Jack & Jill - Phase 8, Part 19
Added 2023-04-17 09:03:20 +0000 UTCUnexpected emotions rise as Ryan grapples with his new reality and Jill's unwavering determination to save them both.
Alright! We've got 20 new pages as we dive further into the emotional rollercoaster of Jill and Ryan's newfound...something. Prepare for heart-to-heart conversations, twists, and acts of defiance!
I can't wait to hear your thoughts. π
P.S. I'm proud of the art in this episode! π
Comments
Hello! I am back from my hiatus, and what a re-entry. I really enjoyed this. Its very real (other than the obvious part about it not being at all even a little bit real). Much enjoyed!
Jessica Thence
2024-11-29 22:05:47 +0000 UTCDo you mean because Joey might have successfully smuggled out the video of Jack to his sister? It's possible! However, I imagine even that wouldn't have caused much of a change. Emily would know for certain that Jack had been captured, but she'd still be unable to help him. π’
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-21 17:13:35 +0000 UTCThe Second Dawn is monstrous and unredeemable, Ckyarya!!! Just looking at Xu, Davis, Kaschak and no doubt others makes me ill. But that is what will make its fall and the recovery and recuperation of...ALL...their "toys" all more satisfying. The Second Dawn cannot endure forever, for the simple reason that sooner or later someone will have a twinge of conscience that proves stronger than their greed. Look at Joey/Josie. If Jack/Jill hadn't broken Joey's nose, than the Second Dawn would've fallen then and there. Emory, my muse, Ckyarya, tell me if I'm wrong, please.
Female-Bosmer-Always
2023-04-21 11:09:08 +0000 UTCThank you so much, Stacy!!! π I love creating a great "shot" with my tools.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-21 04:33:38 +0000 UTCU should be proud, the art is fabulous in this, luv the way u r using the light and the shadows :-) x
stacy C
2023-04-21 00:30:42 +0000 UTCOh, Fin! π Although I'm sure Jessica Rabbit would give Jill a run for her money.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-20 06:40:09 +0000 UTCOh, ckyarya! Thank you so much for taking the time to articulate your thoughts. I really do my best to keep my stories somewhat grounded and to present a more nuanced and complex view of the characters and situations they find themselves in. I agree with your analysis! The changes they go through should illicit an array of reactions, and not all of them will be content to accept their new reality. There are some who can adapt and some who cannot. Both are useful to Second Dawn for different reasons. Those who are still "trapped" in their new bodies are best as the so-called toys for the wealthy patrons who desire someone to control and overpower. Those who adapt, like Jill and Holly, become useful in other ways such as recruiting and training, or as mistresses / wives for clients who are looking for a more "complete" partner. In the end, Xu himself is more interested in the psychological aspects of these transformations than the biological. He seems deeply invested in what makes a man a man and a woman a woman, and how easily these boundaries can be blurred, exploited, and even erased. With Jill, he has finally found someone who not only managed to adapt to her new reality but also managed to grow stronger in the process. This makes her a fascinating subject for him to study, and perhaps even to be molded into something he deems more valuable for Second Dawn.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-20 06:36:00 +0000 UTCAaaa! Nina, I'm so glad you enjoyed the mug! π I couldn't help myself. π And thank you for sharing your thoughts on the psychological aspects of Jill and Ryan's reactions to their situations. You're absolutely right about the "fight or flight" symbolism. For me, it's fascinating to delve into how different human psyches respond to captivity and change. Nobody (I hope) can fault Ryan for his terrified, violent reaction to what Second Dawn did to him. Jill, on the other hand, has tried to adapt and find an inner strength that allows her to cope and make the best of her situation. But Jill is the exception. Indeed, she's the exception of the exceptions, which is one of the reasons Xu has such a keen interest in her. Not only has she "adapted," but she's shown a level of resilience and growth that is truly remarkable. Unfortunately, it would seem Jill has come to a similar conclusion as you have. Xu has her, because she truly cares. Now, if she takes up Holly's role, that means she'll still be able to leave the island at will for *ahem* recruitment purposes. But freedom may indeed be out of reach if Xu has his way.