Game of Thrones 6x3 Reaction & Review

Olly deserved what he got, he stabbed John over something stupid because he refused to see the bigger picture

Abraham Lever

“Good, now go fail again” - Davos is my top favorite character on GOT and I know it’s a huge statement to make but I truly enjoyed this character and the portrayal of it by Liam Cunningham he had the most rational thinking and digestible dialogue.

Chef Nourhan Malik

I know this thread is a week old but honestly Dany executing the civilian was a hard decision, but it wasn't smart. Also, we shouldn't assume they don't have sympathy because it was an unwise decision, and I was frustrated as well. They should've executed him privately or banished him. For Allister and co execution is the only choice. There is no banishment from the Night's Watch.

Erwin Smith

Let's start printing out the comments lol

Juan

In hindsight everything is much clearer

Juan

Hell yeah! All my homies hate Olly.

Valcor

this guy happy at a child getting killed lmao

Juan

to be fair, Jon then should have murdered Tormund. If Olly gets killed for "betraying" him but Tormund gets to live after helping murder and butcher this kids family and community it makes literally 0 sense.

Mark Laniel

Ser Alliser Thorne and his family were proud Targaryen loyalists, so naturally when the Targaryen's were overthrown he was given the choice of execution or the wall. His distaste for Jon is simple, he is the son of one of the leaders of the rebellion against the Targaryen throne and as such could probably never do anything to gain Alliser's admiration. Thorne was not a "bad guy" when you look at all the facts, he was a morally grey character like many of them are. Did he do bad stuff? Yes. But remember we are seeing it purely from Jon's perspective. Was I glad to see him go? Yes. However there is more to his character than the show permits us to see and had we seen it from his point of view I believe many people would feel differently.

Kale

@NeneSays, the "million times" comment wasn't a criticism 😂. Just tryna tell you that a lot of us agree with you.

Julien

Yall are giving Alisser Thorne too much credit. That man has no honor whatsoever and didn't kill Jon out of duty or beliefs. That was all an excuse so he could make his power grab. He didn't volunteer to join like Jon did. He had to spend his life at the wall or die. You could tell he hated it and the people who sent him there like Ned and Jon for being Ned's son. He took it out on all the recruits he trained/abused. I'm sure he waited years for Lord Commander Mormont to die so he could take his place yet that didn't happen. In his mind his enemies son came in and stole his promotion. The one person who could beat him in a sword fight. The one person who wasn't afraid to stand up to him... Jon. The Lord Commander position is for life so there's no way Alliser can wait for Jon to die of old age. So he took matters into his own hands. He told everyone Jon was a threat to the Night's Watch and stoked a kids hatred for wildlings so that kid would betray the only person who cared for him. Allister Thorne got what was coming to him and he did it all for ambition

Kyle Thompson

yes he did. his watch ended when he died. he gave his position to ed after when he could have done before. jon is defined by honor more than most. Dany tends to be driven by temptation, impulse, emotion and going back and forth depending on who she listens to at the moment. she has issues with trust and relationships. jon is one track mind. remember when he left ygritte for the watch? remember when he denied melissandre regardless of ygritte being dead? remember when he went north to convince the wildings to come because he took the watches words to heart where you protect the realms of men and not dead ice zombies? dany lives another life on another contient. compairing the two and holding them to your personal standards does not work. they are not the same. their stories are different. the roles they play are different. hence, most people would judge them differently. there is no absolute in this universe or ours. black and white thinking does not lead anywhere.

Abby

I absolutely don’t care if they like me. If they don’t they can block me. I am just standing 10 toes down on my opinion and my initial comment. YALL jon snow stans are the ones that are triggered and why y’all are all in my comments like this. I just refuse to back down bc I don’t respect y’all so I’m doubling down. And yes I am 5 actually. Are you going to beat my ass now? Are you going to laugh? Are you going to be mad? Are you going to cry like baby deku???

NeneSays

"They are smart individuals so I want them to think like me", "suck my ass through a straw" lmfaoooo are you like 5? And if you can count your comments on one hand you either need to go back to first grade or move away from Chernobyl

Anna J

I actually don’t comment all that much. I think you’re triggered bc I’m making actual points. And I mostly just comment when there’s hypocrisy happening. Like I can literally count on 1 hand how many times I’ve left a comment. And that’s not including going back and forth with dumb mfers under my initial comment. I enjoy Spartan and Pudgey’s reactions so much so that I pay to watch uncut and early reactions. So imma comment when I want to. They are smart individuals so I want them to think of another perspective. But suck my ass through a straw, imma keep commenting and actually imma comment more just to piss you off.

NeneSays

Jesus Christ, do you have to talk shit and attack people every single time someone likes Jon more than Dany? People are allowed to have favorites and are allowed to like some characters more than others. You do this on almost every damn video, throwing tantrums in the comments, get a grip and don't watch if you're getting so triggered and have to argue with everyone in the comments every time.

Anna J

@Gam Mac I’m not shaming anyone. Have your opinions but be honest and truthful and say you like jon snow and THAT is why you don’t mind when he does the same thing Daenerys does. That’s all I’m saying. Its dishonest to pretend like the “criticism” dany has to face is not rooted in some type of sexism. Them liking Tywin Lannister & Roose Bolton confirmed that for me. These are people that have slaughtered and have raped or raped women themselves,even going as far as killing children but they are respected and even liked more than Dany. Who frees slaves. Just admit that mfers don’t like Dany, JUST BECAUSE. Not for any serious or real reason. They don’t like her JUST BECAUSE.

