Game of Thrones 6x2 Reaction & Review

I don’t get. Stannis deserves worse

A L

Contractually obliged hair speculation still makes me laugh

CrystalDeth

Yo book readers waited 5 years only for the show to answer the question of Jon

lotus

Lord of light i would sacrifice pudgey for this to happen - LMFAOooo Spartan 😂🤣

Chef Nourhan Malik

“Next time i have an idea like that Punch me in the face” - Tyrion Lannister That’s basically me taking to myself after i have a bad idea and recognise it 😂🥷🏼

Chef Nourhan Malik

The first time I watched GoT, the killing of Jon GUTTED ME. I think I cried for like an hour after the episode. I genuinely thought he was gone and having to wait so long for the next season almost caused me to not come back.

Danielle Vine

I get what you’re saying and you’re right. I’ve read the books a few times though and honestly won’t recommend them to anyone because we’ll never get another book from that fat toad GRRM. Really they’re already spoiled for everybody.

D.C.

Well they liked season 5 and season 6 is easily better than 5 and one of the best seasons imo

JonSnow21

Yeah, there were hints that Roose would be betrayed by his son. But there seemed to be minimal provocation and no planning. In the early seasons, you couldn't just kill the leader of one of the Seven Kingdoms on a whim and then take over. It was a huge political event. They could have at least showed Ramsay making.a deal with Lord Karstark or other Bannermen to gain support. Or he could have actually made it look like Roose was poisoned instead of stabbed in the heart.

Matthew s

Edd, Tormund and Davos... true friendship. Also free folk are my favourite people on Westeros. Not savages at all. The most noble and fair people. They will never forget what Jon did for them, in fact he died for them. True loyalty coming back to protect his body. Love them!

Fran Navarro

I never said Martin was heavily involved in season 6. Go back and read what I wrote. What I said was that Martin had quite a few chapters of Winds of Winter written and definitely had the general outline of the the major plot points mapped out before his role in the series diminished. Some of those plot points that have yet to play out (no spoilers) are obviously Martins ideas. I stand by my statement that the show runners (D&D) had plenty of Martins ideas and plot points to work with, especially in season 6. What they decided to do with them is a whole other debate.

Thomas Van Dyke

Actually we don't know how much of the remaining story GRRM had mapped out in 2013. It was said that he had a general idea of what an end would look like, and that he said what he had in mind to the showruners, that's it. It is never said that he gave them any unreleased written material, so stop saying that. They had many disagreements in 2013, and they stopped collaborating after that, GRRM shared nothing with them after that. So your original comment that Martin was heavily involved in s6 is simply false and misleading. And you said it because you're not informed enough to talk about that, that's why i replied. We don't know whether or not D&D even applied what he told them, since somewhere during s5 they started to believe that they are the masterminds behind Game of Thones's success and started to believe that they have better ideas for the future than GRRM. And judging by the season 7&8, which are completely different from Martins style, it's safe to say they didn't listen to almost any of his ideas, D&D themselves said at that point they are making the show they would like to watch. While it's true s6 isn't completely made up, most of it is though. Like i said, s6 only has a few major plot points that are form GRRM, and those are the scenes that the foundation and clues were there from the beginning, everybody knows what im talking about(can't get into them becauseof spoilers), after s6 it's pure fan fiction.

Milorad

I liked how Spartan connected Lord Bolton’s disrespect of guest rights and lack of loyalty with how he died. Because he cared so little for honor, his death became rather ignoble.

cstarklady

Hmmm. . .Has Spartan been peeking at the titles of episodes for this season?🤔😉

Amy Moquin

Yeah. I remember those reports everywhere. You couldn't even avoid them if you were trying to avoid spoilers. It sucked.

Amy Moquin

Yes! The books heavily allude that all the Stark children are wargs

Chris Aguilar

Tbf it was never really much of a surprise for people even when watching it live. Basically everyone knew Jon was coming back. It was all over the internet and how Kit was on set for all the filming of season 6. They tried to play it off as he was just on set to film his dead body but no one really bought that

George Bedrin

i was just like you guys knew it was gonna happen because there would be no reason to have the red woman return to castle black also that stare down between john and the night king would be for nothing

ramon carter

I have to disagree with your assessment of Theon from seasons one and two. He always struck me as arrogant and overly self-important. If Theon showed up at the Wall, Jon would kill him on sight for betraying Rob. No question about it.

Rachel Taylor

Its all over it

Seán

the books

SuddenImpulse

Spoiling

SuddenImpulse

Stop

SuddenImpulse

Well, we were introduced to Jon Arryn by meeting his corpse. And Hoster Tully. No one complained about that. Who really cares? They are all minor characters dying for something greater.

