Spartan & Pudgey's Final Thoughts - Game of Thrones Wrap Up Video

I am fine with your opinion of Stannis, in fact, I agree nearly 100%, but Shireen is definitely going to burn in the books.

J_Fley .

Are you insane?! No…no we don’t need to ask why they changed it. It’s not our fucking business to know all the ins and outs of how and why they feel a certain way about a fictional fantasy series. Do you not understand that that’s make believe and real life is different? I mean Jesus Christ…you need to get some perspective!

KatDorroughMusic

Okay, my mistake. Just look at the ending of 5x5 reaction. They say they have been told that season 5 is where it starts to go downhill, there were many negative comments as well, of course not to the extent of season 7/8. Im talking about honesty, not opinions. People can dislike what they want, but they should be honest why they dislike something. I didnt had anything against them for liked 8x5. Because that was their initial reaction without outside interference. Was i dissapointed they didnt understood it? Yes, but i dont held people accountable for not liking something. This Video was a 360 spin on allmost everything they said before and spent most of the time discrediting later seasons, espacially season 8, when they had no issues (season 5) or not as much issues (season 8) with it when they first saw it. They are also free to change their mind, but when Spartan starts putting the people responsible for the show on his hate list Like 10 minutes into the Video and Shows he got convinced by haters by spreading their lies and even admitting he didnt even bother to check whether or not people were speaking the truth, you cant tell me people worked them. Its obvious they would not have mentioned Star Wars, 10 Seasons and D&D and made a 360 on many opinions they earlier had, if outside sources didnt manipulate them in the first place. I said i am dissapointed by them. Not by the people, i know they cant let go off their lies they told over the past years, i thought S&P were strongerwilled to stick to THEIR opinion until the very end. Regarding the cracks: for season 5, watch their 5x5 reaction and what Spartan says at the end. They saw no cracks at all. They saw some cracks in 7 with 7x6 as it wasnt a perfect episode, but they didnt condemn entire season for it like some haters do. They started criticising season 8 more, yes. But i also believe that was mostly done to please haters. With the exception of 8x5. I believed them there they truly didnt like it. They were never gonna lose viewers, because season 8 haters are hypocrits. They watched first episode of House of the dragon sooner than anyone else, despite them claiming Brand is dead for 3 years. But S&P dont know that. Well, they still gave the show a 9 out of 10 at the end, wich shows the Final season didnt ruin everything for them. Of course season 8 wasnt their favorite season, but that was never the point. It was doing a 360 and agreeing with every haters viewpoints. About arya killing night and not jon, the long night, about bran being king, people even archieved them to hate stannis ending, wich happened last century. Those are all points they were perfectly fine with, before they finished it. They never stated their urge for 10 seasons before this Video. People tell they rushed the ending to justify their pointless criticism and hate, they have to pretend storytellers didnt care anymire, so its fine to insult them and the ending. Because otherwise those people would be assholes. There was no need to create lie for BBs Final Season because 1. It was never as big as game of thrones to begin with, so a much smaller Fanbase. 2. A much more reasonable fanbase that didnt invented cults for theur favorite characters. 3. Not having as large of a fanbase ensured that there were not as many Marvel, disney viewers around who expect to be treated the same as with every Blockbuster movie: not much thought provoking Story with no lessons to learn, only made to please the masses not educate them. 4. There were like 0 fantheories going into BBs Final Season. GoT had like 1000. So 1000 more reasons to be dissapointed. 5. There was no unfinished source material to add to the frustration. Season 8 is objectively the biggest accomplishment in tv history. A misunderstood masterpiece.

DrückebergerTV

Man it's cool you guys liked the last few seasons. Don't be bullied to change your minds

Christian

No, I wrote that, before he deleted his original comment, you confused me with him, i said he was wrong and that you meant season 5. Who tf wants them to hate s5?? Nobody wants them to hate anything, people share their opinion in comments because that's what comments are for. The only person who wants to influence them is you, nobody had anything against them when they liked 7x6, in fact it was more fun to watch that way, people shared their frustration at the show not at S&P. But when they don't like something you get extremely defensive and angry, at them and at everybody else, as if you made this show, i don't think even D&D would get this butthurt. So let me get this straight, are you saying that they don't see the cracks in the writing and are lying in this video to please the viewers? That would be really weird because they could have done that during season 7, but they loved it and didn't lose the viewers. Or are you saying that they really do see the cracks in writing and are being influenced to think that way? Brother, reading anything about D&D, star wars and 10 seasons cannot influence what you think about the show itself, so stop repeating it, it's irrelevant. If s&p truly feel season 8 is as good as any season, no amount of d&d, star wars and 10 seasons comments could change that, the fact that Spartan said what he said about d&d and 10 seasons, prooves that he is DISSATISFIED with how the show ended. Imagine if someone read that Vince Gilligan rushed BB to work on something else, would they suddenly hate season 5 of BB and say it should have been 7 seasons instead? Obviously not, no matter what you say, you can't change facts, and this is the last time I'm gonna say this, season 8 is OBJECTIVELY worse than any other season, anyone with half a brain can see that, it has nothing to do with reading about star wars and 10 seasons, PERIOD!

