Chapter 218 - Undreaming Order Headquarters
Added 2024-08-02 00:37:39 +0000 UTCSiobhan
Month 8, Day 25, Wednesday 10:20 p.m.
Millennium wanted to accompany them to the headquarters of the Undreaming Order—Siobhan was deeply reluctant to call it a “church”—but Gera and her brother Lynwood insisted that the boy stay home. Their refusal to involve Miles only made Siobhan more apprehensive. ‘What am I about to walk into?’ She imagined a cabal of people staring out from the deep shadow of hooded cloaks, each carrying a pet raven in their arms and doing strange pseudo-rituals to give themselves imaginary powers. She rolled her shoulders to release the tension there. ‘It probably won’t be that bad.’
As they walked through the night streets toward the headquarters, Lynwood tried to make awkward conversation that quickly petered out, while Gera remained almost entirely silent. Siobhan grew tenser in turn, and found herself fiddling with her mother’s ring on her finger and brushing her arm against her side to feel the press of the black sapphire Conduit against her ribs. She forced herself to relax as they arrived at the building, which was a few blocks east of Lynwood Manor.
The Undreaming Order headquarters was a two-story, sturdy circular building, made of white stone that was stained brown with the signs of age and neglect. The shutters in the sparse windows had all been painted black and locked. There was no dome atop the roof, but several ceramic tubes to allow rainwater to run off the flat surface, instead.
Several enforcers and their dogs were visible along the street, some obviously on guard, but a couple seemingly just lounging around in plainclothes. Most were from the Nightmare Pack, but a couple she recognized from the Verdant Stag. None directly guarded the entrance.
Lynwood noticed the direction of her gaze. “About half are on the payroll. The rest…well, some volunteers have taken it upon themselves to start a protective roster. Giving a tribute of their time, as it were.”
“Have you had trouble with security?”
“Some,” he admitted, his amber eyes almost reflective in the light of the nearest streetlamp as he watched her warily. “Nothing that you need to be concerned about, I believe. We have handled it.”
Siobhan stepped forward and opened the front door. Only darkness waited beyond. In fact, it was a little too dark, as if something were preventing the light of the street lamps from passing the threshold. Siobhan wrapped her shadow around herself for comfort as she waved her hand through the doorway.
Lynwood stared at her inky-black hand, a midnight that stood out starkly blacker than the pseudo-darkness within. “There is a second door, just a few feet in.”
Siobhan stepped through the threshold. She stood in the darkness a moment, allowing her eyes to adjust, and soon made out the faintest glow of words a few feet above her head. Painted on the wall in a simple, elegant script: Fear neither the darkness nor the unknown.
Siobhan couldn’t help the smile of surprise that spread across her face. “I like it,” she announced, before taking two more steps forward and opening the second door, which sat directly beneath the words.
The room beyond reminded her just a little of the University’s Citadel—the main building where all of the classrooms and several labs were hosted—probably due somewhat to its shape. The walls curved around in a wide Circle with evenly spaced doors leading to five other rooms, and the ceiling was high. On the far end, a staircase lead to the second story.
Most notable, however, were the ongoing renovations.
Deidre Johnson, wearing a long black cloak with a fringe of shimmering black feathers, stood in the center of the room, supervising and directing the efforts of half a dozen workers. One side of her head was still scarred and bare, but the hair on the other side had started to grow out again, and she wore it curved over and hanging down to her other ear to freely expose the bald side. Her back was to the front doorway, so Siobhan observed unnoticed.
One worker was scrubbing with an enchanted brush that left the stone of the walls almost sparklingly white. Another was on a ladder, stringing up decorative, full length black curtains in intervals near the edge of the ceiling.
Siobhan squinted and reassessed. ‘Not curtains, but possibly tapestries, done in silver thread on velvet?’ She made out a few familiar images—ravens, and her shadow-familiar.
“Up one inch on the left,” Deidre called to the tapestry-hanger. “And make sure to pull it tight. Do you think the Raven Queen abides sloppiness?”
Where there were no tapestries, the walls sported both small recesses and directly mounted shelves, several of which displayed thematic decorations: a vase full of raven feathers; decorative glass artifacts filled with potion of moonlight sizzle that continuously circulated in a bubbling, glowing riot; a platter full of shiny, random baubles, coins, and broken jewelry; a bell jar protecting a glowing, many-petaled fungus; an empty cage made of gold filigree that had been torn and warped, as if something powerful had torn its way free from the inside.
The black-painted ceiling glittered like the night sky. It was embedded with a myriad of light crystals in the shape of varied, artistic stars that sometimes grew ornate enough to look more like snowflakes, and which seemed to have been made of moonstone rather than quarts. Altogether, the large circular room was illuminated with a soft, cool ambiance, which seemed just on the edge of being swallowed by shadow.
One of the workers had a box, from which they took a heavy gold grown covered in what looked to be rubies and diamonds. They moved to put it into one of the display alcoves.
Deidre pointed and cleared her throat loudly. “What is that?”