DrückebergerTV

Roose died just like he killed Robb. Balon died just like in the books, except the show actually shows his death. I prefer that.

DrückebergerTV

They can just spoil on Review and reaction as well.

DrückebergerTV

The Cracks in the comments get bigger and i already see that S&P are slowly influenced by that. For 6x2 it was mostly nitpicking about Balons and Rooses Death, not a big Deal. But i hope they stay true to their honest opinion until the very end.

DrückebergerTV

The only interesting conversations that this negativity inspires are happening within the hateful bubble of late throne haters. If you challenge their views about the ending they get angry or start to insult people.

DrückebergerTV

Its clear to me they start to be more critical with this season because they know their audience (who is Paying their bills once they do this fulltime) expects them to be more harsh to the show once it passed the book storyline. They are only nitpicking at this point and dont complain about the bigger picture (like most book readers do after season 3) yet. I hohe they enjoy final seasons without being too much negatively influcenced. If they know about season 6s reputation, they surely know about season 8s.

DrückebergerTV

Well at least we got to see Balon die. In the books its just a random Massage that tells robb that he Fell off the bridge and thats that.

DrückebergerTV

I think the tree gods are doing pretty darn good here, too, with Bran and the Three Eyed Raven. Clearly there’s actual power there also.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

I think a lot of animals can understand when calm or soothing humans mean no harm, as opposed to aggressive ones. Like the dire wolves can sense who their owner’s friends and enemies are, it makes sense to me that dragons as magical creatures would be able to “read” humans’ threat levels.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

You’ll get used to it (unfortunately) with House of the Dragon.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Gold. In the book it alludes to Jon warging into Ghost before he died. The insignificant manner of some deaths is all just Game of Thrones to me. Great analysis by the way. Season 6 is The GOAT.

Daryl

He's predicting and he doesn't know anything, while you're confirming something that's not happened yet. It's a major spoiler dude

HDN

spartan said quote, he “can’t wait to see son v son, bastard v bastard,” and i just said it’s gonna be interesting.

Kayla Carlyle

i just said what spartan said?

Kayla Carlyle

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Blackcaiman16

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Blackcaiman16

Spartan looks like the lord of Light has answered your prayers. Now you have to offer him the sacrifice you pledg 😁 that is sooooo funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Well Pudgey you have been jabbing my boy for so long it's about time to return the favor 😉. Jon Snow is back game on, the real GoT. May house Spartan be the Victor at the end.

IBRAHIM ALJABOR

I'm not confused at all. GRRM made it very public that he was pretty much shut out of the show after season 4. I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is that the entire story and all the major plot points were mapped out long before that point. I think there's a perception that the show runners had "zero" clue as to where the story was going after the 5th book (going into season 6) and that's simply not true. They knew where the story was headed and it was already mapped out. GRRM wanted 10 seasons to do it right. D&D felt differently. They decided to get there in their own way without GRRM's input. I wasn't trying to create some deep debate over this. I was simply pointing out that the developers had plenty of information from GRRM to work from beyond the published material.

Thomas Van Dyke

Kayla Carlyle

Thomas Van Dyke. Bro, he wasn't at all involved in the PRODUCTION after season 4, BUT he did told them major plot points for the remaining books before he left. Nobody says they were completely in the dark, from this point onward, most of the show is d&d ideas, except for few major details in s06, what's so confusing about that?

Milorad

and ya'll thought the sparrows would be the end of Cersei... hilarious...

BloodyBen

They didn't realize that trystanne knew Marcella was dead

Haseenudeen

It's common for the younger male's of family, as they are not set to inherit anything

Haseenudeen

the lord of Light is a bit of a LARRIKIN ISN'T HE? MATE,Never a truer fair dikum.

Stannis loves grammar.

Such a shame that Lord Bolton got poisoned by his ennemies 😔, we probably all would've preferred a more violent death for him. And John's back ! I'm so glad for you, the wait must've been dreadful. I know when I first watched the series I didn't even think of Melisandre bringing him back to life so it was quite hard. I also like Davos' theory about gods in this episode. I think in the GOT universe they might just be mindless sources of energy (or even maybe just straight up not exist, and the magic comes from people like Melisandre or the Targaryens/Valyriens, not gods). That would explain why there are so many different gods, yet none of them seem to really intervene or do anything, so all of them would just be the people's interpretation of magic around them.

