Oshi no Ko Episode 1 Reaction
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So, the point of the beginning, intentional or not, is basically to mercilessly paint idol culture are INCREDIBLY creepy and uncomfortable, because there's kind of this consistent message throughout the show of "the entertainment industry is a horrible, exploitative nightmare, and the only thing worse is the fans and their parasocial creepiness." Japan is legitimately just that fucking creepy, particularly with idol culture, and they presented the uncomfortable truth of that: where even the most "reasonable" person is still ultimately fucking *creepy* to any non-otaku. Because a huge part of otaku "culture" in general is just normalized creepiness. It's social commentary that's using the fact that people normalize this shit in anime to shine a light on the gross realities of the industry, and those "fans" who support such, in equal measure. So, yes. Uncomfortable is the right way to feel, and anyone who claims otherwise is probably part of the problem. The problem is just that it's *really* difficult to tell sometimes when that creepiness has narrative significance, rather than being "anime doing creepy anime BS." Ultimately, it's either an extremely clever way to communicate a core premise of the show, in reflecting the darkest parts of the industry... oooor it's a deranged case of Japan's fucked-up values leading to terrible mixed messages. It's impossible to really tell which interpretation is the truth, but... given that so much of the message focuses on "pretty lies," I'm inclined to believe that it's an intentional disparity, to emphasize how crazy it is. Buuuut that's just me being the sort who tends to put her belief in the writing for something having more than superficial value if it's proven to be capable of crafting more nuanced storytelling. Something like "In Another World With My Smartphone" isn't going to be getting the same benefit of the doubt from me as, like, Mushoku Tensei, because the latter is at least trying to use that garbage to make a point about its main character being pretty much a dead-end of a person, and it's at least presented as a *flaw* (albeit not with enough rebuke for a western audience, who are at least a *bit* less deranged). So... it's tough. There are anime that *intentionally* make their audience uncomfortable, but it's become so normalized by otaku garbage that it's kinda impossible to tell when it's being used to say "this is fucked up," because it blends in with the cases of "this is normal because anime," or whatever BS. In any case! It's GOOD that those things make people uncomfortable. It's just about *why* a story is doing that, and whether it's *supposed* to be, for the sake of some kind of commentary. Either way, though, the anime industry and otaku "culture" are ABSOLUTELY overwhelmingly fucked up, as is Japanese culture at-large, so it's hard to say "just have faith in that being for a good reason" or "it's social commentary." Because Japan is a place where a lesbian like me probably couldn't get married, yet someone can probably marry a body pillow. When even *Americans* can call out how creepy and backwards all this stuff is that's normalized in Japan, the bar has been set incredibly low, and it's difficult to "expect better." Even so... works like Oshi no Ko are important because they shine a light on those uncomfortable realities, and weird audiences out for the right reasons-- regardless of whether they intended all of that intro as social commentary, or even *none* of it. Hopefully, shows like this speak to progress, and that'll be what helps them to resonate, and right some of those wrongs that have continued to spiral out of control. But, well, I'm a bit of an optimist, despite my dire outlook on the current state of things. ^^; tl;dr: It's GOOD that you see that stuff as super uncomfortable. And I'd like to think that they are doing that *intentionally*, as a scathing commentary on just how vile the industry and its fans can be. So thinking "it's okay" is kinda being part of the problem by normalizing the weirdness. Which literally leads to a murder. ...I need to stop replying to random Patreon posts with no sleep. That was one hell of a ramble.
Jocelyn
2023-04-27 07:35:15 +0000 UTCin my opinion i think people more are gonna just bash you for never gonna pick up mushoku tensei again but i mean not everything is for everyone and not everyone is gonna get that through their head :D
Benjamin Yang
2023-04-27 05:57:51 +0000 UTCYeah, I was right there with you guys at the beginning. So gross. Whoever’s idea it was to sexualize a teen mom breastfeeding deserves to BURN IN HELL. What disgusting cur thought that was hot. What absolute fucking loser thinks that was neat. Women taking care of their kids and breastfeeding needs to be normalized, but no women have to feel uncomfortable because of filthy pigs sexualizing them FEEDING THEIR BABIES. And she’s a minor. Sometimes I hate Japan so much. I think the show could get better if they cool it with the creepiness, but the thing about anime is that if it shows that it’s capable of being creepy and gross it’ll most likely do it again.
