EARLY ACCESS: The Hateful Eight (2015) | Movie Reaction | First Time Watching
Added 2022-12-19 20:00:03 +0000 UTCBrrrr It's Cold Outside! Time for the Snowy Western by Quentin Tarantino, The Hateful Eight (2015). Here's her reaction to her first time watching.
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You guys should do Jackie Brown. It's the least talked about but probably one of my favorites. Absolutely killer soundtrack.
Rob Church
2022-12-21 08:38:14 +0000 UTCActually I disagree. I think his films usually have terrific verisimilitude. I buy the reality of the world, whether it’s Kill Bill or Basterds. His dialogue isn’t realistic, but realism isn’t the point. His dialouge is theatrical. It’s not unlike David Mamet. The problem here was that the characters seemed too modern in their aesthetics. Like…Michael Madsen looks like a modern dude in a costume. Tarantino does theatrical but he usually doesn’t do “faux” and if he does do “faux” he’s doing it on purpose for kitsch or reference sake. This just felt…sloppy at times. I’ve also noticed a MASSIVE difference in the quality of his films since Sally Menke passed away. All his films since her passing have been poorly paced. Even OATIH had pacing issues. All his films use to feel propulsive in narrative heft. Now they are slower & more awkward in parts. Honestly…my feeling towards this film when it ended was…”that’s it?”. It just felt like he needed another draft or something. Like it was missing that key Tarantino ingredient. It’s like…Inglorious Basterds has the balls to kill Hitler! And Kill Bill doesn’t end up with the big sword fight but with a conversation. H8 has Samuel L Jackson & Mannix hang Daisy. Why? They are both bleeding and dying. We don’t see the work required to set up the rigging to hang her. What else could they have done there? It’s not like either of them were best friends with Kurt Russel. I guess you could say it works poetically but i dunno. Somehow it lacks that Tarantino spice. There’s not a moment I buy in the tension QT tries to squeeze out of Mannix accepting Daisy’s offer. I think the better ending is Mannix and Samuel L Jackson ride into Red Rock & together they save the town from the 15 gang members. Maybe both die in the process. Maybe they take Daisy to hang there too, when she dangles she can’t even scream. Another voiceless woman in pre 21st century America. They need something tall to hang her from and there’s an American flag pole in the middle of town and so they haul her up that pole & hang her, her blood staining the flag as it flaps in the breeze. Then we get the “Mary Todd’s calling” moment as Mannix, mortally wounded from the fight with the gang, reads the letter. As he dies the wind picks up and blows the letter out of his hand. I duno. You’d really have to rework the movie to add some of that. The way it ends now it’s kinda…”that’s it?” A Tarantino movie should be an event while this was more like a popcorn fart. Again…it’s not a bad movie per se.
Stan the Man
2022-12-21 07:59:45 +0000 UTCEh, as far as the half baked characters point, it just has more characters. They are bound to be half baked. It's no different than Inglorious Basterds. They are literally the title of that film and 90% of them aren't developed at all. Now for the predictability issue, sure, but you basically pointed to the one part where it was predictable (and it's supposed to be, the surprise is *when* the guy decides to go for the gun, what exact line was a bit too far for him). There were plenty of other moments that weren't predictable at all. You're telling me you saw Samuel L Jackson's character nuts getting shot off from a dude hiding in the basement? Or that the one black guy teams up with the southern racist? Or that Kurt Russell bites it half way through the ep? Disagree about the auto pilot dialogue. The carousel stuff was especially good and did a great and succinct job at setting up each character dynamic to subvert them later on. There's also the fact that the british man speaks with an RP accent then switches to a lower class Cockney one once the charade is up. Small things like that for me, doesn't make a lot of dialogue autopilot. And as far as lack of suspension of disbelief, Tarantino dialogue alone already affects that. Real people don't speak the way his characters speak. They're too articulate and always logic out things that happen. This worked well during Pulp Fiction/Reservoir Dogs, but past a certain amount of films, it's pretty clear it's the only way he can write. It always feels like actors in costumes. HIs films aren't very big on verisimilitude. It's the anti-The Wire. His unique stylistic flair and strong mechanical filmmaking is what really balances it out.