NeneSays

@NeneSays You can't expect a civilized discussion by branding people as biased/having double standards. It's absolutely fair for people to have their own opinions because they are entitled to it. What's unfair is other people forcing their views on other people like tyrant by shaming other people for their views (which is what you're basically doing by branding people biased/having double standards) 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gam Mac

@Sean Carroll Thank you for confirming that you are indeed biased.

NeneSays

Dany is a boring character, Jon is epic. Case closed

Sean Carroll

@Valcor No he killed someone else who was awaiting trial and splattered his blood on the wall with a message to incite violence. As I have said before and will keep saying, murder is murder. Both crimes (murdering your liege lord or disobeying order plus committing murder) have the same punishment. Just say you can’t look at shit objectively bc you like jon snow. Just admit your fucking biased. That’s all I’m saying. Mfers are biased and we should stop pretending like they aren’t.

NeneSays

Umm I don't remember the slave killing Dany.

Valcor

@Julien I wasn’t there for those convos so that’s why I am bringing it up. I also am not privy to convos between S and P and their mods so idk has been said to them besides what they say. So idk what million times you’re referring to. I agree with everything else you said tho. But even if it used to be worse, I can still say my piece.

NeneSays

@NeneSays, we've been over this a million times and it's crystal clear to me that there is, or at least was, an anti-Dany bias when it came to leadership. Despite denials, I firmly believe that it was rooted in sexism. There are countless examples of opposing Dany for doing the same thing that men like Robb or Stannis or Twin have done. When it's them, it's "I respect it!" When it's her, it's "pipe down." The men are given all the benefit of doubt and allowed all the grace in the world to fuck up. Their mistakes are rationalized while Dany's are amplified. The bias used to be much worse! But I think the comments here have helped provide some perspective and self-awareness over the seasons.

Julien

@NeneSays you may be right about that, but that's not what I was arguing at all. I never claimed that Dany executing the slave was wrong (although I don't think it was the best decision). My only point is that your own men stabbing you in the chest is much worse than a slave killing their former master. If Jon was in Dany's position, it would be considered murder AND treason, and treason is a far worse offense in Westeros/Essos than murder. I agree that DANY had to make a hard decision, but Jon's decision didn't seem hard at all (except for Olly who is a show addition anyway). I'm not saying Jon was right and Dany was wrong, I was just confused you were comparing the two situations in the first place. Comparing Mossador's execution to Slynt's I can understand. Hell, almost every character we follow is a killer in this world, so saying all murderers get executed is a vast oversimplification. I guess if you define murder as any killing outside of the law, and the law as the leader's will, then you would be almost right. But how is that meaningful at all?

Munir

@Gam Mac What I’m trying to get at is WHY people seem to dislike Dany more than other characters. Why do people who like people like stannis, tywin and etc. I truly want to understand why. And they can like whoever they want but as a reaction channel I am also allowed to react to their reaction. I love their channel and I love hearing their opinions which differ from mine. Them having different opinions doesn’t bother me, it invites convo which I love. You’re mad bc I said something you don’t like and now you’re acting like I’m “triggered”, when you can’t even have a discussion about what I said. So stfu.

NeneSays

@NeneSays Idk what you're trying to get at but each viewer is allowed to have favourites. Double standards implies unfairness but it's fair for viewers to have favourites. Each person has their preferred favourites and certain bad actions by that favourite character gets a pass (until too many bad actions made by that character makes them not the viewer's favourite anymore). Standards for a favourite character cannot be compared to standards for a character that a viewer considers just meh. I never liked Stannis (in the books or the show) and I can't relate to the Stannis stans out there. But to each there own and they're allowed to have Stannis as one of their favourites, so why should I make a fuss about it? Why are u so triggered over the fact that Jon is someone's favourite over Dany?

Gam Mac

@munir Murder is murder. When you murder someone and get caught in the World of Ice and Fire, you get executed. Be that at the wall, winterfell, the vale, the riverlands, the reach the westerlands, iron islands, the crownlands, dorne, and especially all over essos. That is a basic law that everyone in that world can agree upon. The context doesn’t matter. Both dany and jon had every reason and right to execute who they executed but only 1 of 2 gets condemned for following basic procedure.

NeneSays

@suddenimpulse030 Thank you for this comment bc that’s really what I’m trying to get at. Both Dany and Jon had every right and reason to execute who they executed. Yet, for some reason, only dany is condemned for executing the former slave when she had every right and reason to. I just wanted to point out the obvious bias based on their reactions to both situations. And situations were not identical but similar bc the people they executed both had something you can sympathize with. You have dany executing a former slave who is angry bc of all the abuse and etc, he’s experienced and then you have jon executing his brothers that betrayed him but they betrayed bc they truly believed this was the only way they’d survive. Given the history of the NW and wildlings, they have no reason to believe they wouldn’t cut their throats after they’ve been let in to go south. Especially Olly. Idk how anyone can watch jon execute that lil boy and not feel something. Like I get it he shanked everyone’s fav jon but this boy literally watched Tormund, Ygritte and CO, slaughter his family and people…..yet a lot of people cheered when he died or just brushed it off as whatever, as if his reasons for his actions didn’t mean anything. It’s giving double standards and hypocrisy to me and in the words of Caresha Brownlee, “ion like det”.

