spartanandpudgey : Game of Thrones Uncut Reaction S8 E4

it’s not out of character y’all just can’t read between the lines even when it’s obvious

TokyoLopez

2024-01-28 03:20:52 +0000 UTC

I joined your Patreon primarily for the full length GOT episodes. It is one of a few productions that I enjoy watching reactions of. And yours have been particularly enjoyable. That said, I typically don’t watch reactions of GOT past the second episode of Season 8. But in your case, I wanted to see how you felt about these final episodes. I took a little delay, but I am now ready to finish your reactions to the series. Regardless of how you feel about how it all wraps up, you are perfectly entitled to your own opinions about it. If you end up loving everything about it I will be happy for you. I preface this with that sentiment because I was noticing in the last couple of seasons, that if anyone had any criticisms about the episodes, some of your followers would accuse people of trying to poison you against the show, or at least the later seasons. I thought that was truly unfair as dialogue and honest opinions should be respected IMO. I am a huge fan of this franchise. The premier season of GOT got me to read the books. After which I dove into this fandom head first and have actively participated in many aspects of the ASOIAF/GOT fandom for years, including being a contributor on one of the lesser known podcasts for years (as there are literally hundreds of them). That said I do have some strong opinions and criticisms about how the television show wrapped up, along with recognition of some bumpy patches from the time the television show went past the book material. Still it is probably my favorite long running television series. I have great appreciation for the production, the actors, the musical score and all the other craft people who worked so hard to make this amazing show. I do think it is very unfortunate that the show runners wanted to wrap up the series when HBO was more than willing to keep going and the George R.R. Martin was outspoken about the fact that there was quite a bit more story that could have been covered. At the same time, I can sympathize with the show runners wanting to move on. They originally thought they would be fortunate if they got to dramatize the Red Wedding. This series had to be incredibly draining to manage physically and mentally, especially when they hadn’t originally thought it would be going as long as it did. I can understand why you really enjoyed the long night battle. There was some amazing aspects to the production. But coming from that pesky perspective of having read the novels I felt that the White Walkers were taken care of far too easy. The White Walkers were the existential threat from the first episode. I think this is a great example of where they deviated from the book. The show runners were huge fans of the political drama and intrigue of this series. But they had much less interest or appreciation of the mystical and destiny aspects of the series. And for good or bad that is a big influence on how they chose to end the series,with the big climax focusing on a ultimate struggle between Cersei and Daenerys. I don’t even expect that the books will have Cersei in King’s Landing by the end of the story. While the Lannisters still control the Iron Throne at the end of the latest novel, George R.R. Martin has made it clear that control of the throne will have several turnovers before the end of the story. My biggest complaint in these last couple of seasons is that the story became plot driven rather than character driven. The show runners decided on how they wanted to end the story and from then on people’s actions were driven by what was needed to get to the end. And as a result the characters started to do things that were inconsistent with their previous behavior. One of the best examples from last season was the schism between Arya and Sansa prior to executing Littlefinger. I know that the two of you eventually believed that the girls had been playing Littlefinger all along. But that is inconsistent with what the actors said. They even cut out a scene where Sansa eventually went to Bran for answers before Littlefinger’s execution. There are plenty of other examples, but the drama between the two Stark sisters at that point in the story drove me crazy. So as I watched your reaction to this episode I saw how puzzled you were by the actions and reactions of several characters. I think this showed how these inconsistencies had become pretty apparent in these final episodes. After I watch your reactions to the final two episodes I am going to give you a short summary of where I think the story from the books is heading. It won’t be any kind of spoiler, as it will only be my assumptions based on some additional information. And I will make sure I do not include anything specific that would spoil your reading of the novels if you choose to do so. The show will have to remain it’s own version of things. George R.R. Martin has something he typically says when asked about the difference between the show and his story. He will ask the questioner “How many children does Scarlet O’Hara have in Gone with the Wind?” In the movie she had one child. In the book she three. He will then say that the answer is none, because Scarlet O’Hara wasn’t real. They are two versions of a story. And that is how he wants people to think about the show versus the book question. Someday someone else might make a different adaption of the ASOIAF novels through their own lens, and focusing on the things that they felt were most important in the story. And that is the process of art.

Blackeyedlily

2023-08-10 05:36:01 +0000 UTC

Sorry Mzuka, but i have different view and i dont like everything what happened in season 8, but i am ok with 80%. I am funny with people which think about something is not possible - Put to Dragon 3 times shots from moving ships, but you forgot, dragon was flying not fast, was injured after battle and was surprise this for them. And is fantasy = not real.

Radek Nohejl

2023-07-25 20:44:06 +0000 UTC

Incredible reaction by Pudgey for Missandei. Her reaction, the pain she felt, the lack of breathing for 10 seconds... really amazing reaction. Spartan: Daenerys knows that people prefer a King. Even the Dothraki didn't care about Daenerys and that's why they wanted to put her together with the other widows. Bronn was always friendly because he was being paid well by Tyrion. The offer of paying him double was to keep him on his side. In a sense he was afraid of him.

Fernando F.

2023-07-25 06:28:28 +0000 UTC

mailman delivers mail Spartan: "no way man, so out of character.." I mess with you guys. but y'all must have not been payin close attention to some of these characters lol there is some development involved. But all those "surprises" were pretty spot-on in terms of character consistency. It was some characters exhibiting their primary traits in a completely unsuprising way lol {read all this in the friendly tone that is intended} Braun was a cutthroat sent to do cutthroat things in the exact same way he always has. I'm not gonna lie, you being surprised by that scene blew my whole mind lol that was about as "in character" as it gets. Dany has some deep psychological associations between "the thrown" and love, belonging, her family and a home and some stability; all the most important things she never had... the very thought of happiness and wholeness, Everything she feels has been taken from her and everything that actually has been. she's gladly killed off tens of thousands of folks already for it. Sent people to die in battle. sacrificed her own. locked mfers in vaults to die of thirst. all types of stuff. All to rule a place she's never been in her life until JUST NOW. She even had rulership in the place she grew up in, folks who loved her etc.. But the very idea of "The thrown in Westeros" is a deep psychological defect to her, at this point. to put it mildly. She's chasing an idea, a concept of wholeness and lost youth; a phantom, really. One you can't catch But it's all she ever really had. Add on all she's been through... and her reaction is actually relatively mild and tempered. Really, it's just a tragic story of a lost, forgotten little girl no one ever loved. And her tipping the world upside down and burning it down to try to get back that life she never had and find someone to love her. To no avail. The pain it all illustrates is immense beyond words.. poor ol fictional gal. And every time she seems to be makin a little progress toward the things she actually CAN change, even, it's 2 steps back. it's also worth mentioning her paranoia, although undoubtedly exacerbated by the increasing trauma and instability she's faced, as well as the sting of losing her lover in one fell swoop.. was based on correct information. She was right. When people find out, they want Jon to rule. really, it's pretty wild that you would even expect her to just go "ya ok. you can have it". We've been watchin the same show, right? I waited a couple episodes to say that. So I didn't lead you into the results too much. I feel like I should add we all knew Aria and Gendry would get busy since they met, damn near. The show was settin that up for a future possibility from the start(when she grew up, of course). I still mess with you guys. I'm not tryin to instigate. Take this as friendly banter, which it is, But I'm surprised you were surprised. All spoken with love. don't trip or anything

Jeremy Dunfee

2023-07-12 07:03:57 +0000 UTC

Because i like something you dont?

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-11 05:56:13 +0000 UTC

It’s wild to me that Spartan just expects dany to give up the throne after ALL she has sacrificed, especially in the name of helping others (unlike stannis who sacrificed everything in the name of self-interest). Why should she give up her destiny for love to someone who doesn’t even want it just because he is a man?? John doesn’t even have any experience as a ruler, he is a warrior and always has been. Yes he is loved and respected but that doesn’t mean he would be effective in actually ruling and making decisions which dany has been training for for 8 seasons! The one time John was making decisions on his own his own people murdered him! I’m not saying John wouldn’t be a good king but it’s crazy to not understand dany’s perspective in all of this.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:49:20 +0000 UTC

Lol most annoying person on here

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:34:33 +0000 UTC

Yeah ridiculous and misogynistic take…

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:33:29 +0000 UTC

It’s not what happened it’s HOW it was written! Stop commenting the same thing on every comment and every post and accept that MANY people don’t like the later seasons for VALID reasons. Just because you do doesn’t mean you get to discredit others opinions and push your narrative down everyone’s throats. It’s annoying and old

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:28:51 +0000 UTC

Totally agree!! Except for the part of John icing her out because he’s not into incest… don’t think that was ever established and pretty sure it was more nuanced than that. I took it primarily as he was avoiding her because he knew how this news would drive a wedge between them politically more than anything and also sexually but the latter was clearly reconcilable as they seemed just as passionate in this episode.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:24:05 +0000 UTC

Most ridiculous comparison

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:20:25 +0000 UTC

Pretty idiotic plan then… what did she expect would happen with her provocation attempt. And cercie had the clear advantage in that defence. She could have easily ambushed dany again without putting herself in any real danger. It’s sad you are unable to recognize poor writing because you are so blindly loyal to this season

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:19:05 +0000 UTC

Exactly. It’s so ridiculous to me that Spartan just expects dany to give up the throne after ALL she has sacrificed, especially in the name of helping others (unlike stannis who sacrificed everything in the name of self-interest). Why should she give up her destiny for love to someone who doesn’t even want it just because he is a man?? John doesn’t even have any experience as a ruler, he is a warrior and always has been. Yes he is loved and respected but that doesn’t mean he would be effective in actually ruling and making decisions which dany has been training for for 8 seasons! The one time John was making decisions on his own his own people murdered him! I’m not saying John wouldn’t be a good king but it’s crazy to not understand dany’s perspective in all of this.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:16:22 +0000 UTC

LOL is this satire??? You’re lost dude

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:06:29 +0000 UTC

I totally agree. Also found the intervention between Sansa Arya and John so weird. What reason at this time does Arya have to say that she/they don’t trust “the dragon queen”?? She just fought alongside them and has been nothing but gracious to them. Seemed so out of place just to force a moment for John to reveal his parentage.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:05:36 +0000 UTC

That is a very ignorant perspective lol. Most people that are emotionally intelligent are able to empathize with others regardless of gender.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:02:13 +0000 UTC

I agree with this comment. A lot of Spartans views/comments have subtle misogynistic undertones and I don’t think he even realizes it, he was just socialized that way. And I’m not saying it in a hateful way either, as someone who enjoy their content and thinks Spartan means well. It is worth discussing and considering but its a very complex conversation that people aren’t ready for.

Gummybear

2023-07-11 02:01:05 +0000 UTC

Jon would have a higher status tho

JeremyRD LaMaxima

2023-07-10 14:36:53 +0000 UTC

Im sorry but you guys have to understand where Dany’s coming bruh. She lost a great deal of her armies, her allies and and her children just so she could help Jon and be queen. Yes shes paranoid, for obvious reasons 💀, she literally explained why! They way people look at Jon, they way they talk about him. She paranoid because she thinks once everything is over they’ll want to make Jon the rightful king once they find out who he actually is. Like yes she seems a bit off, but that’s because of everything she’s lost due to this. I know you guys are biased because you love Jon but you also have to understand other’s people perspective. I’m not trying to rant, im just saying THINK for a second.

JeremyRD LaMaxima

2023-07-10 14:34:20 +0000 UTC

screw the targaryens...starks all the way

Mark Laniel

2023-07-10 04:15:59 +0000 UTC

a few notes....Cersei has never been able to murder tyrion, even after having multiple chances. Jon's best friend is Ghost and they made it seem like he couldnt be bothered with him. Missandei is such a minor character, especially in the books, and they made it seem like that was the main reason dany finally goes nuts. And finally, Bron tells jaime he couldnt handle him even on his best day lol.....on Jaimes best day he would have wiped the floor with bron.

Mark Laniel

2023-07-10 04:07:29 +0000 UTC

Can we talk about the fact that Missandei died in chains after being enslaved and then finally liberated only to be put in chains once more then killed? Will never forgive the writers for that one.

Meagan

2023-07-07 07:15:02 +0000 UTC

That's the trick. everyone thinks Jaime changed. He never did, he's always been full of self-loathing. It reached a fever pitch with his daughter dying in his arms and seeing what Cersei has become. Jaime knew he didn't change and his self loathing spurred him to reject what he felt he didn't deserve: A happy ending.

Darth Sckolar

2023-07-07 02:11:38 +0000 UTC

Agreed. His friendship is in the fact that he didnt kill Jaime outright.