Mathπ

Balon's death may seem random but it's actually accurate to the books. It happens in Book 3 (A Storm of Swords), and although we don't "see" it from his perspective, it's suspected by many characters that his brother, or an assassin, pushed him from the bridge on Pyke. The reason it felt so sloppy in the show was because we see him die in his first appearance on-screen since Season 3, almost as if the writers were carelessly tying up loose ends.

Benn David

Hahah shout out ser pounce!!

Gummybear

I personally love S&P’s discussions but I get what you mean. the format of reactions encourages heavy debate and speculation/theorization which can ultimately hamper the surprise of upcoming events.

Gummybear

@Julien Some comments ARE limited to specific scenes or episodes (I made one on this thread, referencing the Roose scene and Spartan's reaction to it). And so what if a scene we don't like carries on, why should that mean we don't talk about it? We are here in a reaction community, yes, and reactions are positive and negative - for us and for the reactors. Why do people post praise comments here, when there are countless other places to express that? You can’t hold such a double standard. Would you not want S and P to express any negative reactions? To be clear, I'm in agreement about talking about things to come, or even expectation setting with general comments about the quality etc. going forward. But discussing our feelings on the quality of content we literally just watched S&P react to? That's what the comment sections are for! If you have a problem with that, then you should have a problem with anyone coming on here to talk about how well Hardhome was written, or how brilliantly the Red Wedding was executed. If negative comments 'sour' feelings then positive ones sweeten them. This protectiveness is a quirk of the GoT fandom I think (because of our history, I get it). But if we look even at Avatar, S&P dropped the Painted Lady episode last week and so many people in the comments were talking about how they find it a boring episode etc. Some disagreed, but life moved on. No need for gatekeeping because S&P had watched and had their own reaction, and they seemed to enjoy it - and I give them enough credit to think that they won't have their opinion changed by some comment sections. I mean, come on.

Mzuka

Favourite part about Johns resurrection is Ghost sensing someone is happening before he even wakes up.

Valcor

Yes I love the Tyrion dragon scene aswell his story about wanting a dragon as a child was so heartbreaking and he has always loved dragons.

Valcor

Dragons definitely understand and it's been confirmed by Goerge that they are highly intelligent.

Valcor

What's the problem? Didn't see them mention any spoilers.

Valcor

I would say Roose definitely had plently of buildup with Ramsey being worried about the baby and Roose always mentioning it .

Valcor

I love the Pudgey happy dance

Valcor

Most people had the same theory of Johns resurrection as you guys. The difference is we had to wait longer to see if it was true. The actor for John literally had to tell people he was dead for the whole year and convince everyone it was true.

Valcor

I always think the greatest tragedy in the show is that Roose was poisoned by his enemies.

Nicole Herd

so many people are incorrectly commenting about Rooses death. You're all saying that Ramsay killed him but you're wrong. Roose was poisoned by their enemies.

Sean Carroll

not a great season but a few amazing episodes in my opinion

Sean Carroll

i dont understand why people feel the need to gatekeep comments. I personally love season 1-4 and will sing its praises forever, while I do enjoy season 5 a little i hate seasons 6-8, there are still a few good/great episodes left but overall its going downhill really fast. No one complains when everyone comments praise so why should it be an issue to comment disdain. People need to understand that not everything needs to be positive and negativity can inspire interesting conversations

Sean Carroll

i dont know what it is but i just cant take it seriously, Tyrions story sounds nice but hes telling it to a creature that cant understand him and most likely wants to kill him. I know lots of people love that scene but i just could never get into it

Sean Carroll

Please forgive me for going off topic of this episode. I was trying to remember that the actor who plays Jaq’n Hagar left a video message for spartan and Pudgey. They played it on their channel. I hope I am not confusing them with someone else. It just seems like this is where it was. If any of the mods might know? Some people interested in joining patreon were talking about it.

I❤️movies&tvshows

someone needs to make a meme of that Pudgey celebration dance at the end of the reaction.

Augustine Lee

@Mzuka: those discussions in the comments are never just limited to the one episode. And even if they were, episodes don't stand alone. This isn't an episodic show. Stuff you shit on in one episode will carry on. Ultimately, before people make these kinds of comments, I want them to think about why they are here paying for this reaction: Is it because you want to express or argue stuff that has been endlessly debated online for many years, stuff that you can literally express or argue in countless other places today... OR is it because you want to enjoy a reaction video by people who are new to the story and our grievances?

Julien

At this point I really dont know what will I see next. The next book of GoT or Star Citizen out of alpha. :) ( gamer reference sorry if it went over )

neutchain

Benjen was not forced to join the Night's Watch. It was his choice but we don't know exactly why. Only guesses and speculations.

