Game of Thrones 8x3 Reaction & Review

Nah but season 8 was horrendous, this shouldn’t be up for debate, because this was someone else’s work being turned into teenage fan fiction, it’s truly atrocious.

Zachary Singa

fair point but i have to disagree, it should've been jon

big harsher

Arya's moment of killing the Knight King was very poetic. When she saw her father being executed, she tried to save him but couldn't get through the crowd to save him. And this time she sees her brother about to be executed and because of her training and journey she is able to get there in time to save him and the world.

Meraxes

Only miserable cunts liked season 8

Michael Espeland

100% agree. One of the worst episodes of the series, in the worst season of this series also.

Michael Espeland

Just joined because I have a few days off and I really enjoy watching the show through your eyes... I was the same as you both... overwhelmed by the callbacks etc, however, I am sure you felt the same... I believed that the Battle of the Night (or whatever) was gonna be THE last season. Meaning Winterfell would lose and the real battle would be fought in the South. It was rushed, I am sure you know now about D&D and their personal rush to do Star Wars, etc... but what a letdown. Still, though, I really like remembering the rush that you both so eloquently provided.

Richie Alan

I loved this episode. My only complaint was how dark it was. Miguel Spotchnik (is an awesome director but has relied on darkness during GoT and HOTD). Also, I was really surprised that you guys didn't catch on to all the "it'll be safe in the crypt" talk during episode 2. I remember it being a HUGE discussion among fans between episodes 2&3. Unless you mentioned it in the uncut version.

Amy Moquin

you guys have to react to these two videos please https://youtu.be/YqJ_WaEockk https://youtu.be/k3hCPYCZGGM

Omar Cornelio

people hate on this season and this episode but it was amazing ppl are just haters

Omar Cornelio

This is the best battle you've seen in GOT? I think you're mistaking what was already laid out for the show for good writing, but instead they just couldn't really pull it off well

Farmer John

What a shitstain of a season honestly.

Farmer John

Also realistically… all the main characters surviving is very anti-Game if Thrones

Austin Kilgore

I really thought John should’ve killed the Night King… all those stare downs felt meaningless

Austin Kilgore

Oh yeah, that's a great point about the wooden box! I HATE season 8, but the decision to stay in the crypts honestly didn't strike me as blind dumb.

Shannon Bey

Regarding the tactics ( 1 ) I am copy-pasting this from another post I replied to earlier. "What they should have done is dig a ditch thats wider than a meter ( 10-15 meters should do ), put the infantry behind it with spears they can throw. Archers on the wall, artillery behind the walls and continuously keep up the bombardment without the risk of hitting your own troops. Keep the Dothraki outside in the dark, split them up into 3-4 individual formations and use them to harass the enemy with charges of their flank ( not straight up the middle pls ) and reinforce the areas where the defense needs it. Use the dragons to decimate the enemy near the ditches and also to light up the spots where they need the Dothraki to help out. Not that it matters, by the next turn ( episode 4 ) most of the forces they lost here will respawn. " I am not a great tactician but I think it makes more sense than what they did. They pretty much exposed the artillery to the enemy and made them irrelevant with the Dothraki charge right at the beginning. Spartan even noticed it when they called for cease-fire. And they sacrificed the Dothraki so they could get that shot when the fires go out. Nothing about their tactics made any sense whatsoever. That being said I loved how much they enjoyed it. :)

neutchain

That wall had a room in it and thats where they kept all the remaining plot armors. They could've handed out one to my boi Jorah as well ( that hurt ) since no one of significance died except him.

neutchain

Agreed, I love how much they into it.

neutchain

The only man who was properly utilized in this episode is Ramin Djawadi. The music in this episode was nothing short of legendary. That piano theme ( which is based on the music that could be heard when Cersei blew up the Sept ) was gut wrenching. Absolutely phenomenal work.

neutchain

What they should have done is dig a ditch thats wider than a meter ( 10-15 meters should do ), put the infantry behind it with spears they can throw. Archers on the wall, artillery behind the walls and continuously keep up the bombardment without the risk of hitting your own troops. Keep the Dothraki outside in the dark, split them up into 3-4 individual formations and use them to harass the enemy with charges of their flank ( not straight up the middle pls ) and reinforce the areas where the defence needs it. Use the dragons to decimate the enemy near the ditches and also to light up the spots where they need the Dothraki to help out. Not that it matters, by the next turn ( episode 4 ) most of the forces they lost here will respawn.

neutchain

This logic of "they had to take out as much of the army before reaching the castle" is extremely flawed for one major reason - We've seen the night king being able to raise the dead instantly after they fall. So launching a full frontal assault with thousands of cavalry and having your most elite fighting troops dying outside the castle is massively counterproductive since the night king just widdles them down, then adds them to the army of the dead and reengages.

Nitroxc

Biggest disappointment was all the missed potential of this episode. Was really hoping for more insight into the White Walkers. Guess we will never know until the books come out or the Jon Snow sequel is made.

Niko

Stup*d comment about glorious show 😄 All this preparation for Arya since season 1 wasn’t for nothing, period.

Salue Salue

this is absolutely the worst battle episode, the plot armor alone ruins it, the best battle episode is the watchers on the wall

Sean Carroll

"I never really cared much for them....Innocent or otherwise"

Sean Carroll

they finished it about 2 weeks ago and juding from their youtube live strwam you can tell they didnt like the ending

Sean Carroll

aryas story arc was still useless, she killed the enemy that had never had anything to do with her storyline. She was all about getting revenge on her enemies and returning home to her family. Both of which were thrown to the side, the best way for Aryas story to end for me would have been her to kill cersei and return home to winterfell to be with her family, this whole west of westeros bullshit is pointless as it negates her entire storyline, also Bran could just tell her since he knows everything, you can defend it all you want but the writing took a severe nosedive in the last 4 seasons

Sean Carroll

Everyone had their purpose. Jon brought the North together, Sansa brought the Knights of the Vale, Dany brought fire-breathing weapons, Beric kept Arya alive, Melisandre brought the magic, and BRAN who can see EVERYTHING throughout all of history just watched as everything came together, he didn't have to do anything.