Milorad

Are you the same Person as Jaroslav Dočekal? He wrote the exact same thing before he deleted everything. Do you pay double? They can change their opinion but we need to ask why did they change it. Because they truly had issues with those flaws? or because people told them about them afterwards and wanted them to condenm them? I think its the latter. There was no retrospective of hate with season 5. This season was already hated online when it initially aired. S&P loved this season more than season 4 when they initially saw it. My prove is: their 5x5 reaction. Watch what Spartan says at the end of the reaction. And that was before Cerseis Imprisonment, Hardhome, Dance of Dragons and Mothers Mercy Episodes. And now after all outside forces crashing down on him: he doesnt even dare to mention season 5 when it was about Ranking all the seasons. They were obviously influenced. How are they pleasing the masses by lying and saying they love season 5? People wanted them to hate this season. If they were about pleasing the masses then they could have simply joined them then and there and agreed how much worse it had gotten. But they didnt. "Natural"... i guess i missed all the clues and hints that hinted towards "D&D Bad", "Star Wars" or "10 Seasons" in season 8. But of course those are the exact thoughts by someone who just finished the show, let the entire story sink in and realize its true meaning and purpose...Ridiculous. Who are you trying to fool? Both of you.

DrückebergerTV

You seem to hold on to every little thing that supports your agenda, and dismiss everything that doesn't. They can change their opinion, most of the people haven't seen the flaws at the time of watching. Like you don't understand the concept of retrospective. This has been said to you MANY times, but you still hold on to the idea that they are being disgenuine. You don't have any proof of that, that's your assumption thay you can't back up, just as you claim what they are saying in this video is to please the masses, i can as well claim that they at the time lied that they like S5 and overreacted to please the masses, since most people still like S5. You see how that works? It's dumb. But I'm not gonna claim that because i have some respect for them, unlike you. The moment they don't share your opinion, you start inventing crazy mind gymnastics of how they're not honest. They are allowed to change their opinion, like most of us did, when everything sinked in. What they are saying in this video is completely natural and resembles most people's experiences with this show, it's a natural thought process with retrospective, nothing to do with pleasing the people.

Milorad

They enjoyed season 5 more than season 4 and are now afraid to even mention it. Jaroslav Dočekal just had to delete entire conversation because people told him he was wrong and he cant take it.

DrückebergerTV

Jaroslav Dočekal just had to delete the entire conversation. Even other people told him how wrong he was, and he cant take it.

DrückebergerTV

Of course they can change their opinion, but we need to ask why. Because they really have more issues with it than initially or because people want them to have more issues with it? I think its the latter. Season 5 was already destroyed when it aired, there was no retrospective hating on it. Initially it was hated online and initially S&P loved it. Thats how it is. Why would they lie and say they loved season 5, when they didnt? That would hurt them more than the other way around, people wanted them to hate season 5 and they didnt. I already stated my prove; go back and watch the end of their 5x5 reaction. "Natural"... i guess i missed every natural mention of Star wars in season 8s episodes.

DrückebergerTV

You seem to hold on to every little thing that supports your agenda, and dismiss everything that doesn't. They can change their opinion, most of the people haven't seen the flaws at the time of watching. Like you don't understand the concept of retrospective. This has been said to you MANY times, but you still hold on to the idea that they are being disgenuine. You don't have any proof of that, that's your assumption thay you can't back up, just as you claim what they are saying in this video is to please the masses, i can just as well claim that they at the time lied that they like S5 and overreacted to please the masses, since most people still like S5. You see how that works? It's dumb. But I'm not gonna claim that because i have some respect for them, unlike you. The moment they don't share your opinion, you start inventing crazy mind gymnastics of how they're not honest. They are allowed to change their opinion, like most of us did, when everything sinked in. What they are saying in this video is completely natural and resembles most people's experiences with this show, it's a natural thought process with retrospective, nothing to do with pleasing the people.

Milorad

I dont put words in their mouths at all. Watch 5x5 reaction and see how spartan Talks about this season then. And that was before Cerseis Imprisonment, Hardome, Dance of Dragons or Mothers Mercy episodes... and how he doesnt talk about it now at all.

DrückebergerTV

George deserves all the praise for writing these amazing books and creating that World. Just like D&D deserve for running the show for over 10 years. Their place on Spartans hate list feels like a parody. He hates people he didnt know existed a few days earlier

DrückebergerTV

Daniel, lets face the music: without the show, majority would not even know books exist and they did an amazing Job from the get go. Georges involment always gets overblown. He wrote 1 script for 1 episode for first 4 seasons each. Thats it. They had to edit his last episode too much because it was written more like a novel chapter than actual TV episode script and thats why he left them. His excuse was for leaving was "focus on winds". Well that was 9 years ago and still no winds in sight.

DrückebergerTV

I pretty much always disagree with Druck, and i don't like how he puts words in their mouth, and thinks he can read their minds on what they enjoyed more and inform us about it, that's really disrespectful, he really thinks low of S&P! That being said, he meant S5 here, it's obvious, Jaroslav sorry but you're wrong.

Milorad

Very mature and nice Response.

DrückebergerTV

Jaroslav, stop insulting Jake. With "this season" i meant Season 5 because thats what you were refering to. No wonder you have issues understanding the story, if you cant receive that properly. Judging from their reactions i was suprised how "cold" season 4 left them and how hyped they were about season 5. They enjoyed one of the "worst" seasons more than the "best". Of course they can say they changed their mind now because of negative influence but their initial reaction is set in stone.

DrückebergerTV

Can’t remember all the topics hit on during this video but I know my least favorite arc is probably Jaime’s (who i feel like they were gonna say but blanked on it at that moment), actors were those of Joffrey and Theon though 99% of the acting in this show is amazing. Favorite music (hard to choose since Ramin is a fucking genius) but Light of the Seven is sooo good I walked down the aisle to it at my wedding. The music when Dany walks to the throne and as Drogon flies away with her in the finale are close for me too. Things I wish had been expanded on more are Jon’s parentage meaning more and the White Walkers. We got basically no knowledge of them besides “they want to erase all humans and memories”. Like what were those shapes they made with the bodies of their victims? What was the significance of those because it seemed like more? And if I had to bring someone back to see it would be Ned or Cat so they could see their children’s fates and maybe Cat would finally know about Jon.