Darth Sckolar

2023-07-07 01:58:09 +0000 UTC

You got to understand Danny has know nothing else but being queen her whole life. She build herself up from nothing as a child. The only experiences she has are bad things being done to her and gaining power. She doesn't know how to deal with all of these emotions, people not loving her and losing her dragon a lot of her army so much sacrifice and now she's not getting the same love she feels she deserves that she received in Essos. I agree it seems she only cares about one thing and its a little off but it makes sense she spent her whole life building up to being queen and ruling and now if its taken away she's scared and has no clue what to do. Its not like she can go to therapy or seek guidance on how to not be queen she really knows nothing else. I forgot to mention losing Misande and Jorah... and shes realistically like 16 at this point.

Alex

2023-07-06 23:12:10 +0000 UTC

I hated the last season just to long wait to be let down sucked. But watching Spartan and Pudgey enjoy the final season is actually a nice change and makes the re-watch significantly better.

Alex

2023-07-06 22:34:42 +0000 UTC

I definitely agree, it’s out of character for Dany. Spartan, your comments on characters and stuff is how most of us felt lol

Betty Alice

2023-07-06 22:19:56 +0000 UTC

Jon getting the throne mightve reminded her of Viserys who did not work for it and yet the rightful heir because he was a man,

Flexorcist

2023-07-06 16:24:57 +0000 UTC

This is absurd, reductionist, and toxic. It's not how people are wired, it's how they're socialised to put men and their perspectives first. Even Pudgy does it. This particular habit of thinking women owe men reciprocation of sexual attention is responsible for so much violence against women. It's completely possible to learn to take women's perspectives into consideration.

Kate

2023-07-06 09:39:53 +0000 UTC

I don’t think we’ve seen one moment since season 1 of Cersei making Jamie happy. He might be dependent on her but the show never really showed that whatever he gets from her is happiness.

Random Random

2023-07-06 08:00:30 +0000 UTC

I’m waiting too 🥲

Destinee Yang

2023-07-06 04:28:56 +0000 UTC

Tomorrow

Christopher

2023-07-06 04:22:48 +0000 UTC

Spartan is a dude. He sympathize's with tormund. Your a girl. You sympathize with Brienne. That's all it is nothing more.

JBlaze24

2023-07-06 04:17:10 +0000 UTC

That's THE moment we're all waiting for lol

Junior

2023-07-06 03:56:23 +0000 UTC

i’ve refreshed a few too many times lol definitely can’t wait for their reaction 😬

David H

2023-07-06 03:40:25 +0000 UTC

I just wanted to see Spartans reaction to the plot twist lmao.

Robert L

2023-07-06 03:34:59 +0000 UTC

:(

Robert L

2023-07-06 03:04:12 +0000 UTC

Is 8x5 delayed? I've been waiting all day :(

Junior

2023-07-06 02:52:03 +0000 UTC

The rewrites give them satisfying endings in terms of completing good character arcs. I understand people who aren't that invested in GoT thinking the last season was fine, but if you were genuinely invested there is just no possible way you can think the final season had satisfying conclusions (satisfying does not mean dream ending btw). To avoid spoilers, the one big thing that's ended so far is the Night King, and it was wildly stupid to make Arya kill him, with absolutely no confrontation between Jon and NK. And to be clear, this is just a stupid thing D&D admitted they came up with by themselves, so I'd bet a kidney that it won't happen like that in the books (if they get written). 'if you paid attention' is typically condescending from someone who thinks this season was good, but to actually believe that you have to have literally no media literacy.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-05 18:21:22 +0000 UTC

They already have seen the whole show. So there really are no spoilers at this point.

I❤️movies&tvshows

2023-07-05 15:14:32 +0000 UTC

They already finished the season

Rey Jr

2023-07-05 09:57:41 +0000 UTC

Ramsay was being super arrogant because he thought he had a large advantage over Jon and it cost him dearly. Provoking the daughter of the Mad King seems pretty idiotic to me.

Munir

2023-07-05 09:17:33 +0000 UTC

Bronn was never friends with Tyrion and Jaime. He doesn’t even pretend to be. He’s a sellsword who goes with the highest bidder. Look at the reunion scene in S7E10. Bronn is doing Bronn this episode. It’s totally in character.

David Thomas

2023-07-05 09:00:22 +0000 UTC

💯💯💯💯💯💯

David Thomas

2023-07-05 08:56:22 +0000 UTC

I’m don’t know… I know many people in life who make character progression and then relapse considerably. Some people wave to change but they can’t. Their addictions are too strong, habits too strong. Jaime’s return to Cersei is disappointing but also wholly realistic.

David Thomas

2023-07-05 08:53:02 +0000 UTC

She was trying to provoke dany just like ramsay did with jon by killing rickon. It worked, just not the way she hoped for.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-05 06:30:10 +0000 UTC

So we are in a agreement, its what happends that people have an issue with not the how? Great. They give them their dreamending. The ending we got made perfect sense if you paid attention.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-05 06:27:52 +0000 UTC

Yes, jaime already at least "mentaly" Split from cersei in book 4/5. He will have a much harder job to convince readers and sell his return to cersei. Book readers were always annoyed that jaime spent more time with cersei in the show than in the books. Now, we know why.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-05 06:19:38 +0000 UTC

You’re in denial Druckerberg, but I’m glad someone enjoyed this shitfest.

Mzuka

2023-07-05 05:52:47 +0000 UTC

s8 was the beginning of the shows downfall but ep4. is really where it picked up the pace.

Jhazzrun

2023-07-04 23:45:13 +0000 UTC

@SuddenImpulse I agree but disagree. Stannis (via burning people alive at the stake), Cersai (via burning people alive with wild fire), and Dany (via burning people alive with her dragons) all committed arguable crimes against humanity to maintain and demonstrate power and defeat their enemies. It’s like picking a “right” or “wrong” side in war—motives matter, but once the innocents start dying, it becomes so ugly and evil that it’s hard to root for anything but for it to STOP. What bothers me about the three above is that we don’t see them onscreen (since we’re discussing the show version) struggling with genuine remorse for the loss of innocent lives. It’s very ends-justify-the-means, but there’s no mourning for humanity about the cost of said means. I want a moment of, look at my works, ye mighty, and despair! I want a moment of crushing grief from someone who CAUSED the suffering. This is one thing The Wheel of Time truly got right (I bring it up because Robert Jordan and GRRRRM were very friendly and discussed their works while Jordan, a war vet, was still living, and both series have a huge theme in common—getting the audience to really, really want to see the super powerful fantasy characters with supernatural powers to fight it out with their enemies, but completely making the audience regret rooting for that violence once they see how absolutely terrible it is when it plays out and the world suffers). One of the WoT main characters descends into madness throughout the books and people assume it’s simply due to his fate and repeated exposure to evil (and yes those do contribute), but when you pay attention to what he does after minor conflicts and major battles alike, he’s doing things like memorizing the names or faces (both, when possible) of women who’ve died as a result of violence caused by him or in his name. After the most violent mid series battle, he refuses to leave the scene until he’s walked the field and stared at all of the dead and felt the responsibility of those lost lives, whether or not they were fighting on his side. He has so much remorse that he piles and piles exposure trauma onto his PTSD so high it subtly becomes one of the biggest contributors to his madness. I would LOVE to see JRRRRM write Dany’s madness (instead of what we see in the show) to see if it hurts her the way it hurts Jordan’s character, who genuinely hates himself, or if she’s proud of her actions and stands by all her choices. Both Jordan’s character and Dany believe they’re fated to save the world, but I wonder if the later would be written suffering from her actions and grieving for humanity the way that the former does.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

2023-07-04 23:34:10 +0000 UTC

I’m just impressed Spartan finally admitted he loves to hate Cersai. That’s all I ask for—if she’s acknowledged as a good villian, she’s a good character. The acting AND the writing make her an excellent character, even if we don’t root for her.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

2023-07-04 22:53:30 +0000 UTC

I know, I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure what Cersei expected after she killed DANY's 'child' and best friend.

Munir

2023-07-04 21:14:22 +0000 UTC

These comments have spoilers.

Rainbow

2023-07-04 20:59:07 +0000 UTC

Personally I really dislike how they changed this from the books. I really cannot see Jaime doing this at this stage based on where his thoughts are regarding Cersei in the books at this stage.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-04 19:06:29 +0000 UTC

Brother Raeghal was hundreds of meters away high in the sky. It is literally impossible for 100% accuracy from that distance. On the other hand it is almost impossible to not hit Drogon when he is that close. They had many crossbows and he is a big target. Just accept that it is not logical Also alright you like the Dany twist and that she was the villain all along. Cool. That doesn’t make it a well written season. And like I said. Even if you love the season(Everyone can have his opinion)you have to admit that there are flaws like this one with the dragons. Whatever we argued a lot about the season already. Don’t want another long discussion

Rey Jr

2023-07-04 17:13:13 +0000 UTC

Its not rocket science. If she flew in and burned the Red Keep from the very beginning, she would have killed Cersei and minimized the casualties of war. Now that time has passed, Cersei is able to take advantage of her hesitance by having the the population of kings landing reside within the walls of the red keep. This all happened because of Tyrions terrible advice. Seems like it’s very hard for the audience to look at a character motivations from different perspectives. If you put yourself in Danys shoes, this would all be be very obvious. You can understand why she’s spiraling downwards because of the betrayal of the people closest to her. It doesn’t make you biased to look consider different viewpoints and this coming from someone who is a fan of Jon Snow. In any case, my point proves itself.

Supreme Leader

2023-07-04 16:40:28 +0000 UTC

It is and this is the whole point, its supposed to be tragic.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 16:17:26 +0000 UTC

I'm not just talking about Brienne when I say his character progression. He was starting to be a better man in general. But he just goes back to Cersei which I get it but it is still shit for his character.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:53:21 +0000 UTC

Tyrion hasn't been around Bronn for ages, he's been with Jamie the past few seasons and for all the risks he took what does he have to show for it? He used his leverage and who can blame him? Lol

Flipnskater

2023-07-04 15:52:34 +0000 UTC

Tyrion always did right by Bronn idk what you mean. They used to be so close and Tyrion paid him well and rewarded him.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:50:33 +0000 UTC

Cersei makes him happy, brienne doesnt. He loves Cersei, not Brienne. Nothing was thrown out the window, it was fullfilled.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 15:37:59 +0000 UTC

Episode 3 was the most epic episode, but 4 was much better character Drama. It started off very emotional, then cheerful after all the dread from previous episode, its funny... then we get serious Drama, conflict and Intrigue again... then shocking Events like rhaegals and missandeis deaths. Its Classic Thrones at its finest.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 15:36:45 +0000 UTC

She would be queen still in that instance tho.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:17:30 +0000 UTC

I think episode 4 has some of the most problems in that regard. 1-3 was pretty fine and made sense.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:16:59 +0000 UTC

I think episode 3 cannot be defeated I disagree it's the best episode.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:15:55 +0000 UTC

Legit makes me laugh so much. Whenever he goes on a random tangent about Cersei I crack up.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:15:02 +0000 UTC

Character bias is an ironic thing for you to say lol. Might want to look into the mirror mate. Also I just realised your name and profile picture holy shit this is gold. Makes perfect sense that you are defending Dany.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:13:45 +0000 UTC

Yeah Jamie's character progression getting thrown out the window is really sad. Loved that they made him turn a new leaf, but then he just goes back to Cersei. Bronn was abit out of character aswell I agree. Arya saying no to Gendry made sense for her character after all "that's not her". But I would have loved to see her marry him and kind of grow past her not wanting to be a Lady. Love the celebration in this episode with everyone being happy aswell as the goodbyes. But i remember being super pissed that John didn't say a proper goodbye to Ghost. Sansa pissed me off majorly she swore to keep the secret and told Tyrion like 10 minutes later. Also I absolutely hated that we didn't get to see John tell them the secret or even their reaction. Danys sudden paranoia in this episode is really jarring honestly on a rewatch. I get some of the reasons she's paranoid. But it's like they had to turn it up to 110% to progress the story. Sansa being a dumb bitch and everyone giving John the glory and calling him King didn't help ofcourse. Love the discussion tho between Tyrion and Varys you can see Tyrion starting to have doubt but wanting to stay loyal. Varys ofcourse is loyal to the realm and I respect him doing what's right. The Dragons death in this episode was super sad for me, honestly it hit me harder than Missendei's death. Idk why but just how sudden and graphic it was gets to me. Plus the dragon cries always make me heartbroken.

