Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part Two | Reaction & Review
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So the reason I hated the 6th movie is because they left out all of the important parts of Voldemorts past and gave us the bare minimum. The movies honestly left out so much towards the end. If you don’t read/listen to the books, maybe watch some YouTube book recaps to get those answers.
A L
2024-07-24 17:55:33 +0000 UTCI enjoy these movies but they are never gonna be great because of what a shitty job they do explaining things. It's amazing they managed to fuck up so many key moments like the deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore, and the biggest reveal of the entire series. It sucks.
Julien
2023-12-12 02:43:20 +0000 UTChahaha a flop??? Its one of the highest grossing movies of all time
Sean Carroll
2023-11-14 13:55:27 +0000 UTCnew series is already planned but will take a few years.. its said to be the same story only much more fleshed out since its a tv show rather than a movie series
MO
2023-11-13 12:46:15 +0000 UTCthis kinda has to be in order to round up the series
MO
2023-11-13 12:44:23 +0000 UTCNow you have to visit USA & go to Universal Studios Wizarding World of Harry Potter in Florida! Best park ever, we go every year. You can see tours of the park on YouTube. The Harry Potter rides are incredible!
Robin Lee Melendez
2023-11-12 05:07:21 +0000 UTCHarry is no longer a Horcrux, Voldemort killed the piece of his soul in Harry.
KC
2023-11-12 01:46:28 +0000 UTCHi! Nice reaction. I would like to clarify some of your questions. Some of it is only covered in the books, and some of it is shown in the movies, but is really hasty so I understand why it can be unclear if you haven't read the books. 1. The shape of a corporal Patronus is associated with the memory that you use to cast it, and it can change over time. Harry's Patronus is a stag, like that of his father's, because his happiest memory is that of his parents. If I'm not mistaken Tonks's Patronus changed to a wolf when she started dating Lupin, who was a warewolf. Snape's patronus was a doe, same as Harry's mom's, which means after all these years his warmest and sincerest memories were still that of Harry's mom, which is why Dumbledore acted surprised when he saw it. 2. Voldemort initially meant to split his soul into 7 pieces, so 6 horcruxes (book, ring, locket, diadem, cup, snake) + himself. But prior to Voldemort no one has ever attempted to create more than one horcrux. Because he did this too many times his soul became unstable, so when his Avada Kedavra rebounded, a part of his soul accidentally split off and got into Harry, making him the 8th horcrux. Voldemort never intended for this to happen and didn't know about it. When Voldemort then Avada Kedavra'd Harry for the second time, he killed the part of his own soul inside him instead of killing Harry. So by the moment of the final fight there were only 2 pieces of his soul left - himself and the snake. 3. The reason Voldemort went to kill Harry in the first place was the prophecy. IIRC Voldemort didn't know the exact phrasing and details of the prophecy, but he knew there is a boy born on a specific date in a specific place, and one of them is going to have to kill the other. There was another boy that matched the criteria, Neville Longbottom, but Voldemort thought it was Harry and went after him, creating an unbreakable connection between them, kickstarting the whole sequence of events, and ultimately sealing both of their fates. So it was a self fulfilling prophecy. 4. One of the reasons Voldemort trusted Snape so much is because Voldemort was a brilliant occlument, which means that he could enter people's minds, and could normally easily tell when someone was lying to him. But Snape was able to resist it. The only other person who is known to have been able to lie Voldemort in the face was Narcissa Malfoy, because only protective love can give someone strong enough resolve to resist Voldemort's occlumency. 5. Voldemort's primary motivation is just staying alive and in power forever, making him one of the most realistic villains of all times IMO. There is not a single person, concept or idea that Voldemort loves, other than himself, so he is terrified shitless of dying, that's why he created the horcruxes and went after Harry. Harry who sacrifices himself for his friends and ideals and is fearless in the face of death is the polar opposite of him. Voldemort also tends to underestimate love and ideals, viewing them as some stupidity for weaklings, and this is also part of the reason why Dumbledore and Snape were able to fool him. He just couldn't comprehend the idea that a powerful wizard like Dumbledore would die willingly. 6. Voldemort's mother was a witch, and a successor of Salazar Slytherin. She used a love potion on Voldemort's father, who was a muggle. IIRC as soon as the potion wore off he dumped her, and she wound up in the streets in winter while pregnant with Tom, because her family also hated her for marrying a muggle. She made it to the orphanage and died there shortly after giving birth to Tom. 7. After Voldemort's demise, Kingsley Shacklebolt (the black guy from the Order of Phoenix) became the minister of magic. Umbridge was sentenced to life in Azkaban for persecuting half-bloods and squibs (squibs are people who live with wizards but don't have abilities, like Filch). Malfoys were pardoned because Harry himself petitioned to release them, since both Draco and Narcissa saved him. 8. One thing that I'm really sad they didn't show in the movie, is that Dudley Dursley started to warm up to Harry after Harry saved him from the dementors. He started to do little clumsy friendly gestures like putting tea on his doorstep, that Harry didn't realize until later were friendly, and thought were some sort of mockery. It was really cute and funny in the books, and they even became friends eventually. 9. Bellatrix was THE most skilled death eater. She captured Neville's parents, very gifted wizards, she killed Sirius Black, an extraordinary wizard. Molly Weasly comes from a strong magic family, but is not exactly known as an experienced duelist. She carried it on pure mother's RAGE. One of my favorite moments, and really well executed by the brilliant actresses in the movie. 10. While I'm on it. Sirius Black escaped from the Azkaban by turning into a dog, who are kind of immune to the dementors. Turning into an animal is an exceptionally rare and hard skill to learn, we are not even sure if Dumbledore can do it. Sirius and Peter both learned it in their student years, to support their friend Lupin, who felt defective because of his warewolfiness. Really shows what good friends they were, it is really sad that fear got the better of Peter and corrupted him so much. Btw Peter's got chocked to death by his magic hand that Voldemort gave to him in book 4.