AG

If you don't think George did most the legwork then your delusional. Guy literally created this universe. HoTD and any other spinoff that may or may not come is because of his incredible world building. DnD were not his caliber when it came to writing this story. They still had good stuff after they ran out of source material even though they never hit the peak of earlier seasons. Like I said, my main issue was not the plot points they came up with but the fact that they rushed to end what was otherwise an amazing series. Their place on Spartan's hate list and any hate list is appropriate.

Daniel Castro

No more excuses. You are actually RETARDED. Drucke has been defending season 8 for a long time here, if you don't know that, your problem. Drucke was talking about season 8, not 5. YOU ARE RETARD.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Joker, the OP is talking about Season 5, When Drucke says "this season" in his response he means that Season. Obviously he knows they did not like Season 8 and it's clear that they did mention it in this video, more than any other. Not sure I agree that they liked Season 5 more, but that is what he meant.

Jake Follain

Bro do you have brain damage, ur actually trying to say they enjoyed that season over the best season in the show

TheRoguePrince19

You specifically said "I think you forgot about season 5 in your rankings", and his response was "They enjoyed this season more than season 4 and are now afraid to even mention it." He is not talking about Season 8 here when he said "this season", clearly, as Season 8 was mentioned far more than any other in this video and certainly was in the list, and he knows they obviously didn't enjoy it more than Season 4. He's responding to your comment remember, you know, the one specifically talking about Season 5 not being mentioned. That is the season he is referring to. Nothing at all to do with Season 8 let alone any specific episode. Like Kat said, slow and careful reading helps here.

Jake Follain

Haha same! Slow careful reading…works like a charm every time.

KatDorroughMusic

Jesus, learn to read. I wrote: "I think you have some kind of mental illness. They hated episode 5." DrückebergerTV was talking about season 8 in his comment.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Both Jaroslav and Drucke are talking about Season 5 in the first 2 comments, Season 8 episode 5 was not mentioned at all. Him saying "they hated episode 5" makes no sense, so I presumed he meant to say season 5. I argue with Drucke all the time, but I want to be fair.

Jake Follain

I love your comments Kat.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Not really, otherwise he wouldn't have needed them. My point really is that at least we got what we did and they at least deserve credit for that, many shows are mediocre from the start.

Jake Follain

He didn’t say they hated season 5. He said they hated episode 5…which is accurate.

KatDorroughMusic

Without George we wouldn't have any of it. He clearly did most of the heavy lifting. DnD inherited an amazing story and yes they adapted it well while there was source material to draw from. They weren't able to land the plane.

Daniel Castro

They didn't hate season 5. They say so themselves in this video. They said they noticed a slight difference from the first 4 seasons in terms of quality. They talked about all seasons here.

Jake Follain

Without them we wouldn't have any of it. That's worth pointing out. I don't agree with what they did towards the end but the show could easily have been forgettable and mediocre from the beginning, if adaptations were easy, most of them wouldn't be garbage.

Jake Follain

No. It was ruining what would have been my favorite show. Like I said the, the direction they took the plot is not the problem. The issue was rushing to the finish line which you also agree they did. 👍

Daniel Castro

D&Ds biggest crime was making your favorite show.

DrückebergerTV

This show suffered from MAJOR pitfalls as far as writing was concerned. Poor decisions were made for the sake of the "spectacle" aspect. DnD are 100% to blame for that. I'm glad we all let SnP know who was behind this treachery.

Daniel Castro

THIS 👆🏼

KatDorroughMusic

TLTR but fuck D&D.

Jaroslav Dočekal

I think you have some kind of mental illness. They hated episode 5.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Did the books end or was original author unable to continue his own story? George subverted expactations as well with Neds, Robbs, Oberyns or Tywins Deaths. Night King isnt even in the books and was introduced in season 4 and Jon only met him at the end of season 5. Plot armor is nothing more than lazy criticism, every Story uses it. Except the woman she burned alive in season 1...

DrückebergerTV

They didnt even know who these people were because others told them and filled them in on all the lies.

DrückebergerTV

Your D&D defending in whole honor, but where do you get all this from? Martin met with D&D in 2013 in Santa Fe to discuss possibility of them surpassing his books and they went through every major character. They were not in denial like many people who still thought in 2015 or 2016 that winds was on the horizon. Also, they promised 7 Seasons before Season 1 even aired and confirmed their plans again in 2013 and 2014. They were, understandable tired, after 10 years like most of the people involved, but that didnt effect story choices they made once passing the books or that they rushed to move to other stuff. They delivered on their promise, George didnt. I also dont believe George changed his Story in reaction to season 8s Reputation. I think he struggles for far longer than that and much more than he would ever admit.

DrückebergerTV

They enjoyed this season more than season 4 and are now afraid to even mention it.

DrückebergerTV

I was okay with the white walkers not being active during the battle because they could not risk being killed since each time a white walker the widgts who were turned by that white walker would be taken out. When you watch the series again you will see Dany's mad tendencies show early on. Tyreon is the one ruling Bran is just the headpiece to appease everyone.