The worker turned, and Siobhan recognized her as Martha, who worked as a caretaker for Miles. “A donation,” Martha said.
Deidre frowned at the crown. “Is it real?”
“...Yes? But I think a thaumaturge made it, if that’s what you mean.”
“Does it do anything interesting? Any magic? Or carry some specific symbolism?”
Martha opened her mouth, then closed it again, and held out the crown to Deidre helplessly.
Deidre took it, inspected it closely, and then handed it back. “Put it in my office. We’ll sell it. It certainly can’t go on display.”
Martha accepted the crown reluctantly.
Deidre turned around and spoke loudly to the rest of the workers. “We are not interested in gold or gaudy jewels, except for the value they might provide to our flock when converted into something of real worth. Please remember, this room is meant to mimic the ideals, interests, and themes of the Raven Queen. We want luxury, beauty mixed with utility, and an aura of mystery. But definitely not gaudiness, overt opulence, or the gauche macabre. Subtlety,” Deidre emphasized.
Standing behind Siobhan in the doorway, Gera coughed gently.
Deidre’s gaze jumped to Siobhan, them slid away twice before her eyes widened and she managed to focus past the spillover effects of the divination-diverting ward. Her loud gasp drew the attention of every other person in the room, first to her, and then to Siobhan.
After a single second of stunned silence, Deidre pressed her right hand flat against the left side of her chest and gave a slight bow. “This humble acolyte welcomes you,” she said, her voice suddenly rough. She swallowed. “What should I call you, guest? Lady Naught? Or perhaps you would prefer…High Priestess? Is the Raven Queen currently observing through you?”
Siobhan closed her eyes briefly. ‘It’s not as bad as you feared,’ she reassured herself. ‘They could be doing much, much stranger things. Still, “High Priestess?” Where do they come up with this stuff?’ Internally, she sighed. ‘Well, I suppose I did set this in motion, however inadvertently. Now I must take responsibility for my actions.’ She opened her eyes and allowed her shadow to stretch out beneath her as if cast by an invisible sun, its clothes and hair swaying in a nonexistent breeze. “Identity is such a malleable thing. But I am the one you call the Raven Queen. I have no need for titles. You may call me Siobhan, if you wish.”
Deidre’s knees half-buckled as if to throw herself to the floor, but the woman caught herself with admirable alacrity and straightened. Not all of the others had as much self control, several kneeling or bowing deeply, and one woman even pressing her forehead to the floor. “My queen, you honor us with your presence.”
“Yes.”
To the side and slightly behind Siobhan, Lord Lynwood suppressed a snort, but quickly controlled himself as Gera thrust a pitiless elbow into his side.
Siobhan ignored them. “I am here to review your activities and offer…guidance.” She turned to the other workers. “And please, be at ease. My ego is not so large nor my self-confidence so low that I would enjoy obsequiousness or sycophancy.”
When several of the others didn’t seem to take the hint, Deidre lowered her head and hissed, “Get up!”
“Perhaps you could show me around and explain your efforts,” Siobhan said. It was not really a request.
“We’ll just be going, then?” Gera asked, already taking Lynwood by the arm and stepping back.
Siobhan waved her assent, and Martha and the other workers congregated into a group that watched on avidly from the far side of the room. There was enough space to provide at least the illusion of privacy.
“We’ve been holding meetings in here a few times a week,” Deidre said, waving to the space around them. “Just a few dozen people on average, nothing big. We think we’ll have enough space for a few hundred at a time, as more join.”
‘A few hundred? Out of Gilbratha’s population, which must be a few hundred thousand, at least? That doesn’t sound as bad as I was expecting. It’s a good reminder that most people have the sense to avoid danger.’
Deidre brought Siobhan to one of the doors leading off to another section of the ground floor. It opened onto a room that was shaped like a slightly curved rectangle. The space was mostly empty, except for a messy desk standing near the far wall next to several crates full of letters, packages, and random items. On the wall behind it was a chalkboard with scribbled notes to one side and a hand-drawn calendar to the other. “This is my office.” There was a faint hint of fatigue in Deidre’s voice just from looking at the apparently unfinished work. “With plenty of space to make it into a full administrative center, when that becomes necessary.”
The next door opened onto a storage room half-filled with shelves that looked like they had come from the back of a shop somewhere. “We keep any tributes and donations that would be useful, and sell the rest. Mostly it’s been stuff like food, used clothing, and old furniture. But also the decorations you saw out there, from some of your more wealthy or artistic followers. One of the members of the flock is amazing with the mending spell, and has been working to make sure nothing looks shoddy enough to embarrass you.”
“I am not easily embarrassed,” Siobhan said.
Deidre blinked at her. “But you would never give a poor gift. All of your boons are precious and rare. If we do so, it would make you look like you’re the type to hand out cheap cast-offs. Even if people know a gift or our aid isn’t directly from you, our actions will still affect your image. Even a spare pare of shoes given to a homeless man must be pristine. Don’t worry, we don’t throw away donations just because they’re not new or pretty, nor turn anyone away because they are unwashed and ignorant. We know you can see the value hidden underneath, the worth of what a person might become. We really do do our best to uphold your values.”