Kit
2023-11-10 22:14:50 +0000 UTCI might have missed hearing it if you guys realized, or if someone else already mentioned it in the comments, but Fun fact. The actor who played Aberforth Dumbledore, Ciarán Hinds, is the same actor who played Mance Rayder in GOT.
Ray
2023-11-10 17:54:59 +0000 UTCSo I was not a book reader eithe, except for book 1 when it came out. My cousin got me into the movies, (he read the books) and my reactions were almost identical to yours. The flashback with Snape was my favourite part of the whole series and yet, I was so confused as well. I found some explanation videos on YouTube that really helped with that, as well as connecting family trees and who was related to who. Also, there’s a deleted scene with Draco I think, that helps. And I didn’t like how fast Bellatrix died..
Betty Alice
2023-11-10 15:55:55 +0000 UTCGotta read/listen to the books now! I watched the movies first and it made the books that much better to enjoy. They definitely fill in gaps and have fun additional parts.
Zgilly21
2023-11-10 15:20:32 +0000 UTCI'd really love you to watch "Harry Potter 20th Anniversary: Return to Hogwarts" movie/documentary. It's very emotional and funny ♡
martatiny
2023-11-09 22:48:40 +0000 UTCRead
Harrison
2023-11-09 22:18:11 +0000 UTCYou really need to watch the books
Harrison
2023-11-09 22:18:06 +0000 UTCYour patronus takes the form of your true love
Harrison
2023-11-09 22:01:26 +0000 UTCSo unfortunate this movie was a flop. Harry potter didn’t live up to the hype. Epic fail
Bean
2023-11-09 21:58:34 +0000 UTCIn case you’re wondering abt the future, Harry’s son *chooses* slytherin. Also the books have way more answers and you’ll probably be a bit disappointed with the movies if you read the books.
Alibium
2023-11-09 18:10:54 +0000 UTCWish you guys had gotten the full house elf story from the books as you enjoyed Dobby so much. And the story behind Regulas Black, which is connected to the house elves. The reason that it would’ve been a problem to present Bellatrix’s wand at Gringotts is because the fact that Bellatrix had lost her wand had been reported. While the goblins did use the wands as a form of identification, they knew that Bellatrix’s wand had gone missing. Since you guys really liked both Dobby and Gollum/Sméagol, use should watch an MTV award show where Andy Serkis received an award for the Two Towers. Gollum shows up and says I’m very rude things about Dobby!
Blackeyedlily
2023-11-09 14:52:43 +0000 UTCLoved watching this journey with you two! I think a lot of your unanswered questions and lack of resolve is found in the books, not the movies. There's only so much they can squeeze into 2-3 hours at a time and to cover every nuance found in the books, each movie would need to be 9 hours long. Would highly recommend watching or listening to the books. :)
Max Schmitz
2023-11-09 14:23:46 +0000 UTCReally enjoyed this journey with you guys! I don't know which movies your're gonna watch next but I really hope you consider watching some Tarantino movies like Kill Bill, Inglorious Basterds or Django next <3
SleeplessCSGO
2023-11-09 13:00:36 +0000 UTCExactly now that voldemort is gone, we can see the bridge between the divided houses be closed together and it would start with Harry’s son, the very existence of the most Gryffindor person there could ever be and his son is placed into Slytherin. Perfect close-nit ending to a dark history and a new dawn.
Ibrahim Emin
2023-11-09 09:34:55 +0000 UTCSmall comment about why they didn't show the goblin Bellatrix's wand in the bank: she'd reported it stolen so it could've made them more suspicious.