D-Boy

I am curious what they would say to the criticism. If it matters to them and if they agree with it or not

Rey Jr

Why? If they enjoyed it, why ruin it?

Tinths

Good job for the mods letting you know that you need to make your room dark to be able to even see this episode ahaha

Josh

Season 8 was abysmal in every aspect

Eshwar Tangirala

Pretty much all of the last season was abysmal lol

Eshwar Tangirala

I think a lot of people miss what Bran's role was here. We know he can sometimes see the future (someone said once that he could do this through warging into is future warging self). And when he gave Arya the valerian steel dagger, he knew she was going to kill the NK. You can see it in the way he looks at the dagger while giving it to her. Also, so many people were angry because Jon wasn't the one to kill the night king. I personally lovede that he was not the one, because how boring and predictable would that have been? Jon is the one who met the NK the most times, but the NK did not really care about him personally. He couldn't even be bothered to try to fight him, because all that he's ever cared about is killing the three eyed raven. And even though Jon was not the one who killed him, he still had one of the most important roles, by bringing everyone together to make it all possible ❤️ I also imagine if Arya had not been the one to deliver the final blow, people would complain about her story arc and say it was useless and for nothing.

Tinths

why you would white walkers expose themselves if one of them dying means thousands of wights dying...that would be stupid You guys would be complaining how stupid WW are lmao

MondayMorning

wow they liked it lol. I think they need to watch a video that explains why this episode makes no sense

Philippe

I literally rage quit the next episode and had to finish it later LOL

Shane Bianchini

After being a mega fan of this show for 8 years, this was the last episode I really enjoyed. With hindsight, I do have a lot of issues with this one too-- but I'm SO curious to see how you guys react to the last 3 episodes!!

Shane Bianchini

3 common complaints about this episode: the defense strategy, the lack of white Walker action, and putting the women and children in the crypts. 1: The defense strategy, why did the Dothraki charge. I will gladly admit it’s a dumb tactical decision but seriously consider what the alternative was? Winterfell is massively underscaled in the show. If the Dothraki don’t charge they have to be inside winterfell. Where is the room? Where do they go? You immediately have to abandon the horses. Now you’ve crippled their best weapon and known battle tactic. That’s not even considering the ramifications of having no horses if you do survive. 2: The white walkers didn’t do anything. Well if we’re evaluating from the same lense as step 1 I would ask “why should they” the Night King knows they can die and what it does to the whights they control. What incentive does the NK or any of the Walkers have strategically to fight? Which one do we want? Do we want the best strategy? Isn’t their best strategy to sit back and overwhelm wave after wave… revive repeat until everyone is dead? Shouldn’t they get to use strategy? 3: putting the women and children in the crypts. Again on its surface it’s a stupid decision knowing the dead can be raised. But again I ask what is the alternative? What part of winterfell can you put them and not expect them to get that level of action. There clearly should be lots of women and children. So either you split them up and hide them in multiple rooms throughout the grounds? Or you put them in one of probably only two places they can go. A great hall or the crypts. Does the NK even know the crypts exists before he got there? How many actual bodies are in the crypts? They brought a whight to KL in a wooden box. Why would they assume if it couldn’t break the box it could break out of tombs? I’m not sure there was a less risky/better alternative and have yet to be provided with one. Especially for all the strategists that wouldn’t charge the Dothraki. I’m assuming they’re behind the wall in the courtyard. Again taking another space for the women and children. Point being… there wasn’t really much of an option. I think their feeling was they needed to utilize what they could and position people at their best and hope the waves got outlasted long enough to destroy the NK. I believe they accepted that most of them if not all were going to die. Condensing their defense would have been the exact opposite of what they wanted to do in that case as it would have ended the battle quicker. Both of Danys dragons would have been useless as they could attack and kill whights outside the wall but inside the walls it would be impossible without killing your own. It would have turned out just like battle of the bastards being constricted down and choked out/overwhelmed. I think it’s fair to find criticisms. I personally was disappointed that Jon didn’t get the opportunity to at least fail to kill the NK and Arya come in and finish it and save him. But that honestly was a let down of my expectations not necessarily a let down for what worked best for the story from the creators view. I highly doubt something that large changes in the books. I think the details of the defense will be different as the scale of winterfell exists there and can be done in more sound strategical ways. But I’m happy for Spartan and Pudgey that they have this recorded because you can try to penetrate plot holes and work out your feelings with the story decisions for years and change how you feel/don’t feel about this episode and certain things. But you can always come back to this and watch your reaction. See how tense and how breathless and stunned, shocked, and amazed you were in real time. You will see that in the moment this episode completely owned and rocked your existence for 90 minutes

Scuba Steve

Yeah it was just in 1080p back then and stream compression was very bad. Also Tvs have come a long way also. With mini-led and OLEDs being much brighter i rewatched in 4K on my mini-led tv and everything looks amazing, no issues now

Lou Dryka

After thousands of years of careful planning and amassing a huge army, the Night King crosses the wall and kills Theon Greyjoy. The end.

Alex I.

Oh man...it used to be that "the first person who brings up Hitler automatically loses the argument." Now, that should be changed to "the first person who says 'woke' automatically loses the argument." Arya killing the NK is the summation of years of character development. Why turn her into an assassin if she can't assassinate the Big Bad? Everyone's attention was on Jon, Dany, and Bran. That's how an assassin can get through. I thought it was all set up beautifully. You don't have to agree, but it's a bit easy to just call it "woke" and dismiss it.

David Thomas

That's your interpretation, and I appreciate it. Doesn't seem to me that would be something he'd do, didn't look cornered either.