Maria Monterroso

Seasons 7 and more so season 8 were inexcusable for D&D (dumb and dumber). They showed they were way in over their heads after the books ended. THEY decided Arya would kill the night king to, in their words “subvert expectations”, meaning they know it made no sense, but the audience wouldn’t see it coming. So they pissed on 7+ seasons of build up for 10 seconds of shock value. Just like every time they showed someone important getting ready to be slain, they cut away to a different scene and used plot armor to save them. Danny’s decline made zero sense, she liberates people, she doesn’t murder them. Especially women and children! They did Jon as dirty as possible… He went through so much shit and they reduced him to a cucked parrot in the last season with only a few lines “I don’t want it.” “She’s my queen.” Only to throw him away (his entire reveal and heritage meant nothing) like he’s a insignificant character. I literally could not think of a worse way to end one of the greatest shows of all time… Hell, even the night king and his army winning and killing everyone off would have been a better ending. Character assassination at its finest.

I had no major issues with many of the final plot decisions. This show just needed to be longer so that those decisions actually impacted you. I'm glad DnD made your hate list. Well deserved 👏

Daniel Castro

I am prepared to be destroyed for what I am about to say...I honestly don't have as much anger towards D&D (Dan & Dave) for ending the series on two reduced episode seasons. I completely understand why they wanted to walk away and I also have empathy for the position they were put in with the storytelling. Now before I clarify what I just said I need to point out I am definitely critical of the rushed storytelling, the flawed logic, plot armor at points & how most of the characters got significantly dumber or less strategic in the last 2 seasons. As for why I don't begrudge D&D's decision to walk away. First they were the showrunners not HBO executives meaning HBO could have said no we want more seasons &/or more episodes. Showrunners who are responsible for a show making it to our TV screens rarely stay fully involved through a shows entire run so they could have handed the day to day over to someone else but stayed on as executive producers & consultants with power over key decision making in terms of story. Second George RR Martin exited the show at the end of season 4 early season 5. When he left it was because he wanted to work on finishing Book 6 Winds of Winter because at the point he was left the source material was running out. When he exited the show he gave them assurances that Winds of Winter was close to being finished. They even asked if book 5 should be broken into two seasons to allow him more time to finish the book he said no but book 6 could need 2-2.5 seasons to tell that part of the season. At the end of season 5 's production & airing he told D&D he was close to being done. When season 6 preproduction commenced they had only an outline of what would happen in S6 . As the show needed to start writing the episodes they again touched base with George who for a third time said he was close. They then went to HBO executives to tell/ask for a delay in starting production because of the absence of source material but that material would be ready soon. A deadline was set. This deadline was told to George again he insisted he was close to being finished. As that deadline neared he informed them he would not meet it and admitted he wasnt as close to finish as he believed. D & D then had to use their outline & conversations with George about where the story would end to craft season 6 storylines. As season 6 reached the midway point of airing they again checked in with George who again said he was still finishing Book 6. Then he got involved in other projects & was fairly visible publicly( meaning he was clearly spending more time on everything else in his life than writing). It was at this point D&D went to HBO realizing they wouldn't have anymore source material anytime soon. As season 6 finished airing for the first they faced heavy criticism for the storytelling. To that point book readers were responsible for most of the criticism but that mostly had to do with what was adapted & what was eliminated which was expected to happen. D & D were put in a bad spot because if they defended those decisions they may have exposed those ideas came directly from George or they would have had to say something that would have been critical of George's lack of follow through. They had to go to HBO to with a plan. No source material meant leaving them with 2 options a prolonged hiatus for the show or ending it on their own. They chose to end the series but if the source material did become available left their options open to produce more seasons & episodes. As season 7 aired the criticism was constant, hate watching occured as much as appointment viewing. By the time they got to the end of season 7 it was clear they wanted out and I believe season 8 for them just felt like a job not the passion project it was when they started. Again that doesn't justify the poor decisions or storytelling but I think they felt at that point no mattered what they did or didnt do poor reception was built-in. Mainly because hate watching & angry reactions made a lot of YouTube channels grow. Feigned outrage, toxicity & angry reactions get noticed more algorithm attention clicks, likes & subscribers than well intentioned thoughtful analysis when stuff is airing in real time. If you dare to cut against that narrative people troll you and call you a shill. Part of the joy of seeing this channel exploded & my willingness to be Patron is because your channel & style is engaging, genuine and thoughtful. You both actually are committed to what you do & seem to enjoy it. You seem to care & aren't doing it for popularity or earning potential. I will gladly help support a channel as brilliant as yours. Again while I am definitely not the biggest fan of season 8 and have no interest in making excuses for how it was executed I dont blame D & D for wanting to move on. I have no doubt that when HBO executives were approached by D&D about doing a 2 season 13 episode conclusion they agreed to it because they had 6 or 7 GOT spinoff ideas being discussed so as far as they new their bottomline wasn't going to be hurt. They didn't care where the GOT money would come from but they got it wrong because the quality of S8 did hurt their bottomlime because interest in the franchise immediately fell off at the conclusion of the finale. Lastly George RR Martin truly needs to own up to his role in why this series went from universally loved to divisive to panned by fans & critics at the end of the finale. I think I should also point out my main issue and reason for placing a lot of blame on George isn't because of not finishing Book 6 to this day. My issue is he lied or was overly optimistic about being close to finished instead of being open about needing more time. Some small part of me believes George was almost finished with Winds on the night the series finale aired. Then when he heard & saw the reactions to how it ended he panicked and realized he had to change a lot of the book. D&D as well as George both said parts of the end were directly from George's planned ending while others were not. However they never specified which were which. If the elements that were loathed the most were George's there is no doubt he would want to change them. Based on on how he weaves a story even though Winds isn't the final book the paths to the conclusion are paved in it. So changing one thing means changing countless things to maintain continuity. While it is conceivable he hasn't made any changes because of the reactions to certain elements of the ending I find it hard to believe he still hasn't finished and needs even more time without it being do to changes from the reaction.

