MoscoMoon : She-Ra s5 ep8 Shot in the Dark, Early, Raw, Uncut

She missed hearing the creepy roar and bow saying what was that! Before the fake entrapeda voice It makes it more creepy if she heard it😭i hope she rewatches

MoMo Tempest🏳️‍🌈

2024-09-21 22:31:16 +0000 UTC

I'm sorry you have to go through such abusive family relations and also how much it and the backlash against your opinion on Catra has affected your ability to sympathize with and enjoy the character. I'm glad you took the time to reflect and realize why she rubbed you the wrong way.

Dan_Ganing_Fan

2024-03-15 17:01:44 +0000 UTC

They sound like space Americans, really.

William Timmins

2024-03-10 22:00:12 +0000 UTC

Yes, yes! I love fan fics that explore their fighting as a love language. It's so good and so on brand for both of them. Also its worth noting that most of the times the fight they are absolutely holding back. Also... and this is not fun thing. If you view fighting as a love language between them. Then that really re-contextualizes the Fight where Catra is mind controlled and makes it soooo much worse

Sarah

2024-03-02 14:03:39 +0000 UTC

Every single member of the Waverider crew fits the definition of "useless lesbian" to the T, even though there are no Ts in that phrase and half the crew are men.

Ryan Porter

2024-02-26 19:42:19 +0000 UTC

The Legends of Tomorrow :)

Lucy Diamond

2024-02-26 19:34:29 +0000 UTC

Where did you get that cup?

Lucy Diamond

2024-02-26 19:30:49 +0000 UTC

So, do the claws poke out through the suit Entrapta made, or does the suit have its own Adamantium-class claws built in? You know, for space-clawing without accidental depressurisation? (Having said that, the suits can clearly operate with hair and tails poking out, so... )

Frank Wales

2024-02-26 06:33:42 +0000 UTC

You going to your page to remember your intro reminds me of the R.E.M. documentary where Michael Stipe goes into a music store and buys his own band's song book so he can remember lyrics to some of their old songs.

Panic Blitz

2024-02-26 00:05:33 +0000 UTC

She's using her PhD to do clawing-edge research into useless lesbianism

Frank Wales

2024-02-25 15:27:49 +0000 UTC

Not what you're looking for, but maybe thematically similar: https://archiveofourown.org/works/34683403/chapters/86353906 Summarised by the author as "'Save the Cat', on a time loop".

Frank Wales

2024-02-25 15:25:20 +0000 UTC

I hit enter without meaning to, whoops. I also wanted to say I'm sorry to hear about what your family has been through. I can relate, though the details are different. My dad was a deeply verbally/emotionally abusive asshole and I'm still working through my issues about it, as are my mom and siblings. We'll be okay, but there's been a lot of therapy involved. I'm inclined to give Catra a fair amount of leeway myself because she's so young and has started doing the work to improve her patterns, but I totally get that we all experience these things differently (plus it sounds like your triggers are probably not the same as mine). I do, however, hate Shadow Weaver like burning. It was a wonderful reaction! I liked how tickled you were about Adora asking if Catra was petting their attacker.

Gigi

2024-02-24 22:47:43 +0000 UTC

If you'd like, there's a fanfic you may or may not have read that the fandom is almost certain was written by ND Stevenson (he definitely said he'd published a fanfic but left it up to the fans to determine which one; this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/DontGo explains some of the evidence, but you may want to save it for after reading if you don't want fic spoilers), set between Save the Cat and The Perils of Peekablue. I'm going to skim it again to make sure, but it shouldn't contain spoilers for anything past Taking Control. [After skimming: There are hints at ships you may not be aware of/have confirmation for, but that's about as spoilery as it gets. I leave it to you to decide if that's something you're cool with or if you'd rather wait until you finish the show to check it out.] The story fills in some missing moments and gives some pretty interesting insight into where certain characters' heads are at. Here's the link for the story if you'd like: https://archiveofourown.org/works/24280306 Also highly recommend this video essay/dialogue by Overly Sarcastic Productions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNvzDmv9-qw . This one I definitely recommend saving for after the finale because it does contain some spoilers for the end of the show, though the primary focus is a pretty interesting analysis of Glimmer and Catra in season 4.

