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I dont mind the Harry Potter references, as long as you realize Harry Potter stole from LOTR, not the other way around.

James Kollmar

Mam this was so great. This was so far ahead of its time when it came out and it is a movie that will truly transcend time. I wouldn't say Boromir was weak. He's simply human and 99.9% of humans can't resist the ring. Aragon is just that special that he can. The final battle in this was so well done. The best part was when the the orc threw that knife at Aragon. That was an actual knife bro. No stunt double. Vigo Mortensen batted it away with his sword perfectly. The sword trainer that worked with him said he's one of the best he's ever trained and was a true natural. Sam and Frodo's relationship is very special. Not everyday you get a friend like Sam. On to the next.

Andrew Clifton

You have such fascinating knowledge to the film industry and photography! Please keep adding that so we gain your insights. For me it changed some of how I see certain scenes. I wonder to the elven forest the glowing highlights were meant to show the Star that the elves gain their power from?

Mr Kitty

And no romance!

Mimi Hagan

From what I heard, there was a renowned elf warrior that asked Galadriel for a strand of her hair multiple times but she always refused. To give Gimili 3 is incredibly special and I think that's why Legolas smiled after Gimili told him (especially with them always at each others necks prior to that)

camzi11a

Joined for you doing LOTR and for doing the extended edition. Only way to watch. TY for realizing Harry Potter was written almost 50 years after JJR Tolkien wrote the LOTR series. A lot of the lore and background comes from all his other works so don't get disheartened if you don't understand it all. Like you thought it was wired with the lighting with the Elves, stylistic choice yes but Peter Jackson made special lights for galadriel so it would appear as though her eyes reflected the light of the Two Trees as she is the oldest person in Middle Earth to have still seen the light of Valinor (where the gods live and elves came from). Gimli getting her hair was a huge deal!!! As the dwarves and elves do not fuck with each other, also gotta love Boromir dude and his redemption c'mon now

Charlie Hinnant

Forgot to mention... It was an eagle who saved Gandalf from that tower in part 1. In the books the eagles are more prominent and play a greater role. Gandalf is their friend. And Gandalf can communicate with various other wildlife, like that moth. The eagles are more sentient and are very wise.

Tron

I’ve come across some of the behind-the-scenes stories on YouTube. How Viggo Mortensen, who hadn’t read Tolkien, was persuaded by his son, who had not only read all of the books but was impressed that someone wanted his dad to play Aragorn; how the children who played the Hobbits’ body doubles were befriended by the actors they each played, and hung out with them learning to emulate gestures and body language; how the films became the single largest employer in New Zealand for the eight years or so that it took to complete them; and how Peter Jackson, knowing that the financial bigwigs would push for a premier in London or Hollywood, simply made a public announcement that the premier of the third film would be in New Zealand. So much love went into making these films. There are movies that look like money, and movies that feel as if the money wasn’t all that mattered. That’s the case with this trilogy.

Susan B

Its more about lots being insanely boring.

Ashley

A lot of people get discouraged by thick books with big words. Don’t let shame weigh you down.

Susan B

The ring would have corrupted all the others one after another. The reason Boromir was the first, is because he was the most desperate. It's easy to read him as less complex than he is the first time around, but once you've seen the third movie you understand what he meant about his people keeping the rest of the West safe. They're the ones fighting and dying, and his need for the ring stems from his need to protect his people. If he cared less, he wouldn't have been so easily corrupted. Definitively my favourite character in the story, although there are so many others that we haven't even met yet. PS -- I REALLY think you'd enjoy all the making-of documentaries they have on the extended DVD sets if you can get your hands on those. They go through every step of production and the methods they used. Even to someone like me who doesn't know shit about film-making, it's fascinating.

Teth

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Alicia Hauskins

There may not be a ton if romance... but the bromance is unrivaled.

Alicia Hauskins

Another nod to LOTR in Game of Thrones is Arya’s determation to leave everything familiar and head West. Galadriel and the elves talk about leaving all they have built for themselves in Middle Earth and going “into the West” by ship. There’s even an Oscar-winning song over the closing credits of the third film called “Into the West,” performed and co-written for LOTR by Annie Lennox. Maybe Galadriel and Arya will bump into each other in the West. I hope Arya doesn’t decide to take her face. 😃

Susan B

Lol that’s always my response when someone online asks why didn’t they just take the eagles? It like well he did tell them to fly they just chose not to listen. 🤣 too funny

Kyle Komperda

👍 I enjoy hearing about the different filters etc. Strangely enough, though, I kind of miss knowing there was a helicopter involved in those vast establishing shots. To me it always meant that a cinematographer and a pilot were having a fabulous time.