‘And what, exactly, are my values?’ Siobhan thought, but did not ask aloud.
The next door led to a makeshift kitchen area, with a smattering of appliances and a portable oven and cold-box that had been brought in. “One of the flock is a rather amazing cook. She comes in and makes large batches of food with whatever we have on hand, so we can have something to distribute at the meetings. You might be surprised how much of an enticement a free meal is to those who might otherwise be hesitant to visit.”
This left Siobhan even more relieved. ‘How many of “the flock” are really just poor people who want to scam a free meal out of Deidre and the others? The actual interest in the Undreaming Order might be significantly less than feared.’
The next door led to a bathroom with several cubicles. “We got hot water put in just yesterday!” Deidre announced proudly.
The final room was a healer’s station with only a few beds and, again, mostly empty space. “A healer gave us a few boxes of his almost expired stock,” Desire said, pointing to the supply cabinet. “Some potions don’t really go bad or become dangerous once they’ve expired, they just lose efficacy. We’ll keep those and throw out the rest. I already know we’re going to have a ton of demand come winter. A lot of people would rather come to us than the Verdant Stag, since we don’t require vows or repayment in coin. I think getting to choose how you repay help, and to who—to whom?” She sent a sideways glance at Siobhan, but when no help was forthcoming, continued. “In any case, people find that appealing.”
Siobhan frowned. “What exactly does your ‘help’ entail, and what of the repayment?”
Deidre turned toward the stairs on the far side of the bottom floor, smiling proudly at the group of workers whispering together as she and Siobhan passed. “The Undreaming Order was founded by several of us who you helped directly, my queen. We know that not even your time is given freely, except, perhaps, to the children you have taken under your wing?”
She looked to Siobhan, but when Siobhan raised one silent eyebrow, Deidre continued. “Debts must be repaid, but as you told Mrs. Dotts when you saved her from her attackers, perhaps not directly to you. To be honest, many of us might not even be able to repay you directly. What could we have that you would need? So we decided to help others as you had helped us. Of course, our powers aren’t as great and our time not as valuable, but that only means we need to put in more effort.”
The second floor had columns of white stone holding up the roof where below had been walls, leaving the whole area open, except for a few freestanding curtains dividing the outer area. The floor on this level was polished marble instead of wood, and held a huge Circle with the symbol of a ten-pointed star within. Beyond the boundary of the columns, several smaller Circles ringed the room.
“The building was originally built by a group of wealthy time-travel enthusiasts,” Deidre said with a wry twist of her lips. “They ended up massacring themselves in a magical accident about eight years ago. It was extremely gruesome, apparently, and word of the details spread quickly along with some rumors that the place retained traces of their magic, leaving people reluctant to buy it. Which is why the Undreaming Order was able to rent it for so cheap.”
This floor had no windows or shutters along the walls, only a single, man-hole sized piece of crystal set into the center of the roof. The ceiling had been decorated with more light-imbued moonstones, however, which illuminated the expansive area nicely.
Deidre pointed to one of the curtained areas, and they began to walk. “We argued quite a bit about how much would be enough to pay back your benevolence for sure. Saving three lives? Seven? One hundred? And of course, it’s not so easy to simply save the life of someone unjustly imprisoned and tortured. Those are hard to find, and we weren’t sure if you would want us to try to free people from the Crowns’ labor camps—”
“Definitely not,” Siobhan snapped.
Deidre’s scars flushed red and then white, but she nodded and continued walking. “Yes, well, we thought a much larger number of smaller rescues and help given to those in need could, well, add up, as it were.” She cleared her throat before drawing back a curtain to show an area filled with simple bunk beds, all empty. They continued on.
“And to those we help, all those who are not orphans, we pass along the burden. They, or their parents, must help others thrice the amount they have been helped, and so on. We can give guidance and offer opportunities for service, but the final choice of who they help and how they do so is up to them. Though we strongly suggest coming to a meeting or two so that they can get an idea of the kinds of acts you might prefer.”
The second curtained area held a single cabinet that contained only three hand-made dream-catchers. “This is where we will keep magical items that might be of some utility, but aren’t healing related. We have a few artifacts and potions, but they have all been assigned to one of the teams currently out on a mission of service.”
Siobhan frowned. It was already after eleven, which seemed rather late to be handing out bread to the homeless or whatever it was they did.
The next area was a very sad library. In fact, it might even have been more like a sad “reading nook,” as there were only two chairs and the bookcases were mostly empty.
“We are keeping both valuable and controversial texts here, as the second floor is not free to the public. So far we have some banned books on history, two magical textbooks that might be of use to someone who already had some schooling, and a few copies of the People’s Voice that Lord Stag donated.”
Siobhan reviewed the magical textbooks, but found that both were mid-level treatises on witchcraft, with a somewhat narrow focus. Something about the bare shelves made her feel hungry and on-edge. She resisted the urge to fidget, instead checking her posture from head to toe. She lifted her chin and gestured for Deidre to continue with the tour.