Gigi

2024-02-24 22:26:37 +0000 UTC

I’m really sorry about your family situation! And yeah, I think that Catra (and some other characters) fairly frequently remind people of real-world experiences when watching the show - I’m fortunate enough to have never had to deal with stuff like that, but I think it’s fairly common from what I’ve seen in the fandom. Though, as far as I can tell it’s also helped a lot of people in noticing or identifying this sort of behavior in people for the first time - I know a lot of fans have talked about Catra being a wake up call for them noticing their own abusive tendencies towards others, which is very cool! (them noticing and changing I mean, not the abuse itself obviously) What you said at the beginning prompted me to have some thoughts about Catra and her actions, I’ve already said some of this (in the form of a dozen paragraph long previous comment on 5x3) but not very clearly or succinctly and there’s some more concepts I want to build, and I really want to get it all off my chest as it where, so I might infodump some of those thoughts here. Sorry about how long this will probably be! I’ll try my best to be succinct. (I'm pretty sure a lot of all this is stuff that Mosco and quite a few others already know, but I haven't really seen the fandom in general talking about some of it, so I hope some people at least find the analysis here interesting. If not, tell me and I'll delete this comment so it's not taking up so much space for no reason) So, Shadow Weaver wanted Adora because she thought she would one day be very powerful. Adora liked Catra a lot, so Shadow Weaver kept Catra around even though she had no use for her, because she could use Catra as a tool to manipulate Adora. As a result, while Adora was mentally abused by Shadow Weaver, Catra was both mentally and physically abused, and was taught she had so inherent self-worth at all, and that she was only kept alive because Adora liked her, and I’m pretty sure Catra knew that if Adora didn’t like her any more, Shadow Weaver would kill her. Now, this combined with Catra being brought up to believe love was finite and conditional, explains how she acted when Adora found out about the Horde being evil, and immediately decided to run away. Catra felt betrayed, first by Adora not caring that Shadow Weaver was abusing her (in reality Adora was just very oblivious and didn't realize that was happening) but then suddenly caring about random strangers being abused by the horde, and secondly by Adora choosing to drop everything and leave Catra behind, even though she knew it would result in Catra being killed (which she didn’t know, but Catra thought she did). But I just realized there’s another thing that’s important here: firstly, Catra’s been brought up through propaganda and indoctrination to believe the rebellion is super evil, and though she knows the horde is too, she still clearly thinks neither are better than the other morally. Secondly, she and Adora, who currently have no power of their own, are trying to work their way upwards to get power and therefore safety. Adora is very critical to this, Catra knows she won’t be able to get that power and thus safety on her own because she’s inherently worthless outside of how she can be used as a tool to manipulate Adora. So when Adora finds the sword, becomes she-ra, and then runs off with the princesses, from Catra’s POV, Adora has just found a short-cut to getting power, and thus safety (not just through the physical strength of being she-ra, but also though her associated high status in the rebellion, which was something she wouldn't be granted even if she came back to the horde with the ability to become she-ra)… and she immediately abandoned Catra to her death in order to run off with it. Like, that’s a massive thing the more I think about it. That must hurt a LOT. I’ll have to go back and rewatch the scenes in question to be sure, but when Catra next runs into Adora at Thaymor, she’s so stunned at this that instead of running off with Adora, she does the default, conservative option, and goes back to the horde, even though she knows that might very well result in Shadow Weaver killing her. And when they next properly talk in Promise, Light Hope uses the holograms to deliberately push them apart. Oh, also, if I remember correctly Adora says something like “I know there’s good in you”, which at this point in the story would not be taken well by Catra at all. Catra believes the horde and rebellion are both really bad, so she doesn't think joining the rebellion is inherently a good choice (at this point in time at least, she realizes over the course of S3-4 that the horde is eviler than the rebellion I think, but by then the momentum of her working for the horde for so long makes it very mentally challenging to conceptualize leaving). However, by Adora saying she thinks there’s good in Catra, she implies that Adora left out of the goodness of her heart, which to Catra makes no sense - clearly, because the rebellion is just as bad, Adora must have left because she wants power, right? So by framing it like that Catra thinks Adora is pretending she’s good when in reality she’s an asshole who ran away and abandoned Catra to die at Shadow Weaver’s hand, and on top of that it could also come across as an insult to Catra, implying that everything bad she’s done so far has been because she’s inherently bad and not because of the situation’s she’s been in. And also, if Catra believes the rebellion is just as bad as the horde, then the literal only incentives to defect to the rebellion would be because A) Adora’s there, and B) she might be able to secure herself more power or something. But she hates Adora, because she broke the promise and left her to die without a second thought, and she highly doubts her chances of rising high up the ranks would be higher in the rebellion than the horde. So at the end of the day, from Catra’s perspective during S1-2, there’s no reason to defect. Finally, Catra remembers how Adora pretended to care about her, but never gave a damn about her being abused, and then ran off to help some strangers the second there was a chance of gaining power in doing so (again, none of this is true, but Catra doesn't know that). Catra also remembers how since Adora left, she’s been able to, against all odds, and in defiance of her previous expectation of being killed, rise through the ranks and gain some power herself. So, Catra naturally and reasonably concludes that close personal ties, especially unconditional friendship, with others is bad and will come back to bite you, and that Adora herself is also a bad person, and so she cuts her ties with her. Literally, in Promise (it’s worth noting Catra almost certainly knew that Adora could survive the resulting fall, I doubt she was actually trying to kill her, just make her go away). Now, at this point Catra being an asshole in general, and all of her behavior really, can be explained by three things: A) an incorrect worldview, believing love is conditional and finite, and that everything is inherently zero-sum, B) she believes she has no inherent value whatsoever, so no-one will ever do anything for her or protect her just out of the goodness of their hearts (and if they do, it’s a trap), so therefore the only way she’ll ever be safe is to gain power and control over others instead, and C) she has a lot of mental problems stemming from her childhood trauma, such as borderline personality disorder for example (BPD specifically isn’t confirmed in cannon but IIRC a lot of therapists and other people who know what they’re talking about agree that she easily meets all the criteria for it). When she was going to activate the portal, she was in a very bad state mentally, and I’m pretty sure during the sequence up to her pulling the lever, she was full-on disassociating as a result. It’s not super clear, but it’s heavily implied IIRC that she knew that doing it would end the world, and kill her and everyone else as a result, and she did it anyway, because she no-longer had anything to live for, and also maybe she wanted to hurt Adora for breaking the promise. Now, in the portal world itself, everything was perfect. Catra was actually loved, something she didn’t think was possible (because she knows love is finite, conditional, zero-sum, and always given out in exchange for something in return). Adora also never left her, and the promise was still intact. Then, Adora starts wanting to make things go back to the way they were, making her inherently worthless again, taking away her safety blankets, and most importantly, abandoning her again. Catra instead chooses to drop off the edge of a cliff into the expanding portal-sphere-thing, killing herself (fandom consensus IIRC is that this was a suicide attempt, at the very least on some subconscious level, even though the animation does shows the rock breaking rather than her letting go, but I could be misremembering). I would talk more about this, but I just scrolled up and wow, that is way more text than I thought it would be. Sorry about that! But yeah, in conclusion Catra is very complicated and her motivations are more than just her being annoying for the sake of it. (but, also, she is literally just a cat) Anyway, I really love these reactions, and I can’t wait to see more of them! (And as I said in my pervious way-too-long comment (and earlier in this one), if other people don't like having to scroll past all this, tell me and I'd be happy to delete it)

Sapphire262

2024-02-23 19:27:24 +0000 UTC

They're pretty much the bladed equivalent of a Loony Toons hammer; they vanish into the interdimensional Hammerspace when they're "retracted," and cause as much or as little damage as required at any given moment.

Mahlernut

2024-02-21 22:34:30 +0000 UTC

It's the last one, obviously. Savour it.