Natalija Fausta

The prince that was promised. Lifting a burning sword from the flames to end the long night. A warrior of light. The literal embodiment of ice and fire. That’s right, Jon Sno…. Arya? Wait what? The longest winter that will last a generation. White walkers sweeping through castles and kingdoms. They bring the storm. Mysterious ancient symbols. It’ll take a lifetime to defeat them…. oh wait, no, they’ll just be defeated in one night. So much potential just dismissed and thrown down the toilet.

SAM04019491

Arya killing the Night King is like Luke fighting Darth Vader after so much anticipation and build-up only for Chewbacca to show up and shoot Darth Vader in the back and kill him. It's one of the most garbage decisions ever taken in television history. She had no involvement whatsoever with the white walkers, this should have been Jon's moment. And regarding the white walkers storyline, we've been teased about the danger they pose, long night, long winter etc, only for them to be wiped out in one unpleasant evening. I mean, do you not ask yourself "who's the night king? what does he actually want with Bran? what powers bind them together? what's up with the symbol they keep leaving behind? what was their motivation the whole time?" The white walkers dying in episode 3 is like the Avengers killing Thanos in the first 5 minutes of Infinity War and then doing side quests for the remainder of the movie. Anyone who can't see the absurdity of this episode does not truly understand the writing depth and overall vibe of Game of Thrones. Season 8 is just a weak shadow of what this show once was, and the visuals certainly don't make up for it.

Alex I.

Can we try to be civil and stop insulting each other and the commentators?

Richard Kraupa

In defense of the scream, Jon was accepting his death in that moment. The dragon had cornered him, and he had nothing to do. So he raged at it.

Matt Burke

JJK season 2 reaction?

SnorlaX

"he was warging for a reason" it was to watch endgame lmao

Matthew Vongphosy

sam should have died....Robb and better men than sam have died. also sorry bran, but Robb would tell you otherwise in regards to theon being a good man., Good episode, but the walkers should have gotten some action and I have no idea how many dothraki dany has lol, but that's for another day. Music and tension etc was on point.

Mark Laniel

And now my watch has ended. Pleasure watching you guys react to this masterclass of a show. But I can not bring myself to watch the last 3 episodes ever again. I’ll see you guys in breaking bad. 🤝

Jackson Natoli

One of my favorite parts of this is Ice being back together defending Winterfell

Matthew Vongphosy

I know you won't see this until probably after you've watched everything, but I do enjoy your positivity towards season 8 so far. It's very refreshing to see and a joy to watch.

Tay Lawson

No but she was part of the faceless men and even Syrio taught her about the God of death - one could very easily argue she was trained from an early age to beat Death. Specifically the God of death. She also crosses paths with the Brotherhood who have a large role to play with Beric Dondarion. The lord of light did not bring him back for no reason. It should have been both Jon and Arya. Perhaps she gets the final blow but he should have played a larger role, tag team.

Jake Follain

Forget nitpick. The darkness is the least problematic part of this episode. Getting past the ridiculous battle plans and dumb character choices, the director mostly did the best they could to depict the white walker invasion in a single episode, but that's the issue, the invasion and consequences of it should have lasted a lot longer than a single episode. Okay guys winters over, next! There really was no winter. Apparently they forgot winter was supposed to be even down in kings landing as depicted in S7, because it immediately turns into a desert for no reason. Not a bad episode but far from perfect, certainly shines in comparison to what follows.

Jake Follain

Her father went insane during his being a hostage at Duskendale before Selmy rescued him.

SuddenImpulse

They actually liked this episode, so their "WTF" reactions were positive not negative. To be fair it's a masterpiece compared to episodes 4, 5 and 6. Especially 5 and 6, I don't understand why you didn't mention 5.

Jake Follain

If there was no plot armour not a single character would have survived. Even in earlier seasons some character need plot armour, you know, for the story to exist and continue.

Jake Follain

It's not that she killed him that's the issue for me, it's that Jon should have played a larger role. A tag team would not only have been epic but showcased the skills of the Night King, being able to go toe to toe with these two exceptional warriors and perhaps even nearly overwhelming them both.

Jake Follain

I seriously wish they had killed Jamie here. Anything but what the writers did to him...

Libby

JJ

i think bran knew she could kill night king if she survived long enough or saw the future becuse he gave arya the knife valeryan steel one

The Golden Sheep ૮꒰˵• ﻌ •˵꒱ა ?

Theon was best arc of whole episode for me because he finally looked death in the face and wasn't a selfish coward Bran should of spoke more in this episode though at least

Peter Fowler

Lots of people already discussed the negatives and some the positives with this episode. For me, is 8x03 perfect? No. Entertaining? Yes. Still has me on the edge of my seat watching it all these years later. Definitely the best battle scene in GOT in MY opinion (though I do love Battle of the Bastards). But overall, what I really wish is that we ended it here. 8x03 or with a little tie up for the characters because moving forward things get, well… let’s just say I wish it ended around here. But love your guys reactions! The passion and excitement and emotions remind me of when I watched it for the first time. So definitely happy to see your initial thoughts, feelings, etc.

Meagan

Arghhhhh this episode. Ignoring all the many shortcomings, here you have it. The Ultimate Big Bad. The very first few minutes of the very first episode as this overwhelming cruel unstoppable force that cannot be reasoned with and cannot be easily won, all gathering at the northern border as the houses fight their petty battles down south, distracting them from the real danger. Oh, nvm, Arya ended that whole thing with a yeet out of no where, time to go back to bickering and fighting over the Iron Throne. Like, they missed the ENTIRE POINT of the whole story.

Shannon Bey

Also for the record I don’t recall MASSIVE STORM clouds during the battle of black water or helms deep for that matter so yes there’s some extra moonlighting that can take place. And yes it was a tad bit dark in points, but I’d wager I’m about as large of LOTR fan as they come but visually the long night crushes the battle for helms deep as it should being 20 years ahead in technology. It’s one of the most real feeling night battles I’ve watched. It also allows them the effectively show and use the whights. If I’m not mistaken the long night episode is or was at the time the longest battle scene in cinema history. Having more lighting would lead to a battle scenario similar to hardhome but instead of a few minutes of your screen being overwhelmed by cgi whights for almost 90 minutes. The darkness helps set the tone and keeps the suspense you would loose if you could see more.

