Game of Thrones 2x7 Reaction and Review
Added 2022-11-19 06:17:08 +0000 UTCGame of Thrones 2x7 Reaction and Review | 'A Man without Honour'
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@SuddenImpulse030 You pretty much covered it. :) I was thinking back to a few years ago; I had moved on from the show more because of the atmosphere around it than because of the show itself. I just don't want the same to happen here. And I apologize for any suggestion that you might sway S&P's opinions.
AB-5
2022-11-24 15:34:50 +0000 UTC@Julien Yes, its more that the expectation is there for each season, when there isn't any real reason or proof to interpret that as being a patterned thing season after season at this juncture.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-21 01:31:33 +0000 UTC@Julien Since we can't moderate these comments on Patreon and have to "wait and see" if the user edits it themselves we tend to just warn S&P not to read a comment by a certain user. Consequently I told them not to read my response to Mark's comment either.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-21 01:30:13 +0000 UTC@AB-5 I am a little confused about what you mean. Could you elaborate in a non-spoilery way or if you are on our discord you could also send me a DM so I may alleviate any concern you have there. I do want to make clear that we as moderators: 1. Are not trying to shape S&P's opinions on the show. In fact some of our most rigorous moderation is in removing commentary that we feel may shape their opinion on things too much outside of their own experience with the show's content. We want them to come to their own conclusions, whether or not we agree with them. The only thing we are concerned about in that respect is that they have all the information and context that is intended by the show, at the point they are currently at, so they can make fair and proper judgements. 2. Those that have different viewpoints on this matter will not EVER be censored or "moderated" against. If we are removing opinion commentary, it is only for the purpose of spoiler/expectation setting protection for S&P. We are not going to moderate against one set of opinions, and not against another, or anything like that. We hold free speech and open discussion and debate in very high regard in our community.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-21 01:29:06 +0000 UTC@Sudden, from what I remember people at the time had high expectations for ep 9 even right after the first season. That's because after the first season, a lot of ppl realized GOT was probably following the pattern set by the Wire, another HBO show whose seasons climaxed in the penultimate episode. After ep9 of season 1, there was a lot of "wow the finale is gonna be explosive." When that didn't happen, viewers online realized that it would be a Wire type deal with finales serving more as resolution than climaxes. I remember those discussions very well.
Julien
2022-11-20 21:42:01 +0000 UTC@Mark I second what @Sudden said. Please delete that arc stuff. And what "trajectory"? This whole line of discussion is a spoiler. And people have been doing this for ages and it's difficult to address it without contributing to the issue. This post too is probably problematic so I'll delete after Mark.
Julien
2022-11-20 21:35:34 +0000 UTCGRRM says Dothrakai.
Julien
2022-11-20 21:24:31 +0000 UTCI think he killed him as a distraction for the guard.
Rey Jr
2022-11-20 21:18:54 +0000 UTC@SuddenImpulse030 See, now I'm worried, that people who may not have the same opinion won't be in good hands.
AB-5
2022-11-20 18:17:30 +0000 UTC@Mark If you could remove the arc and trajectory comments I would appreciate it. I know it is well intention but it leads to questions that will give away more than they should know at this point about the character. As for the change, while it is quite minor and fine for you to leave up in this particular instance, they said they might read the books at a later date so we try to keep book information, especially changes from the book minimal. We didn't have this rule originally, and try to minimize exceptions for consistency in moderation sake, but it resulted in so many people mentioning things from the books, especially on youtube, that they were going to be told everything about the books by the end of the show at the rate things were going, and it was just doubling the information overload and potential confusion/conflicting info for them to try and retain as well.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-20 07:42:44 +0000 UTCI really wish people hadn't spoiled the episode 9 thing for them in general. We tried to clamp down on that but too many people commented about that when our system for them reading youtube comments wasn't as refined or bulletproof and it just became impossible. Not that the show always follows that formula, as they noted in the video, plenty of big things have already happened this season. I appreciate you clarifying for them though that they tend to just be bigger episodes in general, not always episodes where something particularly bad happens. Sometimes it can be something good as well.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-20 07:32:43 +0000 UTCI feel like at some point Spartan and Pudgey should be told that the cage murder of Alton was a show-only addition. The early seasons are mostly fantastic, and they greatly nail Jaime's arc... But this always stood out as being a clear mistake. It doesn't align with Jaime's character and the trajectory he is on. Killing the Karstark guard is just survival/war. Killing an innocent distant relative for seemingly no reason just doesn't make sense. That said, season 2 is awesome and Jaime is a phenomenal character.
Mark
2022-11-20 05:11:38 +0000 UTCJust to clear things up, Episode 9 episodes are just typically BIG episodes, they aren't all necessarily traumatizing. That's just usually where either the budget goes, or where the emotional climax of the season is, sometimes both.