Stephen Ray

2024-02-21 19:33:40 +0000 UTC

And we're now talking about petty labelle. Great! Petty and n7punk are both amazing. If I could only recommend one She-ra fanfic writer, it would be those two.

Stephen Ray

2024-02-21 19:33:12 +0000 UTC

But posting the episodes in separate weeks just hurts us. So fine.

Stephen Ray

2024-02-21 19:30:15 +0000 UTC

Oh, are we talking about how awesome n7punk is? Well, n7punk is awesome.

Stephen Ray

2024-02-21 19:28:39 +0000 UTC

In the next episode, we are briefly shown a planet of cat people on Horde Prime's screen. According to Stevenson, it's a reference to the Magicats from the original show and that Catra and the other cat people on Etheria are distantly related to them (some of them moved to Etheria a long time ago.)

Vilmu

2024-02-21 17:14:00 +0000 UTC

Yep. Stevenson has also mentioned that Catra (and the other cat people on Etheria) originate from a planet that is briefly shown on a screen in the next episode (with cat people inspired by the Magicats from the original show.)

Vilmu

2024-02-21 17:09:42 +0000 UTC

Wasn't there a Cat person in the last episode, one of the ppl Seahawk tied up?

Willow Arkan

2024-02-21 16:47:31 +0000 UTC

More colonisation, less glassing of planets which seems Horde Primes MO

Willow Arkan

2024-02-21 16:46:53 +0000 UTC

Which also means whenever she scratches Adora, she is holding back quite a bit, she wounds her but not maims her. Although that might just be cartoon logic at play.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-21 16:45:47 +0000 UTC

One of them is a bit of a useless lesbian, in the Adora family of characters, though her Shadow Weaver is more subtle and generally a lot nicer, granted Shadow Weaver being nice is still kinda mean.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-21 16:43:18 +0000 UTC

Ah yes, Catra at her most smug Catra

Willow Arkan

2024-02-21 16:39:43 +0000 UTC

What...that's NOT what she's saying? I might have to reevaluate a few thing about this channel...

Mahlernut

2024-02-21 01:01:31 +0000 UTC

I’d argue save the cat ended on a happy note

Christopher Bouzas

2024-02-20 21:16:43 +0000 UTC

I'm glad you took time to think about why catra and her behavior bothered you so much and I'm sorry for the reason. That being said, I'm also sorry that the fandom's reaction to your feelings towards her made stuff so hard to care about the character

bloodyshadow1

2024-02-20 13:11:38 +0000 UTC

On Catra's people's origin, I have a personal theory that her ancestors came from Crytis (hence why Melog imprinted on Catra so quickly). If that's the case, Catra may be the last of her kind since it seems that Prime wiped out the planets inhabitance rather than enslave them.

Eliteguard99

2024-02-20 09:47:29 +0000 UTC

It's quite interesting that instead of making the First Ones these wise, pragmatic galactic federation they were also a galactic empire much like Horde Prime. They just probably disagreed on who should be in charge and in the end the First Ones tried to colonize planets high on magic to use as a weapon against Horde Prime.

Eliteguard99

2024-02-20 09:43:21 +0000 UTC

I'm sorry about your grandfather and your family situation Mosco, I learned that my grandmother was also very abusive two years ago.

Eliteguard99

2024-02-20 09:12:24 +0000 UTC

Catra's claws have been shown to slice through robots before. Luckily they're retractable.

Vilmu

2024-02-20 07:43:05 +0000 UTC

Witch from Mercury?

celas001

2024-02-20 04:14:15 +0000 UTC

Given the timing of these reactions, and the fact that April Fools Day lands on a Monday, she may still have a chance to say "whores and pebbles".

Ryan Porter

2024-02-20 03:22:25 +0000 UTC

I'm so sorry you went through all that Mosco. I have no right or ability to speak about what you're going through with your family but I hope you know how strong and beaming light of a human being you are

FilmCritMaybe

2024-02-20 02:01:10 +0000 UTC

Mosco did a reaction to AJ’s version of the song back on New Year’s Eve!

Jenny D

2024-02-20 01:51:00 +0000 UTC

Gives all the hugs one can You can't help the family you've been born to. But you can always find and pick better ones to make family. And you should always cut out toxic people, no matter what they say about family. Family can even hurt one another even more than strangers or friends. Keep it up Mosco, you aren't alone in this situation!

WolfieOo

2024-02-20 01:37:57 +0000 UTC

I just noticed because of you stopping the video during the End credits. That Catra's VA sung the S5 trailer "Warrior" that Ive hyperfixated for two weeks now, and now Im so much more in love with the fact the musical episode she just entirely botched it on purpose

AriaTheCupcake Taiga

2024-02-20 01:26:20 +0000 UTC

Are you going to watch the final two episodes as one mega episode?

Porpoise Power

2024-02-20 00:36:02 +0000 UTC

Just make sure you're saying Hordes and Rebels in the intro, and NOT whores and pebbles

Porpoise Power

2024-02-19 23:55:02 +0000 UTC

With their new connection, Melog is gonna reflect Catra's emotions a lot, so might wanna keep an eye on them.

Vilmu

2024-02-19 22:44:49 +0000 UTC

Yay mug!!! Thank you for sharing the thoughts on your reflection at the beginning, stuff in our history can have big impacts on how we see the world. I never judged the Catra hate, she's a little shit at best through most of the series. My wife went through some abuse/isolation/bullying in her childhood and had the opposite reaction of relating to Catra hard.