Courtney
2023-04-26 18:51:03 +0000 UTCSo I took some more time to think about it and I have come to a new realization. It is uncomfortable on purpose. This whole show is about the idol industry and shining a light on the reality of it. The main character idolized her in the same way that the stalker did, but once he came into contact with her and came to know her as a person, he changed how he thought of her. She was an object curated to perfection and that is how people saw her. But as her doctor, he came to humanize her. You actually kinda see this happen to the stalker as he runs out the door, too. He approached an object and she talked back like a person. Because he changes his thinking, people feel the need to defend him as a whole, but no person is whole. we change and evolve. In the beginning, he was creepy in his thinking towards Ai. The point is that he evolves from that. When it comes to Sarina I think part of him was just trying to cheer her up. But the conversation later, he literally says that he conflates Ai and Sarina in his mind. Which at that point in the story, is objectifying them. I have a college paper coming up with a prompt similar to this premise (less anime-out-there) and I'm probably going to use this show to help formulated my thinking on that. It has been a fun thought experiment. Thanks to everyone else for contributing their opinions, it has given me a thought to think about and consider psychologically.
Alice Lapin
2023-04-22 16:01:10 +0000 UTCjeongyeon?! boom has taste.
lethargic_god
2023-04-22 00:24:19 +0000 UTCAs a person who is friends with a up and coming idol who is a mother, AI’s story just hits that much harder
Springtime Bonnie
2023-04-21 14:04:53 +0000 UTCI’d be super down to watch a Kaguya reaction from you guys, great show
Silver Kyrie
2023-04-20 22:40:11 +0000 UTCif i'm not mistaken, japan's schools have 4 week long seasonal breaks throughout the year
MiMiLock
2023-04-20 15:38:54 +0000 UTCIm definitly with yall that the start was creepy and uncomfortable, but i kind of like the switch in emotion from negative to positive. It just makes the good part so much better for me. This was my first watch rn so im pretty late and i knew people fucking loved it so i knew it was gonna be good, but that twist of it being weird to begin with had a "nice" touch ig
FedeZ7
2023-04-20 01:11:35 +0000 UTCExactly, it’s really all opinionated at the end of the day so we can definitely agree to disagree
Philbo
2023-04-20 00:43:21 +0000 UTCI have doctors in my family, a male gynecologist even, and he would be pretty bad at his job if he couldn't separate his personal feelings from his work when it needs to be done. Maybe that's why it didn't struck me at all as him needing to be disturbed, that's just classic doctor stuff
Matt Cole
2023-04-20 00:00:06 +0000 UTCI watched your reaction this morning, it was great! I can totally see why the beginning creeped you guys out, but for some, including me, didn’t bother me cause of how much I’ve seen men act like that and not in a sexual way, just overly adoring someone. It was nice to see you guys watch this, I have read quite a bit of the manga a while back and am going to start reading it again. From what I remember, I was really enjoying it.
Kayden
2023-04-19 18:47:06 +0000 UTCI also struggled with the first half of the show but i did like it towards the end. I loved yalls reaction to the show. I agree with all of your view points on it, and i'm also looking forward to the second episode. I haven't watched a good murder mystery anime in a long time.
MeikoKouyou
2023-04-19 16:51:41 +0000 UTCWasn’t that changed in the light novel and that’s what the anime is going based off of? Regardless I’m an anime only so whatever the anime story is going by is what I’m gonna consider actually canon. Rudy is really not that bad, I mean yeah he is at little weird for being so damn touch but he has gotten a lot better from what I’ve seen and he really is not a grown man considering he died and was reborn. Yes he has his old memories but bro is still a kid in this life. So him going after girls around his age is fine in my opinion. Now if he gets older and continues going after young girls then we will have a problem
Philbo
2023-04-19 16:34:33 +0000 UTCmushoku tensei was straight up the worst, he is a grown men going after underage girls, I mean the anime didn't show it but in the manga he put a camera in the bathroom to spy on his middle school niece and was caught jerking off to it. That was the reason he got kicked out to the streets, I heard in the novel it was worse
Master Oogway
2023-04-19 16:27:08 +0000 UTCThink its supposed to be both.
