Game of Thrones 6x8 Reaction & Review
Added 2023-05-19 04:59:05 +0000 UTCGame of Thrones Reaction & Review S6 E8 | 'No One'
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One thing they don’t focus on much is that when Cat freed Jaime, she made him swear to never again take up arms against Houses Tully and Stark. In trying to preserve his honor, he threatened Edmure and his child to compel Edmure to surrender the castle peacefully. In the books Blackfish escapes (this plot happened chronologically in S5 because Jaime never went to Dorne in the books) and Jaime was successful in takin back Riverrun without violating his oath to Catelyn. He also gets word that Cersei was arrested by the High Septon with a plea from Cersei to come save her, ending with “I love you, I love you, I love you,” and he chooses not to go back to her. That was the end of the last book with Jaime in it, so that’s where his story left off. Lots of book readers were unhappy that Jaime’s character development regressed in the show and he went back to being all about Cersei and his love for her.
Josh Lopater
2023-06-01 08:41:22 +0000 UTC"I'm Arya Stark, and I'm about to hunt some orc" Jaqen sorta looks like a proud Uncle.
rantman
2023-05-23 04:15:46 +0000 UTCJuste si you know: the imp's delight des exist.if i'm correct,the wines from got are produced by australians
Cyrius Smb
2023-05-22 18:07:43 +0000 UTCyou forgot about jamie threatening to throw edmures son at the castle walls, He let them in to protect his son and essentially himself.
Iska
2023-05-22 15:19:08 +0000 UTCI agree with all of this. I just try to be careful of not being someone who hates on D&D. But I was really disappointed with how so many great characters and storylines from the final two books were completely dropped by the show. And I could go on and on with the problems I have about how they handled Dany’s story.
Blackeyedlily
2023-05-22 06:38:32 +0000 UTCI feel like we understand each other. To me, this show was magical during the first 4 seasons. The characters ( so nuanced and layered ), the dialogues, the acting. The source material is brilliant, GRRM is an outstanding writer both story and dialogues. And they managed to pair this material with brilliant actors, who were thriving in it and playing off of each other because their scene partner was also of the same quality. Any scene between Olenna Tyrell and Tywin Lannister ( literally any scene with either of them really ) was excellent. Little Finger and Varys, King Robert and Ned, Ser Davos, Jamie, and some of the younger ones, especially Joffrey and Ramsey. I was obsessed with how good this show was and enjoyed this high-quality adaptation of one of the best series of books I've ever read. Then season 5 hits and some of the dialogue feels like it was written by a 13 year old ( the bad pussy and stuff like that ). And its getting worse and worse, ending up in characters becoming a shallow copy of themselves, reduced to repeat the same 2-3 lines, extremely important stuff happening off-screen, smart characters becoming dumb ( "Dany kinda forgot" ), crazy teleportations across the map, etc... At first watch its not that obvious ( unless you've read the books ) until the last 2 seasons because the story is still new and epic but later when you rewatch it, becomes really obvious. I am not saying everything went to shit but thats where its headed in a steady decline and although I have made my peace with it I mourn the show It could've become. The first half of the show is near perfect, I love it and watched it several times. I just wish they maintained at least some of that quality in the later seasons.
neutchain
2023-05-22 06:30:09 +0000 UTCSo it's not really that confusing. Jaquen prepared Arya for what she needed to do, which was to return home. Arya was always his favourite over the Waif. But he wanted to see if she could come out on top. I think Jaquen always knew Arya would never submit to the faceless men 100% but he wanted to help her.
Valcor
2023-05-22 05:00:30 +0000 UTCSuch a lie cause ahem C ahem
MeanAngel
2023-05-22 03:32:09 +0000 UTC😂
Robert L
2023-05-22 00:43:44 +0000 UTCthere aint no simps in House Spartan. it is known.
CpaSpartan Pudgey
2023-05-21 23:50:55 +0000 UTCSpartan tries to act cool on camera but we know he is the biggest Pudgey simp off screen.