Scuba Steve

Sams the biggest coward in the nights watch but when it mattered kills a white walker. Everyone cheers. The Mormont girl gets squeezed to death and kills a giant white or Arya the one who trained to become master of death kills the NK… “woke”

Scuba Steve

Please explain the logic behind the “woke” scene by having her kill. The entire story is predicated on the quest for the throne of a female character. The crown has arguably been run by cersei more than any character in the show. This show is littered with female characters doing great deeds and accomplishments. Women can do things. It doesn’t have to be woke.

Scuba Steve

you made 16 comments already shitting on it, no body cares karen

MondayMorning

It’s because it’s been posted numerous times on every single episode for about 4 plus seasons. 😂 I would say if a show that ended half a decade ago is causing you this much distress that you’ve spend months of Patreon fees and your time to endlessly complain that probably qualifies as “miserable cunt”

Scuba Steve

This episode for me was the biggest let down in TV history for too many reasons to list but the biggest issues for me were 1. Jon was the centre of the long night storyline and did basically nothing while Arya who had nothing to do with the storyline other than a throwaway line about blue eyes becomes the hero, I still think Jon should've been the one to get the killing blow in a drawn out sword fight 2. Game of Thrones has always been praised for it's lack of plot armour and how no character is safe but the plot armour in this episode was terrible. The wights create a tidal wave and engulf dozens of unnamed characters one minute then pile on top of named characters just to hug them the next 3. The white walkers did absolutely nothing, I'd have much preferred if they joined the fight once the walls were breached and fought inside the courtyard allowing some named characters to get a kill and therefore kill off a portion of the army in the process especially Jaime and Brienne but mainly Theon, it would have been great if he killed a white walker protecting Bran

DC99

Alright. Didn’t know the backstory. Still I think calling someone a miserable cunt because he hates season 8 seems a bit much to me. But whatever

Rey Jr

I disagree, but respect your thoughts on the matter. There's a clip of Benioff saying something along the lines of "we chose Arya specifically because we weren't thinking of her in the moment", meaning it WAS just to subvert expectations. Though Jon is shown to be a warrior and capable of killing the more powerful white walkers (in the show anyway), realistically, yes I don't agree he would be able to 1-on-1 the NK and that Arya, as shown in the later seasons, would be the best choice logistically. However, people are mad because Arya had nothing to do with NK, and Jon spent seasons staring him down - it made more narrative sense for it to be Jon. The others were integral to his story, and Arya literally just learned about this threat last season. Yes, I agree it would be stupid, but by season 8 it was already on that level of writing IMO. Also, Arya most definitely won’t be the one to kill the Night King in the books because he doesn’t exist lol. That is a show-only thing. I believe the writers probably merged the “Great Other” with the tale of the Night’s King — an ex-commander of the Night’s Watch who married a wight or something like that. Edit: found the clip of Benioff: https://youtu.be/ZJ1yC3yESLQ?t=534 Re-watching this and hearing him say they knew it would be Arya for the “past 3 years” annoys me even more. If that were the case, they should have hinted towards it being Arya instead of baiting people for a showdown with Jon.

Melon

It’s still my favourite episode of the season, but a lot of things felt unanswered. And then!!! We were hopefully going to get some answers with the Blood Moon prequel and then it got cancelled :(

Betty Alice

Yeah, Spartan, exactly how your broke down Arya killing the night king was how I felt. It was dope, but lacking at the same time

Betty Alice

ill be back to comment after the next few episodes 🥴

micah

@Brittany R Exactly, George doesn't do these super fantasy tropes of the knight in shining armor superhero saving everything. I have my own issues and criticisms of this episode, and Arya is one of them, but to say it was done because of some woke agenda is just flat out wrong.

SuddenImpulse

This has nothing to do with being woke.

SuddenImpulse

@Rey Jr he did make plenty of valid points. I think people have just noticed that he has not posted anything of any real positivity for multiple seasons worth of episodes and often does it in multiple posts per episode. It's all just super-trashing everything. He seems to legitimately super hate the majority of the show and has to remark upon it every episode. There is no nuance or complexity in it its just outright extreme verbose hate and extreme statements much of the time and I think for some people its just gotten a little old after months and months of it, there is no positive or balanced contributions. Its not healthy behavior to be going on a warpath like this multiple times a week. There is plenty wrong with this episode.

SuddenImpulse

My first ever Patreon comment, and no shock it has to come on this episode. While this episode, and season in general, has many plot holes and dumb moments, Arya being the one to kill the NK is not one of them. I do believe a lot of decisions made from a writers POV are questionable and debatable, but when I hear people hate on the fact that Arya made the kill and not Jon, I do believe they are wrong and unjustified: Jon is a leader. Jons arc has always been building him up to be a leader that united people, saw the bigger picture and made politically unconventional, but smart, choices. He started out wanting to be a warrior, fighting for a cause, and despite him constantly saying he didn't want to lead - he didn't want to be commander - he didn't want to be king, people constantly put him in this position. Without Jon, they would never have stood a chance in this fight. He made the tactical and political moves to make it happen. He did his part in defeating the NK and his army. Jon has been face to face with the KN many times throughout the show, but never won and never had any 'special' training nor has there been any signs that Jon from a warrior/fighting perspective, would be able to out-duel or fight him in combat. For people screaming they wanted a duel between them where Jon ended up defeating him - that would have made no sense and would have been very dumbed down for a series that has been so complex. There was never any indication that Jon would have been able to win such a duel. No one could. That is the point. The NK has been untouchable throughout the show and Jons destiny was never to 1on1 combat him. Aryas arc on the other hand has been building towards this specific skill. She has learned how to be an assassin, learned how to cheat death, been honing her skills. I am not saying this is what R. R. Martin has/had in mind, who knows how things will turn out in the books, but looking back on the other seasons, it does make sense. Arya being able to fight and sneak up on the NK is not a spur of the moment decision making, she has literally spent SEASONS (and years) learning to do that. There has been many talks and debates regarding who the best swordsmen and fighters in this universe are, granted Arya hasn't fought them 1on1, but she has showed her strength and capability against other people who has. She has shown throughout the show that it does make sense, that she is the one to defeat the NK.