Pat
2022-11-20 04:49:17 +0000 UTCDon't worry about how to pronounce the names. Even George RR Martin, the author doesn't care. The late Roy Dotrice who narrated the audio of the first five books had some whacked pronunciations. Some of the Westerosi names are just twists on English names like Eddard. Others, like Valerians have very different names. Some people say Dan-air-ees, others say Dan-air-is. No one cares. Jaqen H'gar is from another culture, Lorath. Some people say Jack-en Hu-gar. Roy Dotrice says Jay-ken Hu gar. Again, it's no big deal. We all know who you mean.
Melissa Gill
2022-11-20 03:09:54 +0000 UTC@HDN Haha, yeah as far as I am aware all 3 of us mods are largely on the same page about GoT based on the discussions we have had amongst ourselves. All 3 of us have watched the show multiple times and read the book series at least once. I personally have read the book series multiple times and all the side books (Fire & Blood, Dunk & Egg, World of Ice and Fire). No worries lol. You guys are in good hands on that front. =)
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-20 03:06:54 +0000 UTC@SuddenImpulse030 ππππ I was concerned with your opinions (the mods) on this matter (you know what i'm talking about). Glad we're on the same page.
HDN
2022-11-20 03:02:25 +0000 UTCI get what you guys are saying, but Jaime didn't leave to win the war or to strengthen the Lannisters' position. He left for another reason (which is very obvious but not yet explicitly pronounced in at this point in the show, so i'm not gonna write it). This is why I talked about motives. If the survival of House Lannister was on the line, or even if he had in mind that he wants to escape in order to avoid weakening his father's position in the war, I would have understood these drastic actions he took.
HDN
2022-11-20 01:38:36 +0000 UTC@InbredCorn It's one of those wonderful D&D additions to the story....
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-20 00:13:52 +0000 UTC@Julien this is something I wish they had made a bit more blatant exposition on in the show. If you don't watch the Lore and History season 1 video, or read the book, a lot of people don't really understand why Ned told her like that.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-20 00:13:01 +0000 UTCExcept killing him was pretty unnecessary. Jaime could've just told the guy to pretend to be dead and then they both could've escaped together.
Corncobtv
2022-11-20 00:03:44 +0000 UTC@Aahaan I am a bit confused by what you mean. The fate of his brothers was worse. They simply got slaughtered. Wards/Hostages are often treated far worse in this world than the Starks treated Theon. Was he treated great? No, but he was treated a lot better than what he could have been, and what was expected by the standards of Westerosi society and culture. I also agree with the other commenter here. I understand their reaction because this is something that is common with storytelling. We as viewers are more likely to be understanding of what we could consider bad actions by those the show is depicting as the protagonists. Jaime has been squarely put in the antagonist role in the story, and so it is easier to condemn his actions. Not to say murdering your relative isn't bad in general, but as far as the attempts to escape aspect, as the other commenter said, this is war. The loser is likely going to either be in a very bad situation, or just end up dead. Jaime is in a situation where he is either going to be used for A) A trade for political hostages, which weakens his families position. B) To blackmail or weaken his own family politically or militarily, as there are things they can't do without risking his death or maiming. C) Simply going to end up getting tortured or killed by the Karstarks or others. Most people are going to be willing to do what they feel is necessary to escape a situation like that. I think everyone makes good points about Theon and S&P have also remarked on it. You can UNDERSTAND why Theon is behaving and acting this way, but that doesn't mean it isn't terrible all the same. People are willing to give him a bit more benefit of the doubt, at least up to a point, because he has been depicted in a more protagonist style role until now.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-19 23:55:28 +0000 UTCI agree with the Theon part but disagree with the Jamie part. Yes Jamie knew Robb was probably not gonna kill him. But he also knew Robb is gonna use him against his beloved family. So he did what he did to get away. And like I said. You do everything in a war in order to survive and win. Everybody kills in a war.
Rey Jr
2022-11-19 21:08:58 +0000 UTCIt is war. Do not forget that. Everybody does killing in a war.
Rey Jr
2022-11-19 21:04:27 +0000 UTCIt's more about the motives of a person and his nature. Theon wasnβt one of the Starks. He was destined to be a captive for the rest of his life, an inferior living with a family thatβs never gonna consider him as one of them, while his real family carries on and forgets about him. He was driven to become this horrible person, making mistakes and getting himself more and more in bigger troubles. The main reason is that heβs weak and a fool, unable to calculate the cost of his actions, unable to see that heβs gonna turn into a villain trying to get himself out of what he has done. But jaime is a calculated monster. He knows exactly what he wants and what he has to do. He could have saved everyone trouble and waited the negotiations to come to an end. He knew that Robb was not a madman and was not gonna kill him and put his sisters lives in danger. Instead, Jaime chose to drive everyone around him to madness, then to kill his cousin, abusing Robb's kindness of not killing his prisoners, and finally to run away. And for the sake of what? He had no excuse, it wasn't a matter of life or death. I loath Theon for what he has done, but Theon was a manipulated/pressured fool, while Jaime was himself the manipulator and the maestro of his crimes.
