Volume 1 p211
Added 2016-05-02 17:02:35 +0000 UTCAlrighty, finally scene 10B is all done. I'll see you guys next week when I'm done with my commission break. Hope you guys have enjoyed the comic thus far!
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true, i also dont want to detract from ToE as well. Ill do that thanks^-^
Cres
2016-05-09 10:16:33 +0000 UTC@ Totodice I'll be happy to give you the idea I had for the villain and anything else you find that peeks your interest about my story, but I suggest we take this conversation someplace else to save the chat unneeded spam. I recommend that you send me a DM on Twitter @Buizel_Noises
Jetty~
2016-05-09 05:24:32 +0000 UTCThat kind of change has some interesting potential alterations to the storyline can take. How would saving his son work then? ...you dont need to answer if you don't want to though, might be something you would rather not say ^-^
Cres
2016-05-09 05:21:05 +0000 UTC@ Totodice Well I keep reading over the story and changing certain things in my story after reading something that I liked in Haychel and Sly's stories. Such as before in my story the main villain was planned to be a Zoroark trying to save his child. Now in my story after realizing that purely evil Zoroarks are awesome from reading the last few scenes of this comic I've planned the main villain to be the Zoroark brother of the Zoroark who is try to save his son. Long story short the Zoroark trying to save his son is killed by his brother and replaced using his form changing illusion abilities so that he can control the henchmen the not pure evil brother controlled.
Jetty~
2016-05-09 02:38:47 +0000 UTCWith all this planning I wonder how many volumes there are gonna be...we haven't confirmed when Volume 1 will end (2 to 4 more scenes), and he hasn't given us much info in terms of overall length. Man, this comic just gets me excited for the next 5 years of my life (Junior in HS)!
Blahman2816
2016-05-09 02:30:08 +0000 UTC@ Haychel wow, Miranda was changed a lot in design over the years o.o. But designing that every page would be a lot of work. @ Buizel: In what way? Also I try to plan ahead as well...its not as impressive as Haychel and Sly though.
Cres
2016-05-09 00:05:32 +0000 UTCDear Arceus that's a lot of thinking ahead >~< It's commendable but also unnerves me because I try to plan out my writing as far as possible but it doesn't even come anywhere near that extent of planning. It also doesn't help that when I read your comic I wanna change something in my story.
Jetty~
2016-05-08 17:02:32 +0000 UTCHaychel here. From what I know, Sly's approach is rather similar to what Totodice has mentioned, but we produce pages at a steady pace we usually think of things wayyyy farther. We just fill in details when we get to it. I believe he is thinking well into Volume 2 now in terms of some major events. We also have a loose consensus already on how the whole series will go. One example of how far we think ahead is the ship, Argo's design. I believe it was designed like a year ago. Miranda's design apparently dated even further back, in 2013: <a href="http://fav.me/d6efqee" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://fav.me/d6efqee</a>
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-08 16:19:54 +0000 UTCPK enjoyed using the characters (to the artists discretion i think) but PK wouldn't have anything to do with ToE. Also mimicking the PMD: TDS characters is fun ^-^
Cres
2016-05-08 11:36:36 +0000 UTCActually i'm also curious, How much of the story is planned ahead of time? Your not the only one Buizel Noises, I write also. At least for me, I usually have a skeleton, and know what I want to include, and write from there. If new stuff comes up or it's like "oh hey that would be cool!" or I feel something could be explained or written better then i'd consider adding it in if it wouldn't throw things off much or it could be explainable. Anyway, i kinda wanted to chip in my 2 cents also, I know you didn't ask for it, so if you just want to ignore me than that's fine. Of all things I might even be giving bad advice. But I always thought of it as, there is no truly bad approach to writing, and to do what helps you the most. With all that said, that's a question I believe Sly would need to answer. I hope he comes to answer it, i'm interested in his answer to the question :3
Cres
2016-05-08 11:30:37 +0000 UTCI have a question over something that has been bothering me. It seems your guys stories of Leon and Vagus are all already thought out and planned. Do you guys actually have it all already planned out and have an idea over what's going to happen and what will happen? It's bothering me because I'm writing my own story and I feel horribly underprepared and unplanned every time I read one of your comics.
Jetty~
2016-05-08 06:26:10 +0000 UTCCool. Props for accidentally sounding like Bidoof, yup yup.