HDN

Why does it seem weird Tristane would paint those for his betrothed/girl he loved? Seems like a pretty simple task to do for someone you cared for that died. Being "next in line" makes him emotionless?

J_Fley .

That and the Force. :)

neutchain

Agreed, could listen to them reading off a phone book, they'd find something to crack up on and start the banter. They are really entertaining and the chemistry is undeniable.

neutchain

You guys are awesome this has been hella fun to watch. The anticipation and hope were just beautiful. :) Thank you. Here is a funny story about this. Kit Harington ( Jon Snow ) talks about a funny encounter with a policeman regarding his fate ( whether he lived or died ) on the show. short clip: https://youtu.be/sn8ptplqQ38

neutchain

I am not that upset about Balon's death. He is a very minor character in the show. I think they should have introduced his brother before that scene though, to show the potential conflict between the brothers.

Chris C

Its really the only deity/religion(at least up to this point) that has shown itself to be more than tales.

Nick Wright

Rich people are as likely to throw spoilers as anyone else. Worst solution ever suggested dude😂 But i get it there must be a way to dial it down

HDN

Poor kid needs a fucking support system, for sure. He’s got nothing but Ser Pounce, who may be a proper little fellow but he can’t help with T’s problems.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Their discussions are the best part. Never in my lifetime did i think i would sit their and listen to 2 people talk and enjoy it more than the actual reaction lmao

HDN

I can't wait until you get to the sword of the morning.

Daniel Castro

I'm with pudgey I love finding continuity errors.

Battlebug

Season 6 is good, but you could really see the decline in the quality of the writing in terms of the progression of the story. Roose Bolton and Baylon Greyjoy were just killed out of nowhere without any buildup and Ramsay became an overpowered comic book villain.

Matthew s

Man I just love this season!

Dani

We need to find a solution for these comments. Maybe the uncut needs to be at a higher price point to try to weed out some of the commenters who like to spoil or troll everyone instead of having useful conversation. That way, S&P can read the comments on the uncut and not on the regular. Not sure how this problem could be resolved but honestly i’ve been in this community since season 1 and have only started interacting with comments for season 5 / 6 because they are my favorite. However, some of these comments really ruin the entire point of paying for a community like patreon.

Cam

I have mixed feelings about it. Take their opinion about Jaime for instance, do you suggest that the contradictions in his arc are due to the writing, or do you keep them wondering and disappointed? It's not all pros or all cons.

HDN

Yea I think in the books all of the Stark children have warging dreams, but in the show they only showed them happening to Bran

Rekway

That's very likely what will happen in the books. The ground was clearly laid out for that, with that wildling prologue in ADWD, among many other hints. More tragically, that's likely what happened with Robb as well: https://youtu.be/-AUwOIjA1v4

Julien

Their discussions are wonderful and I've never found the negative correlation you did. Jon's resurrection is the least surprising "twist" ever. A lot of people figured out long ago that Melissandre would make it happen. Nothing to do with their discussions.

Julien

I actually skip discussions for most other reactors but S&P bring up such interesting points because they are so perceptive that i LOVE hearing them talk before and after the episodes.

Cam

Waiting the whole year suckeddddd. Jon dying is where the books end, so everything else was just as shocking for book peoples

Betty Alice

the focus on ghost was interesting too because at the time one of the theories for jon's revival was that instead of mel bringing him back with the LoL was that he warged into ghost upon death. though I think that was more popular among book readers because jon doesn't warg in the show iirc

kkoe

I agree. I’m just saying if anyone here in the comments section wants to hear from the writers own mouth what GRRM told them and why they made certain decisions when writing the show; then that is available.

I❤️movies&tvshows

The Lord of Light is with us!

Alex_Skull123

I think one of the downfalls of reacting is you do sort of lose that shock value when you have to discuss before and after each episode as well as react and talk throughout. Most people just got to sit and take it all in without really thinking so much, I think there’s some benefit to that when going into a show like this. However I am appreciative we get to watch along and enjoy the ride with you guys! I’ve noticed reactors who sort of cut down on discussion time usually have more surprising reactions.

♆

That’s a useful resource, thanks! But we should also take what they say with a grain of salt— in the end the show is an interpretation, and GRRM is still in the process of shaping the story. He’s said there’s going to be divergences from the show in the books. So we have GRRM’ original intentions, the show’s interpretations of them, and eventually the final books (hopefully!). Add to that the way uncertainty is built into Martin’s storytelling. That leaves a lot of room for our own interpretations. I see ASOIF as a great mythological saga, and such sagas always come down to us with variations.

Daniel Siegel

the pain is too much 😅

CpaSpartan Pudgey

I'll bet that made you want to put on the next episode immediately.