HDN
2022-11-19 21:01:17 +0000 UTCRemember from the lore that Ned's horror at Tywin Lannister's butchery of the Targaryen children created a rift between him and Robert that was only mended by their shared grief over Lyanna's death. Ned absolutely did not want to be party in any way to the murder of children again (technically he wasn't before, but you know Ned; his side committed those atrocities, which to him is categorically unacceptable).
Julien
2022-11-19 20:47:52 +0000 UTCAgree 100% with Rey. Are we supposed to feel bad for Theon because his father didn't hug him enough??? Yes he was a hostage - because of a ridiculous and unwinnable war started by HIS father I might add - but he was NEVER mistreated by the Starks. He was raised in a safe environment by a loving family that hoped to teach him the meaning of honor and respect - the best situation he could have hoped for. He was never a full member of the family, but Robb treated him as a brother. Theon is a man desperate for approval - from Robb, from his father, from his men - and he has betrayed his convictions at every turn just to please one or the other. He has always felt he was better than he actually is - see his interactions with Jon Snow, with Roz, with Osha, with his sister Yara (before he knew it was his sister). The clumsy beheading of Ser Rodrick is supposed to symbolize his weakness of character - that was never about the sword not being Valyrian steel!
Calu
2022-11-19 17:43:34 +0000 UTCThat is why it is called: "the madness of mercy"
Calu
2022-11-19 17:12:13 +0000 UTCAlso, remember that the sigil of House Clegane is three black dogs. So, even though Joffrey does it dismissively, it is a bit like calling Robb "the young wolf"
Calu
2022-11-19 17:10:21 +0000 UTCJaime killing that guy was so messed up :( Poor guy looked up to him
Cyan
2022-11-19 16:42:20 +0000 UTCpudgie the look of absolute confusion at the end of the episode sent me into hysterics ππ the scene with cersei and tyrion is def in my top 10 scenes of the series i loved seeing cersei open up and be vulnerable and tyrion not knowing how the fuck to comfort her
Michael Doyle
2022-11-19 16:34:43 +0000 UTCNed told Cersei because he knew that when King Robert found out, he would kill her, Jamie, and all 3 kids. It was him not wanting their lives on his head.
Ken Donato
2022-11-19 13:12:45 +0000 UTC"How can it be wrong to kill a Lannister?" - I want that on a t-shirt.
Julien
2022-11-19 11:19:49 +0000 UTCThe starks didn't treat Theon well considering he was their hostage.
Aahaan
2022-11-19 09:24:10 +0000 UTCI really adore Cersei and Tyrion scenes together. They're one of my favourite parts of season 2. The actors being such good friends in real life help them to play really well off of each other.
Lola
2022-11-19 08:13:25 +0000 UTCThe "Jaka Hakka" is always hilarious. It's a lot simpler if you break it down. The first name is "Jaqen" (pronounced exactly like it's written). The last name is "H'Ghar" (which is pronounced Hagar, or more correctly Hegar).
HDN
2022-11-19 07:41:22 +0000 UTCHell yeah, loving the reactions! If you want a trick, Jaqen H'ghar is pronounced Jack In Harr Garr, but you could just call him Jack for short hehe.
Bailey Steen
2022-11-19 07:26:27 +0000 UTCit is crazy to me that you defend Theon and always hate on the lannisters. Jamie is in a war. What do you expect him to do ? Just chill in there and wait for his death ? In contrast to Theon just being a horrible person in betraying the family that showed him love. Killing Rodrick and burning 2 Children. Still very entertaining reaction.
Rey Jr
2022-11-19 07:25:08 +0000 UTCThank you! Appreciate it.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-19 06:56:29 +0000 UTCPlease edit out that first line, we are trying to avoid comments like those as it sets expectations and can affect their reactions and experience. Sorry to nitpick, I don't like to be that guy, but we have to be consistent with everyone regarding moderation.
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-19 06:49:13 +0000 UTCLets gooooo! You guys are on a roll tonight
umu
2022-11-19 06:46:28 +0000 UTCYes, both same time
Victor Radoi
2022-11-19 06:40:40 +0000 UTCAs for the Hound, I think Joffrey's calling him 'Dog' is actually somewhat a term of endearment. He is Joffrey's sworn shield and loyal to the Lannisters but a great character.
Nick Wright
2022-11-19 06:39:26 +0000 UTCA double drop of Avatar AND GoT, you guys have been working hard!
SuddenImpulse
2022-11-19 06:35:00 +0000 UTC