Valcor

2023-07-04 15:13:05 +0000 UTC

Good comment. Yeah they are definitely irrational with their Cersei hate

Rey Jr

2023-07-04 14:58:06 +0000 UTC

I am talking exclusively about 8x4 just to clarify.

Rainbow

2023-07-04 13:17:53 +0000 UTC

The idea that the later seasons are the most impactful is genuinely hilarious. They are universally slated for a reason. All rewrites have different endings because even a toddler could understand that the ending in the show was wildly inconsistent with the characters, so the rewrites give them endings that actually make sense, and which would have been genuinely satisfying, not like Dan and Dave subverting expectations for shock value while throwing away years of character building.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-04 13:05:01 +0000 UTC

Just like your dany Bias. If she just straight up burned kingslanding from the get go... how is this different to the endresult?

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:52:27 +0000 UTC

Yeah, but im hopeful lol

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:48:03 +0000 UTC

They were able to kill rhaegal so easily because it was an ambushed, rhaegal was heavily injured and they were not prepared. In 8x5 drogon is healthy and they are prepared.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:46:38 +0000 UTC

I prefer later seasons, they have more rewatchvalue and are more impactful. If a toddler could do a better job, why do all rewrites have a completely different ending? It proves that its what happened, not how it happenened, is what people have an issue with. Dany Fans wouldnt like dany committing genocide no matter how she does it, or jaime fans how he returns to cersei, or how jon gets exiled or how bran becomes King. Or how jon doesnt fight the night king or how jaime sleeps with brienne and leaves her a few days later lol

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:44:18 +0000 UTC

Well, Dany killed everyone, not only her and her child.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:37:22 +0000 UTC

Multiple assassinations attempts on you as throughout your youth and finding out that one of your best friends and advisor betrayed you isn't enough of a reason for paranoia? Growing up in the world she did in the way she did isn't enough reason for paranoia? You mean she just never caved into it. Her fall into doing so should've been built up and shown on screen. She is a main character, he emotions and development should be at the forefront, not a footnote congested into a 30 second scene.

Brandon Thompson

2023-07-04 12:35:42 +0000 UTC

Everyone is bias to their favourite characters though? I can see it from Dany, Jon’s and Tyrions perspectives. From my perspective Dany was driven by the throne, was diverted because she actually cares about people and then when headed to Westeros especially Jon but she also has authoritarian/rash instincts due to her self confidence and let’s be real entitlement based on everything she has achieved and believed. After the battle and her losses she becomes paranoid and justifiably as she knows she isn’t loved like that in Westeros and she knows how much Jon is loved and she knows who he really is. In regards to Tyrion, most reactors I have seen heavily criticise him and especially most of the community do for his tactics in this season. I see it as family and the people of kings landing are his weakness. He underestimates Cersei and he also really struggled watching his families soldiers burn in 704.

SeanThePrawn

2023-07-04 12:34:50 +0000 UTC

Reigning over her ancestors continent is her coming home and "make westeros great again." She never thought there would be anymore targaryens out there like jon, so home never meant family for her.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 12:16:58 +0000 UTC

God, chill out

Sean van Hengel

2023-07-04 12:08:39 +0000 UTC

Varys and Tyrion mainly discussed who should be ruler, not why dany is terrible. We have already seen her worst impulses in Action enough to be aware of it, but not yet to the extent of being totally convinced by it or being used to it already. Thsts why the shock works so brilliantly in 8x5. If she was already darth vader for 2 seasons, like many people suggest would have been better, you lose the entire shock. Dany struggles with herself if she can actually do it and she did. It was hard and neccesary from her pov. Jaime and Bronn also acted in character. Many people claim show dropped after season 4. S&P are one of many people that prove the opposite: it gets better. I believe rewatchvalue of later seasons is also much higher than earlier seasons.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:58:45 +0000 UTC

lol yeah

Ghostcat

2023-07-04 11:49:44 +0000 UTC

Showing emotion doesn’t make you weak. She cares deeply about someone who she feels is likely heading to his death. It doesn’t lessen the fact she’s a capable knight and person.

Victoria E (vickster5001)

2023-07-04 11:42:07 +0000 UTC

Yeah, its showing by them still insisting that cersei is the one, who needs to be stopped, when in reality it is dany. They acknowledge that she is getting more and more paranoid the closer she gets to the throne, both are lost, cersei and dany. Cersei has to stay in Power to survive and dany wants to take the Power.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:24:43 +0000 UTC

Great take, Anna. Fully agree.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:20:56 +0000 UTC

8 seasons were enough.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:09:11 +0000 UTC

That once again, doesnt negate anything i just wrote.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:08:36 +0000 UTC

Entire Episode consists only of golden scenes.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 11:05:14 +0000 UTC

They already finished the story weeks ago.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 10:39:21 +0000 UTC

Yeah, Dany knew that Sansa would prefer Jon on the Iron Throne rather than herself. This preference made perfect sense though, because Sansa trusted Jon as a person. He is her brother, someone who understands the desires of the North and empathizes with his people's yearning for autonomy. Sansa did break a promise by revealing Jon's true parentage, but I find it odd that people often place more emphasis on that broken promise without fully considering its context. The promise was about protecting Daenerys' claim to the throne. Throughout the series, Dany had always asserted herself as the last rightful Targaryen heir. And it's understandable because she had no knowledge to the contrary. However, once she learned the truth, she still wanted to claim this as the truth, and in turn, maintain Jon's bastard status in the eyes of everyone else in order to eliminate him as a threat to her own claim. She wanted Jon, but she wanted him under specific circumstances. Those circumstances being her as his Queen, him as her subject, and him the bastard of Winterfell, something Jon has always felt down on himself about. Now that Sansa also knows the truth, people expected her to keep it a secret. However, Sansa has witnessed firsthand the consequences of her family's ventures southward. History has shown her that her family members have suffered and died when entangled in the politics of the capital. Given this, why would Sansa want Jon to venture south with someone she doesn't trust, someone whom Tyrion (Dany's own hand) has shown to fear? And why should she keep this crucial information hidden, in case Daenerys were to grow unpredictable. Sansa also witnessed Daenerys prioritize her desire for the Iron Throne over the well-being of her people. She saw Dany send her wounded dragon and battle-weary soldiers back into the throes of war without allowing them time to rest. This act indicated to Sansa that, at that point, Daenerys was more concerned about seizing power than the welfare of her subjects. On the other hand, Sansa has consistently prioritized her people and fought for their autonomy, refusing to budge on their desire to be free from southern control. When Jon asks Sansa to swear not to tell anyone, she is smart enough to realize that he made this request because of Daenerys. This leads Sansa to believe that Daenerys wants Jon to keep his true identity a secret, allowing her to falsely claim the throne as the only Targaryen left. Given Sansa's lack of trust in Daenerys and her belief that Jon is bound by his rigid honor and love for Dany, why should she keep silent? It becomes clear to Sansa that she must take action to protect her family, her people and their interests.

connie

2023-07-04 10:07:37 +0000 UTC

They said they would reserve judgement until the end, not exactly a ringing endorsement. Before this episode, you were right that they were on the same page as you but now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll find out soon.

Munir

2023-07-04 09:48:37 +0000 UTC

As a political movement, it is evident that there is no downside, Sansa knows the consequences perfectly, it is a mixture of Tyrion, little finger and Cercei, something she had to learn to get what she wants, but from Dany's point of view it has logic that she does not want it to be known It's not just paranoia, he's right because Sansa doesn't keep the secret, Dany can be many things but she's not stupid and she knows what that means... I love the Starks above all, including Sansa and what she wants but This part made me angry, more because of Jon's trust than anything else and how I said, Sansa has her reasons, it's a shame I can't say more, but what I wanted to say is that no other stark had broken a promise so quickly... well, Rob, but it took longer and he didn't go to his family.

ruth cueva

2023-07-04 09:00:16 +0000 UTC

I don't get why people were so shocked about Bronn. That man is a CUTTHROAT. First and foremost he is here for the money. People mad that he's doing what he's been doing the entire time, like he isn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart, he wants his payment lol, and they've been stringing him along for YEARS (unintentionally, but still). It's like you put your life on the line over and over for someone who promised you a huge payout and never deliver, why would you not be pissed?

connie

2023-07-04 08:59:15 +0000 UTC

"Dany comes North when she didn't have to." I mean the only other option she had was to either fight with the rest of them, or flee back to Essos. There was no other choice besides those two. And if she didn't help, and once the Army was over the wall, Westeros was doomed. "Sansa was so ungrateful." Grateful? Dany didn't do it out the kindness of her heart, she had motives that would benefit her. How would it sound if Cersei came North, helped fight then people went and called them ungrateful for not letting Cersei stay Queen? What sense does this make? Dany intended to be Queen of all the Kingdoms, even though she knew the North did not want anyone but a Northman ruling them. They all fought to survive and be able to carry on with life as they saw fit. They all helped each other in the end, Dany would have died without the North, and vice versa. "All Sansa cared about was power." Actually, that was Dany, seeing as she not once stopped talking about the throne, before or after the battle. She literally tried to make Jon keep the secret of his birth to himself, all so she can falsely claim a throne, while Sansa did not once try to seize power for herself, or even speak about any power. She actually stood by Jon as King in the North, and tried to get Jon to STAY in the North to rule as Warden, even after Tyrion told her she'd be the true power in the North if he was gone. It's very funny how Dany stans portray it so backward. Dany was the power hungry one here, and it was very evident in this season.

connie

2023-07-04 08:57:34 +0000 UTC

They said so. They had nitpicks but they are just that: nitpicks.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-04 08:48:19 +0000 UTC

No se puede hablar con toda libertad. Amo a Sansa y entiendo todo. Solo digo que no ha sido leal. No es por dany, es por Jon. Nadie quiere que Cercei reine aunque al norte le da igual siempre que les dejen en paz. Pero no están en esa situación, se han comprometido. Igualmente los hombres del norte se podrían haber quedado descansando sin problema.

ruth cueva

2023-07-04 08:46:22 +0000 UTC

"sansa doesn't want dany as queen" literally nobody does. except dany's own people. and i've always found it odd for people to say "sansa is more tully," like what does that even mean? like it's supposed to be an insult, but it isn't. tully words are "family, duty, honor," so if anything, sansa being tully just proves how much she values her family, even over duty or honor, she'll put them first. also, what does "being a stark" even mean? like starks are not defined by a single trait, but if they were all like ned and rob, they'd all be dead facing off against the south. notice how all those "stark" traits got them all killed. even jon died, he just lucky he was needed by the lord of light. so if anything, it's a good thing sansa is smart enough not to implement all those "stark" traits, because that shit doesn't work when you're fighting snakes in the south who don't respect the values the north does, and she's smart enough to realize that.

connie

2023-07-04 08:41:35 +0000 UTC

Tired of people using Ned keeping the secret to rag on Sansa. Ned specifically kept that secret because he knew Robert would kill Jon if he knew, which was because he wanted to kill all Targaryen's for vengeance. But once Robert was dead, there was literally no reason to keep it anymore. Had Ned lived, Jon would've learned he was Aegon Targaryen years ago. The ONLY reason Dany wanted Jon to keep it a secret, was to protect her false claim to the throne. She was fearful if people knew, then they would declare for him, and not her. But she isn't the rightful heir, Jon is, though she's been fighting for it so long, thinking she's the only Targaryen left to claim it, that now she won't give it up for anybody. She was literally telling Jon to keep something so big that is very important to him, that's defined his life for years, all so she can falsely claim the throne. And mind you, if Dany tried to hurt Jon for that, it only serves to prove Sansa right, I hope you all know that. People knowing he's a Targaryen isn't like before, with Ned. Before, Robert the King would've had Jon's life. But this time, the only person who Jon would be in danger from, is Dany. But if he is, that literally just proves Sansa is right to distrust and dislike her? Because why would Dany kill somebody who is kind, good, honorable, someone she claims to love, who is her family and who everyone adores, all because SHE wants the damn throne? Sansa told because she feared Jon would be in danger being in the south. She saw Dany's own hand was scared of her, and telling himself how much he believed in her, but Sansa saw through it. Even Tyrion admitted he was thinking about if Jon would make a better ruler, Sansa saw through the bs, that's why she told. Ironically, while Ned kept the secret to protect Jon, Sansa TOLD it to protect Jon. Because if Dany went haywire and she tried to hurt Jon out of paranoia or what have you, who would know the deeper motivations behind it, if the secret died with him? Who would be able to shield him or let people know the facts? How about Tyrion, the same guy who is Dany's hand, someone both Sansa and Jon trust and who was helpful to Sansa when SHE was held in the south? Sansa was making sure Jon had an ally who knew the truth when he was no longer safe in the North. She isn't terrible, she's the one thinking logically, while Tyrion was thinking off emotion and desperation to believe in someone which vastly clouded his judgement, and Jon was acting on pure honor and nobility, even to a fault.

connie

2023-07-04 08:24:37 +0000 UTC

A bit crazy that the extreme Jon bias in this show makes people forget why a character even exists. Daenerys lost Missandei, Jorah, 2 dragons, a large bulk of her army, and having her whole identity questioned ever since she's arrived in Westeros. Done all that she has done and receives little/no gratitude or love from the people around her. It's not hard to believe why she's drifting into insanity. The notion that Dany is selfish and only cares about her end goal is silly. She still chose to save and fight alongside the people to defeat the night king regardless of her pursuit of the iron throne. Also, people give Tyrion too much credit for his intelligence and capability as a war commander. Are we going to pretend that there are no casualties in war and that every person needs to be saved? Had she attacked kings landing immediately after she arrived, against Tyrion's advice, she would have won the war while minimizing casualties. He plays a major role in Dany's downwards spiral and there seems to be no acknowledgement because he's another likeable character. Character bias folks.