Malene Jensen

Majority of the first 6 seasons were relying on plotlines and dialogue from the books. George Martin had plenty to criticize about D&D so not sure why you are leaving that bit out and only the compliments. The show was having issues from season 5 onward. As far as your critiques of the books, I can agree with some of it, but a lot of people will disagree with you on a lot of it. Its definitely something that can be debated though.

SuddenImpulse

I hate this season but I like S&P

Munir

I LOVED the episode and never understood the nitpickers. The tension was through the roof! I was so exhausted after watching it, you felt so many emotions. I also loved the darkness - it's the long night, it's dark, it feels real and chaotic! Also, regarding the battle strategy - it was an unknown enemy most never fought before. They didn't really know what awaited them. They did their best, even with sending the Dothraki out in the beginning. You remember, they fight best on the open field. The only things that nagged me a little bit: the White Walkers didn't do anything, and there should have been more deaths regarding the overwhelming fight. What hurt me most: House Mormont is gone. Jorah was one of the best characters. Yes, he died the way he wanted, but Dany lost a true friend, and a very important advisor. And it's a bit sad you didn't include the bittersweet moments between Sansa and Tyrion in the crypt.

CherryPi

Hard disagree. Have you read any of Martin’s books? He never writes anything that straight forward. Obviously we don’t know how the books will end yet (if he ever gets around to finishing them). But there’s no way you could convince me that he has ever intended ASOIAF to have such a “fairytale” ending.

Brit’sBiscuits

Would you rather the main characters died, and they finishes the show with a batch of extras? Have you watched tv before?

Morten Larsen

When Arya reunites with Jon at the Weirwood Tree, he's LITERALLY standing where the Night King is when she attacks him. And Jon's first words to her were "How did you sneak up on me?" So she had already proven herself capable of stealth at that point. If they chose to show her approach, it would have ruined the whole thing.

Morten Larsen

Yes, they are relentless and it *appears* many of the unsullied do die but many more should have died in the battle than what had (I can't say more on this without giving away spoilers). I was expecting more of the key characters to die in the battle, Ser Davos (no fighting ability), Gilly (they should not have been in the crypts anyway), Tormund (surrounded by the dead), Tarly (plot armour), Jaime (he only had one hand, surrounded by the dead) ... flesh this out over multiple episodes or a longer episode.

Oslo

One battle should never be an entire season. 2 episodes I can see that but there would be so much battle fatigue I would not want to watch that. More from the fight itself I can see that. ESPECIALLY more from the White Walkers, they could have tied that story line in wayyyyyy better.

Demo

I really don't understand you guys who dislike the last season of the show. Why are you watching if you hate it that much? Sure its not as good as the first couple of seasons, but its not bad. It's still a fantastic show.

Frank Jensen

Its so refreshing seeing you two enjoying the episode and not hating on every little detail like almost every other person in the world. Love you Pudgey!! Spartan, your the man

Justin

Spartan keep nit picking away mate, Knight Kings death was soooo underwhelming with Bran the Book-End looking on 🤣 seriously when you do a rewatch do make sure and you do one of the looks on your faces all the way through Classic 😂

John O'Neil

They are there to command. Not every commander themself fights in battles, we’ve seen this with Ramsay for example. But I do for sure agree that the white walkers were underutilized in this episode and would have been nice to see more from them and bran. However I don’t think that makes the whole storyline irrelevant like ppl seem to say

Gummybear

Agreed that certain characters should’ve been better utilized and fleshed out but that could’ve been resolved with a longer episode

Gummybear

That wouldn’t make sense at all. There is no opportunity to retreat that is precisely what makes the army of the dead so dangerous. They are relentless. They don’t stop until everyone is dead and part of their army. That is why they are the biggest threat. We’ve seen this shown time and time again throughout the show where they just completely overwhelm any area that they inhabit. The episode could have been longer to utilize certain characters more/better but the show was always set up for it to be one final battle with the highest of stakes.

Gummybear

Or at least a few episodes. I mean come on. D&D made this decision. They did not think HBO wanted more episodes or longer 7th &8th seasons of this extremely popular show?

Matt O'Keefe

Are you guys reacting to season 2 of jujitsu kaisen?

SnorlaX

Y’all really cry because he made some valid points. Maybe would be better to make counter arguments instead of hating on him for explaining why he didn’t like the season

Rey Jr

@gummybear what “battling” did they actually do though? They came and picked up scraps at the end of the war and then stood around waiting to be shattered without us learning anything about them. You’re coping if you say that’s all you expected from this threat that’s been hyped up for 7+ seasons.

MacJordanT

There were few things that I thought were a bit off. Why did dothraki charge? Seemed stupid knowing what numbers whites had 🤷‍♀️ decision about crypts - they all know night king has a ressurection power 🤷‍♀️ Jon's decisions (wait for night king? Peeps are getting whiped out! Running towards night king? Hello? Rise up dead people. Screaming dragon to death? 🤦‍♀️) Some bits that people hated I actually liked. I am one of few who liked the episode to be this dark. To me it exactly depicted how terrifying and unexpected fighting in pitch black is. I was glad most of my loved characters survived, but in reality half of them would be dead, if not more, especially knowing how GOT tends to kill off characters. Seemed like one of attempts to please the fans.