Blahman2816
2016-05-08 02:45:21 +0000 UTCShe has no contribution to the ToE universe at all, nope.
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-08 02:39:01 +0000 UTCI thought she did some stories written by Sly a while back with Vagus/Mycaelis + her own. Am I getting this wrong? Should we stop here?
Blahman2816
2016-05-08 02:30:43 +0000 UTCShe doesn't have any contribution to the ToE universe at all.
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-08 02:00:33 +0000 UTC(so everything by PK is noncanon? should I even be looking into PK's take on the ToE universe or thinking about associating it with this story?)
Blahman2816
2016-05-08 00:18:20 +0000 UTCIt's all fine~
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-06 00:37:01 +0000 UTCOk then, thank you very much for that. I had a feeling I wasn't quite right, so thank you for clearing up the miscommunication on my part. :3 I also wanted to apologize again if I did or said anything rude. Sorry that you have to answer so many questions here on Patreon during the commission break.
Cres
2016-05-05 18:52:24 +0000 UTCThat makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
Jetty~
2016-05-05 15:55:07 +0000 UTCOat is a reference to Tao, which is the town in the PMDe era. We don't want to completely erase the characters' past, but we don't want to use Tao to the dot either, so Oat is what we have chosen to use in Tales of Elysium.
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-05 15:52:24 +0000 UTCI agree with you on all accounts. ^-^
Jetty~
2016-05-05 14:35:13 +0000 UTCWell...technically he said it was partially non-canon. Which could mean either all of it...or just certain parts. Like...the part of Vagus pulling Leon out of the water matches up with that comic and this comic...and nowhere in ToE does it mention how and when they met...other than that. So like, I want to believe Haychel on saying its non canon, and I will believe it to be so since he said so, but my issue is that that comic still fits into the storyline atm with little issue. It Talks about Tao being their home, while this talks about Elysium...which yes could break it into being non canon but...if say Tao exists, and we don't know Leon's complete past...sorry nvm. going on a rant connecting make believe dots. Things will make more sense as the story develops. That's pretty much the best way to go about it, and the most enjoyable way. All in all though, Haychel says its non canon(partially anyway) so I won't delve further into it. And I deeply apologize for anything I typed being taken as offensive or rude in any way towards the story. I don't mean for it to be.
Cres
2016-05-05 14:32:07 +0000 UTCWhat somewhat disturbs me is at the beginning and end of Now and Forever you don't see or hear any reference to the other characters, so it makes me think and wonder what happened to the others. Just the reference to Leon missing home makes me wonder why they can't go back home or what happened to their home. I'm probably overthinking it but it's a thought that kinda unnerves me. I know Haychel says that none of that is cannon to the story but I still feel that most of the other comic's story is carried over.
Jetty~
2016-05-05 14:16:11 +0000 UTCI don't blame you for getting attached. May sound weird, but for all of what Mycaelis did and how he acts...I'm genuinely worried about how him and the others are doing. More so Him though as...well he kinda got a hit order put out on him...He's strong sure, but a good surprise attack can take anyone down. Ask the Gallade (His name escapes me atm sorry).
Cres
2016-05-05 14:08:57 +0000 UTCThank for clarifying. I know I probably should read up on some of the stuff Sly has wrote of DA but I've grown such an attachment to these characters that I can't bring myself to read up on their pasts when I know is dark and depressing.
Jetty~
2016-05-05 13:24:46 +0000 UTCYou should^-^ the stories on DA tell you a lot of stuff(such as what happened to Vagus back on page 191(or 184 on SSP comics), reading Sly's DA writings can tell you a lot of extra stuff that isnt in the comics. As for NaF, Oat is where Marvin and Narda took Vagus and Mycealis when they were younger. Its where Kareena and the other kids were...basically the start of the story(please please please correct me if im wrong, I believe that was it though). I dont recall them mentioning the name of the place they were at in NaF, so if it is different then thats fine. Also yeah, treating it as non canon is fine if you like, word of God lol so that's that, but based on the time placement and large gap it has it wouldn't be to much work to do I think(I dont know the route the story will take so I can't say for sure). But overall, if its non-canon then that's that. I dont really want to refute it or anything, but it does make me wonder about the lake that Vagus pulled Leon out of.