Robert L
2023-05-21 23:33:24 +0000 UTCIf he is a plot device then is Ramsey also just a plot device? I'm confused what is being inferred here. It's highlighting an element of society and the power dynamics of it that is generally not given much limelight prior. It also is an important callback to the history of the faith militant under Aenys 1 Targaryen and the conflict that ensued. I think its an important and relevant aspect of the story and as a result, so is his character.
SuddenImpulse
2023-05-21 20:51:52 +0000 UTCHe’s just a plot device to bridge the gap between the death of Tywin and Dany’s invasion
Stannis the Mannis
2023-05-21 16:44:36 +0000 UTCWith the High Sparrow: I feel like we’re meant to see him as a sadist, a swindler, a con artist, and just an overall bitter and resentful man from living his entire life in the muck. He’s on a revenge path, everything he is doing IS for himself at the end of the day, religion was simply a means to an end for him to accomplish it. Pretty sure he just got high af one night and came up with the entire plan to use the Faith of the Seven to destroy Cersei on a pub napkin and went with it. I think he’s just as smug as Cersei, she’s just worse at putting up a facade. There’s a smile behind the High Sparrow’s eyes when he’s passing judgement or exercising authority over people that feels spiteful. And it’s easier to miss if you’re more focused on the words he’s saying than how the actor delivers it.
Jonny Rey
2023-05-21 11:06:16 +0000 UTCPUDGEY QUEEN ❤️
kallista
2023-05-21 05:48:57 +0000 UTCI agree. I was just trying to put forth what their rationale was. I don’t hate on the guys, because they are responsible for bringing us one of the biggest cultural phenomenons of that decade. But I also don’t think they were up to the task of realizing a great deal of the potential and brilliance of the story as a whole. They did occasionally make a change that resulted in a great scene. I’m a big fan of the Hound and Brienne showdown, which is a significant deviation from the books. But they didn’t seem to know what to do with the magical side of George’s story. And I also feel like many of the shocking scenes in the television show felt like they were done purely for the shock value in the way that D&D did them. And in doing so they lost focus on some of the bigger themes of the story. I do agree that the quality of the dialogue suffered greatly when they didn’t have George’s material to pull from. One of the moments that made Spartan and Pudgey laugh in this episode was when Jamie smacked the Frey son with his golden hand after telling him that he was going to do it if he didn’t shut up. And this detail came straight from the Jamie book chapter in Riverrun, which is a brilliant chapter IMO. But the show dumbed down other aspects of Jamie’s story here, along with dumbing down Edmure’s and Blackfish’s stories too.
Blackeyedlily
2023-05-21 05:19:38 +0000 UTCI always thought that was a stupid reason. If they wanted to move on they could've tell HBO that so they could bring on someone competent to bring it home. The decline of quality in writing ( both in story arcs but especially in dialogues ) is very clear from season 5 onwards but there are certain scenes where it gets really bad. In later seasons some characters are reduced to repeating the same 3 lines. Most fans will never forgive them for leaving the way they did and I am firmly in that group.
neutchain
2023-05-21 04:34:04 +0000 UTCI think that the High Sparrow is an intriguing character but I don't like how he forces innocent people like Margaery and Loras to suffer
Josh Jones
2023-05-21 02:57:39 +0000 UTCWithout giving further stuff away. Consider every thing she does through season 1. In the books it’s implied she was on her own accord fooling with the king while his wife was still around. Much like margerys ambition in KL. Not that Otto forced her to do it once the king was a widower. The death of Harwin strong. It was plotted by someone else and she had no idea. The usurping of the throne for her son… was entirely planned without her. She had no idea. The stupid decision to have Viserys dying words about the prophecy and her accidentally interpreting that as her reason to be okay with usurping the crown. They took away all of her power and decision making and made her a near helpless victim in all circumstances. The only moment she shows anything remotely similar to her book character is the episode 9 where she pulls the knife. And they even made the whole Aemond and Vhagar killing scene an ooopsies. While the book is a collection of vague interpretations of events that specific scene was I believe the most detailed and concrete Dragon battle and it wasn’t an ooopsies. Aemond out of anger rode him down no questions asked and there was witnesses. They make all those changes because they want to split fans between the greens and blacks instead of allowing you to make decisions about the characters as the each do evil and awful things. And that’s gonna take away from a lot of the bad things each of the characters have coming their way.