Veya
2022-12-21 02:43:45 +0000 UTCNo it’s not the bottle format. That’s kind of my favourite thing about the movie. Reservoir Dogs had a similar thing in the funeral garage place. The only Tarantino style dialogue that I find non autopilot in this movie is the frontier Justice talk. That’s great QT dialogue. The movie has plenty of twists and turns. But…take the General character. How much more interesting would it have been that instead of going to shoot Samuel L Jackson…he shoots himself in the head. As soon as he puts the gun down QT telegraphs himself. And I knew EXACTLY where that story was going. The problem is that most of the twists and turns are things I saw coming. It felt lazy. Like….why are all these guys so loyal to Daisy and her brother? Tim Rory’s character is shot up and dying and he’s trying to convince Walter Goggin’s of his bounty worth. One moment I did like was the kind of sweet “Hey dummy” Channging Tatum gives Daisy. See that’s surprising. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty to like about the movie. The Lincoln letter, OB, the poisoning, the almost Agatha Christie mystery feeling and deductions done by the detective like Samuel L Jackson. But so much of this movie just feels…half baked. Basically all the issues I had with this movie are all the issues I had with the Django Unchained 3rd act. At times I felt like I was watching modern actors in costumes. I didn’t get that immersive suspension of disbelief. I duno. It’s hard to put my finger on why
Stan the Man
2022-12-20 19:37:54 +0000 UTCI think the autopilot interpretation is because there aren't big plot beats like his other films, but I don't agree the dialogue didn't have the usual panache. It's literally the same Tarantino dialogue lol. I think people are just bothered by the relative lack of big plot beats and the bottle room structure that it affects their reception to other aspects of the film. Same thing happens with GoT at the end. People didn't like the writing or the starbucks cup then suddenly it became literally everything about it sucked, including acting and dialogue when there wasn't any real indication that it sucked. I think this film is definitely better than Death Proof. That movie had waaay too much excessive tarantino banter. Like, waaaay too much. It has a subversive structure (and the excessive dialogue was probably part of it) but that's about it. No real memorable characters or exchanges. This film at least had some interesting dynamics particularly between Samuel's character and Goggins. But overall, I do agree it's one of his weaker films.
Veya
2022-12-20 01:49:28 +0000 UTCA lot of people seem to crap on Death Proof, but I dig it. But I personally think that the second half of the movie is the first half. And it's got a killer soundtrack!
Jacob Colson
2022-12-20 00:02:47 +0000 UTCHateful 8 is a top 3 for me( Django&inglorious) but after the little evil shenanigans edit we Definitely need a Super Troopers reaction
Greg Read
2022-12-19 23:23:00 +0000 UTCI agree with the Mrs. I honestly think her Fav QT movie might end up being Jackie Brown(which is so underrated). Hateful 8 just felt like QT on autopilot. It didn’t feel special or like an event. The dialogue didn’t seem to have his usual panache. It was like someone was trying to rip off a QT movie. It’s not bad or anything. But I think it’s his weakest effort by far. I liked Death Proof more. The word the Mrs think was over used, was also overused in Django Unchained but that movie…it kinda made sense since it was about Slavery in particular. Also…Tarantino filmed a movie mostly set indoors in a single location…in 70mm. They made such a big deal about the 70mm and it’s mostly a movie that could’ve been done onstage. Yes the outdoor scenes looked good but…that’s like 5% of the movie. This movie is basically the tavern sequence in Inglorious Basterds but for the entire running time and but not as good or tense. I think the best QT movies are: Kill Bill(which I consider a single movie), Inglorious Basterds, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Reservoir Dogs, OATIH, Django Unchained, Death Proof and Hateful 8. What about everyone else? What’s your order of QT movies?
Stan the Man
2022-12-19 22:09:50 +0000 UTCGreat reactions as always. I was able to see this in theaters with the "Roadshow" version, 70mm film projection and had an intermission about halfway through. Bring back built-in intermissions for long epics! lol
LASmeenk
2022-12-19 20:46:52 +0000 UTC