Jason Sadowski

I'm sad Jaime was not mentioned in the lists. 😥 I think you forgot about season 5 in your rankings, doesn't surprise me though, pretty insignificant season with stupid Dorne plot. 😂😂

Jaroslav Dočekal

tyrions story changes drastically from the books at the end of season 4

Chris Button

I hope you leave and never come back. The worst cringe on this whole channel.

FullMetal B

The show explained what they wanted. It wasn't a good answer, and definitely not the same answer as the books would have, but it did explain it.

SuddenImpulse

Completely agree with your thoughts on the battle of winterfell, we had the setup for all the valyrian steel sword wielders & jon vs the white walkers & night king.. bran 3 eyed raven became nothing but .. ravens.. alright... i remember in like season 3 me and my friends imagining bran was gonna warg into a dragon or something by the end.. thought the white walkers might have some motive or we would find out what they want... but nah

Anthony Brown

Haha SAME!

KatDorroughMusic

Yeah, after all the bullying I’ve watched this guy do, I am enjoying this moment.

Shay

dude relax 😂 we literally said we still thought it was a 10/10 series and one of our all time favourite series. no one influenced anything. We felt the story in S8 got weaker as it sunk in and in particular the last few episodes didn't hit as strongly as they could of. that's how we feel. we didn't ignore everyones opinion for 7 seasons and just start magically worrying about it now. this is how we felt. and the series was still fantastic, but it ended weak compared to its peak.

CpaSpartan Pudgey

Oh just stop it. You have zero idea about who any of us are. It’s just sad that this is your life right now. Attacking people for all having different opinions than you of a tv show. And you can’t just let it go! I’ve actually read the books. All of them. You act like you’ve only ever just watched the cut up reactions of the series and have simply developed some sort of unhealthy attachment disorder to D&D. It’s really unsettling. Just let other humans have different human reactions and opinions of things. Suddenly, with some time to reflect (which is how it happened with most of us) the cracks started appearing to them. Once that happens a lot of the bad writing and rushed pacing starts to crumble. We can’t make someone hate the series. That’s impossible. I hate what they did to the last few seasons of the series but I still love the series. I choose to accept the absolute mess it turned into because I (we) fell in love with these characters and this world. So just let it go. We can hold the series and the showrunners to a higher standard than most because we saw what they were capable of. Even after the source material ran out they had some moments of absolute brilliance, like the back half of season 6. 6x10 was a masterpiece. There were also moments where they added things before the source material ran out that they added things that weren’t in the source material, like Hardhome. Masterfully done by Miguel Sapochnik. The only person here with a narrow view of things is you.

KatDorroughMusic

Sansa had one of the best arks of the entire show, surprised she wasn't even in your honorable mentions.

Dani

Im not toxic, im honest about what i observe, and they throw a lot of what they clearly enjoyed in the trash to please the ungrateful masses. "Well researched opinions"... You dont research your opinion, you make up your own mind and if you cant do that you just repeat what majority says online. By that definition, you are right, people are "researching" the popular opinion. I hope at least you dont mean lies about Star Wars or how Actors hated the end as "well researched." I already said congratulations, you have won.

DrückebergerTV

Now you guys have to read the books!

Betty Alice

D and D !!! Agreeeedd!! Lol and yeah, you can like mean or bad characters, and yeah, people take the dislike too seriously! It’s all in good fun :)

Betty Alice

Tyrion's storyline later in the books is very different. And GRRM has hinted towards Tyrion really being a character going on a journey into just kind of losing hope and goodness. I don't think D&D were prepared to explore the direction that went because so many people loved Tyrion in the beginning. Because of this, it seemed like they didn't know how to carry his character forward properly. Still, mad props to Peter Dinklage for doing such an amazing acting job with such a difficult character.

Plinko Zoinks

I was waiting for this super toxic meltdown and you did not disappoint. You know, if you weren’t such an attack dog you could say anything you wanted in your own comments and no one would bat an eye. But because you make it your mission in life to attack everyone else’s well researched opinions, you’ve brought it on yourself. Enjoy.

KatDorroughMusic

They were being genuine when they werent exposed to haters views. Like i wrote, they dont get "Star Wars" and "10 Seasons" and "D&D" from watching the story. Thats outside the Story hating points to justify unreasonable criticism. Its clear they soaked those points up after watching the show and reading hateful comments about the show. They adjusted their opinion to please like almost every critic of this season. Its fine, they can do that. Its their choice, but its sad.

DrückebergerTV

youre so weird...

Adrian

So when they like something they are being genuine but when they criticize something they are group think. I guess you have to tell yourself whatever you have to in order to cope.

Random Random

No, im not gonna convince them off anything. They made up their mind only to throw everything away in 1 Video. Thats "their" opinion now and thats that. I cant change that. You won, i applaud you. You convinced them people, they didnt know existed or care about, had bad intentions or didnt care about their own show anymore. You convinced them off a lie that was repeated a million times. D&D, Star Wars... you dont get that from watching the show, its gained in toxic echochambers, outside the actual Story. You also sold them the 10 seasons thing. You convinced them the show was getting worse after season 4. You changed their whole mind about the show... after they have seen everything and read all negativity and bad faith. Tyranny of the masses overcame reasoning and understanding of a rich and deep Story. Congratulations.

DrückebergerTV

It was weak, from them to add them to the list, but each to their own i guess.

DrückebergerTV

D&D’s burned account ^^^

Stannis the Mannis

And now begins your denial and delusion about Spartan, i guess now you're gonna try to convince him that he really loves it to the end, and that he's just too delusional to realise it. Btw Pudgey also agrees with him in this video.