Scuba Steve
2023-05-20 22:11:33 +0000 UTCThis was the most disappointing episode of Season 6 IMO. And it is a season with some of my very favorite episodes. The two storylines that really disappointed me were the Jamie Riverrun storyline and the Arya Faceless Man storyline. Both storylines suffer in comparison to the books. And from listening to Spartan and Pudgey, I believe they would really enjoy how these stories are handled in the books too. As far as Jamie and Riverrun, the main problem was the elimination of various storylines and characters in an effort to streamline the story. I understand that the show runners were working toward an ending timeline that they wanted. And I can’t hold that against them. They had devoted many years to this show and decided they were wanting to move on. But some of their cuts hurt the overall story. With Arya’s story it comes down to how the show never really handled the magical story elements. The show runners loved the political intrigue of this story and do a great job with it. The mystical side not so much.
Blackeyedlily
2023-05-20 17:27:46 +0000 UTCNah I think they made Alicent pretty understandable in ep 9. Also we did not really see what she is capable of.
Rey Jr
2023-05-20 17:02:22 +0000 UTCwith the type of injuries arya suffereed, there is no way she would be fit enough to do any of that or fight but hey.....I mean her older Bro got stabbed by Roose and that was the final nail as they say.
Mark Laniel
2023-05-20 03:42:49 +0000 UTCRemember lady Mormont and her 62 warriors from Bear Island kept faith with house Stark
IBRAHIM ALJABOR
2023-05-20 03:12:04 +0000 UTCSpartan have your sword, spear, and shield ready " the battle of the bastards " is next
IBRAHIM ALJABOR
2023-05-20 03:08:44 +0000 UTCNow she's the underdog, I liked that moment Mountain killed the religious fighter.
Dname
2023-05-19 22:25:56 +0000 UTCWell episode 9 and 10 I mean 😱
siggemushu
2023-05-19 18:42:30 +0000 UTCI took it as Arya was supposed to make a lie sound like a truth and that’s why when she was training she kept getting slapped when she would change little details like John being her real brother instead, he is your half brother. So I thought when she said, a girl is Arya stark and I’m going home she made a lie sound like the truth because she’s really no one and that’s why he and let her go because she completed her mission and was able to sell the lie.
faika hammoud
2023-05-19 17:48:33 +0000 UTCThis is a good analysis. And I’ve always viewed Alicent as a half cersei/half margery and it’s why I absolutely HATE how they butchered her character in House or Dragon and simply make her a weak victim in every circumstance.
Scuba Steve
2023-05-19 17:47:55 +0000 UTCGood suggestions for how to understand this storyline. Helped me to understand it better after years of just letting it go unexplained. Even if the writers didn’t necessarily succeed in conveying all that, the viewer has the power to read into it and make it make more sense.