Natalija Fausta

Pudgey saying she's excited about what is to come is 😵‍💫

Ammaar Ahmed

i cant tell if your joking or not no shot you actually believe what your saying plus arya is in my top five character in the show over jon soooooooo your point is out the window

Lucas Russo

10/10 until season 4, season 5 was a 7/10, season 6 was a 6/10, season 7 was a 4/10 and season 8 is a 1/10. OVerall that gives it a score of 7/10 for me, was an amazing series that completely fell apart

Sean Carroll

his power is he can see stuf from the past and whats happening he aint suddenly superman still just a crippled dude

a k

have you not ever been on the Internet- this is the effect on majority of the fandom lmao

Ammaar Ahmed

Ammaar Ahmed

Ammaar Ahmed

Had to turn up the brightness on my phone to watch this 😂🤣 but it’s a fun episode and great the first time watching it for sure. And yeah the night king was very underutilized in the last season, he should have been the final big bad of the series. The white walkers weren’t even used in the battle! But you guys should definitely rewatch it in your free time and see what you notice going back a second time

Abraham Lever

Theon's death still hurts.

Faindy V.

I'm not going to repeat the common criticisms beyond this key one- the lack of fatalities of all these characters that have gathered.

Ammaar Ahmed

Imagine paying to watch a show on Patreon just to shit on it at the end 🤣💀 Literally paying someone just to rant about how much you hate something 😂

Tylor Stafford

Super excited to watch this edited version, I loved the long-form. I pretty much agree with all your takes on this S&P! Pretty sure I mostly just cried and felt like I was gonna jump out my own skin the first time

MattyK

❤️❤️

CpaSpartan Pudgey

yeah we can agree withxmany of those. we enjoyed it for what it was but definitely could have improved on many of the points you mentioned

CpaSpartan Pudgey

yep agree with this

CpaSpartan Pudgey

Scuba Steve, the battle of blackwater and at the wall and the battle of helms deep in lord of the rings are all at night and dont have any lighting issues, this episodes darkness makes it worse then it already is

Sean Carroll

arya was never a part of the white walker storyline, her story was about getting revenge on her enemies and returning home to her family, both of which were thrown to the side, arya doesnt kill cersei and also travels far away because D&D wanted to give her something random for her to do

Sean Carroll

The lighting was to dark at night time against the army of the dead 😂 I too hate when water is wet. Should we talk about the horrific strategic decisions for the battle of the bastards? Cuz that gets overlooked while the battle plans for fighting the army of the dead in a battle no one could ever conceive or hope to plan for. Let’s nitpick that one. 😂

Scuba Steve

First time watching this episode since it released and tbh, I liked it faaaar more than I did back then. Maybe my expectations were set a bit better, and I can sympathize a bit more with the difficulty of managing so many characters in a single event and trying to pay off everything. The prophecy of Jon being the Prince that was promised or whatever made it seem like he'd be the one to defeat the Night King, and maybe it would have been amazing if he did... But these days I'm more of a fan of natural storytelling where we don't get THE PERFECT outcome all the time, because life isn't like that. Arya teleporting onto the Night King could have been built up better so we had more of a hint that she was coming, or at least seeing how she got there, but tbh I'm totally fine now with Arya being the one to do it. Without Jon no one would have even been there in the first place. Without Jon, Arya couldn't have finished it. So yeah I've kinda pulled a 180 on this episode. Minus some dumb battle decisions made purely for cinematic effect, it's a great episode. Cinematic genius, not so much story writing genius but good enough. I wonder if my mind will change on the following episodes as well loool

SomeoneElse

Exactly. The Dothraki are the only real dumb thing for episode but that was doomed from the design of winterfell from season 1. This is a perfect example of peoples expectations being hurt because they wanted Jon

Scuba Steve

you filthy casual 😂

Jacob Black

they are crybabies, 99% of the people enjoy it full and can look past small inconsistencies...these ppl just think they discovered wheel when writing smallest nitpicks. Only real issue is misuse of Dothraki army, but it is what it is, Generals often make mistakes in war, why would they be immune to it. After all that's how Dothraki fight all their lives... Arya is perfectly well suitable to kill NK and everything is tied to her story in the show and her capabilities. She literally killed "god of death", as was one of her first lessons ever to be defiant to it. Imagine complaining "lighting was too dark"...I mean shut up you baby

MondayMorning

Additional episodes could have offered more insight into the Night King and his army. I felt if there was some coherent fighting strategy in place the battle could and should have been extended over more than one episode. The pivotal moment when Arya comes in just felt rushed and contradictory to what the Night King represented in terms of how he was constructed over the entirety of the show and his greensight abilities and could have been fleshed out better. Anyway, George Martin did an interview with The Wall Street Journal and he also felt it was rushed, he was trying to push for a longer series.

Oslo

There were tons of dumb decisions in this... The horrid battle strategies being some of the biggest. That being said though... the biggest issue with this episode was Jon not being the one to kill the Night King. This was during the beginning of the big push to add "woke" stuff into films though, when this was made. So that is most likely why they had Arya do it. Even though the whole lead up all series was for Jon to face him.

Sara Quinn

o cmon, they only real issue here is misuse of Dothraki, everything else is just you being crybaby that it wasn't like you wanted. Arya was built up throughout whole show and this episode for something like this and is perfectly well chosen to do a final blow. It was perfectly executed at the very top of the built up tension. It's by far the best episode of the whole show If it was John in some random unremarkable sword fight that kills NK, you would be saying "oh its so predictable bla bla" Always complaining

MondayMorning

Having to retreat and fight again another day, gathering more people and maybe finally Cersei.

Sara Quinn

Still better then 99 percent of tv shows. The fact you are passionate means they did something right. Also why the Arya hate. I did want a sword battle between Jon and NK and for him to kill. but Aryas arc has been building forever too. I think it’s aight. Not the best. But not horrible. I do think it takes a lot of the momentum out of the story. For that threat to be killed so quick. Way better then mid marvel shows that’s for sure. Even a lot of the movies

Jonathan Haws

But it is all D&D’s fault. Cuz Martin didn’t sign off on Winterfells design, which from season 1 doomed this battle from ever being successful or strategic on film. Winterfell is smaller, the wall is shorter, there is no double wall… etc all of these things led to logistical nightmares for the battle. Not to mention the sheer size and capabilities of the army without hero plot armor realistically they would have all died pretty quickly.