Milorad

Cry more.

Dom

Spartan sold his soul to the haters, they convinced him he was wrong all the time, he sold his own opinion. He has the 2 People on his hate list, that without them, they wouldnt even watch this show and that he didnt even knew existed until people told him. And he bought into that Star Wars Lie. He enjoyed 72 out of 73 episodes and then goes on to say it needed more episodes, even though he loved almost everything of it. Its sad to hear him appeal to them, but i guess you gotta please your audience in the end even though you stood behind your opinion of later seasons, only to throw it away last second. Did the same people told you how many books there are und what state that Story is currently in? I guess, but it doesnt seem to be worth mentioned by them at this point. Edit; Oh my God, he is pleasing all of their needs, now he is playing denial game with Stannis. Bookpurists play that game for 8 years now, you are part of the Club now, without even having read one Page of the books. I am shocked and dissapointed. This "wrap up" is more devastating and out of character for me than every GoT Season. Edit: They row against loving the long night, understanding why bran became king, loving every episode (except 1) post season 4 and now claim they saw cracks in the writing...

DrückebergerTV

OMG your dog is so CUTE! Lol at D&D making it to Spartan's list. Agree that the men are much better developped than the women in general, for a lot of women it seems to be trauma and then growing into a cold hearted "badass", and all the acting from the younger female characters seem to imitate Lena Headey's cold and arrogant take on Cersei which doesn't make much sense for other characters like Arya for example. Totally agree with Pudgey, when it aired I noticed the drop in quality after season 4, the writing became more like typical Hollywood writing with shocking unexpected moments to still feel like the Game of Thrones we know (even though it doesn't), thus abandoning the logics of the world established prior, which is the shame because it's a big part of what makes the first seasons of Game of Thrones so immersive. The reason why they didn't show Daenerys reaction after she starts burning everything is because the whole thing didn't make sense, it would have shown even more how nonsensical it all was. I really advise you to watch Lindsay Ellis review on Game of Thrones, it's in two parts and really fun and interesting, and it really shows the double standard when it comes to the writing for Dany. Jon's ending is quite sad, it's like in the end he was never really part of the Stark family, never really belonged. I can't understand how Spartan saw Jon as a side man in season 1, he was always coded as the typical hero to me with his mysterious origins and him being the misfit in the family.

Lise

Another thing that contributed to the disappointment of 7/8 was how they adapted characters from the books. They did such a great job with Obyrn it was horrible to see how they botched Euron and Varys. Euron is like a greyjoy combination of Tywin and Melissandre he practices shadow magic, drinks hallucinogens and has a horn that can control dragons. In the show he was a jack sparrow knock off. Also some insight as to why they did Varys dirty; Varys spirited away a son of Rhaegar during Roberts rebellion, Tyrion discovers him in Essos and convinces him to not join Danny and invade the Stormlands later in the story as Cersei becomes queen, there is even forshadowing that he marries Arianne (Oberyns sister; Another character from Dorne who is not in the show and is basically a Dornish Queen Littlefinger type strategist). So in the books you have Jon, Danny, and Aegon in the mix as Targaryen who will fight the WW then fight each other for the throne. But in the show they just dumped Varys and all that. Sansa also never goes to the Boltons in the books. She becomes a boss in the Vale. So when people say season 5 was so bad; there is no Jamie + Bronn austin powers plotline in the books. Jamie is in the Riverlands and spends more time with Brianne. They encounter Catelyn stark who was brought back by Beric Dondarrian. S5 was such a huge divergence. They just took a left turn on half the story. As far as Bran being king; Its likely Danny takes the thrones, becomes queen, Jon kills her, He technically becomes King and then abdicates for exile, passing the throne to Bran as his next of kin.

Niko

I don't know if anybody mentioned it and you're probably already aware but be careful with some of the lore content in your boxset as you may well have spoilers for House Of The Dragon.

Nicole Herd

Do you guys plan to make a ASOIAF readthrough with recorded/live discussions about each chapter? I think that would be epic

Cs Zoltan

The fate of the wolves doesn't predict the fate of their masters, it's their names that predict it: Ghost - Jon will die and come back to life Lady - Sansa will become Lady of Winterfell Nymeria - Arya will sail west from her home Grey Wind (named cause of how fast he is) - Robb's story (and life) are fleeting Shaggydog- Rickon's story is rambling and ultimately pointless Summer - Bran will be the king of summer

Mzuka

Sure thing, yeah Pudgey meant it in a more literal sense in the video, so I understand. =)

SuddenImpulse

Ah true, I didn't think of the more metaphorical aspects. Thank you for your insight that was helpful.

Nicole Herd

Well, its not super literal. Lady was the death of Sansa's innocence and naivety, her illusions to the fairytale stories she dreamed about living out since she was a little girl. Summer is trickier because we only have the show result to go off of, but theres definitely some metaphorical symbolism with the timing and way summer passes with respect to Bran's character story. George has talked about this stuff with the direwolves before in interviews.

SuddenImpulse

If you believe that what happens to the direwolves happens to the Starks then why are Sansa and Bran not dead? Both Lady and Summer died.

Nicole Herd

Spartan adding D&D to the list was iconic 😂. Keep in mind most of us who hate the later seasons did not feel that way immediately. To me, they are like tangled headphone cords. You don't realize how bad it it until you try to untangle it...