The next curtained area was divided into two. On one end was a station set up with a table of locks, and then over a dozen free-standing doors and window with their own locks. On the other end was a small obstacle course covered in bells, that Siobhan belatedly realized mimicked what one would encounter if climbing the side of a house, then walking along the rooftop, before climbing through a window and down a rappelling line.
“Lock-picking training, and then a bit of practice to help improve stealth and balance,” Deidre said. “Its best to gain real skill in case you can’t rely on magic. We have a few lock-picking artifacts, and some boots of silence—all assigned to the current team—but it’s not really enough to ensure safety on a mission.”
Siobhan stared for a long time, realizing that she had forgotten to ask a critical question. “What, exactly, is tonight’s mission?”
Deidre smiled wide and proudly. “We’re rescuing two children from an abusive household. We got the reports from some concerned citizens. To be honest, most of the reports and requests aren’t things we can help with. Many want to meet you, but we would never impose on your time with such. But even if the request is reasonable, and not just another plea to help someone find love or acquire riches, we don’t have the manpower or the resources. We try to direct the sick and the starving to the Verdant Stag.”
Deidre raised up a hand as if to stop Siobhan from speaking, or perhaps as if she were making some sort of pledge—fingers together, palm outward. “And, before you ask, we do make sure to do our due diligence before authorizing a mission. Children being a little too thin, well, that’s not always the guardian at fault. Being shy and skittish could be a kid who’s seen what happens in a dark alley at night and knows not to trust outsiders. But we take note of strange injuries, especially when they don’t get any treatment. And then, what sealed it in this particular case is one of the flock saw the children praying in front of a little altar they put together in a hidden spot. An altar with raven feathers.” The reverence in her voice was obvious, and she gave Siobhan a significant, heavy look.
Siobhan pressed her fingers to her forehead to suppress her sudden vertigo. ‘The Undreaming Order, acting indirectly in my name, just kidnapped a pair of children. Fuck.’ She took a deep breath, and then asked aloud, “How do you plan do deal with the repercussions?”
Deidre nodded happily, as if she had been anticipating this question. Her hand rose again, and she lifted a forefinger. “First, we’ll threaten the abusive guardian into silence.” Another finger rose. “Then, we’ll get the children the care they need and take statements and evidence we can use if the coppers try to get involved. One of our acolytes is a solicitor.” A third finger. “We will care for the children until we can place them in a safe home, ideally with one of the flock.”
There were so many holes and potential pitfalls in Deidre’s three-step plan that Siobhan didn’t even know where to start. Just as she opened her mouth to speak, the sound of the front door slamming open echoed up from below, followed by a woman’s shout.
“We’ve got an injury! Someone fetch the healer.”
Siobhan had turned, crossed the open space, and was running down the stairs before she even registered the decision to do so. Two workers had already started running to fetch a healer, and the rest stood outside the sparsely furnished healer’s station. The Undreaming Order team was already within, but both she and everyone else in the room froze when she passed through the doorway.
A teenage girl that looked vaguely familiar was holding the hands of two younger children, while an old, somewhat ragged man covered in several wounds and leaning on a crutch made of sticks and rags stood at the edges of the group.
Jackal, the Nightmare Pack enforcer that had been captured while trying to protect Millennium, was bleeding heavily from the arm, and frozen halfway into swinging onto one of the patient beds.
And finally Sharon, Oliver’s cook and eminently sweet middle-aged lady, had what looked to be a battle wand in one blood-covered hand and grease-paint covering her face so that she could easier blend into the night. She was helping Jackal onto the bed. “Ah, the Raven Queen, are you? Well, come heal this poor young man with some of your famous blood magic!”
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Comments
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JKlarinet
2024-08-12 19:26:53 +0000 UTCCan you point me to where we know what different pointed stars mean? I must have missed that.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-08 22:56:19 +0000 UTC"Ten-pointed" is actually just a mistake. I didn't stop to check my notes because I thought I remembered which was which. I'll be updating it for the final version, but, yeah, when things went wrong, a 10-pointed star could have been really...impactful. And it would make sense that they would pretend they were a time-cult instead, because that's something it's at least semi-acceptable to admit out loud. But I don't think it makes sense in the story for them to have a 10-pointed star, unfortunately. It would lead to too many implications. :( The floor is decorated with an 11-pointed star.
Azalea Ellis
2024-08-05 22:07:32 +0000 UTC@JKlarinet you aren't wrong, and I was being facetious in my own response. Legally speaking, what they did was almost certainly kidnapping. (I am not a solicitor of their kingdom, so don't actually know what would constitute kidnapping). That said, regardless of the legality, I would argue that removing children from an abusive home and providing for them is morally right. But... that is morally fraught in practice. What constitutes child abuse? How to you determine whether or not abuse occured? How do you ensure that you aren't causing additional harm to the children? How do you find good foster parents? For example, the US states that are trying to define getting medical care for a transgender child as abuse, and would try to place such a child into the care of someone who would likely emotionally abuse the child for being trans, in addition to denying them medical care, due to religious beliefs. So I'm generally *not* okay with religious organizations taking this sort of unilateral action. With the states, there's at least the courts and federal government to fall back on in cases of overreach. I'm totally with Siobhan being uncomfortable with her worshippers' actions, despite them taking steps to ensure due diligence ---and firmly believe that they should try a legal solution first. I might be okay with it if that kingdom either has no child protections in place or if the ones they have are ineffectual. I don't have that info, though. This is, however, fiction, and the Undreaming Order seems to have their hearts in the right place, at least, and as such I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and *really* hoping that those kids are saved now, and that they can find a good and legal solution to this problem, with Siobhan's help and direction.