Zen

2024-02-19 22:40:38 +0000 UTC

sure isn't bloom into you, the coupling of "am i aro?" and "I can only love you if you don't love me" with a good helping of "i am on the wrong end of a sapphic love triangle and am the one who knows of systemic homophobia and comp het". Upside older lesbian cafe owner, with semi-closeted school teacher partner, gives the baby gays a place to hangout.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 22:38:32 +0000 UTC

Of course, we get some fun commentary on THAT in the next couple episodes. "You don't have anything for dealing with REAL threats. Like ME." 🤣

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 22:34:38 +0000 UTC

ah yes the inspiration spiral, like the bible fanfic that ended up informing theology or the french fanfic that added a lot more romantic drama into the arthurian mythos.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 22:30:31 +0000 UTC

She’s finally got all her best friends on the same side working together and (basically) getting along!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 22:28:47 +0000 UTC

Hope you enjoy it! She's got a hell of a catalogue! And you've gotta love a fanfic inspired by a song that's the musical version of fanfic. :D

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 22:13:11 +0000 UTC

I am glad you took the time to work through your emotions on Catra and commend you for it as it's more than what most people bother to do. I was excited for you to watch this episode because 1. It's one of my faves and 2. I think this is the episode you have been needing. Catra shows so much growth in it in learning how to get along with others, working on her anger issues by her own volition, and essentially gets a therapy cat. I'm sorry people were getting onto you so much about Catra. She is my favorite character and I am also protective of her, so I get it, but you have to look at things in perspective. You were still in season 4 when you were upset with her and didn't have the context of season 5 like we would. Catra was a terrible person and she had to make the decision to get better and now you have gotten a chance to see her doing just that.

Vex Valor

2024-02-19 22:02:24 +0000 UTC

Actually, along the anime trajectory...any episode of Sailor Moon with Jupiter and Neptune. It's been a while, so maybe I'm misremembering a lack of uselessness...

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 22:00:40 +0000 UTC

Utena! ...or not :D

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 21:53:57 +0000 UTC

Other than "Wynonna Earp", obviously.

Ryan Porter

2024-02-19 21:53:03 +0000 UTC

Typical sapphics. After years of ignoring their feelings, they go on one date, and then adopt a cat together. I think after this (and Harley Quinn), Mosco is going to need to watch a series with USEFUL lesbians... ...are there any?

Ryan Porter

2024-02-19 21:51:40 +0000 UTC

Thank you for opening up about that Mosco truly I'm so sorry about that. Some family members and some people are the worst. Yep Catra is a fighter just like you Mosco that's why I think I admire Catra in that aspect so much. 🤲🙏

Catradora fan

2024-02-19 21:50:55 +0000 UTC

Not that one specifically, listening to it now though, but I am subscribed to her, mostly because of the X song but gay series she did/does. Especially like her rendition of my jolly sailor bold. Also the weird connections to her channel today, there's a shera fanfic author mention in comments here, who in a description of a story blamed reinaeiry for inspiring the fic.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 21:47:59 +0000 UTC

Quadruple mayjeur no less. And don't forget to make the little finger gesture that means "academic." :D

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 21:43:09 +0000 UTC

It feels like the writers provided her with a somewhat different take on character this season...she certainly has a lot more moments of subtle and surprising humor. Part of it's no doubt the fact that the stakes are ramped up, which they accommodated by swing more quickly between drama and humor. There're a lot of resolutions as well...they're faced with the final threat, characters have shifted into their endgame states, and Adora doesn't feel so constantly stressed, under fire, and unable to find her footing. Basically, even if everything's bad, they know what's wrong and they're united (aside from the chipping).

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 21:40:06 +0000 UTC

Want something else fascinating, there's a video about the jewish history of the golem by jacob geller, which has some great clips of a real pretty picture book and early black and white film.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 21:34:43 +0000 UTC

Went looking and found Trade today for tomorrow, also by n7punk, who wrote several reincarnation stories about them it turns out, not the one i was looking for but still a great read.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 21:27:12 +0000 UTC

omg that's amazing! love it 🤣 And really, no one's ever ready for the giant mud-monsters.

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 21:26:16 +0000 UTC

Nah the things i am referring to are regular videos, though they do have a podcast and I am sure She-ra will have been mentioned at some point, since it's up there with Castlevania and Reboot for things she references a lot.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 21:25:26 +0000 UTC

I know! The first time I saw this episode, the ship door opened, and I fully expected they'd see something terrible. But nope! It was an upbeat ending.

Tabatha Cat

2024-02-19 21:25:01 +0000 UTC

Have you heard Reinaeiry's song "After the War"? There's a sweet and slightly heartbreaking exchange, with Catra singing "promise me you'll never leave," and Adora responding "promise me you'll try." It's a good observation about something Adora's probably wanted all her life...to see Catra care enough about her own happiness, and that of those around her, to actively try to contend with and face her problems rather than lashing out.

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 20:50:19 +0000 UTC

Again, one of my favorite episodes. I always kind of forget the jump scares and feeling of dread, because those didn't really get to me after the first time I watched it. The episode always feels oddly comforting to me. The team is headed home, they found an ally and useful information, Bow and Glimmer are accepting Catra and Adora and Catra are adorable. Catra says Melog responds to emotions. They also reflect Catra's emotions a lot. So now, keep an eye on Catra's ears, they droop when she is upset, her tail which you've noticed, and Melog's colors and demeanor. Also, keep an eye on how Melog responds and reacts to Adora and you'll have a better handle on how Catra actually feels. Catra jumping on the "stranger" was 100% fight or flight instinct. They neat thing is she was protecting Bow and Glimmer as much as she was herself or Adora. They were closer to the danger.

Tammy Ragsdale

2024-02-19 20:39:36 +0000 UTC

I agree and resonate so much with the feelings around Catra. When I first watched the show I couldn’t deal with her physical violence towards Adora due to my own past experiences, but for some odd reason what made me be able to stomach Catra was that whole ‘she’s a cat’ thing haha.

Childofthestars111

2024-02-19 20:29:15 +0000 UTC

But from here on out those moments are more understandable and not as damaging.

Tammy Ragsdale

2024-02-19 20:21:35 +0000 UTC

Are those the same as her species? Afaik Catra has never actually officially been confirmed as a magicat, that’s just a fandom-accepted headcanon. And isn’t the species in that show something else?