Susan B

Not yet, I'm planning to do a video to show my equipment soon

Lenear Boyd

Not only people took "some amount" of Tolkien's work, he literally is the one that created what we know as orcs, elves and more ^^

Marcin Wolski

The Hobbit trilogy should have been one movie, as The Hobbit was one not-very-long children’s book. That it became a trilogy, with scripts being handed to actors on the day of a shoot, and with a ton of obvious CGI, reflects a level of greed worthy of a Tolkien villain. Even Peter Jackson didn’t want to be involved with that committee. He agreed only to keep the jobs in New Zealand. The Amazon prequel project, Rings of Power, looks like money but is so badly written it screams fan fiction. /rant

Susan B

He’s called “a walking spoiler.” 😎

Susan B

A wonderful character. Warrior-poet, unafraid to show tenderness and affection and grief.

Susan B

Yes! And Viggo Mortensen was brought in to replace another actor whom Peter Jackson just wasn’t finding right for the role. Viggo brings so much of himself to these films. He’s a poet, so he appreciates the softer intellectual side of Aragorn, who could too easily have been played as just an action hero.

Susan B

Mr Boyd, is there a video where you talk about your film background?

Susan B

RoP is basically fan fiction🤣

gak9319

If you're wondering where Bilbo got the ring, that's explained in The Hobbit. The Lord of the Rings changed next to nothing from the books. In fact, they had to leave a bunch of stuff Out otherwise these movies would've lasted several Days. The Hobbit movies, they changed some stuff, added here and there, fans are.... divided. The Rings of Power series, other than some names and a handful of other things it was all Invented for the show specifically because the Tolkien estate refused to option the rights to The Silmarillion.

Molly McAllister

Season Bean (Boromir) was also in national treasure! Great movie

Ian O’Brien

A non-spoilery bit of background on Gandalf from the books: his particular wizardly power at the start is to kind of get into people’s minds and influence their thinking, or more often to help clarify confused and errant thought. He doesn’t do mind control, although with a weak mind he likely could; he just nudges a person’s thoughts and choices in the direction they should go. I bring this up because I’ve watched these films with friends who say, “He’s a wizard, why doesn’t he use magic” to solve some problem or other. He does use magic, but his skills are mostly about helping people reject poor choices. Think of him as the Horse Whisperer, but with people. When he confronts the Balrog at the bridge, it isn’t in Gandalf’s power to simply zap the demon to smithereens with some magic spell; what we see him doing instead is trying to get into the Balrog’s mind: “You cannot pass” would have made a weaker creature think “I’m unable to pass.” That’s how Gandalf’s mind-magic works, when it works. With the Balrog, Gandalf has to try harder. He reachs deeper, summons more of his own limited supply of supernatural power, finally shouting “You shall not pass!” while using his magic to weaken the bridge. Gandalf is capable of feeling exhaustion after using his magic. So he holds it in reserve until he has no choice.

Susan B

I'm not a fish.

Ashley

But when he dies, he dies memorably.

Susan B

Truth. Tolkien was Lord of the Nerds, a brilliant man whose writings, published and otherwise, reflect an obsessive devotion to what fantasy people call “world building.” He didn’t just build his world. He had an origin story for every piece of it.

Susan B

Obvious bait is obvious.

Molly McAllister

Sean's character in that series, Richard Sharpe, did SO well in that series some accused him of being a 'Mary Sue'... in response Sean Bean supposedly has a stipulation in all of his contracts now that whichever character he plays in any movie or series going forward Must die before the conclusion.

Molly McAllister

This was the first movie to believably generate hordes of CGI characters fighting, with different battles in-between. It was a huge achievement. They used what they learned on this movie to make the giant sentinels fight scene in Matrix Revolutions. Everything else in this movie (and trilogy) is tried to be done with practical effects, on location, and with sets as much as possible for more realism. Also the world was created because Tolkien's homeland didn't have a big legend or Mythos to call their own, so he created one. He made all the languages, and many maps and pictures in the books. (some are used in this movie as well) Definitely influenced the Fantasy genre of all movies we have seen in our lifetime. Games as well.