TrueWarriorJak
2023-04-19 15:43:35 +0000 UTCI struggle with the beginning of this show, because I don’t know if the main character is meant to exemplify how easily people can be sucked into these obsessive behaviors with famous people, or if it’s meant to be read straight as him just being attracted to a 16 year old idol.
Asher Dalbey
2023-04-19 15:39:26 +0000 UTCIt’s alright to feel uncomfortable, considering that’s not how things work here in America so it comes off weird, But like you said it’s a different culture so I didn’t really feel any type of way about especially since it’s anime. Also, he didn’t really come off weird at all, it’s not like he was interested sexually or anything, Bro just was a huge fan lol. Now if they were real life underage girls then that would be extremely uncomfortable. I feel like mushoku tensei has been catching unnecessary strays from people watching this anime lol
Philbo
2023-04-19 15:29:35 +0000 UTCWhen I watched the first episode, I had that uncomfortable feeling in the beginning. But upon rewatching it, and thinking about it, I think that its my own cultural bias. In western culture, I am ready to shut down anyone who "might" be creepy. If I feel slightly uncomfortable about something, before I understand it even, I'm likely to shut it down and call it wrong. Idols exist to be idolized, that is their job. They are marketed to everyone. Being a fan of a child star, does not make you a pedo. I think from the western perspective, we are quick to assume that idolization is sexual in some way. It isn't always. I'd say it usually isn't, but our culture is acutely aware of the dark side and we tend to see that first as a measure to protect children. I think even in the beginning, he admired her, but didn't necessarily desire her. And as he got to know her, he respected her. He got very close to the line and it was uncomfortable, but I don't think he crossed it.
Alice Lapin
2023-04-19 14:14:27 +0000 UTCI'm glad y'all watched this because if I had to watch it myself I wouldn't have stayed to the end
Lupikus
2023-04-19 13:58:01 +0000 UTCYesss, I would love for them to watch Gundam WfM
Kayden
2023-04-19 13:22:27 +0000 UTCI think they should check out Heavenly Delusion
Icy
2023-04-19 12:47:18 +0000 UTCThe Doctor didn't seem too over the top obsessed gross to me, but the fact of him being a fan at all, or even KNOWING of her, and wanting to do her ultrasound and delivery (which would involve seeing and touching her vaginal area) and just didn't care about that blatant conflict of interest is what made me uncomfortable. Especially her being 16. Also Ruby's breastfeeding thing was weird.
zimXzombie
2023-04-19 12:23:09 +0000 UTCOmg anime reaction on this channel?! HOW COOL! I'll definitely have to recommend checking out Trigun Stampede! 12 episodes of absolute greatness, ending with a bang! It's like a whole movie with how cinematic it is.
Rowny Rena
2023-04-19 09:42:17 +0000 UTCW-take.
Taka Uchiha
2023-04-19 09:40:33 +0000 UTCWell its not an excuse it's a fact. These drawning aren't real people and shouldn't be treated as such, the only thing real is the topic/themes this anime or any anime uses to convey the author's message. The moment one starts to think like that is already stepping into the world of delusion. If you or anyone has gotten to that point you need to disconnect from the internet asap and seek therapy. Yeah grown adults made these stories and other adults worked on the animations but it cleary isn't marketed towards children like beyblade or pokemon. It's clearly meant for teens, young adults, and adults.