NeneSays

Janos Slynt betrayed Ned and had a hand in his death. Which is why Tyrion sent him to the nights watch. Jon executed him without ever knowing how Janos betrayed Ned. But the viewer knew this and cheered Jon on for giving Justice to one of the people that betrayed Ned. That’s the difference in Janos Slynts death and the boy in Merreen.

I❤️movies&tvshows

None of this is spoilers. If you are *certain* its a spoiler thats one thing, otherwise its best to DM a mod to take a look. Lets try to avoid such things because it may cause S&P to avoid an otherwise perfectly fine post.

SuddenImpulse

I definitely think what Olly did was wrong, but I do understand the perspective and the actions that led to were understandable. Same with Alliser. Jon regularly downplayed issues members of the Nights Watch were having and he got blindsided and punished for it, despite warnings from more experienced leaders that he ignored. Its one of those famous consequences for flawed decisions and actions that GoT is known for.

SuddenImpulse

Eh, one of them puts her and her mens lives at much greater peril by trying to spark off a full blown civil war, the others just went after the main target themselves. One was direct, the other more indirect. I also don't really see why it matters the crowd was begging for mercy. The half that was shown was, the other half wasn't, and the crowd is working on entrenched politic and emotion, not the rule of law. You have to run a society based on law not the whims of one group in a city on the brink of civil war. I would argue in both cases the perpetrators deserved execution, even though in both cases both leaders had access to a prison system they both chose the former instead, and really by GoT societal standards neither action was uncalled for or unusual within their contexts. Being in the audience chair results in some biases to a degree and one has to check themselves against that both within the perspective they are watching the show and in how things are being shown on camera.

SuddenImpulse

@NeneSays disobeying an order and "threatening the peace of Mereen" is comparable to your own men murdering you? I really don't think it has the same weight asking that question about Dany's situation.

Munir

We don’t have to apply any rules we don’t want to and we don’t have to admit anything to you either. Get real.

D.C.

@robert chris So bc you had blind sympathy for some RANDOM ex slave, dany is supposed to forget about the political ramifications of not executing someone who threatened the peace in mereen and who disobeyed orders??? Jon took Janos slynt for less and mfers was cheering. I just want the same rules applied to all characters or at least admit there’s bias there.

NeneSays

@munir Did Dany really have a choice? what was dany going to do, pardon a murderer that was threatening the peace of mereen?

NeneSays

The crowd was begging mercy for the guy. Also we as the audience didn’t hate that guy.

Robert L

Did Jon really have a choice? What was he going to do, pardon the people who stuck daggers into his chest?

Munir

It’s crazy how y’all are sympathetic to jon when he’s executing people(olly & co) but when dany executed a former slave, y’all barely had any sympathy for her having to make a hard decision. I was waiting on this ep to drop to bring it up bc the double standards are crazy. Edit: Pls for the love of the old gods and the new, read sudden’s comment, my response to it and my other replies, if you want more context. Also read my other comments before you leave a comment under this. I’m not explaining myself any further. I said what tf I said. Edit # 2: Suck my ass through a straw. I don’t care.

NeneSays

Yes please. Too much other good stuff out there I’d like to see them react to. And we’ll see them reacting to HOTD S2 post GOT, so we’ll still get to see their appreciation of the world and lore. No need to redo everything.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Julien Absolutely. I say “fuck Olly” because he helped kill a character I like better, but it’s a jest. Olly would have a tremendous amount of PTSD trauma and as a child, his brain isn’t even finished developing yet. As someone who LOVES Torumund, I still remember he was THERE in the village raid, and he was also there when half of the Night’s Watch was killed last season—and the NW was Olly’s new family, so Olly would be reliving the horrors of watching his old family die. Then Jon brings Tormund back with the rest of the Free Folk. Of course it’s going to trigger Olly, and of course Olly feels powerless and threatened. I blame the ADULTS who murdered Jon. Olly was a casualty of this cruel world more than anything else, IMHO.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

“She” who?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Julien Agreed, there’s no reason to get into book differences here. This is a SHOW reaction channel. For that matter, if people tell too much about what’s in the books, curiosity shrinks and fewer people care about actually reading them because they already “know” what’s in them.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@valcor Agreed, the two swords looked badass, and since this is a show adaptation, it really doesn’t matter if the weapons were different than the books. The end result is the same re: who lived/died.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Ok, troll. I asked how old Little Sam looks, as someone who’s bad at guessing the ages of babies. That’s not a plot point, hint, foreshadow, nudge, story arc, lore, or anything even close to a spoiler.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

SPOILERS!!!

Bukhaari Jama

I'm one of the few who sympathize w Olly. In my view he did nothing wrong and the hate against him is unwarranted and disproportionate. If I were forced to make buddies w the people who massacred my entire village and literally ate my parents, I might have done the same. It is what it is.