Woody Scales
2023-11-09 02:25:13 +0000 UTCI don't buy that idea that the movies would have been too long considering there was so much of the movie wasted on pointless things. Like Bellatrix attacking the Burrow, just a waste of time
sincethelasttime
2023-11-09 01:14:33 +0000 UTCHarry Potter is the books, the movies are a fairly lazy, cash grab summary of the books. It is a crime to watch the movies first
sincethelasttime
2023-11-09 01:12:58 +0000 UTCI wholeheartedly agree! I think both Snap and Draco were made to be more likable in the movies. Definitely snap me more so, but in the books he was honestly terrible. He didn’t even want James and Harry saved, he only cared about Lily, and the way he bullied the students, especially Neville was just atrocious. He was a disposable character in the books.
Ismail Chettfour
2023-11-08 23:09:52 +0000 UTCAlso, the Half Blood-Prince is probably one of the most interesting books of the whole series as it provides much more memories of Voldemort and we get his whole backstory (the story Spartan asked for but unfortunately did not get in the movies). We learn about his parents, how he got to the orphanage, where he went after graduation from Hogwarts etc. - which later comes very handy when Harry is looking for horcruxes. This is why HBP is my least favorite movie because they focused so much on romances between teenagers and some small unimportant stuff (which they also kind of blew because book Ginny is one of the best characters, she is such a badass, and in the movie she is like 'Ginny who?') where there was so much source material to be shown and we only got what - like 2 flashbacks about Voldemort. It was all very important to the whole story and also the backstory itself was insanely good. I do hope they make a spin off on Voldemort some day, it would make a great movie or series.
Joanna Kowal
2023-11-08 22:00:54 +0000 UTCAlso the movies' Snape is much more likable as a character and part of me is mad they made him such a hero of the movies. It is probably also because Alan Rickman did such a fine job playing the character. But books' Snape was awful to Harry and all students, he never gave any hint that he might like Harry and always despised him. In the books I was always wandering how is it possible to treat the son of the supposed love of your life in that way. In books he was very much a deatheater, he shared Voldemorts ideas on pureblood and mudbloods and that is how he and Lily grew apart (in his Hogwarts times he started to run with children who later just like him became death eaters and joined Voldemort). He even called her a mudblood and that's one of the reasons their friendship got ruined. He was a bad person who was very bitter vindictive towards other non-slytherin students and this is why James and his friends bullied him (not justifying it, but it is not like they were teasing some innocent boy). I never understood in the book why Harry was so quick to forget all that and named his son after him. He sacrificed for Harry but he was awful to him his whole life and he constantly spoke ill of James and also Sirius and Lupin. So in my opinion he was a hero at some point, but definitely not a hero of the story. There were many great characters that were always good and fought for the right side and I prefer to celebrate them. But as I said - I totally understand that being your opinion after the movies, because they showed him in a very different light.
Joanna Kowal
2023-11-08 21:47:56 +0000 UTCGuys you should definitely watch the anniversary special on HBO Max - it is so beautifully done with all the cast and directors. I am sure you will enjoy it very much and you will learn so much about how the movies were made and how the cast was chosen, them growing up on the set etc. I would love to see you react to this as a closure of this journey we went on together!
Joanna Kowal
2023-11-08 21:38:37 +0000 UTCAlso, the Doe patroness was Harry’s moms. So when snap cast his own and it’s a doe it tells Dumbledore that snaps happy memories are still of Lily, even after all this time
Heather VanDyke
2023-11-08 21:02:52 +0000 UTCVoldemort definitely reads like a stand in for Hitler. His goal of “pure blood” isn’t far off from Hitler’s idea of a racial hierarchy. That is his main motivation in the books and the reason he hates his father. When Voldemort finds Harry as a baby, he has no issues killing him and his parents because the prophecy lead him to believe Harry would be his downfall. Fun fact, the prophecy mentions one boy of a certain age, born in a certain month. In the end, Voldemort goes after Harry, but in the books Neville also fits the prophecy description, and could have been speaking of him.
Heather VanDyke
2023-11-08 21:01:41 +0000 UTCIn the books, the theme of prejudice is much more apparent. Voldemort doesn’t just hate muggles, he also hates all magical creatures that aren’t human. It delves into the issue of the house elves a lot more. For example, house elves actually run the kitchens at Hogwarts, and are not paid. They are treated basically like slaves. Hermione resents this and starts an organization to help house elves and even convinces Dumbledore to pay them wages (which Dobby uses to buy knitting supplies and make the kids hats). Ron, like many wizard families, saw nothing wrong with the treatment of house elves and insisted since they were compliant, they “liked” to do all of these chores and tasks. So, this is all context for Ron and Hermione’s kiss lol. After they destroy the horcrux, Hermione says they should get going to join the others. Ron stops her and says something to the effect of “Wait, we have to go down to the kitchens and tell the house elves what’s happening so they can escape!” And Hermione responds to that with a big kiss
Lillian Davis
2023-11-08 20:28:53 +0000 UTCAnd like Ron and Nevill have said it’s bigger than Harry it always had been so there doesn’t need to be a big celebration I mean they also lost a lot of people too so they need to grieve. And then the Weasleys just lost one of their children (Fred). I think some people need to grieve first before they celebrate.
