw Cora in a dumpster reminded me of a Luffy lowkey he laughed away viciously ofc....Law just grew up colder but the D is in him *pause* && can we talk about Vergos EDGGaaaarrrrrrr cut
MojoJojoGojo
2023-01-14 06:10:40 +0000 UTCyea lol, they was both dumb is what I mean
DIO not Dio
2023-01-14 02:59:38 +0000 UTCYou‘d say the same about Koby or Garp? Cause you can‘t be loyal to everyone and Rocy obviously chose the Marines/Sengoku and not his pure evil brother who killed his own father. Would you stick to your brother when he kills your father and be cool with him?
Kevko
2023-01-14 02:57:29 +0000 UTCGood episode
Wesley Owens
2023-01-14 02:44:14 +0000 UTCGreat breakdown for those who don't know! (this is also why Vergo was such an asshole to Law, insisting he address him as "-san" as a title of respect and superiority over him, just to add.)
emerald✨️octopus
2023-01-14 02:35:55 +0000 UTCI love how right in the most emotional part of the episode (when Cora is crying, then we realize Law heard and started crying) you can hear Cora trip and fall in the background 🤣🤣🤣
ParanoidAndroid17
2023-01-14 02:01:42 +0000 UTCI just realized that some stuff about Doflamingo's crew is overlooked if you don't speak Spanish so in case y'all aren't familiar, Don Quixote is the name of a well-known Spanish novel. In that book, the main character, Don Quixote, has a horse named Rocinante (lmao, poor Rosinante) And the titles of Doflamingo's 4 executives are the Spanish words for the French card suits: Corazon - Heart, Diamante - Diamond, Trebol - Clover (Clubs), Pica - Pike (Spades) And on another note, using -san is a way of addressing someone with respect - Koby is a great example of this since he does it with like everyone lol So addressing a superior directly without any respectful suffix is considered rude, so yeah, little Law saying Cora-san was his way of opening up 😭👍
Mimi
2023-01-14 01:45:40 +0000 UTCAgain, that dude Corazón was a snitch so I can’t fuck with that.
Jack SV
2023-01-14 00:48:05 +0000 UTCLMAOO what??? actualy insane
joshnojoshua
2023-01-14 00:39:19 +0000 UTCNot that intelligent apparently, running around using his Celestial name like a twat lmao
The Pebble
2023-01-14 00:30:44 +0000 UTCAin’t wild. That dude was working with the government. He was a snitch so im glad he got put into a joint. I don’t feel sad for snitches.
Jack SV
2023-01-13 23:38:04 +0000 UTCCorazon is such an asshole to the kids to scare them away and get them to lose interest in joining the family; the success rate seems to be like 95% but some kids are too savage
Harry Branch
2023-01-13 23:33:01 +0000 UTCDang not only did Cora inherit his father kindness but also his intelligence 😭 When Law mentioned that the one thing about Cora that he didnt lie about was his goofy clumsiness that shi killed me. And when Cora himself says "I can't help it, I'm dumb"
DIO not Dio
2023-01-13 22:56:02 +0000 UTCWild take yo😂😂😂
Dakota Day
2023-01-13 22:48:26 +0000 UTCNah that nigga Corazón was a snitch. I don’t fuck with snitches! I’m glad that nigga got put into a pack 🚬
Jack SV
2023-01-13 22:35:59 +0000 UTC