Supreme Leader

2023-07-04 07:17:52 +0000 UTC

Spartan, Bronn did ALL THEIR DIRTY WORK and has nothing to show for it lol they have never fully paid him what he was promised. That is 100% in character for him, dude is loyal if others keep their loyalty to him lol.

Flipnskater

2023-07-04 06:34:43 +0000 UTC

Woah that’s a spoiler, please delete, yes?

Natasha Medina

2023-07-04 06:33:09 +0000 UTC

These are all great points. I think my favorite piece of ridiculousness was Drogon sitting RIGHT THERE during the parlay scene, several scorpions aimed at right at him, but Cersei has enough restraint to leave him alive (despite the fact that killing him would effectively end the war) and kills Missandei instead. Suuure, that makes total sense. I just can’t with this episode.

Shay

2023-07-04 06:24:33 +0000 UTC

Daenerys has been working towards getting the throne, HER throne(in her mind), for years. Yes she stopped to grow her army and free slaves along the way but always with the iron throne as her ultimate goal. There is absolutely no way in hell she would just say “oh, Jon would be a good leader, he should just take it since i just found out yesterday he’s technically the rightful heir.” After all she has done, sacrificed, and lost, going from a beggar to a powerful conqueror, breaker of chains, and mother of dragons, she’s the best leader for any people she comes across in her opinion.

AG

2023-07-04 05:45:35 +0000 UTC

I’d never seen a reactor so surprised she isn’t hooking up with Tormund. So weird.

AG

2023-07-04 05:37:35 +0000 UTC

She literally went from being one of the worst to the best. She wasn’t a brat she was cautious and smart. When watching the first time you may get that brat vibe but Sansa was right she’s right all along, it makes me love her more and respect the crap out of her. Dany has been a brat since season 1 😂

Nicole

2023-07-04 02:50:41 +0000 UTC

Not really because until that moment she never had a reason for it.

Nicole

2023-07-04 02:40:45 +0000 UTC

I can't not comment on the misogyny directed at Brienne. No, Spartan, she doesn't have to get together with Tormund just because he "loves" her. No one owes anyone else reciprocation. Brienne never shows anything but discomfort, annoyance, and occasional disgust at Tormund's attention. He doesn't really love her because he barely knows her--all he does is fetishise her for her size and skill. Also, there's the remark when she gets together with Jaime, as though he's some kind of prize for her. That may be how she feels, because she regards herself as ugly and she's been starved of recognition as a sexual being due to her failure to conform to gendered norms. But she's superior to Jaime in every way (at least, as he's written in these later seasons). Lastly, when women reject men in this episode you sympathise with the men, but when Brienne is abandoned in the most callous way all you can talk about is what it means for Jaime. Not saying this in condemnation, but I hope it provokes thought.

Kate

2023-07-04 00:43:48 +0000 UTC

Haha I don't know why I enjoy Spartan's hatred for Cersei so much. Maybe because That's how I feel exactly.

Sona E

2023-07-04 00:26:52 +0000 UTC

Did they love it? They seemed the most iffy on this one of any episode.

Munir

2023-07-04 00:12:32 +0000 UTC

@Druck Well it's a good thing she managed to avoid that.

Munir

2023-07-04 00:06:03 +0000 UTC

I disagree, though I get her point, it’s her obsession with that stupid iron chair that made her snap and Jon deserves the right to tell his family the truth, he was treated horribly most of his life bc he was a bastard , they deserved the truth ..It’s just that Sansa is a terrible person was the problem.

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 23:53:20 +0000 UTC

True I love their reactions soo much but the one thing I disagree with is how blinded with hatred they are for Cersei , like I dislike Cersei myself yet I was happy when she got revenge by killing ellaria bc she deserved it and when she killed septa unella.

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 23:50:06 +0000 UTC

I think she meant burn Cersei and the red keep , otherwise missandei was as crazy as dany lol

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 23:47:48 +0000 UTC

True but I don’t agree these last 3 episodes are good writing, it was just too rushed , they needed another season for the dany arc to work.

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 23:46:06 +0000 UTC

Never said Cersei and Dany are the same person. I try to look objectively at their actions. I think that S&P are very irrational sometimes with the Cersei hate. Not that she is a good person. Also for example with the Ellaria case But yeah. My question still stands. How do you think they would react if Dany killed Qyburn for example last season

Rey Jr

2023-07-03 23:15:05 +0000 UTC

Couldn’t disagree more. Sansa was ruthless this season. Big difference between being a brat. Some may say “bitchy” I say cautious, skeptical and smart. The girls been with Balish for 5 seasons lol. Sansa doesn’t trust anyone and I get why. And she was frankly right about a lot. If Dany listened to her she might’ve not gotten ambushed and had her 2nd dragon killed and M captured and murdered. Her learning from Cersei was talked about for many seasons. Also so was the Northerners notorious distrust of foreigners. So that comment is so out of pocket. If they trusted her and celebrated her it would’ve been actually a horrible nonsensical writing choice. Bitchy maybe? A man would never be called bitchy, he’d be a shrewd badass who didn’t care to put on fake nice front. Who else in the entire show has the right to be untrusting if it’s not Sansa!? F that. 😆

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 23:06:45 +0000 UTC

He’s kept the secret so Jon wouldn’t be murdered. That’s the only reason. Not to protect some Targaryen monarchy of the future. Asking Jon to keep a secret and his identity was about her ambitions and her alone, not Jon at all. She didn’t think for a minute on how this made him feel or even pause to let him gather his damn thoughts about learning his identity after being called a bastard his whole life!? Cold AF. To me, Sansa became one the most savvy political minds in Westeros. Yes l, she advised Dany to wait. Instead she went in emotional, too hasty and she got ambushed and her dragon was killed and Missande captured and killed. She knew Cersei wouldn’t roll over that easy and tried to tell Jon. She was right in the end. Sansa to me is the truest Stark because in the end she only cares only about the north. Over everything else. Yes, she learned to be ruthless and a lady. Something Jon didn’t have or Arya.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:58:42 +0000 UTC

Umm… Are you asking me to answer for other people’s criticisms that the show depended too much on facial expressions and how that differs from my opinion? Why should I do that? There’s basically a cardinal rule of tv/film that you “show, not tell”. Frankly, too much exposition is indicative of the kind of weak writing that is, in my opinion, rampant in this episode. I’ve never seen another episode of the show where characters were so blatantly telling us things that, had it been well-written, wouldn’t need to be explained—they’d be self-evident. For example, we got multiple Varys & Tyrion scenes EXPLAINING how suddenly awful Dany was without much demonstration of it. Jaime was just weird, as well as Bronn… it just goes on and on. It’s poorly-executed and rushed writing, that made for weird and awkward scenes. If the entire show had been written like this episode, I’m certain many of us would’ve abandoned it long before S8. I know I wouldn’t have watched it past the first few episodes.

Shay

2023-07-03 22:57:00 +0000 UTC

Cersei called out Brianne for being in love with Jaime in season 4 at Joffreys wedding.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:53:26 +0000 UTC

I’d delete this, this didn’t happen yet fyi. Spoiler.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:50:29 +0000 UTC

I never said Jon promised not to tell Sansa and Arya, I only said that Dany wasn't able to bend him to her will. The lying part was when Jon told them that he bent the knee because they needed allies. That didn't happen, because he bent the knee after Dany had already said she would fight. I agree that the show had been great for going against tropes earlier on, but realistically the show is now remembered for messing up this season so badly, and there isn't really much to debate about that. Early GoT was the GOAT, the end of GoT really was a dumpster fire that a toddler could do a better job of writing.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-03 22:50:27 +0000 UTC

has anyone noticed that bran is basically George RR Martin at this point. He knows everything that ever happened but has no clue how the whole thing ends

MO

2023-07-03 22:48:47 +0000 UTC

Dany has her reasons, Jon has his, Sansa saw what a Cersei like queen is capable of and her reasons reflect that. The outcome of this story is not meant to be cut and dry. To me this show had an overlying theme of what you decide in life has consequences. As humans, we’re all uniquely complex and our decisions can be what we think is well intended and still hurt others. GoT is a thinking persons story. If you like surface endings and black and white story writing, I can see why some didn’t get it. Rewatching the show opened so many new views for me. Another reason why it’s the GOAT.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:46:28 +0000 UTC

Big missing point you have. Jon never promised anyone he wasn’t going to tell his family. He looked her dead in the eye and said he’s telling his sisters. What the did is out of his control. So again. He was upheld as being honorable as usual. But I also agree, Jon wouldn’t be a good king. He’s not ruthless enough. She is hence the problem. Is it better to rule with fear or love. What ppl miss is that there isn’t really a correct answer. These are humans making complicated decisions, fighting pride and demons and their own issues. It’s why the show is perfect why thrones went against all troupes always. The debate years later and years toshows how powerful it was.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:38:57 +0000 UTC

Live your takes! I’m right there with you. Dany started changing in S3.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:31:31 +0000 UTC

It’s Jon’s identity. He shouldn’t ever be asked to deny it. Bed did it to save his life. What he wants to do with it is his choice. Not danys.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:28:55 +0000 UTC

She also had multiple times to kill Tyrion and never did. She has shown restraint many times when you didn’t expect it.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 22:21:29 +0000 UTC

Neither of those things show that he would bend to her will, they show that he was being loyal to his queen (the woman without whom they all would nearly certainly have died). 'He broke his promise because he is Ned Stark's son' makes literally no sense, when Ned is renowned for keeping his word. Besides which, Jon lied to his family by saying he bent the knee because he needed Dany as an ally - this is a complete lie, cos Dany had already said she would fight before Jon bent the knee. Dany predicted what would happen perfectly if Jon told them, and you are 100% right that Jon was naive - he has absolutely no political acumen, and yet people like you still think he would be some great king. Unhinged.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-03 21:24:09 +0000 UTC

Dany and Cersei are two completely different people, with different motivations, goals, and historical behavior. Its disingenuous to just erase all the context that doesn't serve ones own argument.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-03 21:18:38 +0000 UTC

LOL trolls back.

Jeff Stohlstrom

2023-07-03 21:07:11 +0000 UTC

She doesnt want her Baby to die, thats what would have happened if she started shooting everyone.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:42:38 +0000 UTC

He was totally bend to her will, he shut down his family in front of War council and defended dany in the goodswood. He broke his promise because he is a fool and ned starks son after all. He cant lie to his family and didnt want dany to figure it out, thats why he made them swear to not tell anyone. He is naive and doesnt anticipate sansa would tell anyone.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:40:21 +0000 UTC

Well, what is it? People complain they didnt explain enough, they rely too much on facial expressions and reactions. You seem to defy that criticism by claiming they told too much. "No one is very happy, wich means its a good compromise, i suppose." Tyrion was right.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:36:41 +0000 UTC

They see how unhinged dany becomes and brainstorm solutions, thats what considerate people do.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:34:15 +0000 UTC

4 years later people still dont get their irony. They also said after season 6: "She is coming to westeros with the smartest man alive, unsullied, dothraki and 3 dragons. What could go wrong?" My answer would be: people might not get it. Thats what went wrong.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:33:11 +0000 UTC

If 8 seasons isnt enough to convince you of danys dark side, 8 more wont make a difference. I get people wanted more content, but the story is told perfectly the way it is and people are not judging it honestly at all. They hide behind "rushed", "bad writing", "out of character" And "execution" without even knowing what these word mean. Even worse they dont understand the story, when its not too hard to get at all. Just pay attention and let go off your fantheories and dreamendings and it all makes sense.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:30:50 +0000 UTC

True. Shes a Survivor. Dany is the Tyrant.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:27:14 +0000 UTC

Its faster paced because of fewer storylines and places, but its not rushed at all. Aftermath and peoples reaction of neds death and the Red Wedding were like 10 Minutes each the next episode. Just like aftermath of blackwater or battle at castle Black or bastards. Or spoils of War. We got 30 minutes to see how everyone dealt and moves on from the battle, wich is almost and the next 40 are preparing for the endgame and theres no filler at all. I think when people say they want more they just wanted more filler inbetween for the Sake of more content not to improve the Story, because there is everything already there.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:26:10 +0000 UTC

And then she burned the woman alive who took revenge on them and killed the stallion who moubts the World. She was just as smart as tyrion in the end, to save the world from destruction. She gave the unsullied the illusion of choice. They were never free. What choice did they have? Go off and plant radishes in the desert or continue what they were trained for: wage war and follow a Master. Thats why she got rigged off the whip. It was Symbol of controll over them. At the end of her massacre at astapor she doesnt need it, because she is the whip. She does have a good site, thats why she stayed to help people. It also let her god complex grew and "she became more powerful and sure that she is good and right".