Amber Wilmot
2023-11-08 17:45:09 +0000 UTCThere was a lot they weren’t able to put in cuz it would’ve made them movie too long kinda would’ve been cool if they had stretched it and made a Part 3 lol but you’ve got to read the books cuz there’s a bunch you guys don’t know about that they didn’t or couldn’t put in. So definitely read the books or listen to an audio 😊👍💚
Amber Wilmot
2023-11-08 17:41:37 +0000 UTCLol. Well if it helps, there's an edit button for the comments. I have to use it all the time.
Jonathanese
2023-11-08 17:06:10 +0000 UTCI know you guys said you’re going to do the quizzes but seriously you guys would love the reunion video
Kodi
2023-11-08 16:31:26 +0000 UTCI’m sorry to say this, but I’ve always felt that you can’t FULLY appreciate the movies unless you’ve read the books first. In some ways I think the movies were made for the fans. Of course they are entertaining and wonderfully made in so many ways, but there are also so many decisions they made that don’t make sense if you don’t have the back story. Aberforths mirror for example. Like how the hell did Harry get one piece of it? Well it’s all explained in the books with a heartbreaking story to it. You pretty much get Dumbledores and Voldemorts whole back story in the books and both are so fascinating. There IS a quick celebration after Harry kills Voldemort and I cry every time I read it. And lastly, as someone who detests Snape with a passion, his memories are for me the most satisfying part in this whole series. Especially since in the books it’s not at all obvious that he is a good guy. My friend had that theory but I refused to believe it because I didn’t WANT to believe it. That’s how much I disliked his character. And before someone jumps on me for this: I still hate the Snape the person, but the memories reveal made him one of the most fascinating and complex characters I’ve ever read. Still don’t love that Harry gave his son his name but that’s another story. In the movies we only get bits and pieces of all this which is really nice when you have all the back story, but I totally understand if it feels like something is missing or there are still unanswered questions when all you know is what’s shown to you. And I know it can be annoying when people keeps saying “in the books”, but seriously, the books answers pretty much all of Spartans questions. We keep saying it for a reason. Anyways, love watching your reactions, I subscribed just to watch this video!
elli
2023-11-08 16:24:09 +0000 UTCThe ending really is bad comparatively. I was never big on the movies but I thought 2 movies for the 7th book would have allowed them to adapt the book better.
jxm82
2023-11-08 15:36:26 +0000 UTCI agree Spartan the end scenes could have been executed much better
Chef Nourhan Malik
2023-11-08 15:29:53 +0000 UTCSorry Pudgey but you weren't right ^^ Harry WAS a Horcrux but Voldemort using the Avada Kedavra curse on him killed it. That was what the whole scene at the "train station" with Dumbledore was about, that that part of him was dead. The last 2 parts of the soul were the snake and of course, Voldemort himself, as a body cannot live without a soul (in this universe at least) As for the ending, the way Voldemort's death is portrayed will always piss me off. In the books it was done SO much better (but a lot of things from the books were changed, Ron for instance got a lot of the short stick in the movies, having a lot of his smarts be taken over by Hermoine)
Emily
2023-11-08 15:22:14 +0000 UTCI love that every horecrux was destroyed by a different person. Harry may have been the chosen one, but several parts of Voldie’s soul were destroyed by Harry’s allies. It had to be a team effort to end Voldie.
Don’tDrinkTheLuminol
2023-11-08 14:06:48 +0000 UTCAgree with Spartan, the ending scenes kind of whimpered out
Franky E
2023-11-08 13:25:26 +0000 UTCHarry Potter movies weren’t Disney… they’re Warner Brothers
Franky E
2023-11-08 12:15:32 +0000 UTCHarry was a horcrux, but when he went into the forest and voldemort 'killed' him, he destroyed the piece of his soul inside him. So harry was no longer a horcrux afterwards
Josh Ashford
2023-11-08 12:06:55 +0000 UTCLily’s patronus was indeed a doe :)
Jan
2023-11-08 11:12:10 +0000 UTCI know everyone will say this but a lot of your questions would be covered in the books. That being said you gotta realize that these are Disney movies so the violence is really shown. Like Voldemort doesn’t turn into dust he just falls over dead like every other person something he feared. You get Voldemorts whole back story in the books. I actually have no problems with what they changed from the book when you think of all the information you try to cram into a movie. Like there is a reason Harry has to go back to the dursleys every summer. And it ties into how Harry’s sacrifice at the end helps protect those at hogwarts. My only issue is Harry does not. I repeat does NOT snap the elder wand he uses it to repair his wand and returns it back to dumbledore. Like I said the books have so many answers in them. I hope the series they come out with is true to the books.