Scuba Steve

D and d get too much hate imo. I’ve read the first couple books and they have a lot of cringe. The whole concept of lady stoneheart being a big one. What makes death so impactful is it’s the end, so coming back and with such a horrible name is just so goofy. Tyrion is also mid in the books. Also Tywin. It’s crazy how much better the show is for a lot of this. The casting. The budget. The dialogue. Music. Effects. Etc. I do think it would have been better if they waited for all the books to be done. But They we’re spectacular at adapting and filtering the first seasons. I’d probably agree with any negative critique. But people love to shit on D and D for season 8 but act like the first incredible 6 seasons were not because of them. George Martin even admits as much. It’s the same problem with the last of 2. Following perfection and creating closure on a story of this scope is just hard.

Jonathan Haws

this show started going downhill since like S04 😒

Jacob Black

Imagine a show making you such a miserable cunt that you spent 100$ on Patreon years and years later to whine on the internet about how awful and atrocious this show is after each and every episode and then post this like “I haven’t seen it in years and am not sure” only to have a book ready to copy pasta 😂 some days I really wish Martin would finish the books… but then I remember people like this and I get more joy

Scuba Steve

I used to think the same. But I think it was before the night kings dragon got ripped to absolute shreds. So it makes sense it would be weaker possibly. I think it’s dumb how Jon just yells at it. Could have been cool if he killed it. I think this does bring up some intresting questions about necromancy in this word. I always imagined it’s like puppeteering. Where the night king just imagines what he wants them to do and can trigger the muscles to move. They certainly are a lot dumber though. Idk this is why I generally hate spells and stuff cause the6 always seem to be so plot driven and not internally logical at all and are kinda ruined when you think about them too much

Jonathan Haws

Yeah. But I was a broke college student when I first saw the episode in my old laptop so I had to squint the entire time. Strategic choices is also very much questionable.

V

I think they wanted to call back the line of only a fool faces the Dothraki in an open field. Also with a dragon and the way the horde can scale walls I don’t think it was horrible. I do think it was horrible how they didn’t wait for visual on the night king. Also jon hiding behind wall when dragon destroyed winter fell is a bit sus

Jonathan Haws

Pity it wasn't a 2 part reaction though

Aeron T Snow

God damn you cooked that episode😭 But seriously you made valid points. Also how did so many characters survive like Sam. And no main character died and Bran was doing absolutely nothing.

Rey Jr

Dang bruh you seem incredibly passionate in your distate to write all that out lol.

SuddenImpulse

The show is so wildly different from the books at this point I don't really think thats an issue with Martin so much as D&D were not capable of maintaining that quality. They started having a lot more issues after they got past the books but even before then they were making some pretty big changes that really contorted things and brought down the quality (Dorne, etc.)

SuddenImpulse

While the finale is the single biggest heap of shit in tv history this has to be the most disappointing episode in the entire series. After Arya killed the night king I turned off my tv and went for a drive. I didnt re watch the season until bout 2 years later. FUCK THIS EPISODE

Sean Carroll

Positives about this episode 1.Music 2. Jorah and Theons sacrifice, especially Theons, I love a redemption story 3. Cinematography looks great. That is all the positives, now here are all my negatives from memory. I havent watched this episode in 4 years 1.Dothraki charge towards the whites and die instantly, according to D&D thats the end of the dothraki but no they are still there later in the show, how is that possible? 2. How did Jorah and Ghost survive that charge 3. Cringe "stick em with the pointy end line" 4. Tyrion deciding to put every child and woman down in the crypts. Jon knows that the night king can raise the dead so why the hell wasnt this communicated in any way. 5. Bran warging all episode but actually doing absolutely nothing and then returning at the end just to be awake during the final moment. 6. Brans story being a total waste of time from start to finish, this was his culmination and he did NOTHING 7. How dark the episode was 8. Jon and Dany flying on dragons in the dead of night against an enemy who can see through it and also has his own dragon. 9. LYanna Mormont killing a fucking giant just because they wanted to get their girl boss queen moment 10. The battle tactics throughout the entire episode making absolutely zero sense. 11. The overwhelming plot armor given to main characters, jaime, brienne, sam, tormund and podrick were all getting overwhelmed by whites but they all somehow survived the unsurvivable 12. Arya getting a library scene where the whites are incredibly sensitive to noise and movement but somehow the white walkers at the end dont hear her running and jumping whilst screaming when she comes to attack the night king. 13. MElisandre changing the eyes line to arya because D&D wanted to justify their choice to have arya kill the night king 14. Ed saving sam and staying with him but then Ed being killed and sam running away 15. Sansa saying "I dont know how to use a sharp knife" dumbass and forced dialogue to get that cringe arya line 16. Dany waiting on the dragon on the ground while the whites run towards her to force a moment where Jorah saves her. 17. Jon not doing anything at all of importance during the battle 18. Jon surviving that army of whites deciding to walk towards him rather then swarm him because D&D wanted Jon to survive until the end. 19. Viserion being able to burn down the wall but cant burn a fucking rock 20. Jon yelling at Viserion for absolutely no reason, what the helll was the point of that 21. Arya somehow getting past hundreds of white walkers while screaming out loud 22. The night king not immediately squashing aryas throat when he grabbed her considering his strength at being able to pierce theons armor with a stick 23. Arya killing the night king when her story had absolutely nothing to do with the white walkers 24. Jon not killing the night king when his whole story has always been about the white walkers and the hype for three seasons for a jon vs night king showdown. Subvery our expectations huh These are the issues i grab from my head after 4 years of not watching this episode, if i actually rewatched it id probably find more mistakes

Sean Carroll

Loved your reaction! You guys are the best. I really liked this episode even though it has its plotholes. I think the problem with season 8 is that G RR Martin has kind of written himself into a corner. He is very good at building up stories but has a problem with wrapping them up. That's why he still hasn't released the 6th book in the series...it's been 12 years!! And when you think about it, it is almost impossible to wrap this up without it being a little bit anti-climactic.