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-20 06:20:27 +0000 UTCWhat I'm about to lay out are generalizations of the whole literary genre, comics, etc. of feminization, forced feminization, crossdressing, tg/tf... from both authors and readers, so I hope no one takes this for granted. I think a vast majority of these stories fall into the simplicity of the feminized male = male nymphomaniac female argument. Automatically that feminized man, forced or not, reluctant or not, realistically or magically, by sci-fi or by hormones... puts on breast prostheses or develops breasts, puts on a dress or a skirt or simple panties and stockings... becomes addicted and desirous of sex with men. By that rule of three, lesbians would not exist, since irremediably having breasts and vagina could only like men and likewise gay men would not exist either, since by that reasoning they could only like women WTF? I think we'll all agree that mathematical rule is fucking garbage. And yes, I know I'm generalizing and being very simplistic in my argument above, but really, let's stop for a moment and think about what is published about this genre, am I deviating too much from reality? I don't think so. What's the point of this rant, you may be wondering, those of you who are still reading? I've been reading some comments for a while now, both in this and other forums, and I need to get this out of my head. I think Emory makes a mind-blowing effort to keep her stories as realistic as possible, very "fucked up" and extreme situations, trying to give all her characters great depth and complexity. No black and white, no absolute good guys and bad guys. Both in her stories and in her characters there are many grays, which I love (very G.R.R. Martin).π On the other hand, reading all the comments (which I enjoy, the more the better), including mine, I think that many times we sin of "simplicity" and of wanting to "take the pot to our fire". What I mean is that these stories are about FORCED feminization, involving, kidnapping, torture, ruin, abandonment of their families, blackmail, murder, etc. These are people who did NOT want to be transformed, changed, transitioned, whatever you want to call it. They are people who, in their vast majority, were happy and content with their bodies, their gender and their sexuality. And the vast majority of these people are being forced to be mere sex toys or slaves of cruel, psychopathic and perverted people. So attitudes like Nikki's, Ryan's, Adam's... are the "normal", the "weird" ones are Jill, Holly, Sandy, Angela, Janelle, Josie.... (This phrase would have to be nuanced a lot, I know). I understand that we each have our tastes, preferences, etc. but fuck let's try to put ourselves in the shoes of Emory's characters, they have all been feminized by force, against their will so the vast majority of them did not suffer from dysphoria before being forced to change, on the contrary, because of that change is when they are suffering from that dysphoria. Likewise, most of these characters had their sexual preferences clear, so it is very difficult for me to "believe" and even more so, when they are being forced and even forced and raped to have sex with people of the sex which is not their preference, to suddenly change it. There has to be "something else" for this to happen. Emory in her stories gives us that "something more", that background, so that we can understand that change, but not all the characters have that "something more" and not for that reason they are more or less good or bad -and she has a high percentage of those in spite of me hehehe-.π I know I left a lot of things out, as I said at the beginning I was going to talk about generalities, I don't want to go more into detail because I think I've already gone too far for a simple comment. PS: Sorry Emory if the comment is out of place, but I thought it was interesting and I had been wanting to do it for a long time.π PS2: Sorry if I mess up with the pronouns, but I don't do it intentionally, I use an online translator, I write in Spanish and then copy the translation and try to be careful to make it as clear as possible, but the pronouns from Spanish to English and vice versa is a real headache. I think I have corrected what was wrong. Sorry about that!
ckarya
2023-04-19 09:43:40 +0000 UTCAbsolutely love love LOVE the mug!!! Iβm sure Alyson is obsessed hahahaha!! Dorley canon in Emory world????? Grandmother is just a second dawn sponsor π As for the story, this chapter really shows the two reactions a human psyche can have to torture and captivity. By all means everyone on second dawn goes through cruel and unusual punishment and Jillβs reaction to it is self preservation whil Ryanβs is self destruction. Both are almost symbolic of the natural fight or flight reaction honestly. Very interesting how you weave that into this story. Love the way Jill has her outlook seeing as sheβs slightly lucky with her freedoms. Ryan is definitely suffering from severe PTSD and trauma so iβm interested to see how this plays out. I still fully believe that Jill is going to refuse a savior for Ryan and other prisoners to go free unfortunately. Our girl is forever Second dawnβs :( Maybe sheβll get out and meet up with Nikki and Sandy eventually :D
Nina
2023-04-19 03:33:41 +0000 UTC"Hello Jill. Yes, I did it, Jessica Rabbit and I are getting divorced. No, really, I swear it's the truth this time! I want to commit to you fully, as you deserve. I love you baby..."