Cres
2016-05-05 12:20:42 +0000 UTCThank you for clarifying, I was unsure so I decided to just play it safe. Also, if you don't mind elaborating, who is Tao and who is Oat? I'm sorry if I'm being naive, I still haven't brought myself to be able to read up on the story's Sly wrote on deviant art. I know they have dark pasts so I'm nervous to read up on the backstory because I'm sure it'll make me very distraught and emotional. (Curse me love for fictional characters!)
Jetty~
2016-05-05 02:19:30 +0000 UTCI prefer that 18+ work to be separated from this comic. I don't have any association with PK so you can do whatever with that artist~
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-05 02:14:16 +0000 UTCThis comic is rated Teen+, which means 15 yo or older. It is different to 18+ work, so I would prefer that it is not referenced. It is not even a fully canon work: e.g. they talked about Tao, instead of Oat in Tales of Elysium.
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-05 02:12:56 +0000 UTCI think it would be around 2 to 4 more scenes until Volume 1's end
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-05 02:07:45 +0000 UTCYeah, but they make a reference to the washing up on shore (first time) in N and F.
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 18:30:35 +0000 UTCRegardless of what had happened, I can't wait for the next scene to start! I'm guessing it'll take place on or around the Argo if there's not another scene change to back to the mysterious laboratory.
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 17:16:26 +0000 UTCMy thing? Well right now, i'm just trying to figure out how Lorenzo knew what Mycaelis looked like before even being tasked to "take care" of him by Fabius. It would mean that Lorenzo had been spying on them for some time now, but through who? I have to run a gambit of all the characters between both the comic and Sly's individual writing on DA. No major red flags have come up yet though, but I haven't had time to heavily look into it. What do you mean by the other things?
Cres
2016-05-04 16:07:46 +0000 UTCI was sadly very late to the whole thing with purpleK and the others so I only saw how it ended :( and I can understand the jealousness I can't help but feel the same. Also I'm curious now and want to know more about your thing and other things! ^-^
Jetty~
2016-05-04 16:00:19 +0000 UTC(thinking about it...he would be getting notifications about it wouldnt he? As would sly if they share the account. I hope it isn't disturbing them-_-) Yeah, but it has the 18+ label, and the non PG stuff doesn't happen for a while into the comic. But I do agree that it might be best to be careful in referencing it. Same might go to PK as well, depends really on what they search though.
Cres
2016-05-04 15:57:25 +0000 UTCI meant more the ship crashing, I don't think the shore is Elysium either, but I decided to not think about it, besides im to wrapped up in trying to figure out something else at the moment, but I won't mention it unless you want to know. :3 I've read PurpleK's stuff, and while I treat it as non-canon now, who is to say that it is or isnt? There was also Sheer and his pachirisu Rowanhardt. It's all a big universe with a lot of different artists sharing it lol. Makes me a bit jealous if i'm to be honest, but even still, its really fun to read all the different stories.
Cres
2016-05-04 15:12:30 +0000 UTC(I imagine Haychel is wondering why this particular page is getting so many comments π)
Jetty~
2016-05-04 14:59:39 +0000 UTCI think we should be careful in referencing Haychel's "other" work just incase some people here are younger and shouldn't be looking up that kind of stuff, although this comic isn't really PG in itself (Ampharos with its head decapitated in the last slide)
Jetty~
2016-05-04 14:54:20 +0000 UTCI remember it, I made a reference to it a couple pages back (but felt bad about it and apologized). But I think that that Comic takes place quite a good amount of time ahead since Leon and Vagus evolved by that point.
Cres
2016-05-04 14:50:41 +0000 UTCThey are both guys. I just mistyped.
Jetty~
2016-05-04 14:50:18 +0000 UTC(Both the writer and artist are dudes and also dating (I think don't hurt me if I'm wrong)? That's cool.)
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 14:49:05 +0000 UTCHis* ^
Jetty~
2016-05-04 14:19:40 +0000 UTCI've seen most all of her work, and even some of the PMD stuff back with purplek, but I didn't expect the shore they arrive at to be Elysium. That's kinda why I don't like to delve so deep into the details because it can ruin some surprises.
Jetty~
2016-05-04 14:18:49 +0000 UTCSee Haychel's early comic "Now and Forever"
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 14:13:25 +0000 UTCHow many scenes long, do you estimate (or know)?
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 14:10:40 +0000 UTCOh no, I'm so sorry! That was completely untinentional...I only made that connection because of something else that I read a while back in the ToE universe that I believed to be canon.
