Angel || 4x18 || Discussion
Added 2023-03-04 20:40:01 +0000 UTC4x18: "Shiny Happy People"
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Okay Miss Ma'am JASMINEEEE! lowkey, pop off <3 I am with you on this plan of yours. whats next girl? I AM THEREEE!
lmaooo, this episode really put in the work to have me also worshipping Jasmine. I love her, but alsooooooo Fred seeing something crazyyyy?? AHHH I AM EXCITED!!
hope yall enjoyyyyy :D
Comments
I know! I notice that scream, anywhere.
Michael
2023-03-08 23:22:46 +0000 UTCSomething something Biblically Accurate Angels.
Will and Kim
2023-03-08 17:46:03 +0000 UTCThere's no such thing as good or bad taste, just different taste. Good taste is a lie clung to by people who need some way to feel superior.
John Alexander
2023-03-08 00:50:19 +0000 UTCIt's Sam Witwer and Annie Wersching! Didn't remember they made an appearance in this episode.
Pat S
2023-03-08 00:17:57 +0000 UTCI love S4. It does such a creepy, compelling, grotesque job of exploring the difference between fate (as created by a higher power) and free will. The whole Buffyverse really is just an exploration of the meaning we create when we choose for ourselves, so it’s definitely not an accident that Angel’s first words to Jasmine were “oh my God,” as he falls to his knees. I find it fascinating the way this episode begins to tease out the difference between choosing to be good and being forced to be good by a higher power.
Mitch M
2023-03-07 23:23:44 +0000 UTCYes, she was good in the role. I just didn't like her character. So much so that I don't care to see the Jasmine episodes.
Ron Fehr
2023-03-06 23:54:55 +0000 UTCGina Torres is great in this role imo and the arc is really fun.
ahmad
2023-03-06 22:48:08 +0000 UTCAlong with the Cordy/Connor thing, Jasmine was another reason I didn't care much for this season of Angel.
Ron Fehr
2023-03-06 04:39:00 +0000 UTCOpinions are not wrong, they just show poor taste.
Shaun Houghton
2023-03-06 01:17:13 +0000 UTCHappy to oblige Pat.
Shaun Houghton
2023-03-06 01:15:32 +0000 UTCSeason 4 is way more of a marathon to get through with rewatches for me. There is usually so much good stuff mixed in with stuff I don't care for. The set up this episode for Jasmine and Fred's role are much definitely in the positive column for the season for me.
Elle Blank
2023-03-06 01:12:34 +0000 UTCIf I were a god I'd make everyone call me Patchouli
Foamy
2023-03-05 20:50:01 +0000 UTCYea a lot of ppl just despise this season... I believe those people are wrong. I love this arc, including this episode.
Bisibia
2023-03-05 20:47:22 +0000 UTCI almost never agree with IMDb ratings and that’s not changing here. This is not the weakest episode of the season so far, as the IMDb rating suggests. The storytelling in this episode is so much better than that demonstrated by the first two-thirds of the season. The writing here is intentional, purposeful, and filled with meaning. This is the beginning of an actual story arc. Not just “birth pains”. I am not even remotely a fan of the journey the writing took to get us here. So much of it wasn't actually *needed* for the plot to reach this point and to suggest that everything happened specifically to get us to this point was nonsensical - and Wesley’s “birth pains” line is another hand wave attempt by the writers to excuse aspects of their storytelling that doesn’t hold up when looked at too closely - but with all that said; I absolutely love it here. This is how to write about the concept of free will.
tc3
2023-03-05 18:18:46 +0000 UTCWell, yes, I meant that Fred was like Roddy Piper's Nada character; the only person in the world who knows the truth, who can see what is really an ugly monster, and has to fight this powerful evil.
Koz
2023-03-05 11:44:43 +0000 UTCGreat episode in my opinion - but then I think Philip Kaufman's remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers is one of the best movies made in thw 70s - well worth adding to anyone's watchlist
Dave Ford
2023-03-05 11:16:38 +0000 UTCI do like the revelation that when Angel went to the trials to save Darla and they wouldn't save her, that he was still owed a life and that that life was Conner. But I wish we would have been told this sooner, it's been so long since that episode that you almost forgets it happens. Maybe not on a binge watch, but 2 seasons later is two years later when originally watching it.
Chris Hanley
2023-03-05 10:55:41 +0000 UTCJasmine is when I tune back into Angel season 4. Birth pains indeed, this season
SpikesEcho
2023-03-05 10:14:21 +0000 UTCThanks for the info.
Shaun Houghton
2023-03-05 09:54:17 +0000 UTCGoogle is your friend. "John Nada was a homeless drifter who lived in Los Angeles for a period of time. He is the main protagonist of the film They Live."
Dana
2023-03-05 08:54:27 +0000 UTCOkay, I'll play, who is this John Nada you speak of?
Shaun Houghton
2023-03-05 08:26:01 +0000 UTCLorne brings up his clan's ability to survive decapitation, provided their bodies aren't mutilation. You'd think Fred would remember that, although she probably did, but was desperate. ... My favorite part of this episode is seeing the Angel Investigations team functioning as a cohesive demon-destroying unit. ... Fred becomes John Nada towards the end, there.
Koz
2023-03-05 05:17:42 +0000 UTC