findesiecle
2023-04-19 01:05:00 +0000 UTCPelican, thank you so much! It truly means a lot to me. Jill has indeed come a long way on her journey, learning so much about herself and developing inner strength and empathy. I imagine "Jack" from the beginning would never have guessed how much growth was ahead of him. Especially in certain *ahem* areas. π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:45:32 +0000 UTCAw, thank you, Gemma! Yes, that is much of what "Phase 9" will be about as the Coming Out dinner.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:43:11 +0000 UTCThank you, Arte!!! I'm always looking for new tricks.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:41:59 +0000 UTCShe looks amazing in almost anything. Lucky girl! π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:40:54 +0000 UTCTiki, that's a fascinating alternative reality idea! I love how you've thought about the different ways Jack/Pre-Jill's journey might have developed if he had initially escaped from Second Dawn. Having Madison become entangled in the plot and tricking Jack/Pre-Jill would certainly add an intriguing twist!
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:40:45 +0000 UTCTiki, you're absolutely spot on! Jill's journey is about embracing her inner strength and evolving as a person throughout her transformations. π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:39:37 +0000 UTCExactly, Tiki! Jill's journey and her experiences have led her to recognize that beauty and strength come from within, no matter the external changes. She's doing her best to help Ryan see that perspective, too. It'll be a hard battle, though! π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:33:18 +0000 UTCTiki, thank you for your thoughtful words! I'm really glad that this chapter resonated with you! β€οΈ
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:32:28 +0000 UTCElla, you just made my day! Again! π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:30:56 +0000 UTCThank you so much! I'm thrilled you're loving the story. π₯°
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:30:21 +0000 UTCMaggie! Hahaha, your enthusiasm is infectious! β€οΈ Thank you so much for the compliments on the art! I promise I don't have a stage plan and actors β it's all created with my computer and an unhealthy amount of caffeine intake! π
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:29:31 +0000 UTCAlex, I adore that description of Jill! A Valkyrie indeed! π‘οΈβοΈπΌ That Halloween Pin-up costume was a favorite of mine too! It really represented the inner strength of Jill.
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-18 18:27:54 +0000 UTC"Holding on to what define us" without loosing your humanity'. You just have to love Jill. This whole experience have taught her to really do some serious soul searching and undoubtedly has matured more than she ever could've imagined. The self-control and patience she's displaying with Ryan can only come from someone capable of compassion and empathy as well as selflessness. E, you're amazing!
Pelicanboss
2023-04-18 00:02:45 +0000 UTCThanks for the clarification. I am always drawn to shifts protagonists new status and role that now define how they are seen by others that they are forced to experience. Again I would like to acknowledge and say how blown away by your creative story telling and plot twists.
Gemma
2023-04-17 22:37:42 +0000 UTCDonβt worry, Gemma β theyβre coming! As she mentioned, sheβs still scared about what the world will think of βherβ once sheβs out in front of other people. A huge part of her comfort comes from the fact that everyone who she encounters daily knows who she was / that she was forced into this. That will change and her dysphoria may rear its head again in a rather fierce fashion!
Emory Ahlberg
2023-04-17 22:19:07 +0000 UTCGreat story. I wish Jill was a little more defiant and had some remaining dysphoria re limitations around his/her female body and old male desires
Gemma
2023-04-17 22:06:59 +0000 UTCSo incredible how you keep getting better!
Artemesia
2023-04-17 18:28:33 +0000 UTCJill looks sexy and beautiful in her grey top and blue jeans.