Jenny D

2024-02-19 20:18:50 +0000 UTC

My first introduction to the word golem/Gollum was the LotR character, and I never knew the spelling either (I actually just learned it today when I wrote the initial comment) so imagine my surprise in a game when the word golem comes up and a bunch of giant mud-monsters appear.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 20:15:02 +0000 UTC

Maybe, but she’s definitely not back to Light Spinner either. I think She-ra got rid of the parasite, because I’m pretty sure that’s what was killing SW, but I think she was too altered after all these years. However, it could be that the healing is what allowed her to care about Micah again. She doesn’t see him until after she’s been healed, so we’ll never know how she would have reacted to seeing him while still attached to the dark magic.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 20:12:09 +0000 UTC

No, sorry. The only fanfic I can think of like that that I’ve read is a one-shot, I think it was one of n7punk’s…yep just checked. Strange Love. But it’s only 3.9k words.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 20:01:29 +0000 UTC

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen at least some of their She-ra videos, but are they considered podcasts?

Jenny D

2024-02-19 19:57:07 +0000 UTC

Finally, an episode that ends on a happy note! When’s the last time we had one of those? When’s the next time we’ll have one of those?

Jenny D

2024-02-19 19:51:54 +0000 UTC

I remember sapphic animation twitter when She-Ra came out, the feelings for that ship were intense, did create a great environment for fanfic creation I suppose. So many Catra pfps, i think some of those moved over to owlhouse in time, after all that's how I found about that show, the scent of sapphic rep was in the air from the new show.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:47:35 +0000 UTC

My bad, such a scholar our girl

Azirapalala

2024-02-19 19:43:19 +0000 UTC

Speaking of AU fanfics, the previously mentioned n7punk has a TON of amazing AU fics, both long and oneshots. Another writer I highly recommend for AU Catradora is petty_labelle. If you haven’t read anything by these two yet, you should change that!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 19:42:34 +0000 UTC

Btw do you know of an AU fanfic that is kind of an anthology, where Catra and Adora find eachother over and over again through time in different forms and settings, with vague memories between lifetimes? I can't seem to find it, all I remember is that in I think the first story Adora is sent to hunt what turns out to be Catra in a medieval setting.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:42:09 +0000 UTC

Actually, I think the reason Melog is part kitty is because of Catra. Initially they (Melog’s gender is never specified) appeared humanish-shaped before the whole group, and only transformed into a cat-shape when they were alone with Catra.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 19:39:24 +0000 UTC

Aimee Carrero really does do a fantastic job voicing Adora!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 19:34:16 +0000 UTC

She work so hard and it makes Adora happy.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:27:38 +0000 UTC

Also I would add that your Catra reaction was refreshing to watch (and I'm saying that as someone who likes Catra), to see such a different stance on a character who is so multifaceted makes one wonder what exactly they like or dislike about a character

Azirapalala

2024-02-19 19:26:41 +0000 UTC

I've always adored the animation timing (and Catra's expressions) as she explains that she's working on her anger management, gets frustrated, takes and releases a breath, and gets the dopiest Zen look on her face as she says "yes. yes I am."

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 19:24:26 +0000 UTC

Never has a sapient being so desperately needed a therapy companion. The first time I remember hearing someone mention the whole "Melog = Golem in reverse" thing, I hadn't been thinking much about the spelling of the name, and my first thought was "Why the hell would they take Gollum's name and turn it backwards?"

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 19:20:56 +0000 UTC

Bow and Glimmer engage in a lot of silent commentary during the trip back to Etheria. This is definitely one of those times.

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 19:18:15 +0000 UTC

I think the brilliance of Catra's character is precisely how she manages to make the audience feel so passionate and conflicted about her. Her writing is rooted in very dark themes that some of us can relate to, one way or another, and sometimes the accuracy of that fictional character hits a little too close home to be "cool" or "neutral" in our reactions (and that works both ways : from what I've seen, people either are hard fans of Catra or loathe her, no real middle ground of just liking her or being 'meh'). Honestly at every rewatch of Shera I've had I ended up feeling a whole bunch of new emotions for Catra. So hey, enjoy your rewatch, whatever your conclusion is !

Azirapalala

2024-02-19 19:17:17 +0000 UTC

Good points. I also think that when Shera healed her, she was freed from the parasitic dark magic. Not that that made her a good person by any means, but she could at least begin to move in another direction.

Tabatha Cat

2024-02-19 19:14:01 +0000 UTC

The question that follows is: how long does one need to roll the "r" in Greyskull for it to be truly authentic?

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 19:12:53 +0000 UTC

Women that could take her in a fight maybe?

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:11:49 +0000 UTC

I think I like the name "Puppy Hordak" even better than "Wrong Hordak."

Tabatha Cat

2024-02-19 19:11:16 +0000 UTC

Sorry you felt the need to have to justify your opinion on Catra (wish people could learn to disagree respectfully on the internet), but glad you found your way to whatever you were comfortable with and thanks for being vulnerable enough to share even though you shouldn't have to. Here's to spreading kindness and compassion.

K Cianci

2024-02-19 19:10:54 +0000 UTC

you seen the overly sarcastic production's detail diatribe about she-ra? The show is one of Red's go to example for positive examples, also for female himbos.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:10:16 +0000 UTC

Obviously, that is who Greyskull is, it's been there from the start.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:06:12 +0000 UTC

It's really nice seeing Catra working on her impulsive anger, like she has come to understand that about herself and how it has constantly led to her getting hurt, not to mention those she cares about. Also cheers for emotional support magic cat.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:04:58 +0000 UTC

That's so cool, I never knew about the double callback to the old series with Melog.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:03:07 +0000 UTC

If you are ever interested in finding more about catra's race there is an old show called thunder cats, while it doesn't tie in to the actual show since it's much older it's fun to learn more about her race.

Riley Johnson

2024-02-19 19:01:24 +0000 UTC

don't you mean quadruple major?