Julien

Sir Arthur Dayne bore the title "the Sword of the Morning"...the sword itself was named "Dawn"

Russell Ross

aw man we're at a point where it actually hurts to wait for new reactions hehe (not for any specific moment or episode, its just all great)

A.D

Wait, aren’t we not supposed to spoil the books because S & P want to read them later?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

If being a “cocky fool” gets you killed and you can never fight again, does it really matter if you were “better” than the other man?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@ Kayla Immature thinking is appropriate for him. Olly is a kid. His brain literally isn’t finished developing yet. He literally doesn’t have an adult’s ability to really think through forever consequences and make solid decisions. This is why most countries have different penalties for child murderers than adults. Olly was grieving with PTSD and an under-developed brain. He made a really bad decision. I’m far more upset about the ADULTS who killed Jon and truly knew better and understood the stakes. But like I said before in another thread—fuck Olly, BUT simply because he’s a fictional character who helped kill another fictional character I like far more.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I'd say at least the pilot is a must. And perhaps the finale. They have the most references to GOT. Otherwise I wouldn't sit thru an entire season of a rewatch.

Julien

This is book nerdery that has zero relevance to the story as told in GOT.

Julien

Wait, aren’t we not supposed to spoil the books because S & P want to read them later?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I assume that George was inspired by king Arthur and the Sword in the Stone with this character Arthur Dayne.

Junriel Roa

I agree. So many great things you missed because you didn't know the history of Westeros back then than you do now.

Junriel Roa

If you guys didn't know yet. Sir Author Dayne in Bran's vision is Jamie Lannister's teacher. His sword is the famous "Sword of the morning" where only a knight of house Dayne can wield it. That sword is alien and can cut through steel like Valerian steel, except that it's lighter than valerian steel. That's why Author Dayne can wield two swords due to one being so light.

Junriel Roa

Did you notice “the prince that was promised”? The line from House of the Dragon?

Daryl

Mzuka

Yup yup, all true to the highest degree! Well put💯💯💯

Wyrx

The beautiful thing is.. its not even on a technicality, he served the watch faithfully to his death. Just as per the oath Hahah, yeah would like the see anyone make that argument esp after the executions of the coup makers/killers of said Lord commander😂 Honestly wouldnt even say Jon is going against the spirit of the oath really. Not like he did the Drowned ironborn thing and was given Westerosi cpr. He actually died, legit. And was brought back in actually fact. Nobody can claim he didnt fulfill the oath in every way

Wyrx

All of this, yes yes!

Wyrx

You: "The Show butchered..." S&P : enjoying the scene nonetheless.

DrückebergerTV

I think when you guys finish Game of Thrones you should do a House of the Dragon rewatch. It would be very interesting to see the experience you guys have of watching HOTD before and after watching GOT.

Dani

To me, Jon leaving the Night's Watch was less about him feeling there's something bigger, but more so he has other things to fight for, like his home, his family. He sacrificed standing with Ned and Robb, to fight for people who ended up murdering him anyway. So when he handed off his cloak to Ed and said "my watch has ended" he meant he was done sacrificing himself for a group who didn't appreciate him. Also, he had the freedom to because he lived out his vows. He served until his dying day, now he can do what he wants.

Pat man

He had the right to feel however he wanted but he had no right to kill him for it

Gummybear

nah it’s still immature thinking. because at the end of the day, humanity as they know it is at risk and everyone has to make sacrifices. people have lost people on both sides.

Kayla Carlyle

Ollie saw Jon Snow become friends with the wildling who helped murder his community/parents. I totally understand why he felt the way he did.

Robert L

The book version is that Arthur Dayne carries a greatsword called Dawn. It is a sword that is made of metal from a fallen meteorite. It is a pure white blade, like milkglass. Unlike valyrian swords that are simply passed down from generation to generation, Dawn can only be wielded by a worthy member of house Dayne. Once deemed worthy, the person is given the title of "sword of the morning". Arthur Dayne was arguably the greatest swordsman in the history of Westeros and he wielded the most famous sword.

Farbod

Pudgeys snarky response after Spartan said he was technically right about Daenarys imprisonment was hilarious.

Valcor

Honest question from an open mind for you folks who are better about telling a baby’s age than child-free me: How old does Little Sam look? Because to me, he looks like he’s not quite a toddler. Meanwhile, after Little Sam was already born, Walda Frey got married, got pregnant, had her baby, and got killed. Does Little Sam look too young with this timeline, or is it just me? Edited to add: Just looked it up, and Sam ran away with Gilly and Little Sam in S3E4 to go back to The Wall.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Dudes got a majority weak stomach didn't expect that from him lol

Valcor

Pudgeys reaction when Spartan said he was technically right about Daenarys imprisonment was hilarious.

Valcor

I think two swords is pretty badass but I don't know what the original version was.

Valcor

Suprised you guys were sad at the execution scene and not happy. I was smiling ear to ear and happy that Olly and Sir Alliser died. Think you are some of the only people who sympathise for Olly but I do respect the way Sir Alliser went out.

Valcor

"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death" John was dead so his watch ended, he is not a deserter.

Valcor

LOL What if that’s why Olly stabbed Jon? “I heard Maester Aemon tell Jon to kill me [the boy] and then he went and got a bunch of wildlings! It was self-defense!”

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

They kind of killed each other, really.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

You guys should watch a video and find out who the three eyed raven is.

Ayo1210

Hand over mouth, eyes wandering. She nailed the first class of acting. At least what it was in the 80s.

Rockstar

Your vows end with your death. He is free of his Nights Watch vows. I dont see it as deserting.