AntiClimax she her
2024-08-03 22:02:06 +0000 UTCThe implication was that they wanted the Raven Queen to save them, but what if what they wanted was a miracle to save mommy or daddy from sickness? This is why Siobhan is unnerved: people think they know what they are seeing, but sometimes they only see what they want to see, or that fits with their bias. Dirty kid, gets hurt often, looks sad all the time; it’s a piece of evidence, but it’s not the only evidence.
JKlarinet
2024-08-03 19:53:42 +0000 UTCRight - Just after a full chapter of S. going full paranoia about leaving careless clues everywhere. Some things can’t be helped.
JKlarinet
2024-08-03 19:11:40 +0000 UTCI was going to say, is it really kidnapping if the parents are abusive and the kids are literally praying to the Raven Queen to save them?
AntiClimax she her
2024-08-02 23:13:08 +0000 UTC"some function of the number of believers, the intensity of the belief and the length of time the belief has been around - probably with different weights given to each. " Hannah I think another function might be the strength of "Will" that a believer has. Someone with a high "will" with belief of the raven queens powers would have more of an impact on the magic concept of the raven queen. We have several high "Will" powered people with some belief in the raven queen. We have the red guard Captain Aisling, Lacer, Agent Marcurio, the Agents she fought, The Pendragon Corps operatives, Titus, Kuchen, some of the professors, the coppers at the eagle tower, the high crowns court, Professor Kiernan, Tanya and the Edictum Council?. I think having the belief of higher "will" powered people would have more of an effect then the general population. I'm not saying its easy but I think in the long term it will have effects. Also by belief I don't mean worship I mean thoughts about her abilities. From chapter 175 - Titus lifted his leg and rested the ankle atop his other knee. “Thaddeus would know best, but I haven’t heard of any Aberrant with quite so varied a repertoire as she displays. What would her concept be? ‘Dark miracles?’” He laughed humorlessly. “Or something that grew more powerful the more people thought about her?” He frowned, suddenly concerned.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 22:29:01 +0000 UTCCould also lean into the raven queen mythos. If she remembers Bettys name and calls her by it. That the raven queen knows her name. Even though Betty hasn't met the raven queen. Spooky.. lol
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 22:22:32 +0000 UTCI hope you're all correct and we get more Betty. Vomitless Betty.
Stefanie
2024-08-02 21:35:19 +0000 UTCEXCUSE YOU, it's child liberation, not vigilante kidnapping...
Stefanie
2024-08-02 21:32:52 +0000 UTCI think its Betty who vomited on Sebastien when Titus Westbay was questioning her. We know she was starving and needed a job. "She comes in and makes large batches of food with whatever we have on hand, so we can have something to distribute at the meetings. You might be surprised how much of an enticement a free meal is to those who might otherwise be hesitant to visit.” This left Siobhan even more relieved. ‘How many of “the flock” are really just poor people who want to scam a free meal out of Deidre and the others?" Would make sense that the starving Betty might end up going to the raven queen order meetings to get food. From there she might have got more involved in the order. Or who knows, maybe Titus gave her a paying job to infiltrate the raven queens order so he could gather more information on the raven queen. I could see an interesting side story where Betty has to decide if her allegiances are with Sebastien who introduced her to Titus and potential changed her entire life by giving her a paying job or with the raven queen/ undreaming order. Then at some point way farther in the story she could find out the two people her allegiance is divided between are the same person.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 19:49:29 +0000 UTCLol I know. Also why I mentioned binding 1 ravens sense instead of a flock. Its been done when she used the raven to talk to her dad. My thoughts are that to rein the order in she will need to reign over them. She will have to take a more active role in guiding them at the very least. Leaving them to their own devices is not going to work imo. They’re already kidnapping and getting hurt. She may not want her own order but its too late now, she has 2 different orders now. Just like Damien she needs to give them something to do. Like she mentioned in this chapter "Where do they come up with this stuff?’ Internally, she sighed. ‘Well, I suppose I did set this in motion, however inadvertently. Now I must take responsibility for my actions.’" If she can steer them more towards being a spy network rather then a religious cult that would help with the red guard’s concerns. Thinking kind of like Sherlock Holmes Baker Street Irregulars. A group of street kids Sherlock used to find information and people. There was also that Betty girl that threw up on her when Titus Westbay was questioning her. Sebastien wanted to get her a long term job but couldn’t with Westbay following her. The familiar looking teenage girl might even be Betty. We know she was starving and desperate when she puked on Sebastien. I could see her going to the raven queen order for food since they’re giving out free meals.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 19:40:58 +0000 UTCI just want to remind you that a bunch of mages did try to create a flock of bird spies. It did not go well. Also, Siobhan does not actually want her own order. She’s trying to step in so they don’t start doing anything too crazy and bring the Red Guard down on her head. She’s trying to rein them in not reign over them 😂
Hannah