Blahman2816
2016-05-04 14:04:52 +0000 UTCSorry to hear that :c I suppose in Matthew's defense, like you said, with the cover being Leon and Vagus drifting on a broken board to a random shoreline one can make those connections to the Argo getting attacked. But something tells me that wont happen for a while, perhaps...it feels to obvious? That's just me though. Like...look at it like this, if Lorenzo is just now learning about them leaving on the ship, I doubt that Fabius and Co. will do anything immediately. While Fabius said they were becoming pressed for time, there is a lot we still don't know, and outright attacking the Argo would be very loud and very forward. So if he has it attacked, assume it will be because he has no other options left. Fabius still has options left. So right now...like you said before, best to let things go without to much questions, there are some assumptions that we can make, but we dont have enough information(even as the readers) to know how things will develop quite yet. :3
Cres
2016-05-04 09:49:56 +0000 UTCI would say scenes can be counted as Chapters. We're on Volume 1 so it's naturally going to be long.
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-04 01:30:00 +0000 UTCWow... Well I assumed part of that but I feel like I just had part of the comic spoiled for me...
Jetty~
2016-05-03 23:31:35 +0000 UTCDoes this mark the end of Chapter 1 and the start of Chapter 2, or does Chapter 2 happen after the eventual Argo crash where Vagus and Leon end up on Elysium's shores? (Ok, that may be way far off than I made it to be, but still)?
Blahman2816
2016-05-03 21:06:09 +0000 UTCI also agree whole heartedly with what Totodice said ^-^
Jetty~
2016-05-03 03:24:51 +0000 UTC@Haychel Ok so he has, so far I haven't really noticed most of them though, but I've been going back to read the previous pages to see if there are any I might notice. Even though we will have to just guess and theorize, subtle hints will be useful in figuring it out, which I suppose we will figure out more when Lorenzo and Fabius talk again. Until then though, its all just theory like you said :3 Or I am being over analytical with the writing, but I really like it so far due to how well it all flows and sounds so I'm positive Sly has it all covered, and your art for it falls into the same, like the skarmory feather sword, and other small details that add more to the writing and give more personality to the characters. So like with this, I'm inclined to believe leaving out the cut when Lorenzo talked with Fabius and then him having it in this scene is a hint to something having happened in the middle of Lorenzo impersonating Samuel to spy on Leon and Vagus and before he did so. It may not be, but if it is, that will be interesting and I can;t wait to learn what happened. If it's not, then it's not, no harm no foul, and it was just me looking to much into it xD
Cres
2016-05-03 01:31:19 +0000 UTCHaychel> Oh, haha, my apologies, it's good to know that you guys put in little hints. Also I remember seeing you say that is was Skarmory feather and I thought that was awesome and creative so I looked back and I think it was page 198 where it looked off to me, but I could just be missing something ^-^
Jetty~
2016-05-03 01:00:06 +0000 UTCTotodice> Sly has sprinkled some hints here and there in the previous pages, but I don't think we will get the full story on what happened, so we will have to theorize and guess. There will be a little more hints next scene to further confirm what has happened~
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-03 00:13:21 +0000 UTCBuizel> Were there mistakes on the sword? I thought I was quite consistent. Miranda's sword is modeled from a Skarmory's feather, so it is red on one side and grey on the other. I've also paid extra attention to keep that consistent throughout. And nope, you actually should look into the details, because Sly intended some of them~
Tales of Elysium
2016-05-03 00:03:30 +0000 UTCI would try to not delve too deep into the aspects and details like that, just let the story play out and we can all figure it out together ^-^. Some things just get missed and are added as the ideas come in and that's okay. The sword that Miranda has is red on both sides and neither if you look at how the blade curves and the handle switched sides. Keep in mind that it's one person doing the art and a separate person doing the story so it's understandable that stuff gets lost in translation or progression :p.
Jetty~
2016-05-02 22:46:47 +0000 UTCah...so he also killed Samuel. Well I suppose that's a given, but he looks roughed up. Was he dead for a long while or did he try to resist? Also Lorenzo looks quite...unhappy. EDIT* So I noticed, maybe its just that we didn't get a good view of him last time when he was with Fabius, but Lorenzo didn't have the cut last time. And since he is fully deformed back...it means he got it form something else. Was it form Miranda and them and he had just been posing as Samuel for a good while now? Or something else?
Cres
2016-05-02 18:55:54 +0000 UTC