Nick Wright

My biggest laugh yet from this channel: Spartan telling the Lord of Light ”I’ll sacrifice Pudgey!” For Jon to come back to life!

Daniel Siegel

I think it’s okay to criticize individual scenes as they happen but making generalizations about the season/writing as a whole definitely sets expectations. Don’t worry guys we can complain when it’s over! lol

Gummybear

Exactly. There are cracks forming but ppl start to overgeneralize and pretend like everything is badly written just because some things are. Davos’ actions made complete sense in this scenario given the context of what had happened and there was sufficient buildup. I think ppl lack the critical thinking skills to understand some character arcs.

Gummybear

Also Tywin Lannister (another one who was responsible for red wedding ) shot in the heart with crossbow the same they shot Rob and Kat

Abdulaziz

I know 🥲 tommen doesn’t get enough recognition for the terrible position he was thrown into when he ascended the throne. He had lost his “father” (king Robert), then his brother is murdered, he becomes king at a very young age, then his grandfather is murdered which was his only real source of counsel/guidance, his uncle and his real father both leave kings landing, his new wife is taken prisoner, his mother is taken prisoner and then publicly humiliated, his sister is then murdered and all while he powerlessly watches. He was abandoned and left alone with no one to guide or help him as a new king and as a young boy. I feel so sorry for tommen :(

Gummybear

I don’t think roose suspected that Ramsey would ever turn on him as crazy as he knew Ramsey to be (at least not in that moment). Roose was constantly taunting Ramsey with the threat that he could/would be disinherited, he wouldn’t do that so openly if he truly feared retaliation from Ramsey. In that scene he is still even reassuring him. Also, both roose and Ramsey were still waiting for confirmation on the sex of the child. I don’t think Ramsey had made his mind up to kill roose until that very moment when the sex was announced and he saw the opportunity. I think it was meant to be impulsive and rash because neither of them knew what the outcome was going to be, so there would have been no way for roose to anticipate that Ramsey would act in that moment. Belons death on the other hand was stupid and badly written.

Gummybear

I actually think that’s what made the scene that much more layered and impactful because we have seen Davos’ vehement skepticism towards the lord of light and we have also seen it erode over the last few seasons as he has watched melissandra perform “miracles” before his very eyes.. yes he distrusted her motives and guidance but now he understands that she truly believed in her prophecies and was serving her god and stannis genuinely. He condemned her use of magic when it was wrong/violent but in this case it was for a greater good. This was what it finally took for davos to put aside his misgivings with magic and unite with melissandra for a new leader they both believed in. I think it was poetic.

Gummybear

Writing for shock value is a big red flag for me. What makes the great GoT moments great isn’t the shock value, it’s the cleverly sequenced character choices that make these moments inevitable, combined with subtle execution that plays on our expectations so that we don’t see them coming.

Mzuka

Poetic justice for sure.

Mzuka

Julien I don’t think we should censor the community like that. We always talk about the writing in a positive sense and if that’s ok then this is too - as long as we’re not talking about future episodes and affecting expectations. S&P can and do make their own observations about the quality of the writing and it’s one of the key discussion points fandom are able to talk about. Writing is just shorthand for how well plot, character and theme are executed, and we discuss all these aspects every episode.

Mzuka

I think it’s fair when discussing episodes that have passed. Even S&P discuss the writing - usually in praise - so I don’t think it’s right to say we can’t talk about aspects of it we don’t like. In this very episode Spartan talked about he didn’t like the writing of Roose’s death. Why shouldn’t the community be allowed to discuss it?

Mzuka

I think the roose murder was well earned and sufficiently built up but balon’s definitely felt tropey and cheap. It’s sad to see them start to see the cracks 🥲

Gummybear

I get that his involvement diminished. He actually wrote some episodes for the first few seasons as well. He used to be a screen writer after all. Season 5 came out in 2015. GRRM released Dance of Dragons (his last book actually released in 2011). While we will never know how much of the material from book 6/7 was shared with D&D, it's very hard for me to believe that the major plot points and where he was going with the story wasn't shared with them when he was heavily involved the first 4 years. I guess what I'm trying to get across is that it's not like D&D where completely in the dark and just made everything up after season 5. That makes no sense at all.

Thomas Van Dyke

That's completely wrong, why do people talk about things that they dont know anything about? GRRM left the show completely after season 4.

Milorad

“Lord of light, accept this sacrifice… and please bring back Stannis also…”

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Munir, too true, thanks for that, reminded me that I should just keep scrolling.