2024-08-02 19:01:54 +0000 UTCI feel like you guys are maybe simplifying the whole process. Remember, the blood Emperor ran experiments that which probably spanned an entire empire and ran for decades. The Crowns and the Red Guard have managed to successfully make people believe that blood magic is evil but they haven’t managed to corrupt the magic itself. If you have a world of millions - even billions - it seems slightly absurd that a few dozen or a couple of hundred can have such a profound impact on magic. Ideas gain weight and significance over time and repetition. We didn’t associate red with passion overnight. White wedding dresses might have come into fashion with Queen Victoria but even in my grandmother’s day it wasn’t de rigueur the way it is today. Having a unified religion would probably help - rather than everyone making up their own ideas of what the Raven Queen is capable of and stands for and is associated with - but I’m sure that people trying to cast with a raven father to protect themselves from divination will struggle much more than if they used something more conventional like a mirror. Maybe there’s a study on it. The deepening of the concept on the fabric of magic is probably some function of the number of believers, the intensity of the belief and the length of time the belief has been around - probably with different weights given to each. With her glyph she’s created a specific symbol and asked for the ability to know where it is. It’s a very small and specific ask that could probably increase in functionality if she can figure out how to add the extra features that were referred to in the scroll she found. Anyway, TL;DR I don’t think she has enough believers and she hasn’t had them long enough for them to really impact magic. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure it would have been heavily abused if magic was so easily influenced.
Hannah
2024-08-02 18:57:28 +0000 UTCWell, I’d rather get the chapters full of typos weekly than be left bereft until the book is delivered in perfect form. I don’t usually point out the typos but the idea of pared shoes made me chuckle (especially as I’m in the middle of paring down my own collection!)
Hannah
2024-08-02 18:38:47 +0000 UTCVigilante kidnapping though? That’s a cult all the way through.
JKlarinet
2024-08-02 17:59:53 +0000 UTCI don’t know, but I think it might be the girl who Sebastien helped.
JKlarinet
2024-08-02 17:58:18 +0000 UTC> The floor on this level was polished marble instead of wood, and held a huge Circle with the symbol of a ten-pointed star within. Wasn’t 11 points Time? Ten points is something different . . . These weren’t time mages, were they? It’s the former home of another cult. Darkness? Outsiders?
JKlarinet
2024-08-02 17:56:17 +0000 UTCThe problem with* uploading chapters without typos is that I feel like everyone is a little disappointed that they didn't have anything to find...
Stefanie
2024-08-02 13:41:09 +0000 UTCShe's just *nice* young blood sorcerer!
Stefanie
2024-08-02 13:40:13 +0000 UTCquarts -> quartz Heavy gold grown -> crown Spare pare -> pair
Erika
2024-08-02 10:49:18 +0000 UTCNot a typo necessarily but the section "We really do do our best to uphold your values." might read a bit better as "We really try to do our best to uphold your values." or "We really do try to do our best to uphold your values." The two do do in a row kind of felt off when I was listening to my text to speech.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 10:03:50 +0000 UTCHad another thought. Tanya Canelo would make a good first acolyte to receive the less sleep needed spell and anti divination boons from the raven queen. She is already trained in magic and can probably learn the spells. Back in chapter 189 ""She is not yours anymore. You may continue to employ her, if you wish, as long as you remember that she is mine." Stating an affiliation to Tanya might make it harder to use her for covert activity, but Tanya’s life had to be worth more than Siobhan’s convenience." Giving Tanya more abilities would help her with her "covert actives" would also tie her to the raven queen more. Also helps the raven queen keep her promise of protection to Tanya. chapter 155 "Professor Lacer "Knowledge is power, and can be that advantage in mundane and life-altering conflicts alike.” Fekten had said something similar in one of his lectures. “The greatest weapon in the battle to live a long life is knowledge,” she quoted in a murmur." Also with the less sleep spell Tanya could spend more time training her magic "will" and become a magically powerful friend, and a even more useful ally to the raven queen. Tanya would likely be very thankful I would think. Less direct protection by the raven queen and more of a path to help yourself. Kind of fits with the raven queen values mentioned in this chapter. "We know you can see the value hidden underneath, the worth of what a person might become. We really do do our best to uphold your values.” Tanya getting the less sleep needed spell. Then training her "will" more, she would become a powerful magical ally. That would fit right in with the undreaming orders idea of the the raven queens values. The idea that she sees what a person might become. Its almost a self fulfilling prophecy. The nine light filter spell would also fit with the raven queen followers to learn. From chapter 156 - "Unlike most of the options contained in this room, this spell was based on what seemed to be fairly complex physical movements. A preface by the translator noted that it required abnormally high amounts of both physical and mental control, but there were no specific thaumic requirements. The spell was called “nine-light filters” and allowed the caster to absorb sunlight to heal and repair not only the body but, more specifically, the mind. It sped up mental recovery, reduced the need for sleep, and improved mental strength, clarity, and defenses. Over the long term, it was supposedly able to reduce the chance of Will-strain....stabilizing the Will and increasing mental endurance was almost like a gift from the stars above. And beyond all of that, if she could combine this with the sleep-proxy spell, she might be able to go even longer without dreams." Sounds like the perfect spell for a group of non thaumic trained people who go by the name of "the undreaming order" to start their magic training with. Learning to absorb light like the raven queens shadow. Stabilizing "will" without having to do magic training... just some more thoughts.