Terry Worley
2023-11-08 10:51:57 +0000 UTCActed perfectly by the late Alan Rickman may he rest in peace. By far my favorite character in the series. But there were so many really... Ralph Fiennes ( Voldemort ) , Helena Bonham Carter ( Bellatrix Lastrange ), Maggie Smith ( Minerva McGonagall ), etc... so many good actors in these movies playing characters that are now iconic no small thanks to them.
neutchain
2023-11-08 10:27:45 +0000 UTCI dunno if you noticed but in McGonagall vs Snape, he knocked out both death eaters and took their wands before fleeing
Nyarung
2023-11-08 09:20:57 +0000 UTCI still love that Harry saving Draco really did come around to help him in the end. He could have left Draco behind, but had he done that, who knows how Draco's mother would have answered when she was asked if he was dead. I feel like it highlights how compassion for those on the other side can be a strength.
Erinn
2023-11-08 09:08:46 +0000 UTCBro split his soul until it was a shard and shoved it into a pale snake abomination I don't know of any "regular man" that does these things or looks like that. It makes sense that a body created through magic would expire that way. It has nothing to do with his humanity or power level. Even if it did he 𝐢𝐬 a powerful force and unhuman in the sense of supernatural ability, morals, and probably biologically so that checks out as well. I think you just want to see him humiliated lol
Wub
2023-11-08 08:46:41 +0000 UTCWould you ever do a live watch party to rewatch any of the HP movies?
CountFurfur
2023-11-08 08:40:48 +0000 UTCLove Spartan and Pudgey and their belief in the disbelief of magic (nothing may be as it seems) but as someone who watched all the movies before reading the books. I will say a lot of things still hit for me that didn’t for them because I will say I think at certain moments their searching for a “catch” or trying to predict what was going to happen kept them for truly understanding what was happening. Granted so much discussion about Patronus is left out of the movie if you go to Lupin’s talk with Harry and and the pure form it takes even without detail it’s not hard to grasp that Snape and Lily having the same Patronus is reflective of love and connection. Again completely understand confusion on how that happens and why so no hate it’s just sad as a huge Potterhead the way things didn’t connect with them because they kind of tried to analyze so deeply
Tellytells
2023-11-08 07:37:42 +0000 UTCThis may have been covered in the 250+ comments on the uncut reaction (!) but fyi: the actor (Ciarán Hinds) playing Dumbeldore's brother is the same one who played Mance Rayder in GoT. Alan Rickman (Snape) was an absolutely amazing actor famous for his distinctive voice & delicious line delivery, and known for playing wickedly sardonic & sarcastic characters... glad you appreciate his talent properly here. (RIP Alan) Professor McGonagall's first name is Minerva. I almost fell off my chair when you called her Dolores, which is the first name of (your most hated sneaky snake) Umbridge, ha ha! Apologies to Minerva are in order, I think. 100 points to House Spartan & Pudgey for (in no particular order) remembering Moaning Myrtle's name, correctly guessing the Room of Requirement was where the diadem was hidden, that Nagini (the snake) was a Horcrux, that Harry was an accidental Horcrux, and that Snape loved Lily his whole life. (Split the points equally so you don't argue, ok? ;) Very glad you enjoyed your magical HP journey and it was fun to go along with you for the ride. I never get tired of revisiting this world and I suspect you won't either. :)
DominaZeta
2023-11-08 07:29:11 +0000 UTCI fully agree. So many things are left out or not really explained in the movies in order to fully appreciate the story. To me the movies were a fun addition to the books. But I always feel a bit sorry for people who only watched the movies because of how much of the story that they miss out on.
Blackeyedlily
2023-11-08 07:11:20 +0000 UTCYou two should really watch the 20th anniversary. I know it's not usually the kind of video you react to, but it's really well done and gives lots of great behind the scenes content.
Rudy
2023-11-08 06:08:38 +0000 UTCYou guys should definitely do a live, or a Q&A of Harry Potter, it be interesting considering it’s been a couple days since you guys finished the series? Maybe we can some questions you guys had, and we can discuss it a little more 🙃
Joanna 🌚
2023-11-08 05:52:04 +0000 UTCAgreed on Spartan’s mindset there. I think a simpler way to answer his question is by asking another: “(Spartan), would you be celebrating if many of your friends and peers were just killed next to you?” You won, but at what cost?
Eric
2023-11-08 05:11:27 +0000 UTC“Something about the way he (Voldemort) talks just makes me crack up” oh brother you have no idea what you’re in for
Olivia
2023-11-08 05:04:31 +0000 UTCThese reactions really highlighted to me how many important details the movies missed that could lead to monumental moments not properly landing as intended on someone who hasn’t read the books. I felt the lack of thorough explanation lead to some huge moments (Snape’s memories, Voldemort’s death, etc.) falling a bit flat on Spartan & Pudgey. I generally love their inquisitive reaction style, but it almost felt like they were both so caught up on trying to understand the convoluted storylines that they were left more confused than emotionally impacted. This is why I can’t recommend enough either reading or listening to the books to truly appreciate how well constructed this story is. That said, this was a great reaction and I loved re-experiencing the entire Harry Potter series with y’all @Spartan & @Pudgey!🖤 (please keep in mind this is just my opinion fellow Patreoners😂)
Eric
2023-11-08 05:00:02 +0000 UTCI was looking forward to the Snape reveal the entire time. Personally I think he's one of the greatest characters written. Spartan is right if you watch the memories scene a few more times you will connect a bit more. His spell being a Doe is reflective of his constant love for Lily. "Lily, after all this time?" "Always". It's interesting because Lily says the same thing to Harry when he's chatting with the spirits. Now that you know he was deep undercover you can reflect on many things he did in previous books / years that were instrumental in protecting or helping Harry. Crazy good character.