Nick Wright

jon died his watch has ended those are the rules

ramon carter

I love your guys’ cute little banter and pudgey’s defiance 🤣

Gummybear

Well said!! totally agree

Gummybear

Oberyn beat the mountain though…

Gummybear

The show really butchered the tower of joy. I hope they can watch the animated version on youtube directly from the books after they finish season 7. It's such a better version. They did Arthur Dayne dirty. Two swords? How lame. The didn't even showcase Dawn.

Farbod

The events in Bran's vision happen right at the end of the war. You could say it's the last thing that happens in the war, that officially ends it. And yes, even though the mad king and Rhaegar are dead, and their side lost the war, Arthur Dayne and the other one are kings guard, and still honor bound to be loyal to the Targaryen dynasty and follow the instructions of their king and prince. Plus considering, even though the war is over, an heir still lives in Viserys, and in theory they could go and join him to reclaim the throne, like Sir Barriston did with Daenerys.

Marcell

🫨🫨🫨 True!!

CpaSpartan Pudgey

Being more likable = having more respect.

Jaroslav Dočekal

The funny thing is I was actually on your side on this debate, but your consistent refusal to show a basic modicum of respect for our rules, systems, procedures, and heiriarchy, both respect to us and towards S&P, is a MUCH bigger issue here and that is what I focused on resolving first and foremost, because this cannot be a continuously recurring scenario, and S&P won't be reading the original post regardless at this point. This is the reality as of right now: 1. To some this seems to be a grey area topic. Some think your first section is fine, but the latter half isn't. Some thing its completely fine, some think its not at all. Things like this will happen sometimes.I am going to rewatch this scene and re-read your post, and I will discuss this with the mods and we will make a final determination. If this is insufficient, we will escalate this to S&P directly and their decision is final on how this is dealt with. 2. Irregardless of this whole patreon post, we cannot have members of this community that repeatedly attack our admin team and refuse after NUMEROUS requests to use the appeal system if there is a long form or serious disagreement about a moderation action. If this continues to happen, S&P will remove you from our content platforms. It's that simple, and nothing you reply with will change that fact. Disagreeing is perfectly fine, how you are going about it is not. Respectful discussion needs to be had, and through the proper channels. We have this appeals system in place for a reason. Also, it isn't up to you to decide what is or isn't valid. We could have 500 rules and someone could just say "I don't see that as valid reasoning" and do whatever. See the issue here? That is S&P's prerogative.

SuddenImpulse

Good quality post, albeit I am a bit more favorable to Stannis as I disliked the fan fiction version the show crafted, but as far as the show goes it fits.

SuddenImpulse

From slave to queen to slave again. Her story really said reset time!

Nana-Afia

Spartan's reaction to the vomit lol.....

Yassine El Allati

@Shellbot You’re the one who’s reverting the convo telling me to touch grass when all I’ve done was question you pathetic mods as to why I should delete my comment and nobody has yet to provide a VALID explanation to do so. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say to make it easier for you to accept that you were wrong in this situation and you and the other worthless mods shouldn’t have replied to me in the first place and just left my comment alone.

Daniel

Your immaturity isn't other people's sensitivity. Your obviously a very rude and childish person. I won't be engaging further as it is like trying to argue with a toddler. Have a good evening.

Shellbot

Yeah luckily we have great communication and other ways around things.

Shellbot

@Shellbot You moderate for a reaction channel and I need to touch grass? 💀 Let’s meet up at a basketball court and we’ll see who’s touched grass lol. I did not take it as a personal attack you moron, I replied to you overly sensitive mods who are telling me to take down a simple comment with no valid explanation. There’s no damn borderline expectation, I didn’t even include part of the scene that actually reveals more than what I said.

Daniel

My guy you need to touch grass. Your comment was borderline setting up expectations so was asked to be removed to be on the safe side. For whatever reason you took this as a personal attack and have since doubled down and made yourself look a right dick.

Shellbot

If you go back to your reaction of season 4 episode 5 at the 33:30 minute mark you will see a parallel fight between Karl Tanner and Jon Snow at Craster's keep, just like Ned Stark fights Ser Arthur Dayne in this episode at minute 14:45 in this reaction episode. both are fighting the best at their craft (dual knife/dual sword), both get disarmed, both have someone save them by a stab in the back.

Nathan

@Julien You’re the clown. You still can’t explain to me why I should delete my comment as nobody else here has

Daniel

Is 6 am now guys in Sidney, they are sleeping for sure. They will sort the uncut surely.

Victor Radoi

Dragons can burn ladders. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Shellbot My comment was pointless now lmao 😂 So it went from being a spoiler to utterly pointless? You’re fucking pathetic

Daniel

Nuh, nowey tends.

Knarona

Your comment was pointless. I just watched the reaction and they did not need a single thing about that scene clarified.

Shellbot

@Joseph Thank you Joseph for your rational input, unlike the mods that fucking blew this thing way out of proportion smh. I was getting at what you are saying from the beginning, but no they just had to come in and overreact smh

Daniel

It doesn't seem S&P are willing to ban people but for the love of the old gods and the new, please have them ban this clown. Someone needs to be made an example of, and this is it. No part of this behavior is acceptable.

Julien

I don’t think the original comment would have raised any eyebrows or given anything away. But the amount of attention this comment has now received is basically confirming that there is a spoiler hidden in the comment. At this point the comment should just be deleted for safe measure no?