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 09:58:03 +0000 UTC"huge circle with the symbol of a ten-pointed star within." Feel like she should have it modified into a glowing 13 pointed star with some magic help... that's the secret order symbol she has with Damien right? "On the other end was a small obstacle course covered in bells" Feels like there might be some sneaky people she could recruit for her and Damien's secrete order. Damien and "Sebastien" can get introduced to some of these people. They could both get some training in sneaking around. The Second floor with the star can become a co-HQ for secrete order / raven queen acolyte missions. Liza and her could refine that Raven messenger spell she used back in chapter 9 to talk to her Dad in prison. Some kind of modified weaker spell version. Without the tracking part, spread out across more ravens, like the sleep spell, so it doesn't kill the ravens. Then have the "acolytes" learn to cast it together using their combined will. They could spy through the link to the ravens. From chapter 8 "Siobhan had been tested, she could channel about one hundred seventy-five thaums, which was firmly Apprentice level." So Siobhan was relatively low power when she helped Liza cast the first part of the spell. Maybe multiple "acolytes" Will power working together could learn it. Maybe they need to train their "Will" to a low level for a couple of months. Could see an easy way to tie magic "will" power training into the "religious practice" of the undreaming order. Casting it multiple times over a period of time should make it easier for them in the long run. Maybe removing the second part of the raven messenger spell from back in chapter 8 - 9. From the past chapter - "Siobhan wasn’t familiar with this sort of domination spell. "This is the hardest part. The brains of its brother for more intelligence, enough to follow your orders. The birdseed for loyalty to its master. The iron needle for the ability to find the target. The string... He will follow your commands within the length of the string."” Maybe with some normal training they could train the ravens to follow basic commands. No need for the domination part of the spell. Then use the first part of the spell to see / hear through the ravens. The acolytes then become a secret order / the raven queens spy network. More sneaky training, maybe fighting / assassinations... could be really cool branch / start of a branch of the secret organization also. I could also see the higherup "acolytes" getting access to the less sleep needed raven spell. Have it cast on the acolytes like when S' was first testing the spell on people with Liza or when their "will" becomes strong enough to cast it themselves. Would give a more true meaning to "The Undreaming Order" Maybe Siobhan could also do something like that with the sleep spell. Modify it a little to senses with a raven flock or that one special raven... Instead of sharing her fatigue to them. Maybe a reversing, instead the flock or single raven shares their senses with the caster. Down the line when the acolytes "will" gets stronger have them receive the raven queen anti-divination boon in a religious ceremony from Liza. It would be rare, either pay Liza for it every once in awhile, very limited only for "elite" acolytes, due to the high cost. Or get the procedure from Liza as payment for something in the Myrddin book. Acolytes have training to sneak around, can gather intel via raven, don't need as much sleep, can't be found via divination magic. A small group with those abilities would make a pretty bad ass spy / espionage group. Anyway just wanted to share my rambling 2 A.M. thoughts.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 08:24:44 +0000 UTCTftc!
Sæþór
2024-08-02 08:08:19 +0000 UTCI have the same theory. I posted it on past chapters. Ill copy past some of my thoughts just for discussion I think its fun. Chapter 187 my comment "Very cool. This kind of confirms that common consciousness / belief even incorrect belief in ideas has power. Sounds like the Blood emperor tried to spread his reputation in some way through experiments. With the raven queen persona / almost semi religion spreading around that should have some effects on her abilities." I had a had a comment about Myrddin at some point but I can't find it. Idea was basically the same though. Your reputation starts to spread and that increases your will power and abilities. Also there's a bunch of "raven queen" believers and though they aren't "Will" casting magic, their thoughts have some "Will" and have an effect on the magic of the world. I related it to the big spells we have seen cast in the past with multiple casters needed to enforce the spell "Will". I think having a bunch of low level "Will" belief has a very real effect on the worlds magic. Also at some point I posted about the Dog she healed. What would happen if a reputation spread that she could heal limbs, reverse aging ect. I think long term it maybe how magic abilities strengthen with reputation. Repeated use of "will" makes the magic path easier. When a bunch of people think about you a certain way their "will" may reinforce your will and your abilities. If I remember right their is a rumor the Raven queen can see and hear from the shadows / travel via shadows. Then if I remember right at some point s' is trying to sense light absorbed by the shadow. Trying to see what the light the shadow spell sees/ absorbs. If I remember right she cant quite do it but feels like she does sense something. I think long term she will develop more of the raven queens "rumored" abilities. She has shown she can feel things through her shadow in the past right? If she can feel through it why not the other senses.