Munir

"What I have noticed more and more of late, however, is my gardening is taking me further and further away from the television series. Yes, some of the things you saw on HBO in GAME OF THRONES you will also see in THE WINDS OF WINTER… but much of the rest will be quite different. "And really, when you think about it, this was inevitable. The novels are much bigger and much much more complex than the series. Certain things that happened on HBO will not happen in the books. And vice versa... "One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of GAME OF THRONES will survive until the end of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, and not all of the characters who died on GAME OF THRONES will die in A SONG OF ICE & FIRE... "And the ending? You will need to wait until I get there. Some things will be the same. A lot will not." - Update from George R R Martin last year. Please read the books S&P, even unfinished it's a better story. Still holding out hope for an ending. That being said, no show has ever made me feel this much. Will always love it for that, and for leading me to the books. The first four seasons were probably the best TV ever.

Mzuka

Even with all its flaws it's still arguably the best show ever

Jermaine Lee

Jacquen best actor??? 😂 he had one of the easiest one-note roles to play cmon guys. Imo Jamie is prob my fav performance, he had to sell himself switching back and forth between honor and Cersei while making it feel real and genuine, he killed it.

Flipnskater

Great video and Leon is adorable! I completely agree with your assessments about the quality of the seasons, Dany’s turn, Jon’s storyline, etc. Thanks so much for a great ride and I’m looking forward to watching Breaking Bad videos!

Shay

I tend to believe D & D when they say this. Mainly because, why would they lie. If they are lying, George could easily come out and say that it's not true, and that he never told them that about Stannis, and seeing about how protective he is about his books vs the show, I think he would do that. So I think it's true. And there will certainly be more context and story behind Stannis burning Shireen in the books, but that's the case for everything in the show. I don't see any context or story point that would make Stannis look less bad for burning Shireen. I think that's purposefully supposed to be his downfall and looked upon as a terrible thing he does. And that just naturally goes against his characterization this far. And I think his fans are just in denial about it. But we'll see when the books come out. Lol.

Marcell

I agree. That's why I actively avoided the comments during their season 7 and 8 videos. Because I knew that it'd be mostly people shitting on the show, rather than people enjoying the videos and discussing the reactions.

Marcell

Another great speech you maybe forgot to consider was the "Kill the boy" speech Maester Aemon gave to Jon around season 5.

Martin

It is true that D&D (not George) said this. It is indeed very possible that Stannis might do this at some point, I dare say its more likely than not, but its likely the context will be very different, and I think that is the issue a lot of book readers have with that development on the show. The way they went about Stannis' character in the show is at stark odds with a lot of the things we see from him in the books.

SuddenImpulse

Best use of music in the show Imo is Light of The Seven when Cersei blew up the sept. I still get chills when I watch that scene.

Demo

I will be completely honest, I really wish 70% of the questions asked weren't all focused on the flaws of the show, particularly season 8. This is a wrap-up video for the entire series and your journey through the entire series, and people could have asked so many great questions related to the entire series or throughout the series, but I feel like some people just wanted a season 8 rant video, which are a dime a dozen and generally all say more or less the same things.

SuddenImpulse

I honestly think Sansa had one of the best wrap-ups? she ended by becoming the queen in the north. She struggled for 99% of the show and had to endure torture from the 4 biggest villains, including Joffery, Ramsay, Cersei AND little finger. She was used and abused and still fought her way back with strength, intelligence and a strategic mindset Built alliances, help win a battle..damn. And she maintained a good heart, morals and duty and empathy. People don't give Sansa enough credit.

Ghostcat

D & D have said that Stannis burning Shireen is something they got from GRRM( the book author) himself. As in, he told them that Stannis will do that later on in the books. So make of that what you will.

Marcell

Sorry Spartan I can't agree with you there. Stannis was WEAK minded. You don't give up morals for duty. I love where his character ended up because that's what happens to some men in pursuit of power and purpose. Stannis' character was extremely important to the show but good riddance in my eyes, I don't feel bad for him. He had all the power in the world to do the right thing and he chose not to.

Demo

For me house Greyjoy was one of the bigger disappointments of the series. Eurons story is super important and interesting in the books sad how they did him in the show. same with the golden company.

Questions

Brent LaFlam

Thank you so much! 🙏🏻

Brent LaFlam

I just realised that Spartan liked High Sparrow more than Arya as a character. Mad stuff... .his list is now null and void.

Victor Radoi

The writers on inside the episode for 8x6. Say that Drogon took Danerys to Volantis. I always wondered if the red priest/priestess revived her as Melisandre did Jon. They were devoted to Danerys and have the ability to resurrect people. Most Disturbing scene had to be seeing Shireen burned alive for me Most exciting scene Jon Snow coming back to life I was amazed by you guys figuring out who Jon’s parents were during 6x10. Yes it was confirmed later by the additional videos you watched before season 7. But very few reactors immediately know it was Rhaegar and Lyanna before they even show Jons face after the baby. My best sword fight was the Hound and Brienne. Possibly why there wasn’t more going on when Jon rode the dragon the first time may be because Kit Harrington was injured in that scene. There may have been more to it they were going to show but he was hurt and was unable to do certain things for awhile after. The scream you hear while he is riding the dragon was the real scream when he was hurt. When you watch the series box set you bought it will have the making of each episode in it. (It’s also on YouTube) But kit and the writers talk about it there. His stunt double that looks like his twin did a lot of the action after that. Especially in 8x3. Also during the filming of the series Kit broke his ankle at home. So for awhile alot of the sword fight scenes and action scenes were the stunt double. They also talk about the sword fights Brienne had on horses and the sword fights others had on horses during the battles that their insurance company would not let the actual actor preform those scenes. It was the stunt doubles doing all of them. If you want to see something very cool google the stunt doubles for all of the characters. Sansa’s, Arya’s and Jon’s in particular look like their twin. Watching Inside the episode and Episide revealed by HBO on YouTube they go into how each episode was made. The actors talk about why they did things a certain way. The writes go in depth why they chose a certain direction etc…Very interesting to see behind the scenes. Thank you for the great reactions!