Triforce of Shadows

Okay, so what seems to be happening is that you've seen two things. Harry Potter, which exists in a genre rife with tropes, and Lord of the Rings, a work that spawned that genre. Tolkien's books inspired what became D&D, which took those tropes and further solidified them. Creating distinct definitions to many of these tropes. Your unfamiliarity with these tropes has you seeing what's the same and not what's different. Scrying devices like a pool of water/liquid, or crystal ball or a hand mirror are all common, and prob'ly mundane to any group with strong magic. Like a train heist, in a western, these are just integral to their respective genres. I've noticed that in a world of magic, you don't seem to alter your understanding of the rules of what's possible or makes sense in a particular scenario, to account for the context of the world. Not that this is surprising considering you started with Harry Potter. As much as I enjoyed the story, most of the tropes were shoehorned in pretty hard, with no respect to continuity. Tolkien was FAR more meticulous. That said, this translates to a lot of things that have reasons they make sense, but those reasons are lost in translation to screenplay. In fact Tolkien studied at Exeter College, Oxford, where he specialized in philology, which is the study of languages and their historical development. He earned a degree in English language and literature. That said, he actually created the elvish language. You can learn it.

Mike Elder

There are other dwarven cities in other dwarven mountains. fly (v.2) "run away," Old English fleon, flion "fly from, avoid, escape;" essentially a variant spelling of flee (q.v.). In Old English, this verb and fleogan "soar through the air with wings" (modern fly (v.1)) differed only in their present tense forms and often were confused, then as now. In some Middle English dialects they seem to have merged completely. Distinguished from one another since 14c. in the past tense: flew for fly (v.1), fled for fly (v.2).

Mike Elder

I agree with you, thievery is a very strong word. If people really want to throw around that word I would point out Tolkein stole from other stories at the time. Beowulf is one, nearly all the magical creatures in lotr came from that story. The fellowship is based off of King Arthur and the knights of the round table. Two groups of adventurers on a quest because of a magical item. Difference being one seeks to destroy it, and the other is looking for it. Point is, useless it's an outright plagiarize story, as in everything is the same just names and places are different, stop saying Rowling stole from lotr.

Alejandro Rosiles

THANK YOU! I looked through the comments looking for someone to say that. Rowling didn't steal from Tolkien, she was inspired by, and used storytelling elements similar to lotr. But to say she outright stole it is wrong, because the story of the boy who lived IS different from the story of the ring bearer.

Alejandro Rosiles

If you want to see Sean Bean in his ace you should check out the Sharpe movies, it's set during the Napoleonic wars😁

gak9319

I'm so happy that you're loving this story my dude, and very excited to see your reaction to the rest of the trilogy! As a humongous fan of both LOTR and Potter I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing the two, as long as LOTR is acknowledged as the original fantasy epic from which Potter and others have been built from. Thievery is a strong word to describe it however. Artists have always influenced the work of other artists, and fantasy world-building/storytelling are no different than painting, sculpting, or music in that regard.

Zach Greenleaf

I wonder if letting Frodo and the fate of the Ring go on without him wasn’t the hardest choice of Aragorn’s life. He passed one test when Frodo held out the Ring to him, but he felt its pull and understood that he, Gimli and Legolas might not always find the strength to refuse the Ring. So he lets Frodo and Sam go alone on a quest whose failure could destroy everyone

Susan B

I'm not sure what your project manager is smoking, but there are a lot of similarities between this and HP. As I've stated before, Rowling borrowed quite a lot from Tolkien🙂

gak9319

“Fly” could also mean “Ask the next moth you find to summon some eagles. Get you to Mordor hella faster than walking.”

Susan B

Truth. Tolkien is like The Beatles of fantasy literature. Even people who think they aren’t fans are often fans of something derived from the original.

Susan B

I like Seen Been. Let’s go with that.

Susan B

The dwarves in Moria led by Gimli's cousin Balin, had only "recently"(50 years or so, dwarves have long lifespans)tried to resettle Moria. It was abandoned because of the Balrog, I guess Balin hoped it was gone🫣 Only thing Gimli knew was that Balin and his group had managed to set up a settlement, no one knew what had happened until the fellowship entered🤓

gak9319

The books that the films are based on didn't. The Lord of the Rings was published in 1954 and the first Harry Potter was published in 1997. That said, everyone draws inspiration from somewhere. Tolkien took a lot of inspiration from old English and Norse mythology among other things. J.K. Rowling took inspiration from a plethora of fantasy and fairy tale traditions.

Camille

Would be a great chose for a reaction. Lots of science and beautiful imagery.