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:01:05 +0000 UTC

Catra never been the most subtle, never honest to herself, but def. not subtle.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 19:00:28 +0000 UTC

Ofc she has a PhD in useless lesbianism, she is a triple major at the aCaDeMy we all go to

Azirapalala

2024-02-19 18:48:17 +0000 UTC

Sure Glimmer has gotten further with Catra than Adora has, but Catra has known what Glimmer tastes like for 3 seasons or something. I love how they're pointing towards Catradora. When they do the big switch to SparkleKitten everyone was blown away.

Stephen Ray

2024-02-19 18:29:02 +0000 UTC

Adora: "Are you petting the thing that's been trying to kill us?" The amount of hypocrisy is bloody amazing 🤣

Dennis

2024-02-19 18:28:53 +0000 UTC

Catra gets a therapy cat! I thought about making a joke/fake spoiler awhile back about Catra getting therapy from Smeagol (Melog is Golem spelled backwards, Golem sounds like Gollum) but I couldn’t quite make it work.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 18:28:52 +0000 UTC

Bow and glimmers aggressive affection is exactly what catra needs at this point. Introducing melog catras emotional support alien

Luke Teasdale

2024-02-19 18:27:59 +0000 UTC

It has to be tough, reacting to a show like this where a few people have... how to say... "strong" feelings about certain characters.

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 18:20:21 +0000 UTC

Hey now, Catra would jump into fire for her idiot blonde at this point.

Dafydd Mac an Leigh

2024-02-19 18:20:01 +0000 UTC

CATRA: So your plan is to what, ram through an armada of ships? JEREMY: Catra would be amazing at Cinema Sins. (Ding!)

Dafydd Mac an Leigh

2024-02-19 18:18:51 +0000 UTC

My theory about Shadow Weaver is that, back when she was Light Spinner, she was actually capable of caring about others. She still cared more about getting power for herself over anything else, but I do think she cared about Micah to a degree. I wouldn’t say it was a maternal instinct though. More of a mentor feeling than anything. However, when the dark magic took over and she became Shadow Weaver, she lost the ability to care about others entirely. I don’t believe she ever cared about Adora the way she cared about Micah. The only part of Adora she cared about was the innate power Shadow Weaver sensed in her. But with Micah, because she had that previous connection before the dark magic attached itself to her, I think she still has a shred of that care for him left deep down.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 18:17:05 +0000 UTC

You were close with the idea of saving the universe with the power of Gae...but it's actually the power of Gaelic. An army of 5th-century Scot highlanders overrun the Horde and destroy Horde Prime with haggis.

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 18:16:16 +0000 UTC

Now would be a good time to point out that not only is the season 5 finale a 2-parter, but it is actually the only two parter where you kinda want to watch both parts back-to-back. The other two parters in She-Ra are fine to split up and watch one episode at a time, but the season 5 finale is basically one long episode, and waiting a week in between watching parts 1 and 2 kinda hurts the watching experience.

Omegastar

2024-02-19 18:16:06 +0000 UTC

If you are interested in further she-ra breakdowns, 5by5 takes has some really cool stuff breaking down various aspects of the show often focusing on catra and adora, though i would watch them after finishing the series, as at least visuals from the seasons end can show up. Especially for the episode corridors and how it relates to other episodes across the series there's a neat video.

Willow Arkan

2024-02-19 18:15:37 +0000 UTC

Adora: "The way Catra carves through 4-inch steel plating is TOTALLY hot." also Adora: "Do I have any nail files around the house?"

Mahlernut

2024-02-19 18:11:05 +0000 UTC

Yeah, but she pronounces it "Use-LESS Lesbi-AN-is-UM" all the time...

Dafydd Mac an Leigh

2024-02-19 18:10:10 +0000 UTC

Don't worry. Yer still not done with "Catra, NO!"

JHB

2024-02-19 17:58:50 +0000 UTC

Also, if you compare the wide shot at the start of the scene with the wide shot at the end, the door on their left -- that fake Entrapta tells them to take -- doesn't exist until after she tells them to take it.

Frank Wales

2024-02-19 17:57:13 +0000 UTC

Catra making a connection with Melog with no baggage a fresh start. Melog is so beautiful. Catra saying "It's alright nobody's going to hurt you" shows her growth too she can start to heal and trust certain people since she was not not shown kindness all her life. Now look at what happens when Catra is in a safe environment she is listened to and in turn learns true friendship. Adora and Catra grew up in the Horde not learning what any kind of love is not knowing what a healthy family friendship or romantic love looks like. Catra protects Adora Glimmer and Bow because she's protecting her friends. Melog spelt backwards is Golem. Melog is a combination of two characters from the original show one is a lion that the original Catra would ride on and the other is Golem a shapeshifting blob. Bow and Glimmer love Catra. Catra doesn't mind if Adora thinks she's cute. "I'm sorry, I got angry" Catra RECOGNISING her emotions CHARACTER GROWTH! Catra is such a tsundere. 😆🥰 Catra's short hair is adorable. Adora showing Melog she is magic showing she has come along way: season 1 episode 2: " I don't know I'm not magic" character growth gotta love it.

Catradora fan

2024-02-19 17:53:59 +0000 UTC

Wrong Hordak: We do not discuss M. Night Shyamalan’s adaptation. Adora: So that means M. Night Shyamalan did make an adaptation. WH: N-no. M. Night Shyamalan’s movies are all original. Bow: You just said— WH: We do not discuss M. Night Shyamalan’s adaptation. We do not discuss The Last Airbender movie. Glimmer: What’s The Last Airbender movie? WH: The Last Airbender Movie does not exist, and if it did, we would not discuss it.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:52:42 +0000 UTC

So yes Catra is a useless lesbian, but Adora has a PhD in useless lesbianism, and now teaches: Useless lesbianism 101 Justifying your gay feelings as normal female friendship Ignoring the signs that girl you like is thirsty as fuck for you

cipher

2024-02-19 17:52:32 +0000 UTC

SHERA AND THE PRINCESSES OF USELESS LESBIANS

Sushi's Snakes

2024-02-19 17:50:32 +0000 UTC

9:42 And that’s why this is lowkey my favorite episode! It’s peak useless lesbians!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:45:20 +0000 UTC

Catra “So you’re just going to barge through an armada without a plan?” Also Catra when a weird alien jump scares her and threatens her idiot blonde “no time to think just tackle it and hope for the best.”