I❤️movies&tvshows

Thank you for answering my question! For me, my favorite character arc was Theon. His character beginning to end was so well written and for him to die in Winterfell, his home, fighting for the Starks was an amazing way to end his journey.

Cam

Thanks for the ride guys! Was a fun time. I will pop in and out and will look to see what you guys watch after Breaking Bad.

Farbod

Omg Pudgey!!! You pronounced my name correctly at the end there, not an easy feat lol. Kudos! ❤️❤️❤️

Ailene Evangelista

The post for the questions can be found if you type "questions" in the search bar at the top right. It's this one: June 15 at 4:41 PM GoT Wrap Up Video Questions

SuddenImpulse

I never took that line as literal, it was a bluff and rationalization for his behavior to him imho. That said Jaime in the show is fan fiction for me anyways at that point.

SuddenImpulse

Jaime was the most disappointing end to an arc for me. “I never cared much for them anyway” ugh Music for me was Light of the Seven playing through the sequence where Cersei blows up the sept. So sad to be leaving Westeros but this was a nice send off!

James Woodford

Tyrion speech in his trial? was one of my favorite

SnorlaX

Thank you guys so much! This was a great wrap up. 🤗 I mentioned in another post, but it really does mean a lot to me to see fresh eyes watch and reaction to this iconic defining pop culture phenomenon for the 2010s. Your happy, sad, angry, etc — brought me back to some much happier memories in my life. As someone who deals with Major Depressive Disorder, as silly as it sounds, it really means a lot as someone going through some heavy stuff right now. I am truly grateful for running across your guys’ channel, and now Patreon! 💕 I must’ve missed the post, but wasn’t sure where the questions section was to submit before? If a Mod could chime in that would be great! I would’ve loved to send you a few. A couple thoughts if you consider future videos on GoTs: After your rewatch, It might be a good format to expand more on each season individually, to paint a more in-depth picture of the story, characters, plot lines, etc. I was SO hoping you would’ve talked more about the Lord of Light — I saw Spartan about to, but didn’t finish his thoughts. Haha no secret from my previous posts of my Melisandre is my favorite character. Probably the most morally grey character in the series. In the books, she had a few more kind actions towards Davos, but didn’t tell him. She saw in the flames that Davos’ son (I think he has a few in the books), whom was Stannis’ squire was going to die in the battle at the wall, said convinced Stannis that he needed to stay behind. The fucking series is called “A Song of Ice and Fire”. Sam also shows that book at that last council meeting. Melisandre brought Ice (Jon) and Fire (Dany) together. The entire religion of The Lord of Light vs. The Great Other (a deity whom no one should speak his true name). Little tinfoil — it would’ve been so epic when Tyrion, Varys, and Kinvara had that interaction, the flames turned blue (Viserion’s breathed blue fire, so we know where that color comes from) that the name of the person who spoke was The Great Other. There was a video of another actress for the audition tape of Kinvara, leaked before season six was released. As a gay man I can confirm this woman is gorgeous hahah! You can Google “Kinvara season six leaked audition tape”. Not the same costume as in the show, but she’s got red outfit on, necklace with a red stone — now I’m realizing she kind of looks like Pudgey. 😉❤️‍🔥 The tape had exactly the same lines we heard in the scene. (I can’t find the video because HBO probably made each person shut it or get sued). HOWEVER, her last lines to Varys had a very unusual change: “Should I tell you what the voice said? Should I tell you the name of the one who spoke or where it lives?” ❤️‍🔥 Where IT lives??? That’s terrifying as fuck. Clearly not a human we’re talking about — which would’ve added even more terror to Varys & Tyrion, and solidify people taking the Red God seriously. Side note that might explain: there is a city above Asshai that only Shadowbinders dare to tread called Stygai. There’s a theory that the way those priestesses gain that power of shadowbinding is to have sex with a demon. And in this world, we know that can be magic extremely cruel. In Melisandre’s only POV, which GRRM said they’ll be more — and possibly memories of Asshai — haha I’m someone who loves scary, dark, and mysterious things. She says (and our first hint that she could be centuries old): “She had practiced her craft for years beyond count, and paid the price.” There was still so much story to tell between Ice vs. Fire, Life vs. Death, The Lord of Light vs. The Great Other. Agreed with Spartan that this storyline need at least a whole season of build up, multiple battles, very few victories — and in their darkest hour to fulfill the prophecy of Azor Ahai / The Price/Princess that was Promised — either have Dany kill Jon or vice versa, and maybe in the end Dany didn’t go crazy, (A great gift requires a great sacrifice) but she was pregnant with Jon’s baby. Bittersweet ending. Boom. ❤️‍🔥 Anyways, as always love your guys’ work and I cannot wait to see more! Just some recommendations that I’ve posted before but I think more apropos in this thread: Kill Bill (movie) Westworld (HBO series — though you can by on Apple Movies section, only $30 something) The Handmaiden’s Tale (Hulu series) The Terror (Anthology series — true story, and there’s quite a few GoT actors in it haha) Chernobyl (HBO limited series)

Brent LaFlam

So little fact that those of us who watched the long night the night it first aired…that was the same night that Avengers Endgame premiered. So there was a meme going around that still makes me laugh that when Bran says “I’m going now” and then wargs off to nowhere, he was watching endgame. 😂🤣

KatDorroughMusic

the man spartan really being stressed being put on the spot xD

Tyler Mann

Any chance you react to some Game of Throne video essays?

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