Cat Dee
2023-11-08 04:15:48 +0000 UTCThere are a lot of unanswered questions left after the movie timeline ends, so I empathize with you guys! Like many have already said, all of your questions are indeed answered in the books. I always appreciated the emotional beats of this particular film, but yes the storyline does feel *extremely* rushed! I've always wondered how everyone, who hasn't read the books, interprets the films, so HP reactions are so fun haha, but I've loved hearing your takes and enjoyed the journey! Thanks for sharing! I really do think the Deathly Hallows Part 1 is (in my opinion) the best book-to-film adaptation, the tone, the stakes, the 'on the run' feel of it really nails the adult themes, with the mystery and the hopelessness feel that most of the 7th book has. It's hard to say which film is my favorite but I agree with Spartan it's a toss up between DH Pt. 1 and the Order of the Phoenix! Although Prisoner of Azkaban is high up on the list too 😎 Anyway glad to see y'all enjoy the HP journey, look forward to checking out more reactions 🙌🏼
Jeremy Shay
2023-11-08 03:37:17 +0000 UTCPLEASE STOP SPOILING FROM HARRY POTTER CONTENT THEY HAVE NOT READ/WATCHED. I have had to ask several people to remove or edit comments. Please keep it within the realm of the main HP series. Not Cursed Child, not Fantastic Beasts, not Beetle the Bard of whatever it is. Please! THANK YOU!!! And also thank you for joining S&P on this Harry Pottter journey!
SuddenImpulse
2023-11-08 02:29:14 +0000 UTC"Why is there no celebration?" Lol. I feel like Spartan has a very "glory of battle" mindset here. During 9/11, there was a plane headed for the Capitol of the US. But the passengers realized what was going on, and stood up to the pilots, flipping the plane upside down and crashing it to the ground, defeating the bombers and thwarting an attack directly on the Capitol. There was no celebration. There were memorials. Do you celebrate the death of a whole plane of people just because something horrible prevented something worse? Do you celebrate because "The world trade center was flattened and thousands died....but they didn't get the Capitol! Haha!" Or say an axe murderer breaks into your home and kills half of your kids. But you managed to use his axe against him and take him down. "haha, I have defeated the intruder! Let's celebrate with the remaining kids!" To me, that was one thing I loved about this. It wasn't about the glory of battle of the pride of victory, it was about the horror of war.
Jonathanese
2023-11-08 01:49:08 +0000 UTCAlso "loved her". I really need to read my posts before sending
Cynthia Goldman
2023-11-08 01:43:03 +0000 UTC" also a doe" typo. Sorry
Cynthia Goldman
2023-11-08 01:41:17 +0000 UTCI think most of your frustration/confusion with this movie is much better explained in the books. Also the movies started before the books were done. Some of the book parts that were cut ended up being important. Also the doe petronus was Lily's. The fact that Snapes was also a die was testament that he lived her even as children.
Cynthia Goldman
2023-11-08 01:40:29 +0000 UTC"Neville killed the snake and then voldemort just vanished" People were actually bothered by this. Not because it was anticlimactic, but because it was too mystical. In the books, he basically just falls to the ground. Dying like the regular man he is. A mystical death portrays him as some powerful force of nature beyond human. His limp corpose just falling to the ground reveals all he really was in the end.
Jonathanese
2023-11-08 01:39:46 +0000 UTCThe point of Tom needing to be the one to kill Harry was that Harry was the horcrux Tom created unintentionally so he had to kill it unintentionally. Nagini is the last horcrux so once Neville kills it, Voldemort is mortal.
Ludus Aurea
2023-11-08 01:26:58 +0000 UTCAlbus Severus Potter is destined to become a Slytherin. His initials spell Asp. And I think it is also fitting and symbolic that the next generation could heal the divisions between Slytherin and Gryffindor, which are far deeper than the normal school team rivalry that exists between the different school houses.
Blackeyedlily
2023-11-08 01:07:47 +0000 UTCJust want to say kudos for typing all of this out for them!!! As great as the movies are as adaptations, it's a bummer so much extra context had to be left out.