Christopher Bouzas

2024-02-19 17:36:37 +0000 UTC

One last thing about Catra before I actually get to the episode reaction: I’ve always seen her character as somewhere between Zuko and Azula. Or rather, who Zuko could have been if he didn’t have his mother and Iroh in his life.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:32:21 +0000 UTC

Speaking of fanfic by n7punk, they have one that basically delves into the type of women Adora is attracted to, because the ones we’ve seen before were tall, muscular women (Huntara, and one of the women from Elberon who hugged Adora really tight). But if you add Catra into the mix—like Adora’s reaction when Catra claws a door out of a metal wall—Adora’s type becomes dangerous women (which I believe is the name of the fanfic), and I think that just really explains so much about her.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:29:08 +0000 UTC

Update: bad idea! I had so many thoughts and feelings just from your intro, and stupid cooking kept getting in the way!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:25:33 +0000 UTC

Mosco! I love that you’ve taken the time to go back and try to understand Catra! Even if you’d still come away feeling the same way about her that you had before, I think all of us Catra fans would still appreciate and respect you for making the effort!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:23:45 +0000 UTC

I like the detail of how the fake Entrapta talked to bfs you couldn’t hear Wrong Hordak having a existential crisis in the background

Christopher Bouzas

2024-02-19 17:18:43 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I think my interpretation of their roughhousing in the Horde being the only way they can be tactile with each other also came from fanfiction. I can’t remember which exactly, but it was most likely written by n7punk.

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:17:30 +0000 UTC

Hey, I like waffles.

David Johnson

2024-02-19 17:16:02 +0000 UTC

Ooh what podcasts?! I’ve listened to a couple as well (Podcast of Power and She-ra Progressive of Power) and I have a couple others saved that I haven’t gotten to yet (Hey Adora: A Queer SheRa Podcast and Overly Animated’s She-ra podcast) but I’m curious if you’ve heard of others that I haven’t found!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:13:16 +0000 UTC

I'd wondered whether you ever completely blanked like that. Answer: Yes. And resolved the most direct way: go to the channel and listen to yourself.

JHB

2024-02-19 17:09:01 +0000 UTC

Lowkey my favorite episode in the series! I normally wait to start your She-ra reactions until I’ve finished making my lunch, but I can’t wait!

Jenny D

2024-02-19 17:07:26 +0000 UTC

She-Ra s5 ep8 Shot in the Dark, Early, Raw, Uncut

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She missed hearing the creepy roar and bow saying what was that! Before the fake entrapeda voice It makes it more creepy if she heard it😭i hope she rewatches

I'm sorry you have to go through such abusive family relations and also how much it and the backlash against your opinion on Catra has affected your ability to sympathize with and enjoy the character. I'm glad you took the time to reflect and realize why she rubbed you the wrong way.

They sound like space Americans, really.

Every single member of the Waverider crew fits the definition of "useless lesbian" to the T, even though there are no Ts in that phrase and half the crew are men.

The Legends of Tomorrow :)

Where did you get that cup?

So, do the claws poke out through the suit Entrapta made, or does the suit have its own Adamantium-class claws built in? You know, for space-clawing without accidental depressurisation? (Having said that, the suits can clearly operate with hair and tails poking out, so... )

You going to your page to remember your intro reminds me of the R.E.M. documentary where Michael Stipe goes into a music store and buys his own band's song book so he can remember lyrics to some of their old songs.

She's using her PhD to do clawing-edge research into useless lesbianism

Not what you're looking for, but maybe thematically similar: https://archiveofourown.org/works/34683403/chapters/86353906 Summarised by the author as "'Save the Cat', on a time loop".

They're pretty much the bladed equivalent of a Loony Toons hammer; they vanish into the interdimensional Hammerspace when they're "retracted," and cause as much or as little damage as required at any given moment.

It's the last one, obviously. Savour it.

And we're now talking about petty labelle. Great! Petty and n7punk are both amazing. If I could only recommend one She-ra fanfic writer, it would be those two.

But posting the episodes in separate weeks just hurts us. So fine.

Oh, are we talking about how awesome n7punk is? Well, n7punk is awesome.

In the next episode, we are briefly shown a planet of cat people on Horde Prime's screen. According to Stevenson, it's a reference to the Magicats from the original show and that Catra and the other cat people on Etheria are distantly related to them (some of them moved to Etheria a long time ago.)

Yep. Stevenson has also mentioned that Catra (and the other cat people on Etheria) originate from a planet that is briefly shown on a screen in the next episode (with cat people inspired by the Magicats from the original show.)

Wasn't there a Cat person in the last episode, one of the ppl Seahawk tied up?

More colonisation, less glassing of planets which seems Horde Primes MO

Which also means whenever she scratches Adora, she is holding back quite a bit, she wounds her but not maims her. Although that might just be cartoon logic at play.

One of them is a bit of a useless lesbian, in the Adora family of characters, though her Shadow Weaver is more subtle and generally a lot nicer, granted Shadow Weaver being nice is still kinda mean.

Ah yes, Catra at her most smug Catra

What...that's NOT what she's saying? I might have to reevaluate a few thing about this channel...

I’d argue save the cat ended on a happy note

I'm glad you took time to think about why catra and her behavior bothered you so much and I'm sorry for the reason. That being said, I'm also sorry that the fandom's reaction to your feelings towards her made stuff so hard to care about the character

On Catra's people's origin, I have a personal theory that her ancestors came from Crytis (hence why Melog imprinted on Catra so quickly). If that's the case, Catra may be the last of her kind since it seems that Prime wiped out the planets inhabitance rather than enslave them.

I'm sorry about your grandfather and your family situation Mosco, I learned that my grandmother was also very abusive two years ago.

Catra's claws have been shown to slice through robots before. Luckily they're retractable.

Witch from Mercury?