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:20:15 +0000 UTC

Yeah, having now watched this full reaction, although there are weaker episodes, this is the one I really don’t enjoy. I like most of the Winterfell post battle stuff and some of the rest is good content, but all crammed together like this just weakens the whole thing for me. Dany’s paranoia sped up, Sansa’s pissy attitude seems more heightened, not enough time with Jaime to see how conflicted he must feel between the only 2 women he’s ever cared about, the fact we see no kings landing build up to Euron suddenly popping out of nowhere to take down a dragon & managing to only kidnap missandei. Had all of this been spread across a few more eps with strong character moments it’d been so much better. This ep is where the rushing to end the show by D&D is unforgivable to me & I say that as someone who doesn’t hate any of the end points. It’s such a waste of so much rich potential.

Victoria E (vickster5001)

2023-07-03 20:19:59 +0000 UTC

How?

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:13:26 +0000 UTC

Its a satire, not a parody and everyone mocking this masterpiece proves its point. Why talk about meaning and deep lessons that Story teaches when we can instead just call it trash and laugh at things we dont understand?

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:13:12 +0000 UTC

Didnt he only argued bronn was out of character? Even Pudgey recognized that it was totally in bronns character. He is an opportunist first and foremost, then their friend. Of course he didnt like danys behaviour as well, but still called it good writing becsuse he understood it. I Agree with you on your dany observation, they are still talking about cersei being the one who needs to be stopped, but then they also talk about dany and her breaking point. But they still see her as the Underdog. Well, she is prepared for the Scorpions now ...

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:08:59 +0000 UTC

If the acting is good so is the writing. A good actor can only perform well with a good foundation, wich is the Script. Every charactes story ended up true to their heart. This story wasnt about giving people a disney ending, it never was. Just because things dont go the way you want, means its bad. You dont have to like it, but theres no objectively bad. The ending did make sense if you understood the characters and story.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:06:52 +0000 UTC

The Pacing is perfect, theres no filler, no pointless wandering around and stretching things out. If its done goid, its good.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:02:54 +0000 UTC

Its also referenced and coming full circle next episode.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:01:32 +0000 UTC

Early Seasons she is already unstable and heavily traumatized by her brothers abuse and her getting raped multiple times by drogo. She develops Stockholm syndrom and endorsed his Speech to take seven kingdoms, kill all men and take women and children as slaves. By the time of season 4 she has a god complex and sees herself above everyone. The way the scene is staged after taking meereen its like a villains victory. Her story has been carefuly and beautifuly build over 8 seasons and the ending is wonderful and makes perfect sense, its earned.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 20:00:28 +0000 UTC

Well, Jaime tried to be with a decent person and he figured out, it wasnt making him happy like cersei does.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 19:53:32 +0000 UTC

It may shook you but those characters are supposed to be people with emotions, not dead robotos.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 19:52:20 +0000 UTC

Jaimes Story ended the way it was always supossed to and how he wanted it: "dying in the arms of the woman i love." He was able to redeem hinself as a knight by knighting brienne and honoring his oath to save the stark girls, fight the dead... and to protect his queen.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 19:51:03 +0000 UTC

Yeah. The moment when they had 100% accuracy with hitting Rhaegal but couldn’t land a single hit on Drogon was crazy

Rey Jr

2023-07-03 19:50:14 +0000 UTC

Best episode of this season so far. Im glad they love it and understand it. All the cards are on the table now and they were able to take off their rose coloured glasses for dany. Wich is something many people are not able to up to today, 4 years after the fact. This Season is greatness and it only gets better.

DrückebergerTV

2023-07-03 19:47:47 +0000 UTC

Well Missandei was a war prisoner. She is high ranked among Danys people. So why is Spartan so angry at Cersei for killing her but was pretty alright in comparison when Dany killed her war prisoner. Also pretty sure Missandei would not surrender either to Cersei Also let’s say Dany got Qyburn(Cerseis Missandei in this case) and killed him. Do you think S and P would care ?

Rey Jr

2023-07-03 19:47:08 +0000 UTC

Whatever you think of Jon telling Arya and Sansa (to be clear, it was incredibly stupid of him to think he could trust them when he knew they didn't like Daenerys), the fact of the matter is that Dany was unable to bend Jon to her will like Varys was claiming. If you're one of those people that thinks this season was not bad then that's on you, but you cannot possibly claim that what Varys said made any sense when the second half of this episode hinged on Jon betraying Daenerys' wishes.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-03 19:36:07 +0000 UTC

i don't think it's out of character for dany to beg jon not to tell anyone. she's always wanted the throne and never wanted to share it. she loves jon but she is starting to feel like the throne is slipping out of her hand.

Dani

2023-07-03 19:11:04 +0000 UTC

Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet. HALF the Dothraki are gone??? I thought it was the end of the Dothraki??? Euron didn't click when Tyrion revealed he knew about the baby he just got told about. Tormund hailing Jon for riding a dragon when he did so last season. Sansa saying she was made a stronger person through trauma and somehow being okay with it. Sansa's unreasonable dislike of Dany. Arya's unreasonable like of anyone but her family, but then leaving her family to go down south. The fact that they are sending an army when they have a perfectly trained assassin who just proved she was capable. Rhaegal taking two hits to die and Dany not being hit by any of those shots. The fact they didn't see Euron's small fleet around their entire home area, who didn't send any ravens to alert Dany's forces who she was just told about the scene before by Varys. Varys stating he is changing allegiance because Dany has to kill a few people. (Remember Jon killing a child who thought he was avenging his family and got caught up with the adults all around him? And was unknowingly egged on by Sam?) Everyone putting impossible expectations on Dany. The original coffee cup that was edited out this episode XD. Varys for some reason dismissing Dany and Jon wedding each other, with poor reasoning. Varys somehow acting as if he hasn't sacrificed loads to help get his chosen monarch on the throne - what did he think Viserys and a horde of dothraki were going to do in season 1??? Missandei being picked up out of the teleporting ship fiasco. Cersei paying Bronn to kill both her brothers then not killing Tyrion. Cersei provoking Dany by killing Missandei when she actually has a small group of unsullied sitting there waiting to be speared through by dozens of scorpions, and a chance to kill Dany instantly and end the war. Random fan fiction moments and pairings, just so that they can break them later in the same episode (poor pacing) - I won't say more of this because people don't know if they come back together again or not - and I won't spoil it. There is more but they are spoiler specific. This is one of my fav series. But these are just a few points I thought when watching this episode.

Rainbow

2023-07-03 19:09:15 +0000 UTC

The whole "kind of forgot" statement became the house words for D&D

CrystalDeth

2023-07-03 18:26:37 +0000 UTC

That’s all!? She asked Jon to deny who he is. To his family. That’s a pretty crappy thing to ask someone you “love”? Deny their history and parents? That a pretty terrible “favor” to ask anyone especially someone who’s been thinking about who they are their whole life. Called a bastard their entire life and now he can’t even talk about it!? No way. If she actually cared about him she’d have been fine with ruling along side him and she wasn’t. She legit found out she wasn’t the rightful heir and wanted everyone to cover it up? Lame. Nothing was more important to her ever. Jon agreeing to that selfish request would’ve been the crap writing. When has Jon ever lied to anyone? Dany was a tyrant, Jon was for the people, always. That’s what Varys meant.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 18:20:30 +0000 UTC

Arya seriously saying it's alright not making allies, just really pisses me off, stop being so bloody edgy and grow up.

Rainbow

2023-07-03 18:15:44 +0000 UTC

Uhhh Dany was talking about her rightful throne and what was taken from her in season 2. “Having a home” maybe was mentioned 1-2 in season 1-2. Never again.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 18:14:38 +0000 UTC

Not to mention she said it on the show, the only thing that pushed her to keep going and survive time and time again is her belief in herself.

Raven Sub

2023-07-03 18:04:43 +0000 UTC

Everything Dany has lost in her quest for the throne, her child, her husband, her dragons, her knight, her soldiers, her best friend. After all that loss and pain, to just give the throne to Jon would mean it was all for nothing. She will never do that and she shouldn't. Also it doesn't matter if Jon doesn't want it as long as there are people out there who want to put him on the throne. See: House of The Dragon

Raven Sub

2023-07-03 18:01:10 +0000 UTC

Are they not viewing the intros? The Intros change every episode!

Rainbow

2023-07-03 17:40:53 +0000 UTC

There is a difference between a soldier/commander who refuses to surrender and a choice offered and Cersei killing out of spite and with the goal to hurt someone. Have not seen the reaction so far, but how can you compare those - all they have in common is that someone died.

Joel Quinn

2023-07-03 17:18:45 +0000 UTC

So out of character for Cersei to not kill everyone in sight at that meeting. Am I supposed to believe that at this point, CERSEI LANNISTER would respect a ceasefire when her biggest enemies are a few crossbow clicks from death?

Munir

2023-07-03 17:11:44 +0000 UTC

Hahaha. Interesting point! Totally agree, it was like Dany could do no wrong for so long that when she started to change - many people didn't want to believe it. She legit told those soldiers "follow me or die". Nice choice there, lol. Remember when Missande told Jon Dany would let her leave at any point if she wanted to.....really girl? Prob not. Thats why this show is so ballsy. It never cared to piss us off or hurt the viewers feelings.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 17:05:58 +0000 UTC

300% disagree BUT I do agree and wish Varys had more of a meaty role in those seasons vs his earlier seasons. Again to me, it was the speed and time to wrap it, not the writing. With that many characters - some had to fall back to focus on the main plots and end in time.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 17:03:42 +0000 UTC

Agreed 100%. The rewatch helped me a ton on this aspect. My only gripe (tiny one I had) with the entire show was the speed of S8. And they had to end it, I get it. However, the world of GRR is so immense and massive and the characters are so layered that I'm not sure another season even could've really captured it all that on screen. When I went back though - I was finding myself eye rolling Dany in S5 a bit. Like hey girl...calm down now, lol. And yes - she lost it all, Drogo (early on), Missande, Jorah, 2 "children" and lastly...Jon. She was absolutely alone. If you put it like that, adding on that the Northmen didn't value her over Jon and she was an outcast of sorts - anyone could go mad especially someone in her bloodline. Could we all have done with a few more eps of S8 to see it more, sure but given the story as a whole, it made perfect sense to me. I never expected happy bow tied endings in this show which helped me experience the heartbreaks and just enjoy it more. Some people did - which is why I think they had the louder gripes. What I think some of those people don't see (or generally don't believe) is that tragedies, however much they hurt, are masterpieces all the same. People are flawed, people change for the worse sometimes. It's why this show is special. GRR has spoken about many times throwing out ALL tropes of fantasy. NO clear hero and villains. No predictable winners and losers. Its fantasy set in a human element with all it's complexities. To me, is what sets it apart as the GOAT. "If you expected a happy ending, you've come to the wrong place." - Ramsay Bolton.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 16:53:46 +0000 UTC

Dany burns Tarlys. Spartan: Yeah not ideal but it is war Cersei executes Missandei. Spartan: I fucking hate her. She is a monster

Rey Jr

2023-07-03 16:32:59 +0000 UTC

can you guys do a season ranking when youre done with the show?