John Dodo

You are actually dealing with JRR Tolkien’s temper tantrum. He wrote TLOTR as one huge book. The publisher crunched the numbers and decided that the book would be too expensive to print, so they forced him to divide it into three parts. So Tolkien just divided the original manuscript into three with no other changes. So, this one had an introduction, but not an ending. Two Towers has no intro or ending, and Return of the King has no beginning, but a great ending.

Mimi Hagan

The Martian. Sean Bean lives in The Martian.

Mimi Hagan

Yes the similarities are there between Harry Potter and lotr but since they came out a month apart I doubt either drew inspiration from the other.

John Dodo

I just listed eight movies where Sean Bean lives, but then I realized that may be spoiling so I deleted it. Yes, Sean Bean lives in a lot of movies.

Annashaki

I'm not the first to say it, but the reason that LotR reminds you of so many different fantasy works, is because it... and by extension, Tolkien... Is the father of modern fantasy. SO many tropes started with these books: 1. The very idea of elves and dwarves. What they look like, where they come from. Their relationship to eachother and men. Even the very word dwarves. The actual correct word is dwarfs. But elves has a v so... 2. The magical Maguffin, and the chosen one(Though admitedly the idea of the hero's journey is much older) 3. The idea of a varied party of adventurers. 4. The SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER 5. The heroic quest to defeat the darf lord. 6. The idea of the wise old wizard. 7. Even the fact of a vaguely medieval setting. It's crazy really. All this world building, because ultimately, a brilliant linguist wanted to create new languages... Elvish. Dwavish. The Black Speech.

Mike MIchelsen

your wife's gonna get mad at you for asking frodo to put that tear into a vial....i see what ur up to lol

Mister_Bleak

Just fyi "In English “to fly” may also mean “to flee” or “to escape”. According to the Online Etymology Dictionary the Old English words Fleogan (“fly [through the air]”) and fleon (“flee”, “escape”) were often confused with each other, so their comingling has continued down to modern literature." That "FLY you fools" always confused me as a teen, especially as a non native speaker. But essentially he just means flee. Also appears in the well known concept of "fight or flight" if you think about it. Certainly this concept doesn't only apply to birds, yet the word flight is used.

Hugobertram Wasenloge

Obvious troll is obvious

Hugobertram Wasenloge

I don't think most people are necessarily angry that you say there are similarities between LOTR and HP. It's that you frame it as LOTR being the one that ripped off HP, instead of the other way around. Like you said "This is so unique!"--Dude, it WAS unique when Tolkien wrote it. It ain't his fault Rowling ripped him off or that you watched HP first. LOTR is, quite literally, the original from which all modern fantasy is derived.

Chapter Eight

He plays a main role and great role in Sharpe. TV Show really old so you get to see a young Sean

Silmoheru Rosaslie

Im sure the other game you were trying to remember was Shadow of Mordor

Huey Lo

cool fact that all three movies were actually filmed all at once, instead of one after the other year after year like most series are now. Also- the lord of the rings trilogy holds the world record for receiving the most awards for a movie!

Jenna96

Basically Tolkien created the genre of modern High Fantasy in which all other works are derived to different degrees from with this work here The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. His influence is immense and still amazing with works still constantly coming out based heavily on his initial templates and forms. Nearly everything with wizards, elves, orcs, goblins, etc etc. Things like Dungeons and Dragons (and everything based on it), etc. Very few people have ever inspired such a massive new genre and derivation of works. I never really compared Harry Potter much to Lord of the Rings but yeah the copied elements are pretty distinct. On one hand all high fantasy/modern fantasy works are in facts derivative of Tolkien's' work, on the other hand yeah you point out that basically the core of the story of Harry Potter, the most critical elements are nearly copy pasted from this lol.

Matthew Langley

also what does that even mean? Master Baiter? like what is that. like Master Debater? this isn't a debate!

Ashley

Director Peter Jackson was best known for low budget indie horror films before he took on LOTR. I’d love to know the story of how he managed to convince not only financial backers but also actors to trust him with this massive undertaking.

Susan B

“It’s over??” we all said in theaters on Christmas Day 2001. And had to wait a full year for the next installment.

Susan B

Something has always bothered me since I first saw Golden Eye when I was a kid. Sean Bean. You gotta pronounce the "EA" differently to say his name correctly, and that really rustles my jimmies. "SHAWN BAWN" or "SEEN BEEN". Both sound dumb, but that kind of logical consistency would really help get me through this life.