Ashleep

These comment sections are just going to keep devolving at an even faster pace into piles of shit. I would seriously recommend S&P not read them.

William

Or even sadism. Ramsay would have known how his father killed the last ruler of Winterfell, and might have been intentional about this. And now he’s a kinslayer, which is just about the only thing that was missing on the long list of ways Ramsay is The Worst.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

You have a point, but you're essentially asking people to stop complaining which will never happen. If it's bad now, we can only imagine. Winter is coming for these comment sections...

Munir

Same here. I thought it was pretty obvious when Mel rolled up right before Jon was stabbed. I never felt true suspense, just impatience.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

The show may deserve its criticisms but the reactors do not deserve to have their reactions get skewed and have a predisposition on something they haven’t seen.

Jenny Tolls

Spartan channeling his inner Stannis

Munir

Nah. It deserves it.

Jaroslav Dočekal

Yup. That’s the exact reason Jon turned down Stannis when Stannis offered to make him Lord Stark of Winterfell, Warden of the North, if Jon helped him fight the Boltons—Jon preferred honoring his vows and staying at the wall, away from the affairs of the rest of the realm.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

George left the show after season 4

Adrian Neagoe

disagree, but whatever, idc. I think its still an weak scene and Im not going to change my mind on it

Ietseatapples

If you think about it from Davos’s POV, he literally just lost everything. His king and “step-daughter” are dead. And now his only ally in the nights watch was murdered. He knows the red woman can do some miraculous stuff. IMO, he has two choices: go back home and avoid all the future conflicts, or go ask the red woman for some help. I was in his shoes, I would probably ask the same thing.

TallTyrionLannister

Anyone here watching this reaction who wants a definitive answer to how much was given to the writers can watch inside the episodes on YouTube. It’s produced by HBO. It has no spoilers. The writers themselves explain every detail of each episode including what GRRm gave them. There is an inside the episode for every episode on YouTube. The actors also explain the episode.

I❤️movies&tvshows

I wish people would stop pointing out cracks in the writing. What purpose does this serve if our goal is to watch genuine reactions unsoured by complaints? Stuff like this just objectively dims the new viewer’s’ enthusiasm. Why would you want this?

Julien

That’s really the icing on this story cake. :)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Jon would be the first to tell you he’s not a Stark, he’s a bastard. ;)

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Delete this

TallTyrionLannister

Have you read the books? Davos had a lot of exposure to the red priest shenanigans through his service to Stannis, it's pretty visceral in the chapters. He's also become a big fan/encourager of Jon on the show more recently through their time together at the wall, and he's notoriously a good judge of character, it's like his superpower. I know lots of people seem to think the writing gets weak here but a lot of those arguments seem just as cobbled together.

Ashleep

Oooooh, that’s poetic! I like that. She had to be punished, and the punishment fit the “crime” (rot in hell, Meryl Trant).

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Tyrion and the dragons is one of my favorite scenes in this series. And though I don’t know if it was intentional/canon, Pudgey, I get what you mean about it being like Daemon singing—Tyrion was almost lulling them into a calm state with his gentle story about wanting a dragon. I can’t think of anyone else talking directly to these dragons except for their mother.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

One of my favorite stories Kit told on the night show

I❤️movies&tvshows

I’m going to need a wellness check on Pudgey!

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

@Julien - I do kind of agree with this, and I was considering to post my comment or not because of it. I tried to focus very specifically on this scene which they have already reacted to, and not make any comment that may impact expectations going forward. I wouldn't want the comments here to just be people talking about the show in a negative way. I think most of us are here because we genuinely love the show, even if it isn't perfect.

James K

a "voice of reason" would not just randomly come up with the idea of necromancy out of nowhere... especially for a character hes had 3 scenes with and has no reason to care about.

Ietseatapples

Ietseatapples

“Lord of Light, I will sacrifice Pudgey for this” cracked me up 😂

Zakaria Ya

She also may have been blinded because she stabbed Meryn Trant in the eyes.

Elizabeth D.

And the cop said "On your way, Lord Commander"!

Elizabeth D.

Roose Bolton was just way more strategic then Ramsey would be. For example he arranged a marriage to Sansa Stark because he knew that would legitimize their rule over the north. He knows killing the lord commander would upset a lot of people in the north. He sucked up to the Starks when he had to and only betrayed them when the chances were very much in his favor. He raped Ramseys mother and was probably still torturing and flaying people in his domain, but he did all that as discretly and secretly as possible. As he said, he made sure it would not tarnish his reputation to much. Ramsey on the contrary does not care much about such things. I think they both severly lack empathy, but while Ramsey enjoys torturing people, Roose just did not care and did it as a deterrent when it benefited him.

fritz

Its never confirmed Martin shared his Material with D&D. He told them all the major plot points for the unfinished books in 2013 and thats it. So Season 6 is as Martin influenced as Season 7 and 8.