Storm
2023-11-08 00:52:31 +0000 UTCJust wanna say: Pudgey guessed correctly in the HBP that Harry was a horcrux and Spartan guessed that Dumbledore was actually begging Snape to kill him. The reason you feel like there isn't "closure" on everything is because of things in the books that were left out of the films. The last book was cut into two films but there are still a lot of details missing. It's time consuming and some things on page are just really hard to put on screen. To answer some of your questions and further explanations: The reason Voldemort killed Harry's parents was due to the prophecy that predicted that his downfall would be at the hands of a person born at the end of July to parents who had defied him three times and would have powers that he could not understand. Neville was also born at the end of July and his parents had defied Voldemort three times. Harry is "The Chosen One" mainly because Voldemort chose him. He saw Harry as his equal and tried to kill him as a baby because he believed Harry would be his ultimate downfall. In a weird way Voldemort respected Harry's parents' skills and considered their son a more dangerous threat than Neville. James and Lily were betrayed by Peter Pettigrew (who died in the DH book before the final battle). James was killed first, by the killing curse (same as Lily). In the flashback Snape walks past James' dead body on the stairs. Let's not forget his sacrifice either. Yes he was a bully in school but he grew up to be a good man who loved his family more than anything. He died protecting his wife and son. The deeper meaning of Snape's patronus changing into a doe like Lily's is the fact that Lily's Patronus only became a doe after she fell in love with James (to compliment his stag). In The Prisoner of Azkaban when Dumbledore explained to Harry that when he cast his Patronus, it was, in a way, his father appearing to protect him. Snape's Patronus changing into the same form that Lily's used to take was proof that she was still protecting Harry. Snape hated James (for good reason), but if his Patronus changed into the form that Lily's had taken only when she fell in love with James, it would mean that he had come to accept the choices that she had made and was genuinely determined to protect her son. As told in the Deathly Hallows story, the Resurrection Stone doesn't actually bring people back from the dead, it just temporarily calls the soul of the deceased back from the dead to Earth in a form somewhere between living people and ghosts. It's not explained in the film that Harry had stopped on his way to the forest when he remembered the snitch. Seeing his dead loved ones not only gave him the strength and courage to go through with letting Voldemort kill him, their spectral form visible only to him acted as Patronus' to get past the Dementors allied with Voldemort. There are multiple different elements that were keeping Harry alive: Lily's blood/sacrifice, him being the true master of The Elder Wand and therefore the true Master of Death (which doesn't make you immortal but simply means you accept death), but the main reason he didn't die is because, besides the fact that he chose to go back, it only killed the part of Voldemort's soul (the Horcrux) that was in him, and made him mortal. Dumbledore DID care for Harry. He knew that Harry would have to face Voldemort and "die" by his hand in order to trick Voldemort into destroying the horcrux inside Harry. He just couldn't let Snape know that. Voldermort had planned to split his soul in 7 pieces, which means 6 horcruxes AND his physical body. Then he would become mortal and could therefore be killed. But he unintentionally made the 7th horcrux when he turned Harry into one, therefore there were 8 pieces of his soul. While it's clear where Snape's loyalties lied, I keep seeing fans argue whether he was actually good or bad. Snape is a VERY complex character. The way he treated Harry (in public) was arguably despicable. Even if it was because of James it doesn't excuse it, or explain his treatment of Neville and other students. He was a bitter person and a bully. He was a Death Eater at one point. BUT, he had played the double (triple?) agent all this time and he did it all to save Harry, or more specifically, Lily's son. He transformed and risked his life to save the boy for whom Lily had died. Snape, despite all his flaws, could love. His love for Lily and his selfless act towards her son made him good. The fact that he could love without having been loved himself made him good. This next theory further proves Snape was good. Isn't a bit odd he put up no defense at all when Nagini attacked him? In the HBP Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to protect Draco, regardless of the danger to his own life. And when Voldemort tried to ask him who owned the Elder Wand, Snape said that it answered only to him. But Snape knew that the wand answered only to Draco. He had been Dumbledore's right-hand man for years and knew exactly how the wand worked. Snape sacrificed his life because Voldemort thought it belonged to him and killed him, but in the end it lead to his own defeat. If he betrayed Draco he would've broken his Unbreakable Vow. So if it had been anyone other than Draco he could have easily defended himself. But if he had escaped, Voldemort would have discovered the true owner of the Elder Wand sooner or later. So Snape was not only trying to save Harry but Draco as well. The scene where Snape was holding Lily's dead body is not in the book. At the same time, some of Snape's memories included in the book that are not seen in the film, is Snape apologising to Lily for calling her a Mudblood and the revelation that Petunia wrote to Dumbledore in the hopes that she could attend Hogwarts. When she wasn't accepted she felt rejected by the wizarding world and therefore resented it, which only grew worse when Lily was killed. Petunia pretended to hate her sister when she was in fact just jealous and