Joseph

Lord Umber, known as the Smalljon, who gave Rickon to Ramsay is the son of the Greatjon, the Lord from Season 1 who had his fingers bitten off by Robbs direwolf and later declared Robb King in the North.

Hayden King

@Sudden Dude shut up lol like seriously you’re really going off by me telling you to remove yourself from this convo as you have yet to provide anything beneficial to the topic at hand and it was a reply from you telling me that I was going to be removed. Just keep commenting and exposing yourself how horrible you are as a moderator 😂

Daniel

"Remove yourself form this conversation." You seem to really struggle with this concept. You are a customer and a guest here. You are not a boss, employee or manager. You don't get to tell me what to do. My job, by the owners of this platform and content, is to sort out these issues. How this could have gone is giving me time to discuss this with the other mods, rewatch the scene, and/or hash this out with us in a discord group chat. The result would have been your posts gets to stay, or S&P delete it, and things would move on. Instead you keep telling us mods what to do, tossing insults at us, and repeatedly refusing any and all requests and rules, including the ones that specifically exist to help you get the exact result that you wanted this entire time. Either things need to dial back here so we can resolve this disagreement appropriately, the post gets deleted by S&P, or S&P remove you altogether from all 3 platforms because you seem to think your above every rule, every process and every admin simply because you have a different opinion on them. Thousands of people follow the rules on YouTube and patreon just fine, including during disagreements, and some have won those disagreements. We don't have the time or interest in battling out the rules endlessly, or the appeals process, nor do S&P. The way this is going right now, the only outcome that is likely is a rather poor conclusion.

SuddenImpulse

Chaos is a ladder.

Wesley Burton

Yes but we want to minimize hinting comments about things they haven't figured out yet. Not trying to be difficult, but when they see numerous comments along these lines it makes it easy to figure things out ahead of when they naturally would. =)

SuddenImpulse

@Shellbot I’m not here to argue, you’re taking it as that because you’ve been proven wrong. It was pointless for you to even suggest for me to remove my comment as there was nothing wrong with it

Daniel

And how would you even enforce that with someone who just CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD? After watching Jon execute the last round who killed him, I really can’t imagine anyone eager to kill him for “breaking his oath” and saying his watch has ended.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Because I'm not arguing with you it's pointless.

Shellbot

@Sudden 4 different times and yet you think Korra was a better show 💀 You guys are pathetic instead of replying to me with an actual valid response for me to just take down this comment, you get overly sensitive for me calling you out for not doing so. All of this could have been avoided if you actually did your jobs properly and look at the scene in question and realize nothing I said initially warranted as a spoiler.

Daniel

Thnx for the update! ^^

JiaHailstorm

Jon got out on a technicality, he did die and his watch did end. That's why they let him go. Are you really gonna tell your lord commander who just died for the Nights Watch to stay?

Aaron

“No uncut version?” Is the new “Are we there yet? Are we there yet?” It’s not going to hurry anything along.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Sudden Remove yourself form this conversation. You still have yet to say anything related to the topic at hand lol wth

Daniel

Night gathers and now my watch begins, it shall not end until my death

Hayden King

You are very close to being removed. I am trying to work with you here and you not only are repeatedly breaking the rules after numerous requests but resorting to nothing but insults and calling us unfit. If you think people that have watched Avatar 4+ times through are unfit to mod for spoilers that's interesting, but again, that concern should've been brought up to us or S&P on discord dm if you had legitimate concerns so we could make improvements.

SuddenImpulse

@Shellbot Ok? Lol you still have nothing to say after my reply to you

Daniel

Would bringing up the nights watch oath before here have been spoilers? Its why Jon had to die

Wyrx

Not sure what happened with the uncut guys but I assure you it will get uploaded as soon as possible. They aren't available just this moment to contact about this as its very early morning hours over there.

SuddenImpulse

Cant believe the Nights watch oath wasnt brought up during these eps, Jon wouldnt be able to leave without dying. Period. It just wouldnt happen NW was never going to attack the Boltons, that would have been even more betrayal of what they are about them letting in Wildlings which led to Jons death in the first place. And that *had* to happen or he would have been stuck up there. And also would have gotten them attacked by everyone in the seven kingdoms, NW does not meddle in the Kingdoms Affairs.

Wyrx

They watched house of the dragon no?

Adrian Neagoe

Delete this and review rhe posting rules please. Thank you.

SuddenImpulse

you are in for ti! season six best season!

Stannis loves grammar.

Delete this please

SuddenImpulse

Eagerly waiting

Christopher

When is the uncut reaction coming?

Dashawn Brooks

It could be time constraints more than the new editor. This version goes to YouTube. YouTube only lets them show a specific amount of footage from the show. For that reason some of these scenes may have been cut to fit more important thing. But that is exactly why I joined Patreon to see more of the reaction. We probably will get the uncut version later today.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Well I hope whatever system you have in place to guide them thru comments is in full force. It's becoming a shit show out there. Even the comment immediately above this mod's is bad.

Julien

If there is a new editor, welcome and congrats to them, and I know it will get easier and you will get better every time you do one of these. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I didn't watch the episode itself (I only watch uncut) but I wonder if the editing issues you note reflect the new editor (I have no idea if they already got one). I noticed some subtle differences in the edit of beginning discussion.