DrückebergerTV

Martin did not had his Hand heavily in season 6. He left the show after season 4 to "focus" writing on book 6. After that he wasnt creatively involved at all.

DrückebergerTV

GRRM released leftover chapters that he had to push to WoW from ADWD. Its nothing that he intended for WoW originally.

DrückebergerTV

I love how their first thought is how awful it was for people to have to wait a year between seasons for him to come back. Imagine us book readers who waited almost 5 years for that answer

Scuba Steve

I never lost hope during the year between S5 & S6. I knew Jon would be resurrected! I have faith the books will do something similar.

Robin Lee Melendez

next time just tell them in detail what happens in future episode, might as well right

DoudiDax

Poor Tommen. Have we ever actually seen anyone in the show to date even talk to him if they were not trying to use him?

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Yeah, he was the least epic of the kings and deserved the least epic death.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

To be fair after a year and a half of stirring on it we all came to the only conclusion being him coming back to life 😂

Stryder Garvey

Davos just lost his king Stannis, you could see from Davos and Jon's interactions before that Davos respected jon as a leader. So him wanting a new leader that he can trust and follow makes sense to me. He didn't so much hate Mellisandre as a person, he hated her approach and actions that she commanded stannis to do such a torturing people by the flame and the killing of innocent people. But bringing back Jon is a good thing in his eyes. Also it's the timing and situation, Davis happened to be at the wall and of course he is gonna choose Jon's side because he knew jon was good. But I agree with the comment about him going to Mellisandre being weird.

Haseenudeen

Agreed, but I’d prefer they wait until they’re done with reaction videos for the show before they start fandom reaction videos.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Davos is the voice of reason. Of course he cares, he knows how important Jon is to the cause, regardless of a personal relationship. He also knows exactly who Melisandre is and what she is capable of. Jon was dead, not much you can do after that. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. I would even go as far as to say, Davos asking Melisandre for help mirrors Jon asking the wildlings for help. Both had risks, and both had consequences.

Demo

But the shock value of Ramsey killing Roose in that moment was fantastic. I think the “decision” was made a long time ago for Ramsey to kill his dad, he was just waiting for the moment when his father would be less useful and more of a threat. Ramsey probably decided the moment he was Roose’s heir that he’d skip in line the moment his father was no longer his benefactor. In an odd way, he also unthinkingly avenged his mother by killing her rapist. Of course, he’s already an assailant himself, so little comfort there.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

It’s one of the many examples of obviously worsening writing since season 5. BUT: do we really want to be pointing this stuff out here and potentially souring their reactions? We are here for blind reactions from newbies, not reactions colored by negative observations of jaded viewers. We here all know the consensus on later seasons. Why not let them enjoy it for themselves? Doesn’t that make for better reactions? Isn’t that better for all of us?

Julien

At the time, I was pretty frustrated that Roose was killed by Ramsay so easily. Roose was no fool, he knows his son is a monster and that he has another son on the way. I felt like the Roose we knew up to that point would’ve been more prepared for the threat from Ramsay. It seemed cheap to me. I remember feeling exactly the same way as you guys about Balon’s death. It just seemed kind of silly and random. Tbf, Balon was a pretty lame “king” so it’s ok but yeah, it was a dumb death for GoT.

Shay

"The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria’s head will appease her, but it is a start, along with your neices. Your son cannot stay in King’s Landing. I am sending him back on the same ship."

HDN

This plot line was just poor writing but i can explain it briefly: So Jaime and Myrcella left Dorne on a ship, and Trystan was with them, leaving for the capital as was the deal. Ellaria had arranged to kill Myrcella and sent 2 of the daughters to kill Trystan. Myrcella died and, when they arrived to King's Landing, Jaime chose to keep Trystan in the ship to protect him from Cersei's anger and revenge cause he knew he was innocent. This is where Trystan drew the eye rocks and got killed. There's a letter Jaime sent to prince Doran explaining all this. It's the letter he received right before Ellaria killed him. I'm gonna post it in a reply.

HDN

I agree Arya was blinded as punishment. She not only didn’t kill her target (“the thin man”), she stole a face (when she was told she wasn’t ready) to assassinate someone from Arya Stark’s list. That’s the opposite of being No One, and hiiiiiiighly disrespectful to their religion. Complete betrayal of trust there, and her punishment was consistent with the recent show theme of atonement (site note: Theon and The Red Woman were also in atonement mode this episode).