scared. Harry had realised this to an extent back in the 5th book when he told his aunt and uncle that Lord Voldemort was back. Vernon had no idea who he was but Petunia immediately became terrified. At this moment, Harry realised that, to her, the magical world was a place that had taken her sister from her when she was a child, rejected her and later took Lily away again for good. She resented Harry so much because he reminded her of all of that. However, she did appear to care for him on some level. In Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Petunia is mentioned as having died a few years after Harry's second son Albus Severus started studying at Hogwarts. It is revealed she kept the blanket Harry was wrapped in when he first arrived at the Dursley's, and after her death Dudley sent it back to him (Harry and Dudley would stay on "Christmas card" terms for the rest of their lives). Not long after Alan Rickman started to play Severus Snape, J.K. Rowling told him, years ahead of the last book's publication, that Snape had been in love with Lily, and both his protection of, and antagonism toward Harry, came from that. She said she shared that with him because he needed to understand where this bitterness towards this boy, who's living proof of Lily's preference for another man (a man who had tormented him), came from. In the book Harry learns Dumbledore's darkest secret: That he may have killed his sister Ariana, or at least inadvertently caused her death. Ariana had trouble suppressing her magic as she accidentally killed their mother and required constant care and attention. In a duel between Dumbledore, his brother Aberforth, and Dumbledore's friend-turned-enemy Gellert Grindelwald (According to JKR, Dumbledore was gay and in love with Grindelwald), Ariana was killed, and none of them knew who cast the spell that caused her death. Harry and Voldemort's final duel played out very differently in the book. It was a super intense confrontation in the Great Hall with EVERYONE watching. Harry told Voldemort the truth about Snape and the Elder Wand, before using a Disarming Charm to defeat Voldemort once and for all. His death was very human as he dropped to the ground and left a body behind (they filmed that version: https://youtu.be/rFMxRv2Zaj0?si=7pYEUvBtE6wlvAbN). I remember being on the edge of my seat while reading it. While the film version is more visually pleasing it just didn't feel as intense or final. It also went against the original point that without magic Voldemort died just like any other man, and he was never actually as special as he believed. That's probably what I am most mad about regarding the book-to-film adaptations. In the book Harry used the Elder Wand to fix his and then returned it to Dumbledore's grave in hopes of dying of natural causes, which would leave the wand without a master and cause it to lose its power. While breaking it was surely safer, it made no sense why he wouldn't at least fix his wand first, since the Elder Wand was the only wand capable of mending broken wands! JKR says she always knew Hagrid would survive because she had always had an image of a grieving Hagrid carrying Harry's body back to Hogwarts, which was fitting, since it was Hagrid who carried him as a baby and also brought him into the wizarding world. Before the scene was shot where Hermione was pretending to be Bellatrix, Emma Watson acted out the scene for Helena Bonham Carter so she would know how to act as if she were Hermione in this situation. So, essentially, this scene is Helena acting like Emma acting as Hermione acting like Bellatrix. If you watch carefully in the duel between Snape and McGonagall, you can see that Snape deflected a spell cast from McGonagall, purposefully killing the Death Eater twins the Carrows behind him. This foreshadowed which side Snape was truly on. Regarding Draco, Lucius and Narcissa: Yes they were cowards. But they were also risking their lives by abandoning Voldemort. At this point Lucius was terrified of him and Narcissa only cared for Draco's safety. That's why she told Voldemort that Harry was dead (which made that the second time Harry was saved by a mother's love). Also, notice how Draco didn't come when his dad called him but as soon as his mum called him he did? I do wish they had kept one scene in as it would've been a definite statement from Draco. When Harry revealed that he was still alive, Draco was meant to betray the Death Eaters by throwing Harry his wand. The scene was filmed but not included in the final edit: https://youtu.be/V6m4vuT_pME?si=sYwtYueHmVskPSdD. I am still mad they didn't keep it in (or Harry and Dudley's interaction from Part 1). Speaking of: Draco married Astoria Greengrass, the younger sister of a fellow Slytherin. She had gone through a similar (though less violent and frightening) conversion from pure-blood ideals to a more tolerant life view and she refused to raise their son Scorpius in the belief that Muggles were scum. Because of that she was not accepted into the family, even after Draco stood up to his parents. At Hogwarts, Scorpius and Albus Severus, both in Slytherin, became great friends. Voldemort hugging Draco was not scripted but improv by Ralph Fiennes. Tom Felton genuinely didn't know how to react so the look of confusion and discomfort is real. If you really want to cry: When Harry revealed himself to be alive and everyone reacted with joy, if you look closely at George he started saying 'Fred' before remembering that he was dead. Harry lost the ability to speak Parseltongue after Voldemort killed the Horcrux inside him. Harry and Ginny's kids' names are Albus Severus, James Sirius and Lily Luna. Ron and Hermione's kids' names are Rose and Hugo. In the book, Neville and Luna unfortunately both go on to marry other people but in my mind they end up together. I'd love for you to react to the 20th anniversary special and maybe The Fantastic Beasts films as well (at least the first two).
Heida
2023-11-08 00:29:26 +0000 UTC