Tiki D
2023-04-17 15:05:08 +0000 UTCI got an idea for another alternative reality story. What if Jack/Pre-Jill did escape from Chapter 3 without Xu and his forces to stop him/her. He/She would take their boat and made it to the mainland. It would be difficult for Jack/Pre-Jill to adapt outside the mainland due to guys trying hit him/her, but run away due to her talking like a guy. Tries to hit on girls, Jack/Pre-Jill would find him/her weird, not just their voice, mannerisms, and body, but some would leave or lesbians would try to have sex him/her , but would find it uncomfortable. Jack would eventually find Madison ((ex-girlfriend) unaware that she for works for Xu in this timeline). At first, she would find it strange for her former boyfriend has a woman body, but sees that he needs help and goes to Madison's house. Since Madison as connections to Xu, He would used this to his advantage by puppeteering Jack/Pre-Jill self-discovery by sending Holly to Madison's location assist his transition from man and woman sort of like a Girls Night Out. Then he would have of his special doctors, besides Mason, trick him to think he could go back to being his male self, but reinforce Jack's body structure to full female, both face, body, and mind (psychology reeducation of female mind) which Jack's mind would be surpress within the mind of Jill. Jill, once released, would have some of her formal life, but only a speck of Jack's screaming from within. Jill would experience headaches, but struggs it off and returns to the island with Holly and waves bye to her BFF Madison. She and Holly return to island to prepare for the dinner. (I manage to re imagine Chapters 3(After the shower with Mason and meeting Xu for the first time in his office), 4,5,6 and 7 (combine) (Holly's tale(Madison, who takes on a twist of Mason's role, that Jack thinks that she going help him escape, but Xu already got to her. She and Holly team-up to "help" Jack enbrace be a woman, Jill. As well as taking Jack to Xu's speical doctors) From the makeover and female training to Jill's mainland chapters (unlike those chapters, Jill would embrace her inner woman instead of have second thoughts in her head). Mason and Emily would had trouble finding Jack/Jill. They would learn from Janelle, who told Emily that Jack has changed, but would not Emily from save him.
Tiki D
2023-04-17 15:03:36 +0000 UTCAlso, this chapter has a lot of call back from Jill's handlers of Mason and Holly. Jack was trying to remain strong , but his mannerisms were changing, not just because of Mason's sex change formula, rather a stronger, beautiful, smart person being born within as well as outer. Jack/Pre-Jill was about to inject Mason with the formula, but someone from within stop him from doing it. Despite Mason being partly responsible for his/her condition as well as others, Pre-Jill within Jack saw something within Mason not just his muscles in the shower, but a person who treats him/her like one despite her condition. Holly made Jack/Pre-Jill bloom beautiful as a man within the woman by embracing the female psychology with their minds, not just body.
Tiki D
2023-04-17 13:43:09 +0000 UTCJill really brings it home to Ryan not to let Second Dawn define what being beauty with in youself, but seeing the man within the woman and not the other way around.
Tiki D
2023-04-17 13:09:09 +0000 UTCThis chapter is about incredible and beautiful based on reflecting and confronting the past to present of Jill's to aid Ryan's future.
Tiki D
2023-04-17 13:04:48 +0000 UTCIβll just say that you're an incredible storyteller, Emory! Fantastic chapter, not that's a surprise!
Ella Cherry
2023-04-17 12:29:40 +0000 UTCThat was an incredible episode!! I love how this is going
Kirsten Roberts
2023-04-17 11:43:00 +0000 UTCDamn right Jill... β£οΈβ£οΈβ£οΈRyan WAKE UP !!!!!!!! Don't let them win by overpowering you in that basement shit hole... Join me and together we will rule all the gala......... cough cough I mean we will rule this island and set us free,,, :) (YEAH.... Vader vibes but those good ones hahahahaha) Emory... your pics you're posting are not photos right? you do not have stage plan and actors working for you... (OMG JILL IS A BLONDE GODDESS β£οΈβ£οΈβ£οΈ) and Ryan is also in top league as well ;) P.S. Ryan... I can feel you anger... the force is strong in you... join me and together we will show XU where his place is in Outer Rims... muahahahaha :} P.S. 2 that burger is real for sure... I can smell it β£οΈβ£οΈβ£οΈ
Maggie Heels
2023-04-17 10:59:11 +0000 UTCJill is an absolute angel, Emory. A Valkyrie like her Halloween Pin-up costume. Valkyries choose who lives and who dies and I would love to see future victorious Jill along with Holly, Ryan and all the others passing their dreadful and well-deserved judgement on the Second Dawn.
Alex From the Tri-Cities
2023-04-17 09:36:37 +0000 UTCAlso holy SHIT the art quality in this episode! How do you keep doing this? I already know you donβt sleep, but that could account for maybe half of this level of quality; do you have a time machine?
Alyson Greaves
2023-04-17 09:30:19 +0000 UTCReading this while sleepily drinking my morning coffee and I have but three reactions thus far: 1) Man, Ryan has a lot of shit to unpack. And not just about himself. Seeing a bit of a misogynist in there. Is that one of the reasons he canβt adapt? 2) Go Jill! Yeah, Jill! 3) *pointing at the screen* MUG!!
Alyson Greaves
2023-04-17 09:25:18 +0000 UTC