Julien

I know this sounds a little bit like beating a dead horse at this point but I do hope we get the uncut today 😬👀

Katie Thomas

I thought the same.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Yes, and my heart swells when I see this and remember when Meera and Jojen meet Bran and tell him that their father cried when he heard of Ned’s death. Those two men really had some deep history.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Yes I don’t mind them confusing things i just enjoy them getting exposure to that portion of the story

Augustine Lee

I don’t think they actually have the power to delete comments here

ken

no uncut reaction?

William

This comment section is already being riddled with hints. Where are you guys at?

Rekway

It’s wild lol they notice things on first watch that haven’t seen anyone else notice

ken

@Daniel Siegel Point taken for you, also; I liked your original post that spun this thread. There’s so many layers.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

LOL! Fair. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

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Darrell Henry

That was Howland Reed with Ned. The man who stabbed Sir Arthur Dane in the back. He is Meera’s father. Hopefully in the full uncut edition they will react to that when the three eyed raven says it to Bran. So much was edited out of this version which is understandable. I just hope we see the uncut version also. That whole scene was more confusing then it should have been, whoever was editing it left a couple important parts out, in my opinion. At least we know Spartan and Pudgey did see all of it even if it’s not in this version.

I❤️movies&tvshows

To be fair to them in the reaction, Yara and Ned *do have* the same hairstyle, it’s fair to get them mixed up at a distance without context.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Yeah, Jon is not the only survivor of encounters with WW. There are survivors of the Fist of the First Men (as lame as that was in the show) AND Hardhome in the NW. Everyone at Castle Black will have heard. They all know what's coming. But some things can be hard to wrap the mind around I guess, especially for institutionalists like Thorne. Change is hard to handle.

Julien

Of course. It's just that it would have been nice to enjoy on this nice rainy Sunday morning. I was actually all set up with two screens and coffee in hand before realizing that only the one reaction posted. Lol

Julien

is there no full version

dejam irbaj

Davos lost his son in the Battle of the Black Water, and now he’s just a father-figure to everybody—Gendry, Shireen, Jon, whoever needs a dad stand-in. <3

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Poor Ned lost his sister, his dad died, his brother died, suddenly he the second sun is Warden of the North, he had to marry his brother’s betrothed and go right back to war, his brother-figure Robert is taking over, and ALL NED WANTS in this time travel scene is to just fucking finally find his sister or what happened to her. And we the audience suffer knowing that his life only gets temporarily better, then he’s killed and his kids start suffering as badly as he did. Such a gut kick!

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Ser Arthur Dayne > Barristan > Peak Jaime > Mountain > Oberyn

TwistedMagoo

@Don’t Drink Point taken, but we don’t see everything that happens. It seems reasonable that Jon and the other Nights Watchmen who came back from Hardholme would have recounted their experiences off screen.

Daniel Siegel

Ser Arthur Dayne>Barristan>Two-Handed Jaime>Oberyn

Jared

Adrian Neagoe

Yes but when there is no pudgey happy dance, the world loses.

Augustine Lee

We saw Jon at the end of last season describing army of the dead’s big resurrection scene to Sam. I would have loved to hear him describing that to the entire Night’s Watch, giving them a visual explanation of how the army of the dead grows and how horrifying it is that the freshly slain are suddenly mindless zombie killers. He could get Ed to talk about it, too. Alliser may have been a petty asshole to Jon this whole time, but I genuinely believed he believed he was the right/just/wise/knowledgeable/experienced person when it came to the Wildlings. I really wonder if it was possible to convince him (and the others) that Jon was right by Jon communicating more and letting them ask questions and talk it through, see if they had “better ideas” and hear them out (even after the Wildlings were safely let through), you know?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

#fuckOlly

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I think since she magically lost her vision, it was believable she would magically get it back? Maybe it wasn’t a surprise?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

It’s not like they’re going to forget.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Dany’s epic crusade against slavery took a twist and now she’s the one treated as property. You can just see the motivation growing in her eyes. You said she has plot armor because she’s the only one with dragons. But what if she doesn’t survive here, and then there are three uncontrolled dragons roaming the world? Imagine that chaos.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I saw those tears in your eyes, Pudgey AND Spartan, after that Tormund hug. :) Spartan, I’m glad you weren’t wearing your Stark shirt when you said you like Lord Umber for not kissing up to Ramsey, even as he was LITERALLY betraying the Starks by giving him Rickon.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Jon had to brace himself to swing the sword and execute the traitors, but he only stared at Olly as Olly died because that the hardest death for him. Reminds me of what Jon said to Bran in S1E1 when Ned as Warden of the North was going to execute a deserter of the Night’s Watch: “Don’t look away. Father will know if you do.” I think the only thing that made Jon able to go through with executing Olly and watching is what he told Mel and Davos when she asked him what he saw when he died, and it was literally nothing. Jon’s comfort may be that there was nothingness for Olly, not suffering.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Same. I’m sure they’ll get it posted

James Woodford

How’s it a spoiler if you can easily make that assumption after what was said during that fight scene? All I did was put it more plainly for them. Bran and the old guy both said he was the best swordsman during that scene, then Ned questioned him why he was there instead of protecting Rhaegar. Ser Arthur then responded that the prince wanted him there.. Literally just put 2 & 2 together lol

Daniel

@Julian. I see what you’ve saying. But just as the wildlings could have been penned, so could Jon. His death was not necessary to depose him. And Alastair Thorne just by coincidence became the new Lord Commander— ie power grab.