Alex

2023-07-03 16:06:21 +0000 UTC

I love when Spartan says "FUCK CERSEI" haha I don't know how many times thorough the whole series I said just those words. From Season 1 to the final season - FUCK CERSEI! One of the best villains ever. The words from Varys are so true. He is talking about democracy even if he don't know the word. He is a few hundred years before his time. If it wasn't for the awful writing i season 7 and season 8 Varys would be my all time favorite in GOT. Compare his conversations from eariler seasons with Littlefinger and Tyrion to the "conversation" he has with Melissandre in Season 7 on Dragonstone... that was so fucking cringe and bad. It was all about foreshadowing because it seems that's all those worthless writers knew about. This is what season 7 and season 8 is all about: Foreshadowing overdramatic one-liners dragons dragons *foreshadowing

Daniel

2023-07-03 15:53:55 +0000 UTC

Sansa was very ungrateful and bitchy. At least Arya was more mature and talked some sense into her saying they did need Dany's army and dragons. They would have all died if it wasn't for her.

Saibal Sarkar

2023-07-03 15:53:12 +0000 UTC

@Izattyi Yea it's unfair to expect Dany to just hand it over to Jon. She's fought for it her whole life, been through so much, and it's all she has ever wanted. Of course she's struggling with knowing Jon is the rightful heir. Pudgey said it perfectly, put yourself in her shoes. Would you just accept it easily and hand over the throne when it is all you wanted your entire life? Jon doesn't even want the throne, but he's the male heir, and once people know this, they'll never accept a woman's rule. It will take a life on it's own just like Dany said. Also she can't just rule beside Jon. If she marries Jon, sure she will be still a queen, but in this world, women aren't seen as powerful. They think a woman cannot rule. Sansa was being really annoying. Hated her so much this season.

Saibal Sarkar

2023-07-03 15:50:06 +0000 UTC

They literally turned her into Gollum with the iron throne being her "precious"

Mango Maniac

2023-07-03 15:11:30 +0000 UTC

Dany lost 3 huge allies, 1 of her “children,” then stopped being the most beloved and popular person wherever she lives, then lost her oldest friend/advisor, then the man she loves iced her out because he’s not into incest, then she loses a second “child,” then she lost her closest companion. Yeah, it’s understandable when you stop and think about it that she’s not acting like herself, because she’s rapidly losing so much of herself. I’m convinced this would be salvageable in the books if GRRRRRRRM ever wrote it (he won’t finish them, most of us are willing to admit that). Part of the reason it doesn’t sit well in the show is because they rush everything so fast to the ending. But that’s also why Danny’s personality is in free-fall—she’s losing so much so fast, she doesn’t have time to process one loss and get her footing again before she gets another lose and is scrambling for balance again. All her cornerstones are dying or being kicked out from under her, and she’s understandably scrambling to get her footing again. There had to have been better ways to convey this on screen, though. It shouldn’t FEEL so out of place when she loses herself, it should FEEL understandable, foreseeable, logical, and tragic—not out of place. Caitlyn Stark believed she’d lost everything and when she lashed out, it made perfect sense. They’re not giving Dany good spaces to lose her mind, so it’s sadly left to the audience to remind themselves constantly why she’s “acting crazy.” It’s really not the crazy—the bigger they stand, the harder they fall, and she’s started a very long, painful fall. She’s grasping at anything to put herself back right, and we call it paranoia. It’s desperation.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

2023-07-03 14:46:45 +0000 UTC

Brienne’s love story is a cautionary tale. Bad boys aren’t projects, fixer-uppers, or just in need of some love. It’s not your job to make them ok. If someone is broken and you see their best in them, you can support them but you can’t just will glimmers of goodness into being their full identity. You can’t f**k them into loving themselves or believe in them enough for both of you, even if they seem to want that for you to “fix them.” If someone is that broken, they have to put in the work to fix themself—you can’t do it for them or round them up to being ok. You can’t fix someone who doesn’t deep down believe they can change and won’t fight like hell to overcome the uglier parts of their nature. Believing someone is different than who they say they are and refusing to acknowledge their darker side will leave you alone and crying in the snow. That’s a hard lesson but a worthy cautionary tale.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

2023-07-03 14:19:13 +0000 UTC

When Varys was saying that Dany is too strong for Jon and she would bend him to her will, that was just rubbish. Literally the only thing Dany had asked of Jon was to not tell Sansa and Arya, and he did. The whole episode was so poorly written and stupid.

Dominic Curtis

2023-07-03 12:53:23 +0000 UTC

This. There is nothing quite as irritating as hearing those writers say that dany 'forgot about' her enemies and that she was at war... yeah she just forgot shes in westeros to reclaim the throne... woops slipped her mind

Anthony Brown

2023-07-03 12:41:15 +0000 UTC

Important to remember all Dany wanted in the beginning was a home. Dany sought power so she could go home. Nothing makes sense its fine just enjoy the fanfic

Auxiliary

2023-07-03 12:41:07 +0000 UTC

Lol at Spartan's disgusted face at all the out of character writing. Actually guys, you have the right to question the writing, the fact that you found so many things weird and coming out of nowhere does show that the writing isn't "amazing" this season.

Lise

2023-07-03 12:14:00 +0000 UTC

D&D were not aware of Aegon's dream, at the time the show was made some fans speculated that Aegon may have been motivated by prophecy, but it was not until HOTD that we got confirmation. I don't think you should look for resolution of that prophecy in the show ending, since I interpret Melisandre's comment, as well as Davos's convo in this episode, as the showrunners speaking to the audience directly and basically shrugging at all of the magical/prophetic side of the series. They never really understood this aspect of the story and had no interest in exploring it - its painfully obvious when you look at the story as a whole (I mean they wrapped up the White Walker threat in an episode so we could go deal with Cersei again).

Mzuka

2023-07-03 12:01:09 +0000 UTC

Did Rhaenyra or Daemon tell anyone about Aegon's dream? I thought the consequence of the dance was that this knowledge was lost forever.

Cs Zoltan

2023-07-03 11:08:56 +0000 UTC

I agree. 100% Melissandre alluded to that when she suggested to Daenerys, to summon Jon Snow. "Prophecies are........... Dangerous things." I interpreted that statement as Melissandre saying, "Prophecies that are misinterpreted, can have catastrophic results. For example, I had a young girl burnt to the stake, that didn't result in Stannis winning the battle against Ramsay." But I will wait until Spartan & Pudgey finish, reacting to the entire series, before I give my thoughts on the "Prince that was Promised" prophecy.

David Watson

2023-07-03 10:43:58 +0000 UTC

Yup, Meraxes, and it happened while Rhaenys was essentially dive-bombing fortifications. Even then it was notable how lucky a shot it was. Euron is out here sniping Rhaegal 3 times on a moving ship, aiming at a moving target flying against the sun. Lmao.

Mzuka

2023-07-03 09:37:44 +0000 UTC

Through thick and thin this has some amazing scenes, and Spartan not understanding a lot of scenes, just pay attention or think about the character in different lights. Dany, had her dreams and visions, she was “born” to rule Westeros. When something gets in the way, it’s gonnna trigger her. It’s finally out with her control, where she can’t just use terror and fear to get what she wants Thornund was just jealous,

Jamie Maclean

2023-07-03 08:48:26 +0000 UTC

This is exactly my view Rick, but I won’t say more in case S&P haven’t finished the show yet.

Victoria E (vickster5001)

2023-07-03 08:15:04 +0000 UTC

I can’t help but notice how many times you guys used the word “weird” to describe the behavior of at least 3 different characters this episode. That’s exactly how I felt at the time and I do even more so rewatching it now. It’s not what I ever expected to feel about the final season of GoT but this was the episode where they clearly decided to go all-in on telling us things are a certain way, rather than just showing us (earning it). I have so much more to say but it’s probably best if I wait for the next episode. Great reaction though and can’t wait to see E5!

Shay

2023-07-03 07:22:50 +0000 UTC

Varys and Tyrion are completely ruined characters, idk wtf is their problem.

Jaroslav Dočekal

2023-07-03 07:11:54 +0000 UTC

Sure. Dany can raise armies and bring dragons into the world and make allies and save the world and lose everything. But there, there sweetie. Whats the problem? You can marry the “rightful king.” Just hand everything over because cock You should be thrilled to do that Dany. I don’t like your attitude. Why is the throne so important. Trust this perfect man you just met because THAT’S what WOMEN do. 🙄

Izattyi

2023-07-03 07:05:44 +0000 UTC

I think you're starting to see the issue a lot of people had with the way Thrones is ending. It's not so much how it ends it's how it got there. This should have been 2 seasons, 1 season dealing with the night king and 1 the aftermath and the iron throne and they could have spent more time developing the "paranoid Dany" storyline. I'm surprised you never mentioned Rhaegal getting sniped out of no where and from their vantage point in the air they would have seen the ships from miles away. The major backlash at the time happened because of that and the after show "inside the episode" where the shows creators saying Dany "kind of forgot" about Eurons fleet 🙄

Robert Blair

2023-07-03 06:52:24 +0000 UTC

Dracrys can translate to "Dragon Fire' or "Burn them" so Misandei's last words were to burn kings landing.

Ghostcat

2023-07-03 06:21:14 +0000 UTC

Yeah, im just looking on the bright side. It's the 2nd lowest rated episode, and rightfully so, but I was focusing on specific scenes/moment. Should've clarified better, as it really is sad to think about how much worse the rest of the episode is, and how much better it would have been if the rest of the scenes were on that level.

Martin

2023-07-03 06:09:41 +0000 UTC

Only one dragon was killed like this in the history of Westeros, it got hit in the eye...

Jaroslav Dočekal

2023-07-03 06:08:47 +0000 UTC

Literally all Cersei does every episode is make great strategic moves and come closer and closer to winning this war but they're just so blinded by their disgust for her that they don't realize she's not doing anything wrong. She's simply winning a war that was forced upon her and they can't stand it.

Benjamin Pheonix

2023-07-03 06:07:01 +0000 UTC

The biggest problem with season 8 is that it is rushed. These 6 episodes could be two 10 episodes seasons.

Jaroslav Dočekal

2023-07-03 06:05:48 +0000 UTC

Yep that prophecy was fulfilled essentially. Dragon dreams, visions, prophecies are fickle things and the details are often misinterpreted (sometimes resulting in great tragedy), fragmented or very wishy washy.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-03 05:16:51 +0000 UTC

did you guys notice the look on Danys face was the same look Rhaenyra had when she found out luke died

ramon carter

2023-07-03 05:10:00 +0000 UTC

Look the writing is not great but Spartan saying “even if Jon gets the throne why should she care it’s not that big a deal” is insane lmao. It’s literally her entire story and the purpose of her existence. Even if she loves Jon (which they show hasn’t adequately shown) she can’t just give up the throne

NoahKarls

2023-07-03 04:27:04 +0000 UTC

I believe Aegon’s dream was that a Targaryen on the Iron Throne would unite the realm against the threat of the White Walkers, and Jon really did unite the realm. Even if he didn’t sit on the Iron Throne as he did it 🤷🏻‍♀️

Amanda Theriault

2023-07-03 04:24:40 +0000 UTC

Her and Jaime together is the biggest fan service thing ever. Can’t expected the end of their “relationship” to make sense if the start made no sense either

NoahKarls

2023-07-03 04:20:05 +0000 UTC

100%. you cant rush a masterpiece or else this is what happens! still an amazing series, and season 8 had such great cinematography, acting, music and thrill, but the writing wasn't there for me :/

Aliyah

2023-07-03 04:13:31 +0000 UTC

There should have been like three more seasons to flesh out the story. It's just sad the show was rushed towards the end.

Nyghtegale

2023-07-03 04:08:57 +0000 UTC

yeah i totally agree that by the end she tunnel visioned into being power hungry, i just think it was a very bad way to write her character arc. i dont blame you for forgetting all the heroic things shes done and how purely intentioned of a character she was up until this point because the way they wrote her makes you forget all the good things about her lol. i actually dislike that every character in the show starts to claim that jon is just a better person to be a ruler as if he and dany havent had such head to head accomplishments. based on her entire arc, the only thing that would make jon better is the fact that he doesn't want it.

Aliyah

2023-07-03 04:07:20 +0000 UTC

Yeah that bothered me as well. Ned died without telling a soul but now his kids are just telling everyone.

Munir

2023-07-03 03:58:13 +0000 UTC

Jon loves his family, and trusts them. He didn't think Sansa would break an oath.

Nyghtegale

2023-07-03 03:55:24 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I forgot about that. Still, I think as time went on, and more of the people she saved started revering her as a messiah, the power went to her head insofar as her being destined to take the Iron Throne. And when she learns about Jon's heritage, everything she fought for comes under threat. She knows the Westerosi would choose Jon over her.