Kalla
2023-04-19 09:30:47 +0000 UTCI get that but that just naturally comes with people liking a form of entertainment. What fan doesn't get overjoyed at seeing their #1 favorite celebrity or even the children of that celebrity on screen irregardless of their personal age? I mean look at American celebrities for prime example. The general public is tuned in onto what bs celebrities got going on in their lives because they want us to see it which is bizarre. I'm not arguing just pointing out the retrospective view of the natural relationship between entertainers, their fans, and the system it plays by.
Kalla
2023-04-19 09:20:07 +0000 UTCAlso, giving the excuse that it's not real cause it's animation... never makes sense to me.. because adults with adult minds and bodies are creating said animations...
Ben Asay
2023-04-19 09:05:27 +0000 UTCI found the doctor to be creepy. Being that obsessed with a teenager celebrity.. at that age is just weird, and creepy. Even with thr cultural differences, it's still out of pocket. Not trying to argue with you, just saying 😅
Ben Asay
2023-04-19 09:03:29 +0000 UTCGet through the first 15 or so mins it made me uncomfortable too
Ben Asay
2023-04-19 08:58:04 +0000 UTCI’m gonna be honest I couldn’t finish the reaction. I might circle back later to try but I just felt really uncomfortable.
MMdock
2023-04-19 08:42:59 +0000 UTCWelcome to the wild west that is the Entertainment Industry
Alius
2023-04-19 08:10:15 +0000 UTCThis is a legit let them cook anime
Kaleb Daub
2023-04-19 07:50:52 +0000 UTCI would try giving Witch from Mercury a try as well. Don't need to know anything about the previous Gundam series to enjoy it. Make sure to watch the prologue first. Love the reaction though. I do agree that changing the beginning would have made it less creepy than it was. Still a great watch though.
BlahBlahman
2023-04-19 07:27:37 +0000 UTCI don't find the begining uncomfortable because it doesn't give me the vibe he is trying to approach anything with her as he only promises to deliver her baby's and even as a baby himself he just enjoys being pampered but later on you don't see him be pampered as much and it's more ruby. But I can understand it being uncomfortable to me in comparison to mushoku tensei well yeah this isn't a big deal to me. I'm not gonna call a shitstorm just because somebody is uncomfortable, my only issue is when for example like in mushoku tensei when people are uncomfortable and then try to ppush that on you or condemm you saying you should feel the same way over fiction or you are weird.
Angelo
2023-04-19 06:43:29 +0000 UTCNo way! I hoped u guys would do a react to it but thought u wouldnt. Thank u so much for that <3
S1LΣnt_N1ko
2023-04-19 06:29:23 +0000 UTCThe comment war will soon be upon us, so I'll say my peace and dip. I understand ur discomfort and criticisms of the beginning. Me, personally, didn't find anything in the beginning wierd or discomforting because... One: I understand that this media isn't made for the western audience (a story like this wouldn't dare to be written in the US of today or anywhere else in the western hemisphere). Two: The reason for the story setting revolving around underage characters (like yall said in ur discussion). Three: It's a animated show and not a live action fictional work with a real pregnant 16yr old or talking reincarnated babies or a super fan doctor if it was then i wouldn't have watched it. Four: And finally because the doctor didn't come off to me as creepy. I simply saw him as a fan but thank god he wasn't drooling at the mouth every time he was in Ai's presence. Now that would've been crazy. I guess it's just me, but once you've come to realize that 99.99% of anime characters are underage then rarely if anything becomes really distasteful for you unless it clicks to you personally. The only thing disturbing to me was the crazy fan lingering in the background + Ai's sudden death and the overall topic of the extreme pairasocial sphere of idol culture. If anyone here has been seeing those japanese vtuber idol fans drama then yall know how wicked it gets. To me, this is a fiction work vs real life topic. Anyway I enjoyed the sudden upload and reaction. That's my take.