Daniel Siegel

Daniel

Cersei is a horrible person (but great character), but despite that the High Sparrow not letting her attend her daughters funeral / resting in the sept was not right in my opinion. The end of the episode always hits, but Jon Snow isn’t a traitor, as he fulfilled his oath, which was to serve the nights watch until his last day. He definitely did that. Also, I can’t agree with Stannis being honourable. He chose to kill his daughter is a horrific death. The “he was led astray by the bad woman” line only goes so far with me. She didn’t force him to choose victory over his child. That was on him. The way some have no sympathy for cerseis walk of shame, is how I feel about stannis dying in such an unimportant way. I felt nothing, as I couldn’t get past that choice he made.

Victoria E (vickster5001)

Jaroslav, Good point. But liking and respecting are not the same thing.

Daniel Siegel

@Daniel, I strongly disagree re vengeance and power grab. If the wildlings came thru the gates, they can walk out thru the gates. Alliser could have requested the help of the Northern houses to drive them back out. Or to pen them in somewhere south of the wall and away from the rest of the North. Etc. And even if Jon's decision to bring in the wildlings could not be reversed or mitigated, the killing would still have been justified in their eyes, to prevent a future disastrous decision. They didn't kill Jon for the pretty reasons you note. They killed him because in their eyes, his leadership would doom everything they held dear, starting with what he just did. It was such an extraordinary betrayal of everything they stood for that they couldn't trust his leadership at all going forward.

Julien

But they are not weasels like Jason Slynt. That's why they are more likable.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Ugh this sucks. I only watch uncut.

Julien

When you pronounce the votes you are pledging your life to the Night's Watch, until death. Jon's life ended, so his watch is ended too.

Mar

Such a shame we didn't get more of the sword of the morning. It couldn't possibly fit into the show but it's sad that we didn't get to see this absolute legend more. And yes, this was during the war, right after Kings Landing fell and Aerys died. His Kingsguard were still loyal to him and to Rhaegar tho, so they fought till their last breath.

HDN

Even if the Wildlings subsequently attacked and slaughtered the Nights Watch, murdering Jon would have had no impact on that. They were already on the southern side of the wall. It was purely vengeance and a power grab.

Daniel Siegel

Burning children alive is evil. Stannis lost half his army because of it so it was foolish as well. He led the remainder to their doom. If you think ASOIF does not have a moral perspective on the varying degrees of grayness of its characters’ actions you have not been paying attention.

Daniel Siegel

think they forgot to schedule it. it's like 2am their time so probably wont be up for another 6-7 hours

engraved

I wouldn't say ''without a moral compass''. Maybe not that moral, but Alliser and Stannis had a code they worked by. Right or wrong that's not the point. I'm not sure we're even entitled to dehumanize someone just cause we think they follow the ''wrong'' cause. Who are we to go that far, deciding between people who had some kind of code (we're not talking about people who enjoyed cruelty like Ramsey for example).

HDN

Good, bad, right, wrong, everything is a matter of perpespective. If the widlings decided to attack the wall after being let in or anytime after that, Allisser and the rest of the night watch would have died so his perspective on Jon's choice is completely valid. His a man that sticks to his beliefs and that is something alot of people, including myself respect.

Haseenudeen

I did what i thought was right,and i got murdered for it - House Stark family words

JonYellowSnow

I hope the full is today to have something to watch this night

Victor Radoi

I usually agree with a lot of what Spartan has to say from a moral perspective, but in today’s episode I think he was giving out too much respect to people on the basis of their sticking to their beliefs. Stubborn commitment to the wrong cause is not dedication but fanaticism. Stannis was so blinded by his so-called destiny that he burned his own daughter alive. Lord Umbar knows about Ramsey’s flayings and other cruelties but he still allies himself to him. He betrays helpless Ricon and turns him over to a known monster. And Alistair Thorne knows about the white walkers and the coming army of the dead but he still betrays his oath and his duty by murdering his Lord Commander because of his intense hatred for the wildlings. Fanaticism without a moral compass is a vice.

Daniel Siegel

Jon would have never broken his oath and left the night’s watch. His death allows him to leave without being considered a deserter and keep his honor intact.

Cam

The nightswatch vow is to the death, and he died. So he can leave.

Philippe

full length?

Jared

Pudgey going after Spartan for his wrong predictions lmao. Don't go too far Pudgey, this show is a trap and someday you're gonna be wrong and will wanna be shown mercy

HDN

Spartan is right since Jon Died he fulfilled his duty to the nights watch

ken

i like the reaction. i enjoy the portion as it pertains to brans vision of his father's past. regarding widows in vaes dothrak, this place is technically an entire city.

Augustine Lee

Gives Aemon’s admonition to “Kill the boy” a whole new connotation doesn’t it?

Frankie Leyva

no pudgey happy dance after arya regained her vision? :(

Augustine Lee

I hope.

DrückebergerTV

Also...same...haha

Karli Mac

Still posting the uncut reaction?

David J

I literally just checked for a new reaction like 5 minutes ago. Let's gooo

EBRUH