Jontor11

How would that even work? There was nothing to suggest that, it was alway going to end in one big confrontation. How could they possibly drag out one singular battle over the course of a season?

Gummybear

He died thinking he failed bran again 🥺

Gummybear

Appreciate this comment :)

Gummybear

Ooof I never thought about this 🙈 that’s bad

Gummybear

Also loved your guys reaction to this one!! So much energy, passion and emotion (yes you too spartan :p). You guys are the best 🫶 I’ve never seen any other creators wholeheartedly immerse themselves into GOT like you two.

Gummybear

I get some of these criticisms but I also see it as the castle is the final barrier between the dead and the living. If they breached the castle, the battle would immediately be lost. They couldn’t risk that by using a traditional defence strategy, they had to try to take out as much of the army as they could beforeee they reached the castle.

Gummybear

I don’t understand people’s gripe with Arya being the one to deliver the final blow. And what do you mean they were irrelevant? They literally did what they set out to do-march beyond the wall and attack. Their storyline was always going to conclude with a battle and of course they were going to be conquered or else everyone would have to die and THAT would make the story completely irrelevant.

Gummybear

You’re not being nitpicky Spartan! Everyone pretty much felt the same. I agree it was a solid episode, it gets more flack than it should imo but those few extra details you mentioned, although they seem “small”, would’ve really tied the story together better and elevated this episode. It’s a shame but all in all your guys’ reaction has actually made me be able to enjoy this episode more this time around.

Gummybear

The logic behind Viserion being able to completely destroy the wall and parts of winterfell but John can hide behind a rock and not get injured still gets to me

sirboss__

battle of the basterds is much better from a filmakeing stanpoint also visually because you can actually see what is happening, same gose for hardhome and watchers on the wall and blackwater bay fight, these are all much better.

Lucas Russo

im happy that they found some way to enjoy it but even whilst they watch they question and comment on the stupidity of the entire episode like arya being stealthfull at the end somehow. there is an incredible amount of problems like all the plot armor, battle tactics, storylines, and even the way the lighting was used aswell as unnecessary over dramatisation like john screaming at the dragon for no reason also the unrilisticness of overpowering that many wihite walkers that was only supposed to be 100 thousand but turned out to be like 2 million and the worst part is that there are easy ways to make this episode ten times better even with the last two seasons being dog shit and they forgot about them all, david and dans excuses are even worse then the mistakes themselves, like when they said that the reason arya kills the knight king instead of john is to subvert expectations, worst episode in the show by a mile but im happy that they found someway to enjoy it

Lucas Russo

Solid 6/10 episode

Adrian Neagoe

I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, it's been fun watching your enthusiasm never dwindle every season, every episode.

Barrie

I remember I downloaded the video so I could watch it in proper HDR, and then added filters to add dithering to reduce banding. Stream compression did NOT do this episode any favors. But in proper HDR, in a proper dark environment, the darkness really does add to it. Especially with all the confusion. That's part of the horror. Staring into a black void waiting for death. Mostly my problem with the episode was with the strategic choices made. Especially just throwing Dothraki out there.

Jonathanese

Honestly I was hoping for some crazy Bran ability twisting time loop stuff like with The Door.

Jonathanese

Think this is my first comment on a GOT post. I have a lot of issues with this episode but since alot of people will probably post alot of criticism to this Ill refrain from that and talk about the positives. That initial wights charge was the scariest fucking thing. They weren't even walking just flowing like a tsunami. One of the things I liked most about this episode was how they showed both The Hound and Greyworm having some serious WTF am I doing here PTSD battle shock moments. Both of their characters have been shown to be pretty lethal in combat and not really afraid of anything, except The Hound with fire. But seeing what they were up against really threw them out of their element for a moment, kind of like that moment with Jon during the battle of the bastards where he almost gets smothered and Tormund has to get him to snap back to reality. Shit like that is what adds a sense of realism and humanity to the battle scenes. The deaths of Jorah and Theon were really emotional and the music was wow.

YounesCuppino

The Battle of Minas Tirith and the Battle of Helm's Deep are much better visually in comparison to this battle.

Oslo

The saddest thing is Theon died thinking the Night King won 😭

Lisa

So many disappointments that I cannot list them all. The battle tactics were completely ridiculous. Seven seasons led to this confrontation and it felt completely anti-climatic in my mind. The Long Night should have taken place over a full season, not one episode in a truncated last season.

Oslo

Arya killing the Night King makes no sense and is not tied up with her storyline. Bran warging for no reason. He is supposed to “fly” accor. To s4 finale. I was expecting him to warg on a dragon or something. Lyanna Mormont killing a giant, really?? That’s obviously for fanservice. Also where are the other houses? I’m expecting it to be like the 4x09 battle where even the stewards in the kitchen were fighting.

V

Great reaction. When this first came out there’s a lot of mixed reviews. Particularly on the lighting decisions on this episodes. It was too dark to enjoy. The music is amazing. It is incredibly entertaining during first watch. But as you watch it repeatedly- you’d realize a lot of prob with the episode

V

but you can't deny visually this is the greatest fight in all of television history

Demo

This episode was good in my opinion and I don't dislike it as much as some but you can't deny Arya being the one to deliver the final blow and the white walkers basically marching all that way to be completely irrelevant in the end is definitely one of the worst parts of the show

Demo

alot of people say the downfall of the show before this but i really think its this episode. exciting visuals but the combat tactics make absolutly no sense! catapults in front of the infantry? a front on calvalry assualt? completely ignoring the fact youve got a whole castle to use for defence? its crazy

Max Wiidanen

Just in time for bed 🫶🏽

Brendin Ivey

it’s the big one

Jackson