Daniel Siegel
2023-05-19 17:10:08 +0000 UTCarya left the blood trail on purpose to get the waif in her lair to fight her blind
ramon carter
2023-05-19 15:41:28 +0000 UTCI see you Pudgey 😉 nailed the intro you did. Cannot wait for next episode!
sirboss__
2023-05-19 15:00:44 +0000 UTCI cannot wait for the next episode reaction! 😱
siggemushu
2023-05-19 14:43:25 +0000 UTCConcerning Cersei, she certainly is no angel, but there is a reason she's not fighting on the front lines like the men who have literally been trained for this their whole lives while she hasn't. Cersei talks about that in s02e09, how when she was a child Jaime and her were very similar, but at some point they were separated and he learnt how to fight and she learnt how to do ladylike things like bow and sew, and she didn't understood why at the time, and said she wished she was born a man. She's trying remain on top with the means that are at her disposal in a patriarchal society, so yes, a lot of intrigues, using warriors who can fight for her, using men who have more power than she does (like her own sons). Brienne and Arya are exceptions in this society, not the rule, and they are lucky that their fathers accepted them as they are. Similar to Rhaenyra and Alicent, Viserys let Rhaenyra be herself, but Alicent was completely under Otto's control growing up. Same thing with Cersei, there's no way Tywin would have allowed Cersei to learn how to fight with a sword and other manly things.
Lise
2023-05-19 13:23:28 +0000 UTCFor me, Jaime’s love for Cersei, although it is, as you say, his worst trait, it’s also the biggest example of what was in the early episodes his only good trait - love of family. Even when he was awful is the early eps, you could see his love for his family and that was at least something good. Yet, sadly, as you see here, it is also the same thing that causes him to do bad things. I do love that scene with Brienne when he says the sword will always be hers. It feels like the sword is so much more than a sword in that moment. Oh and edmure gave up the castle to save his son I assume.
Victoria E (vickster5001)
2023-05-19 13:07:00 +0000 UTCEpisode 9 is coming!
Kevin Warner
2023-05-19 12:53:58 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/avz06PDqDbM
Chef Nourhan Malik
2023-05-19 11:52:26 +0000 UTCI absolutely love this explanation! That was a beautifully worded explanation of Jaime’s character and how he struggles with his own identity, legacy, and image. Well done!
Geoff Pennington
2023-05-19 10:17:49 +0000 UTCThey've done Jamie's character in the show dirty
Lisa
2023-05-19 10:03:31 +0000 UTCIt's not possible to explain the Faceless Men story without spoilers. But I think that Jaqen believes that the Many-Faced God decides who lives and who dies and therefore Arya's fate was to triumph over the waif and leave the house of black and white.
Elizabeth D.
2023-05-19 09:49:50 +0000 UTCBrienne never changed Jaime, she just brought the real Jaime out. He's been spurned as the kings layer all his life so he used it as a shield to protect himself. Remember Tyrion's line in the first episode "Use it like armour and it can never be used to hurt you", the difference being that Jaime isn't, and has never truly been that. He is very insecure, and feels like an imposter having wanted to emulate the great knights he grew up with. When Edmure started berating him for the things he has done, Jaime leaned into that character, he put on the facade of "The Kingslayer" because Edmure already believed that was who he was.
Kieran Youde
2023-05-19 09:48:31 +0000 UTCGreat reaction guys. Just wanted to clear something up for you. It’s actually called “The Brotherhood Without Banners”. As they have no banners, no affiliation to any family, they are a brotherhood.
Jamiefishing7
2023-05-19 09:31:03 +0000 UTCSpartan being so surprised at Edmure 🤣 I think he forgot literally 5 minutes previously when Jaime threatened to launch his baby with a catapult if he didn't do what he said
Josh Ashford
2023-05-19 09:25:58 +0000 UTCYeah, that's def the vibe I get from Jaquen. His idea was to show her his ways, not to actually convert her. Meanwhile, I think his real problem later on was with the Waif, who was showing clear biases against Arya, which meant that she had never actually shed her identity. I would say "I wish we could have seen more faceless men". But I'd imagine it's possible there were, like, 15 faceless men already there. Each taking a turn with the Jaquen face, so he seems like some lone monk.