Jake Martin

Answering your question: Sean Bean (Boromir/Ned Stark) has been called a “walking spoiler” because he dies in so many movies. There are YouTube collections devoted to Sean Bean movie deaths. I know there are some roles where he lives, but those are usually when his character is not key to the plot. He’s a NASA scientist in The Martian, for example. Nice guy, suit and tie, no swords, no death.

Susan B

Fuck that TERF JK Rowling and fuck Tolkien for writing such a boring trilogy of fantasy books. the fantasy genre is so much better than these two.

Ashley

Sean Bean who plays Boramire “Ned Stark” has many memes out there because he is famous for his character dying in many of the things he’s in lol!

Kyle Komperda

If you haven't already seen it, Sean Bean survives The Martian, and it's a great movie. Win. Win.

Lolilie

FYI, Arwen is Galadriel’s granddaughter.

Susan B

We have found the master baiter

Jakob

The glowy, ethereal sense of the elves in Lothlorien actually has a lore reason behind it. Galadriel is known as the Lady of Light, and is said to have the last of this magical light, light of the two trees of Valinor. (There's a huge mythology behind it but it's not in the movies. There's another book, "the Silmarilion" that tells of the creation of Middle Earth and the first elves, and whatnot, but the rights to that book were never sold to any movie studios and the author's son was adamant that it never be sold)

Pistols O'Brien

now that you are getting trash like LOTR and Harry Potter out of the way I hope you can move on to some actually good stuff.

Ashley

Tell your project manager that HP stole concepts that J.R.R. Tolkien created 100 years ago for Lord of the Rings. Game of Thrones at least gives it an original twist: “What would Tolkien’s fantasy world be like if we introduced the cruel randomness of real-world consequences?” And “What if the some of the worst monsters in our fantasy are the humans?” Which makes GOT an original work that pays respectful homage to LOTR. Harry Potter is simply legal theft with some stuff thrown in for tween girls.

Susan B

OK so Sean bean. Aka Ned Stark aka Borimir. Has made many films and some TV series. The one that shot him to stardom was called Sharp. A tv series based on a series of books by Bernard Cornwell, this series covers the napolionic wars and though the character is fiction the events are based on real battles and events. Sean survives this series with flying colours and is one hel of a period drama 👍

ezza

You mentioned similarities between this and Skyrim and Warcraft which should answer ur question about Harry Potter. Tolkiens work has inspired modern fantasy and story telling.

Woes

Also what an amazing display of non-toxic masculinity from Aragorn going from decapitating the head Uruk to kissing his dead mate on the forehead moments after.

Christopher Wichman

That moment where Aragorn blocks the knife thrown by the Uruk-Hai with the dreads was damn near a possibly fetal situation. The Uruk actor was meant to throw the knife near Aragorn but not directly at him, but in the heat of the moment he forgot and luckily Aragorn's actor had been practicing so much he actually blocked the knife. That's why you can see the knife actually shatter in the scene.

Christopher Wichman

I want to be the one to say that in the battle with the orcs, Aragorn parried a thrown knife away with his sword, and... That scene was not scripted. The orc actor threw it wrong, and Viggo had the dexterity to be able to hit it in the air without preparation. The story of how these movies were made is wild, I tell you

Jakob

Mr Boyd, I saw this in theaters just a few months after the 9/11 attacks. Throughout the fiery collapsing bridges scene inside the Mine of Moria, I was reminded of what the last hour inside the World Trade Center must have been like for the people trapped inside and the firefighters trying to save them. I started sobbing uncontrollably, and my friend turned to me and said, “It’s only a movie.” But that’s the thing with really powerful movies, isn’t it? The films that strike an emotional chord are never “only a movie.” Tolkien wrote, and director Peter Jackson recreated, a story about courage and terror, betrayal and redemption, the greed for power, and the ordinary people who are asked to sacrifice themselves for causes they often don’t understand. I find something new to love every time I watch this trilogy. And some new reason to cry.

Susan B

You are 100% right about inspiring Skyrim. Next movie were are going to see a location that may seem familiar if you've played alot of Skyrim lol.

Christopher Wichman

You can mention HP just in the context it ripped off LOTR hard. lol.

Mega Reacts

YES, I love these movies!!! keep an open mind and you'll enjoy them!!

Jenna96

Because I have to record every movie in 2 parts, I'll watch them really close together anyway.

Lenear Boyd

What a nice surprise, glad I didn’t have to wait an entire week for pt 2. Thanks for doing the extended versions, much longer but add so much more insight.

Kyle Komperda

That scene with Bilbo still scares me.

Melchizedek

Aww yeah

Ze_Sentinel

Yay! :D

EndlessRiver


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