Kalla
2023-04-19 06:29:04 +0000 UTCif possible do you think you guys can react to the batman 2004 animated series its on hbo max when you guys have time
RedAlphaWolf808
2023-04-19 05:57:03 +0000 UTCYou guys are in the right to be uncomfortable. I ended up liking Oshi no Ko, but I was also hella uncomfortable in the beginning. I'm glad I powered through the few uncomfortable chapters of the manga until it got good but I agree. I do wish the doctor's backstory was changed a bit. And the way Ruby initially acted when she was a baby was very uncomfortable, too, even though she had a rough previous life and died at 12. The idol and fan culture is SO disturbing, no matter where it is; there are A LOT of disturbing adult fans everywhere and the parasocial relationships is like...bro. Snap out of it. This anime shows how ugly the entertainment industry is (in Japan), and the story will show various faces and experiences through different forms of entertainment and the complications of trying to survive in the industry. And of course, we have the mystery of Ai's death. It's pretty interesting yet so stressful. I look forward to watching your reactions and thoughts on the next episode!
Rem
2023-04-19 05:35:22 +0000 UTCIf yall liked this you might like saga of Tanya the evil.
TrixieTurner
2023-04-19 05:21:05 +0000 UTCIt's not uncommon for doctors to hold onto one of their first tines losing a patient especially one so young. That's the kind of thing that shapes you, it really sticks with you
TrixieTurner
2023-04-19 05:18:04 +0000 UTC100% agree with opinions. I was thinking within the first 20-30 minutes of the show “this can’t be it” and “this is hard to watch”. I came in hearing people calling it the best ever, it wasn’t that, but I was so confused at the start. In the end I am hooked, but that was not a masterpiece.
Peacefinder Simply
2023-04-19 05:02:43 +0000 UTCI would love to see y'all react to Kaguya sama especially with the movie out and everything
Molly McDougal
2023-04-19 04:56:52 +0000 UTCKikyo/Kagome from InuYasha had a reincarnation like 500 years after death
zimXzombie
2023-04-19 04:38:33 +0000 UTCKAGUYA SAMA MOVIE REACTIONNNN
TheCeoOfAnime
2023-04-19 04:38:02 +0000 UTCKonosuba
Pickle
2023-04-19 04:37:56 +0000 UTCTHIS
Cogfather
2023-04-19 04:37:12 +0000 UTCI would love to see a Kaguya Sama reaction from you guys
Vansu
2023-04-19 04:24:33 +0000 UTCif you guys wanna neat look at idol culture to the extreme, Perfect Blue would be a good pick for a movie reaction. There is some p triggering content in it tho
Harry Branch
2023-04-19 04:07:14 +0000 UTCcan't wait!
Sincerely, the Best.
2023-04-19 03:47:18 +0000 UTCI will say while I understand the discomfort at the beginning, he's definitely one of the mildest portrayals of an adult idol fan I've seen in anime and in real life. Idol fans are wild, I was hugely into kpop when I was in middle and high school and I saw some pretty intense stalkers and parasocial relationships
Liliana Jimenez
2023-04-19 03:46:11 +0000 UTCThis is just my own personal opinion, and maybe the author didn't have this intention idk, but I always took him telling Sarina he would consider marrying her after she turns 16 as him not being serious. To me, it seems more of a way of him giving her some kind of hope that she'll make it to that age, hence why she kind of sighs and looks sad when she repeats him. The way he talks to the patients is reminiscent of how some of the docs I work with talk to some of the patients we've had where I work in the pediatric ICU. Lol I paused right before she died to write this and then you guys basically ended up saying the same thing about this instance
Liliana Jimenez
2023-04-19 03:35:38 +0000 UTCOur bad I screwed up the audio on this. Re-exporting one with louder show volume and will update it as soon as its done. Its a long video so it may take a bit to upload but it'll be up probably within an hour to an hour and a half
Nani no Anime
2023-04-19 03:30:14 +0000 UTCAlso totally get why yall are weirded out at first all of us were it's just cause 16 is legal in Japan but it doesn't have to feel right still don't.
Rixxze_
2023-04-19 03:28:31 +0000 UTCLet's go so glad u got bullied into it
Rixxze_
2023-04-19 03:11:57 +0000 UTCOh let's fucking go boys
the bard
2023-04-19 03:10:50 +0000 UTCI just keep winning holy shit
Harry Branch
2023-04-19 03:10:23 +0000 UTC