Given the timing of these reactions, and the fact that April Fools Day lands on a Monday, she may still have a chance to say "whores and pebbles".

I'm so sorry you went through all that Mosco. I have no right or ability to speak about what you're going through with your family but I hope you know how strong and beaming light of a human being you are

Mosco did a reaction to AJ’s version of the song back on New Year’s Eve!

I just noticed because of you stopping the video during the End credits. That Catra's VA sung the S5 trailer "Warrior" that Ive hyperfixated for two weeks now, and now Im so much more in love with the fact the musical episode she just entirely botched it on purpose

Are you going to watch the final two episodes as one mega episode?

Just make sure you're saying Hordes and Rebels in the intro, and NOT whores and pebbles

With their new connection, Melog is gonna reflect Catra's emotions a lot, so might wanna keep an eye on them.

Of course, we get some fun commentary on THAT in the next couple episodes. "You don't have anything for dealing with REAL threats. Like ME." 🤣

ah yes the inspiration spiral, like the bible fanfic that ended up informing theology or the french fanfic that added a lot more romantic drama into the arthurian mythos.

She’s finally got all her best friends on the same side working together and (basically) getting along!

Hope you enjoy it! She's got a hell of a catalogue! And you've gotta love a fanfic inspired by a song that's the musical version of fanfic. :D

Actually, along the anime trajectory...any episode of Sailor Moon with Jupiter and Neptune. It's been a while, so maybe I'm misremembering a lack of uselessness...

Utena! ...or not :D

Other than "Wynonna Earp", obviously.

Typical sapphics. After years of ignoring their feelings, they go on one date, and then adopt a cat together. I think after this (and Harley Quinn), Mosco is going to need to watch a series with USEFUL lesbians... ...are there any?

Thank you for opening up about that Mosco truly I'm so sorry about that. Some family members and some people are the worst. Yep Catra is a fighter just like you Mosco that's why I think I admire Catra in that aspect so much. 🤲🙏

Quadruple *mayjeur* no less. And don't forget to make the little finger gesture that means "academic." :D

Want something else fascinating, there's a video about the jewish history of the golem by jacob geller, which has some great clips of a real pretty picture book and early black and white film.

Went looking and found Trade today for tomorrow, also by n7punk, who wrote several reincarnation stories about them it turns out, not the one i was looking for but still a great read.

omg that's amazing! love it 🤣 And really, no one's ever ready for the giant mud-monsters.

Nah the things i am referring to are regular videos, though they do have a podcast and I am sure She-ra will have been mentioned at some point, since it's up there with Castlevania and Reboot for things she references a lot.

I know! The first time I saw this episode, the ship door opened, and I fully expected they'd see something terrible. But nope! It was an upbeat ending.

I agree and resonate so much with the feelings around Catra. When I first watched the show I couldn’t deal with her physical violence towards Adora due to my own past experiences, but for some odd reason what made me be able to stomach Catra was that whole ‘she’s a cat’ thing haha.

But from here on out those moments are more understandable and not as damaging.

Are those the same as her species? Afaik Catra has never actually officially been confirmed as a magicat, that’s just a fandom-accepted headcanon. And isn’t the species in that show something else?

My first introduction to the word golem/Gollum was the LotR character, and I never knew the spelling either (I actually just learned it today when I wrote the initial comment) so imagine my surprise in a game when the word golem comes up and a bunch of giant mud-monsters appear.

No, sorry. The only fanfic I can think of like that that I’ve read is a one-shot, I think it was one of n7punk’s…yep just checked. Strange Love. But it’s only 3.9k words.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen at least some of their She-ra videos, but are they considered podcasts?

Finally, an episode that ends on a happy note! When’s the last time we had one of those? When’s the next time we’ll have one of those?

My bad, such a scholar our girl

Speaking of AU fanfics, the previously mentioned n7punk has a TON of amazing AU fics, both long and oneshots. Another writer I highly recommend for AU Catradora is petty_labelle. If you haven’t read anything by these two yet, you should change that!

Actually, I think the reason Melog is part kitty is because of Catra. Initially they (Melog’s gender is never specified) appeared humanish-shaped before the whole group, and only transformed into a cat-shape when they were alone with Catra.

Aimee Carrero really does do a fantastic job voicing Adora!

She work so hard and it makes Adora happy.

Also I would add that your Catra reaction was refreshing to watch (and I'm saying that as someone who likes Catra), to see such a different stance on a character who is so multifaceted makes one wonder what exactly they like or dislike about a character

I've always adored the animation timing (and Catra's expressions) as she explains that she's working on her anger management, gets frustrated, takes and releases a breath, and gets the dopiest Zen look on her face as she says "yes. yes I am."

Bow and Glimmer engage in a lot of silent commentary during the trip back to Etheria. This is definitely one of those times.

Good points. I also think that when Shera healed her, she was freed from the parasitic dark magic. Not that that made her a good person by any means, but she could at least begin to move in another direction.

The question that follows is: how long does one need to roll the "r" in Greyskull for it to be truly authentic?

Women that could take her in a fight maybe?

I think I like the name "Puppy Hordak" even better than "Wrong Hordak."

you seen the overly sarcastic production's detail diatribe about she-ra? The show is one of Red's go to example for positive examples, also for female himbos.

Obviously, that is who Greyskull is, it's been there from the start.

It's really nice seeing Catra working on her impulsive anger, like she has come to understand that about herself and how it has constantly led to her getting hurt, not to mention those she cares about. Also cheers for emotional support magic cat.

That's so cool, I never knew about the double callback to the old series with Melog.

If you are ever interested in finding more about catra's race there is an old show called thunder cats, while it doesn't tie in to the actual show since it's much older it's fun to learn more about her race.

don't you mean quadruple major?

Catra never been the most subtle, never honest to herself, but def. not subtle.

Ofc she has a PhD in useless lesbianism, she is a triple major at the aCaDeMy we all go to

Quadruple mayjeur no less. And don't forget to make the little finger gesture that means "academic." :D

Hey now, Catra would jump into fire for her idiot blonde at this point.