Nyghtegale

2023-07-03 03:54:32 +0000 UTC

i actually disagree with you in the sense that dany only freed slaves to get things in return. way back when she was still with drogo, she stopped his men from enslaving the women of the village that they ravaged because she didnt believe it was right. she wanted to give a slave man water while he was left to a torturous death because she wanted to help him. when she freed the unsullied, she gave every single one of the them the choice to leave or stay without punishment. she buried every crucified slave on the way to mereen and saw every one of their faces. when they reached yunkai, her advisors told her to leave the city behind to stay out of harms way, but she stayed to fight for the slaved people saying she had "250,000 reasons" to stay and fight, and she did the same in mereen. she did not gain any soldiers from yunkai and mereen, but she stayed until they were freed anyways. so to answer your question, yes she would have done so even if she got nothing in return.

Aliyah

2023-07-03 03:52:22 +0000 UTC

OMG, THIS EPISODE. I don't understand why Jon tells the secret if he doesn't want to be king. The only thing he generates with that is problems. He could have told them that they were not siblings, but it was not necessary to say that he was the heir. It is obvious that Sansa does not like Daenerys and he goes and tells her the biggest secret that will cause problems and division. Daenerys was right about Sansa, she swore to Jon that she wouldn't say anything and then betrayed him. Daenerys is desperate because she is afraid of losing her only goal in life, the iron throne, to someone who doesn't even want it. That sucks. I always loved Jon more than Dany, maybe it doesn't seem like it but I do. Jon is my favourite. But I feel bad for Dany, she feels like everything she fought to get here was for nothing. And Jon doesn't even want to be king, that must be so frustrating. I feel like this is all a bit unfair. But it's just my opinion.

Sofia

2023-07-03 03:52:15 +0000 UTC

I rewatched season 1 recently. When Sansa was made to write the letter to Robb. Varys and Littlefinger were both in the room with her. After having Littlefinger killed I always wondered how she felt about having Varys at Winterfell. Did his presence remind her of the past and that’s why she chose Tyrion to pass the information to Varys? She was well aware of Varys little birds, his spy network, and his history of trying to have Danerys killed in Essos.

I❤️movies&tvshows

2023-07-03 03:43:19 +0000 UTC

A big issue I had with the show was they also moderate book spoilers for those who haven't read is they basically wiped out all of Daenerys special dreams as well. Between all the events she has been through, what she has been told by others, and her vision-style dreams, I think its easier to understand her perspective on things, as well as the brutality of politics in the GoT world.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-03 03:37:30 +0000 UTC

Dany always saw herself as the hero of the story, and sacrificed so much for the Iron Throne. Then here comes Jon, who has a better claim, who the North loves. She feels threatened, as if everything she has done has been for nothing if he takes the throne. Couple that with her losing both dragons, her friends, and the Westerosi not really loving her like those in Essos do. She was always on a knife's edge, leaning towards madness or greatness. Plus, once she learns that Jon told Sansa the truth, and Sansa betrayed Jon by telling Tyrion, and in extension, Varys... shit will hit the fan. Dany did warn Jon about Sansa. Still, Jon would make the better king simply because he does not want to rule, but will, in order to protect the realm. He is selfless, while Dany never was. Everything Dany did was to win the Iron Throne. She freed the slaves, because she got an army in return, etc., Do you think she would have do so if she wouldn't get anything in return?

Nyghtegale

2023-07-03 03:34:38 +0000 UTC

the scene with Bronn really is the bad writing showing through

I❤️movies&tvshows

2023-07-03 03:33:54 +0000 UTC

I think you have to try to see it through Sansa’s eyes. From being tormented by Cersei and Joffrey to Ramsey raping and beating her, when Sansa rode into that battle with Littlefinger by her side and won, she was finally free. There was no king, queen or Lord that could order her beaten, or imprisoned, or raped. For the first time since she left Winterfell at 13 yrs old there was no one above her that could hurt her. She was safe finally. And she was only safe because she played the game and brought Littlefinger to the battle. Now there is a new queen and she isn’t free. She is only alive because of Danerys joining the fight. But it’s hard for her to feel emotionally comfortable or safe with a new queen after her experience in Kings Landing. She would feel safe if Jon was on the throne which is why she tells Tyrion. She is acting selfishly so that she can be free. I’m not saying it’s right but in this show gray is the color not black and white. She learned to play the game of thrones from Cersei and Littlefinger. She just made her move in the game to try to put Jon on the throne for her own selfish reasons. She knows Tyrion well enough to be able to see what his next move in the game would be. He took no time in sharing the information with Varys.

I❤️movies&tvshows

2023-07-03 03:30:07 +0000 UTC

Dany’s entire character has always craved home and family. This has always been one of the most untrue reactions to me, all just trying to angle her towards her Mad Queen moment. Dany would have been thrilled to find out she was not the last Targaryen, and that she has family in the world still.

Mzuka

2023-07-03 03:03:25 +0000 UTC

It’s true, when you rewatch the series it changes your perspective on a lot of her epic moments. The seeds of where she was headed were definitely planted throughout the show.

Ailene Evangelista

2023-07-03 03:00:35 +0000 UTC

No you’re not, she was the worst. The northerners were written ridiculously, the way they were all anti-Dany from the beginning against all reasoning was so contrived. They really tried to make Sansa out to be some smart, learned ruler by dumbing down all the other characters, but she was still a punk.

Mzuka

2023-07-03 02:59:48 +0000 UTC

Top 3 trashest episodes of TV I’ve ever watched. When Rhaegal got quick scoped I knew I was watching a parody. Can’t trust anyone who likes the show even a bit beyond this point 💀😂

Mzuka

2023-07-03 02:57:58 +0000 UTC

Yea no , this is the lowest rated episode in GOT for a reason.

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 02:56:23 +0000 UTC

Yea but she’s way too obsessed with the iron throne, that was her downfall, because for some reason she convinced herself that she was the rightful ruler when Robert crushed them.

JonSnow21

2023-07-03 02:55:14 +0000 UTC

Spartan was right about everyone acting out of character this episode, this is probably the worst episode in the show but the next 2 are arguably worse and the writing is literally some of the worst ever on tv and guys it’s weird that you guys are hating on Cersei so much for killing missandei but not getting on dany much for literally threatening to burn a city full of kids and innocents.

TheRoguePrince19

2023-07-03 02:53:29 +0000 UTC

This is the episode the series took a nose dive for me. The funeral scene at the beginning was absolutely fantastic … and then the show, in my opinion, took many of it’s characters and shit on their arch’s ruining a lot what was built up over 7 seasons. The acting, cinematography and special effects were great to the very end but the story was rushed and the ending was horrible. I was not expecting a happy ending … but I was expecting an ending that actually made sense! Oh well, we’ll always have the books … if they ever get finished.

Jeff Stohlstrom

2023-07-03 02:40:31 +0000 UTC

in two episodes they are going to cover it badly obviously it is impossible to close everything in two episodes

ruth cueva

2023-07-03 02:10:19 +0000 UTC

Not a fan of the Jaime-Brienne romance but she did cry the same way over Renly

Munir

2023-07-03 02:09:28 +0000 UTC

Honestly I think it's completely reasonable for Dany to start panicking about Jon's real identity. She spent her whole life aiming to sit on the Iron Throne and now she has a contender that has a real solid chance of taking that from her. I know he said he doesn't want it but she made a good point; he didn't want to be King in the North but he still became one.

Jenny Tolls

2023-07-03 01:54:06 +0000 UTC

The worst thing about misandei's death is that cercei has put chains on him so that he dies with them, you cannot be more despising him, misandei was all love. she says dracarys just like olena said “be a dragon...” right, a lot has gone wrong for danny and too much too fast, rushed, exaggerated?

ruth cueva

2023-07-03 01:53:29 +0000 UTC

Yeah, most of what happens this episode would have been easier to process if it wasn't all packed into one episode because they're in a hurry to end it. That's what bothers me the most about these last few episodes, the pacing is too much too fast.

Ailene Evangelista

2023-07-03 01:43:34 +0000 UTC

This episode for sure have some weak points, but it doesn't get enough credit. There are genuinely scenes on the same level as earlier seasons in this episode. For example the scene between the Hound and Sansa at the feast, and then later on Varys and Tyrion have 2 scenes with great dialogue. If you were to make a tier list for all the scenes of all the episodes, then these scenes would be up there among the top, or at least close to it.

Martin

2023-07-03 01:43:21 +0000 UTC

Who is The Spider loyal to? Eh, it varys.

Munir

2023-07-03 01:42:22 +0000 UTC

Don't let Spartan diss your memory Pudgey :)

David Cansler

2023-07-03 01:39:27 +0000 UTC

If you guys remember Bran's visions, you'll remember briefly seeing only one dragon flying over Kingslanding which was a foreshadowing that 2 of her dragons would be killed.

Dashawn Brooks

2023-07-03 01:37:35 +0000 UTC

I totally understand — and think your points are valid. I also agree, Shireen was one of my favorite characters as well, and one of the purest on the show. In no way defending that horrific scene. My only point is to step back and think about it on how the mind of a 400 year old person would view the world. That’s why I’m so intrigued with her character, she’s the opposite of Gandalf. Her only viewpoint chapter in the books is one of the most interesting. And I know George has said we’ll be reading more POV chapters of her. Her storyline with Stannis is almost aligned with the Greek tragedy of Agamemnon.

Brent LaFlam

2023-07-03 01:36:04 +0000 UTC

Am I the only one that felt like Sansa was very much a brat this season? Dany comes north when she didn't have to, with 2 armies (far bigger than the north's) and 2 dragons not mention a mountain's worth of dragon glass which they needed. And not once did Sansa say thank you and mean it. All she cared about was power. What did Dany do that made her so hateful towards her? If it weren't for Dany they'd literally be dead, it's that simple yet all she could think about was how to stop her from getting the throne. I will admit Dany was coming off a little manipulative and power-hungry but only because she felt completely rejected by the north. If anything I hated Sansa almost as much as I hated Cersei this season.

Dashawn Brooks

2023-07-03 01:34:33 +0000 UTC

Spartan: "I can't hate Cersei any more" Cersei: "Hold my wine" 🤣

Ailene Evangelista

2023-07-03 01:33:22 +0000 UTC

I appreciate the pause and chat about Dany. My take is that Dany has had a bit of a "god complex" since season 3-4. I didn't realize myself until the rewatch but she's been giving grand speeches about herself for about 4 seasons. At no point did I ever think she'd ever be okay sharing it with anyone. And knowing she "loves" Jon and still that was her first thought was to feel threatened by him? In Qarth - "I will take what is MINE with fire and blood." "I was born to rule the 7 kingdoms and I will." "I will burn cities to the ground." and a hundred other examples that you'll catch on a rewatch. At first she was about the people I think but power and revenge have a tendency to corrupt the purest intentions on some people (especially those who have a genetic disposition to it...like say a crazy man's daughter) :)

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 01:30:41 +0000 UTC

I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind someone that burns a child at the stake, and I don't care what anyone says, that's simply pure evil, I don't care what her intentions were.

Sarah

2023-07-03 01:23:04 +0000 UTC

Bron's feelings are very understandable, you guys just need to put yourselves in his shoes. From the very beginning all the Tyrion and Jamie did was use him for their own ends. They made promises to give him a castle and a lordship and never paid that debt and as you saw, had no intentions to do so. Jamie even said very bluntly that a cutthroat will never be lord of high garden. He was pissed and rightly so. In hindsight it's a running joke of sorts throughout the show that Lannisters pay their debts but that main person serving them they refused to pay. It's this hypocrisy that made him hold them at "gun point" and demand what was owed.

Dashawn Brooks

2023-07-03 01:20:06 +0000 UTC

ok, danny seems paranoid but, in the end she was right... sansa took no time to expose a secret that ned kept for years and also promised jon. why do you think he did it??? sansa doesn't seem stark, she's more tully like her mother, who captured tyrion without proof after promising ned that she wouldn't do anything... anyway... sansa doesn't want danny as queen, respectable but she has broken her promise and from somehow she doesn't accept what jon does, he's not loyal. maybe she is right or not but his way of acting is not right. Telling it means that people always prefer a man no matter how much he doesn't want it... you've already seen the house of the dragon, right? That's why Dany doesn't want anyone else to know... why not wait? so that cercei becomes stronger? although it is already late, it is evident that cercei has had time to prepare

ruth cueva

2023-07-03 01:17:27 +0000 UTC

Something you guys said that just stuck to me: It would’ve been poetic for Jaimie to return to save/convince Cersei to surrender, and because she’s the monster that she is, refuses, he uses his Valyrian steel sword to plunge it through the heart of the love of his life. Azor Ahai: To temper the sword “Lightbringer” he first does it traditional with water, okay that does work, so instead stabs the secondly reforged sword into one of the most fearsome beasts, a Lion (his fucking sigil), and finally that doesn’t work, so he had to plunge the third tempered sword into the love of his life, his wife, Nissa Nissa. As Melisandre has said many times, “a great gift requires a great sacrifice.” — haha I know I’ll get a little bit of hate defending the love I have for Melisandre and her character arc as seen in the meta lens. I posted more on the unedited 8x3 episode ❤️‍🔥. I don’t want to spoil the rest, but I’ll just leave at Ramsey’s words (I know - another fucking sadistic psychopath), “If you think this ends with a ‘Happy Ending’, you haven’t been paying attention.”.