Alex Diaz
2024-08-02 07:04:41 +0000 UTCpeople seemed to have caught the rest of the typos, but I haven't seen anyone else mention yet: "Desire said" -> "Deidre said"
Keid
2024-08-02 05:45:20 +0000 UTCAnyone has any idea who the teenage girl that looks vaguely familiar to Siobhan is? Also, Sharon dear, addressing the figure that's being all but worshipped by the people around you while at the literal center of their "faith" might not be the brightest idea😭 Even less so once you remember that the RQ's reputation makes her out to be at least occasionally vengeful lmao
Red_Moon
2024-08-02 05:24:48 +0000 UTCI suspect once her followers gets hold of Siobhan symbol and associates it with her it will start acting as a power amplifier.
mallix
2024-08-02 04:52:09 +0000 UTCNow we need the Raven Queen to address Sharon by name with a witty comeback... knowing her name would alarm them...Sharon was a bit rude
Jim A
2024-08-02 04:08:53 +0000 UTCQuick theory that happened to enter my mind while reading this chapter: You know how Siobhan had to go through this whole charade of chanting about herself every day for about 2 weeks to create a personalized Glyph? What if making Glyphs was more complicated/intricate than we thought? We already know that the collective understanding of a certain idea or concept can fill in the holes of a spell someone casts. We saw that with the whole autumn leaf thing. So, what if the global understanding/idea of SOMEONE can change how their Glyphs work? Everyone keeps saying that praying to The Raven Queen won't make her more powerful, or that she won't hear anyone's prayers because that's impossible. But why not? If the perception of a large group of people can manipulate how certain spells work, why can't it manipulate certain people, or in particular, the glyphs of those people. My wild theory is that Murddin (sorry, I forgot how to spell his name. I'm talking about the strongest Thaumaturge in history) allowed wild stories and false rumors about him to spread for dozens of years to gain power for not only himself, but the glyphs he created. A bit like how a god would gain power depending on the amount of followers they have.
DeathTick
2024-08-02 03:19:26 +0000 UTCThis cult is shockingly hinged. Who'da thunk?
BrilliantDawn
2024-08-02 02:28:08 +0000 UTCSome reason doesn’t really sound like Sharon, unless she’s secretly and under cover agent infiltrating bothe Dryden/verdant stag and now also the undreaming order, does she work for the crowns, the coppers?
Jordan Rogers
2024-08-02 02:24:10 +0000 UTCTypos, my nemesis!!! !#$#@ I read this chapter like 3 times before posting it... *shakes angry fist at the sky*
Azalea Ellis
2024-08-02 01:51:05 +0000 UTCThe gold grown I assume is a gold crown? Separately, I really want them to get Siobhan's symbol. I think that it will be cool. 😀
Ben Tilly
2024-08-02 01:43:59 +0000 UTCI have a feeling that this order will become much more than what Siobhan had hoped lol.
Viktor Alexia
2024-08-02 01:29:34 +0000 UTCAnother fine mess. It’s been a while since Siobhan has acted as a healer, I wonder if she’s more competent than the others at the church?
James Barclay
2024-08-02 01:27:33 +0000 UTCWhat a spot to end the chapter.
Jeremy Effinger
2024-08-02 01:23:52 +0000 UTCquarts > quartz pare > pair
Jim A
2024-08-02 01:04:39 +0000 UTCShe's definitely regretting giving her agreement right now and wondering how and when this is going to blow up in her face... And Sharon really isn't afraid of her :p
Adspartan
2024-08-02 01:03:54 +0000 UTCI really like turn of phrase.
Stefanie
2024-08-02 01:02:15 +0000 UTCSHARON!!! It's always the sweet old ladies who deliver the ass whoopings...
Stefanie
2024-08-02 01:00:48 +0000 UTCYour paired shoes have been pared. Alas! Oh what a fascinating insight into the undreaming order who are much more sensible than I expected! And the sudden appearance of Sharon! Of all people! I’m very surprised to see her there.
Hannah
2024-08-02 00:55:35 +0000 UTCI very much like it. Maybe one editing error? She refers to herself as Sebastian when she's in her native form. Don't know if that's intentional.
Robert Roy Macpherson Nice
2024-08-02 00:51:48 +0000 UTCAlso FIRST! Muahahaha
FeelingsandFoibles
2024-08-02 00:51:01 +0000 UTC"We got the reports from some some concerned citizens." >Double "some"
FeelingsandFoibles
2024-08-02 00:50:49 +0000 UTC:)
ShadyTundra
2024-08-02 00:38:23 +0000 UTCGera is once again wondering what she got herself into too Siobhan
Adspartan
2024-08-02 00:38:17 +0000 UTC