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

Yeah, I completely agree!

FullMetal B

I assumed Trystane painted the eyes for Marcella’s funeral stones out of grief. He spent a few years gazing into those eyes, waxing poetic to her in the water gardens, and right when they were about to be married, she was murdered. I think painting the stones himself of eyes he knew so well was the last loving act he could perform for her and honor her.

Don’tDrinkTheLuminol

100% agree, especially on Davos and his distrust of magic. He’s also never seen her or anyone perform this feat before, so it’s pretty random that he suggests it. They should have written some of the Brotherhood into season 5 and had one of them stick around, or at least tell stories of Lord Beric. Or maybe had them run into Stannis and Davos on the way to Winterfell.

Mzuka

I’m assuming you’re not counting Rickon 😂

Mzuka

Does anyone else feel that it was really clunky and out of character the way the writers used Davos' character to suggest that Jon could be brought back from the dead? He didn't even know Jon that well, so why does he care so much? And Davos hated Melisandre's influence on Stannis and was the person most distrustful of Melisandre and her magic up until now, but he is suddenly the guy suggesting she bring back the dead? But Jon's back! and that's the important thing I guess.

James K

The only issue with your guys prediction that Jon would fight Ramsay is that being in the Nights Watch means you can’t take place in battles of the seven kingdoms. They are supposed to defend the wall, so fighting Ramsay would go against his vows of Jon is a member of the nights watch

Sean van Hengel

Jon Snow is my least favourite Stark but now hopefully he can help look after Sansa.

Martin Robertson

Season 6 of GOT is my favorite and Book 3 of ATLA is my favorite! I love how both of them have perfectly synced up with one another. I find myself checking my emails constantly for the next upload. Can’t wait to see your guy’s reaction to what’s to come!

Destinee Yang

I remember seeing a petition group on Facebook regarding "Bring back Jon Snow or we Riot" ... hahaha! but man o man, the wait was brutal!

Blackfyre

Ramsey Killed Roose the same way Roose killed Rob!! Coincidence? or Karma?

Phillip

Exactly!! People forget that GRRM had his hand in season 6 very heavily since it was so soon after the books finished. It was only till after 6 that he started helping less and less.

Demo

Fun fact, Kit Harrington (Jon) got out of a speeding ticket by telling a police officer Jons fate, when the officer asked if he was dead or alive lol

Demo

I enjoyed the callbacks in this episode. 1. Roose Bolton died in the same way that he killed Rob (Ramsay hugged him first to check if he had any armor on). 2. When training Benjin, Ned says the exact same line that Jon said to Olly. 3. When Thoros brought back Dondarrion, he said that he had no faith, he just prayed because he wanted his friend back. We see a similar situation where Mellisandre has lost her faith in the Lord of light, but Jon is back

Haseenudeen

That wait was miserable. I can still remember it. When I saw Ghost wake up like that I knew Jon was back!

Demo

Oslo

Honestly. You really had to be there !

kelly

I have to agree with Spartan that the writing of the murders in this episode was clunky/poorly executed. I think the feeling with Roose in particular was that it was particularly abrupt, usually a decision like that would take time.

Mzuka

And Game of Thrones the Musical!

Elizabeth D.

Keep in mind that book readers were waiting since 2011 to see what happens to Jon. He died at the end of A Dance With Dragons which released in 2011.

Chris Aguilar

The Melisandre line you all were thinking of in the intro was when Stannis choked her after he lost the blackwater. He was questioning her and she said something like "I've been fighting battles for much longer than you have."

Thurnis Haley

I've heard many times from people once this season began that it's the first season without a book to rely on. That's not really true. GRRM has been writing Winds of Winter and concurrently the 7th book "A Dream of Spring for years now. Many of the chapters written for the Winds of Winter got moved to A Dream of Spring because GRRM is wracking his brain trying to tie up this story. My point is that there was still lots of source material to work from for this 6th season. In fact, GRRM has released a few chapters of the 6th book for readers to enjoy. GRRM was an executive producer on this show and he made his material available for the show runners to go off of so this season isn't just completely made up by the show runners. I think it's an important distinction.

Thomas Van Dyke

Long live Jon Snow!! For context, at the time of watching the show almost everyone (at least online) believed Jon would come back. Book readers had been anticipating it for about 5 years. It was still torture though because the show went to great lengths to hide his return and the wait felt suuuper long. There were a million theory videos on YouTube. What a time.

Mzuka

Our man is back ❤️

Fran Navarro

Aaaaand... the G.O.A.T. is back!

Timo Pahde

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