Brent LaFlam

2023-07-03 00:59:47 +0000 UTC

Well, she said why. Because it will take on a life of its own and get out of control, because once that is told, the secret will end up getting out, which is exactly what happens. Then you have two problems - you have Dany losing a ton of support she might otherwise have, and you have Jon, where many people will try to push him to take on that claim, even though he has zero interest in it. She also wants to be with him, which ideally means they would at some point get married, which even though not in the literal sense, means he would effectively still have a fair bit of the power that would come with pursuing such a claim. As far as realistic GoT politics in this context are concerned, there was little benefit to come of it and potentially massive consequences both short term and long term, including potentially losing against Cersei if things fractured enough, various other long term factors and well, people have been murdered for less. Case in point: Someone tries to poison Daenerys because they think Jon would be a better ruler.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-03 00:49:45 +0000 UTC

I liked Dany as a character and understand all she’s been thru to sit on the Iron Throne but, I thought it was so unfair of her to tell Jon not to tell Sansa and Arya about who he really is. They are The Last Of The Starks (like the episode is titled) plus they’re all close. And they should know as his family and they deserved to know the truth about Ned and what a sacrifice he made for Jon, to keep him safe. Her selfishness didn’t sit well with me. And he doesn’t even want that damn throne. Jon never wanted to be King and that hasn’t changed since finding out he is half Targaryen and The Heir.

Virgogrl

2023-07-03 00:42:57 +0000 UTC

Dany’s paranoia definitely came out of nowhere, it felt very out of character watching her. Great react as always guys!

Invisigoth99

2023-07-03 00:38:02 +0000 UTC

Spartan's hate for Cersi is always funny. But as far as Dany, the throne is all she has ever known. Everything she has been through has been for the throne. she thinks it's her destiny. that's why it's difficult for her to level with Jon on his view about power or the throne. His life purpose hasn't been for it. it's unfair for Dany to expect her to be as level-headed as he is about this. but great reaction per usual, can't wait for the next one.

Leroy

2023-07-03 00:34:33 +0000 UTC

She was emotional and rushed in. Sansa tried to slow her down to rest and recuperate. She listens and that probably doesn't happen.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 00:23:56 +0000 UTC

It made sense to me because he was the only man that ever saw her in that way. She truly did love him. Her first and only love and he broke her heart.

Eve Griffin

2023-07-03 00:22:09 +0000 UTC

I'll be glad when this show is over for multiple reasons. Between this and Korra, every episode they watch gets equal love and hate.

Munir

2023-07-03 00:20:04 +0000 UTC

There is a theory that even the Mad King went mad when he found out about the long night prophecy which is interesting. Btw consider checking the Azor Ahai prophecy

Flexorcist

2023-07-03 00:04:08 +0000 UTC

@Rick That is true, it isn't the worst. My main issues are the smallfolk comment and that I really wanted the Valonqar ending for him, which I personally think is what will happen in the books if they ever finish. If not, its still my headcanon lol.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-02 23:52:57 +0000 UTC

Jaimes arc ending where it ends up isnt the worst really in regards to his character but the rushing makes it bad

Rick James

2023-07-02 23:48:17 +0000 UTC

Eh...even the toughest people can get very emotional, especially when its about someone they genuuinely love or care deeply about. Doesn't make them a lesser person.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-02 23:42:25 +0000 UTC

Yeah I personally think this is one of the worst episodes of the entire series. It also is the episode that messed up one of my favorite characters in the books and show, which is pretty irksome consider it was so close to the end and they could have still finished his arc the way I was hoping it would end.

SuddenImpulse

2023-07-02 23:40:46 +0000 UTC

Cant believe they turned Brienne into a crying clingy emotional wreck over a man

Chad-gon Targaryen

2023-07-02 23:39:44 +0000 UTC

So I guess Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet? RIP Rhaegal

Joseph

2023-07-02 23:30:06 +0000 UTC

Well, I’ll watch this tomorrow as have to get to bed. Mind you, unlike many other people, this is the episode I really don’t like in season 8, as for me this is the one where you really see the rushing. There’s some great stuff in here, but one ep crams in the content of at least 2 eps. Here is where for me they needed to let it breath as a story, so now it’s this ep that frustrates me. Plus, I hate how so many people think Jaime left Brienne the same night because it’s rushed. It’s been at least some days, but we don’t get to see any of that.

Victoria E (vickster5001)

2023-07-02 23:23:53 +0000 UTC

HOTD season 2 comes out next year. Then we will back in Westeros.

Robert L

2023-07-02 23:22:13 +0000 UTC

I'm actually more excited for these reactions than I was these episodes when they aired 💀

Munir

2023-07-02 23:14:14 +0000 UTC

Almost to the end 😩

Eli Wilson

2023-07-02 23:10:52 +0000 UTC

I look forward to spartan and pudgey reactions. Sucks GOT is ending, but I think Breaking Bad is going to be epic

Drip Drop

2023-07-02 23:07:12 +0000 UTC

Let’s go!

Destinee Yang

2023-07-02 23:07:01 +0000 UTC

Game of Thrones Uncut Reaction S8 E4

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it’s not out of character y’all just can’t read between the lines even when it’s obvious

Because i like something you dont?

Lol most annoying person on here

Yeah ridiculous and misogynistic take…

Most ridiculous comparison

LOL is this satire??? You’re lost dude

That is a very ignorant perspective lol. Most people that are emotionally intelligent are able to empathize with others regardless of gender.

Jon would have a higher status tho

screw the targaryens...starks all the way

Can we talk about the fact that Missandei died in chains after being enslaved and then finally liberated only to be put in chains once more then killed? Will never forgive the writers for that one.

Agreed. His friendship is in the fact that he didnt kill Jaime outright.

I hated the last season just to long wait to be let down sucked. But watching Spartan and Pudgey enjoy the final season is actually a nice change and makes the re-watch significantly better.

I definitely agree, it’s out of character for Dany. Spartan, your comments on characters and stuff is how most of us felt lol

Jon getting the throne mightve reminded her of Viserys who did not work for it and yet the rightful heir because he was a man,

I don’t think we’ve seen one moment since season 1 of Cersei making Jamie happy. He might be dependent on her but the show never really showed that whatever he gets from her is happiness.

I’m waiting too 🥲

Tomorrow

Spartan is a dude. He sympathize's with tormund. Your a girl. You sympathize with Brienne. That's all it is nothing more.

That's THE moment we're all waiting for lol

i’ve refreshed a few too many times lol definitely can’t wait for their reaction 😬

I just wanted to see Spartans reaction to the plot twist lmao.

:(

Is 8x5 delayed? I've been waiting all day :(

They already have seen the whole show. So there really are no spoilers at this point.

They already finished the season

Ramsay was being super arrogant because he thought he had a large advantage over Jon and it cost him dearly. Provoking the daughter of the Mad King seems pretty idiotic to me.

Bronn was never friends with Tyrion and Jaime. He doesn’t even pretend to be. He’s a sellsword who goes with the highest bidder. Look at the reunion scene in S7E10. Bronn is doing Bronn this episode. It’s totally in character.

💯💯💯💯💯💯

I’m don’t know… I know many people in life who make character progression and then relapse considerably. Some people wave to change but they can’t. Their addictions are too strong, habits too strong. Jaime’s return to Cersei is disappointing but also wholly realistic.

She was trying to provoke dany just like ramsay did with jon by killing rickon. It worked, just not the way she hoped for.

So we are in a agreement, its what happends that people have an issue with not the how? Great. They give them their dreamending. The ending we got made perfect sense if you paid attention.

Yes, jaime already at least "mentaly" Split from cersei in book 4/5. He will have a much harder job to convince readers and sell his return to cersei. Book readers were always annoyed that jaime spent more time with cersei in the show than in the books. Now, we know why.

You’re in denial Druckerberg, but I’m glad someone enjoyed this shitfest.

s8 was the beginning of the shows downfall but ep4. is really where it picked up the pace.

I’m just impressed Spartan finally admitted he loves to hate Cersai. That’s all I ask for—if she’s acknowledged as a good villian, she’s a good character. The acting AND the writing make her an excellent character, even if we don’t root for her.

I know, I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure what Cersei expected after she killed DANY's 'child' and best friend.

These comments have spoilers.

Personally I really dislike how they changed this from the books. I really cannot see Jaime doing this at this stage based on where his thoughts are regarding Cersei in the books at this stage.

It is and this is the whole point, its supposed to be tragic.

I'm not just talking about Brienne when I say his character progression. He was starting to be a better man in general. But he just goes back to Cersei which I get it but it is still shit for his character.

Tyrion hasn't been around Bronn for ages, he's been with Jamie the past few seasons and for all the risks he took what does he have to show for it? He used his leverage and who can blame him? Lol

Tyrion always did right by Bronn idk what you mean. They used to be so close and Tyrion paid him well and rewarded him.

Cersei makes him happy, brienne doesnt. He loves Cersei, not Brienne. Nothing was thrown out the window, it was fullfilled.

She would be queen still in that instance tho.

I think episode 4 has some of the most problems in that regard. 1-3 was pretty fine and made sense.

I think episode 3 cannot be defeated I disagree it's the best episode.

Legit makes me laugh so much. Whenever he goes on a random tangent about Cersei I crack up.

Character bias is an ironic thing for you to say lol. Might want to look into the mirror mate. Also I just realised your name and profile picture holy shit this is gold. Makes perfect sense that you are defending Dany.

Good comment. Yeah they are definitely irrational with their Cersei hate

I am talking exclusively about 8x4 just to clarify.

Just like your dany Bias. If she just straight up burned kingslanding from the get go... how is this different to the endresult?

Yeah, but im hopeful lol

They were able to kill rhaegal so easily because it was an ambushed, rhaegal was heavily injured and they were not prepared. In 8x5 drogon is healthy and they are prepared.

Well, Dany killed everyone, not only her and her child.

Reigning over her ancestors continent is her coming home and "make westeros great again." She never thought there would be anymore targaryens out there like jon, so home never meant family for her.

God, chill out

lol yeah

Showing emotion doesn’t make you weak. She cares deeply about someone who she feels is likely heading to his death. It doesn’t lessen the fact she’s a capable knight and person.

Great take, Anna. Fully agree.

8 seasons were enough.

That once again, doesnt negate anything i just wrote.

Entire Episode consists only of golden scenes.

They already finished the story weeks ago.

They said they would reserve judgement until the end, not exactly a ringing endorsement. Before this episode, you were right that they were on the same page as you but now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll find out soon.

They said so. They had nitpicks but they are just that: nitpicks.

Spartan, Bronn did ALL THEIR DIRTY WORK and has nothing to show for it lol they have never fully paid him what he was promised. That is 100% in character for him, dude is loyal if others keep their loyalty to him lol.

Woah that’s a spoiler, please delete, yes?

I’d never seen a reactor so surprised she isn’t hooking up with Tormund. So weird.

Not really because until that moment she never had a reason for it.

Haha I don't know why I enjoy Spartan's hatred for Cersei so much. Maybe because That's how I feel exactly.

Did they love it? They seemed the most iffy on this one of any episode.

@Druck Well it's a good thing she managed to avoid that.

True I love their reactions soo much but the one thing I disagree with is how blinded with hatred they are for Cersei , like I dislike Cersei myself yet I was happy when she got revenge by killing ellaria bc she deserved it and when she killed septa unella.

I think she meant burn Cersei and the red keep , otherwise missandei was as crazy as dany lol

True but I don’t agree these last 3 episodes are good writing, it was just too rushed , they needed another season for the dany arc to work.

Cersei called out Brianne for being in love with Jaime in season 4 at Joffreys wedding.

I’d delete this, this didn’t happen yet fyi. Spoiler.

has anyone noticed that bran is basically George RR Martin at this point. He knows everything that ever happened but has no clue how the whole thing ends