Jonathanese
2023-05-19 09:10:19 +0000 UTCWIth the Arya/Waif stuff, I think what was going on is that it was pretty clear that the Waif, despite being an acolyte of the house of black and white, was very clearly not "No One", and still had way too many personal motives and vendettas. And this became obvious to "Jaquen" in the last few episodes that she was very much a problem. I think his plan with Arya was never to make her a "faceless man", but to train her, being well aware that she can never actually be "no one". The "Finally a girl is no one" line makes zero sense, because the fight proved exactly zilch about how well she has detached herself from her identity. The only way it makes sense to me is if he was trying to portray it as some fake test, expecting Arya to finally acknowledge who she is, stop trying to be no one, and go back out on her killing spree, while he got to have a fake acolyte culled in the meantime with the Waif's death. But it's all from a couple vague looks and lines, and assumptions I made about how "I" would write such a character. So its, like, ALL reading between the lines on that one.
Jonathanese
2023-05-19 09:04:42 +0000 UTCI think Jaqn says Arya is finally “no one” because that was the first face she cut, and also she finally killed the waif who trained her, meaning she had surpassed her. Jacqn had that smile at the end because he always knew Arya was never going to fully relinquish her identity yet he trained her anyway. He is proud of her and knows she has her own destiny.
Gummybear
2023-05-19 08:35:09 +0000 UTCOK this was easy to miss, but I think you missed the point of Jaime's interaction with Edmure. I remember watching it about 3 times when it aired to see what happened there. When he first walked into the tent, he tried to convince Edmure to surrender by appealing to his better side. "Go be with your family." "Make the castle surrender so there's no bloodshed, no lives need be lost." But Edmure made it very clear that Jaime cannot shake his image as the "kingslayer" and "sisterf*cker", so he has no "better side" to use as a bargaining chip. He's already irredeemable in Edmure's eyes. So you can see the sudden shift right on his face. He switches from trying to convince Edmure by being a better man than he once was, to instead leaning IN to the stereotype Edmure and others so despise and fear. He plays the nasty dishonorable card because that's what Edmure will believe. He doesn't believe that Jaime cares about people, but he WOULD believe that Jaime would slaughter cities and catapult children to get back to incest and dishonor. Ultimately, that's what worked, and saved most of the lives at Riverrun by becoming an occupation rather than a siege. What we saw was more or less what Jaime has been the whole time. Willing to forsake his image to avoid war, then willing to use a forsaken image to avoid war. His secret calm wave to Brienne sort of a sigh of relief. After having to use his burned and scarred image as strategy, She's one of the only people in the world who believes Jaime has good in him.
Jonathanese
2023-05-19 08:34:50 +0000 UTCI know it's a cliche thing to say for these seasons but I much prefer Jaime's reasoning in the books for the Riverrun bit. In them it's not about getting back to Cersei, he instead wants to prove himself as a successful commander and a peacemaker, to give himself a legacy thats more than just "kingslayer". He daydreams about being called "Goldenhand" one day. He still says awful things to Edmure to make him surrender but privately he feels disgusted by what he said, but tells himself that saying horrible threats is better than actually fighting. Just my thoughts though.
Jack Maitland
2023-05-19 08:03:30 +0000 UTC25:22 thats the silly thing about swearing oaths, you're expected to keep them even when its stupid.
Cay-man
2023-05-19 07:11:59 +0000 UTCArya left the blood trail ( on purpose ) she wanted the waif to follow her where she had the advantage of both needle and darkness!
Chef Nourhan Malik
2023-05-19 06:46:04 +0000 UTCI’ve always thought of Toph when Arya fights the Waif in the dark. Plus, the Waif literally trained Arya to kill her. Man I can’t wait for season 7!!!
Amber Mary
2023-05-19 05:57:46 +0000 UTCSpartan with his inner Andrew Tate saying pudgey is lucky to be his queen hahahaha that was hilarious
Sean Carroll
2023-05-19 05:56:32 +0000 UTCYou guys are my favorite reactors on the platform hands down your energy and how your minds work is super relatable
Chef Nourhan Malik
2023-05-19 05:49:01 +0000 UTC
