The Last of Us (Season 1 - Final)
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The cure might work but the people in the world are alr evil people most likely wouldn’t even take it and if they did they would still be cannibals or raiders the worlds alr fallen a simple vaccine would not repair it Joel did the right thing
Sllumpy
2024-08-24 14:20:42 +0000 UTCThe cure might work but the people in the world are alr evil people most wouldn’t even take it and if they did they would still be cannibals or raiders the worlds alr fallen a simple vaccine would not repair it Joel did the right thing
Sllumpy
2024-08-24 14:20:07 +0000 UTCI'm sorry, are you okay with people killing you without your consent?
Slick447
2024-07-08 18:58:32 +0000 UTClol here body here choice, this is why the world is the way it is man. She is literally the cure for the entire world possibly.
NB
2024-06-10 13:22:31 +0000 UTCWell, yeah, some people would. My point is that it's not inherently moral to do that just because it could potentially save everyone else. Sacrifice should be a voluntary act. Otherwise we might as well be tribal witch doctors
Justin M Borowski
2024-06-10 00:15:48 +0000 UTCIn the real world ngl they would sacrifice
JSM -Tac
2024-06-09 10:52:25 +0000 UTCHey guys fun fact the actor that played Ellie’s mom voices Ellie’s in the game
Jay
2024-03-26 04:35:03 +0000 UTCJoel was wrong. But I don’t care. He didn’t want to be alone anymore. He saved her life end of story.
Aaron Boone
2024-03-25 06:03:15 +0000 UTCJoel was objectively wrong. Selfishness =/= prosperity. EVERYONE knows what Ellie would have done, given the choice. Joel, Marlene, fuck them both. Marlene was going down the route Ellie would have wanted to go down at the end of the day. There's no denying that fact. Joel damned the world because he's an old fragile man with an ego the size of Alaska.
ivan
2024-03-25 05:28:58 +0000 UTCBottom line, Joel was objectively wrong. Selfishness =/= prosperity.
ivan
2024-03-25 05:25:42 +0000 UTCJoel found himself back where he was on outbreak day. He finds himself incapable of losing again. The world took Sarah from him, so he took Ellie from the world. Ellie was the one to bring him joy again after 20 years of grief and depression-he wasn’t going to destroy that.
Kaley
2024-03-22 04:16:54 +0000 UTCshe knew how violent Joel could be. granted, she didn’t know that Ellie and Joel had bonded through their journey, but still-you can tell he cares for her.
Kaley
2024-03-22 04:16:04 +0000 UTCThe age of Medical Consent is 16 - even if it’s for an emergency surgery on your body. Younger than that, it is left to a guardians control. Ellie is smart, yes, but she is 14. Neither of them are her guardian, the ONLY peaceful way to handle that issue would be to wait for two years. Let her experience more life, and then decide at 16. Marlene didn’t even tell her she was being drugged, let alone given surgery. That is morally incorrect and bankrupt- regardless of what the surgery procedure will produce. Marlene seems like a woman who would look at 5 people, all who need organ transplants to survive- and figure “Hey, I’ll kill this one healthy guy so those 5 can live.” That is the opposite of any practice of any type of medicine. Do no harm.
Joshua Coldwater
2024-03-13 02:51:54 +0000 UTCLet’s say that we follow the idea of this surgery providing a “cure”. So now we have it, a cure in 2022. In the world displayed on my screen- MAYBE 10% of the people alive would take it. Maybe. You only have to look back at our most recent Pandemic. I live in an area that was hard hit at the beginning of the pandemic, before nationwide shutdowns occurred. We would’ve killed for a vaccine, and EVERYtime a new booster comes out around 70-80% of the people in this area get that booster. It is treated like a flu shot here. Now, there are MANY states that were hit LATE by the same disease but different variants that weren’t deadly. I completely understand why they don’t feel the need for a vaccine. Is it stupid, yes. We get vaccinated for Measles, Mumps and Rubella and I haven’t seen any of those in my area either. The thing is, I respect their decision and I make sure I am vaccinated. How would this world be different? What is going to convince a “Raider” that their old lifestyle was better. What is going to convince Fedra or any of their camps to even allow a vaccine created by the fireflies into their camps, let alone their bloodstreams. People in this ^ world are fighting food, and they truly believe that they are going to allow them to inject ANYTHING into their blood. Nope. Her sacrifice would be to save Marlene’s group of people, and that is not a sacrifice that is an unneeded death.
Joshua Coldwater
2024-03-13 02:44:08 +0000 UTCI know, that's the bottom line. Joel was only thinking of what he would lose. He couldn't lose another daughter. That doesn't justify his actions or Marlene's actions.
Smellwell
2024-03-11 15:20:07 +0000 UTCI don't believe the ends justify the means. That's how great atrocities happen.
Mark
2024-03-11 00:14:59 +0000 UTCGreat reaction! I feel like Marlene didn't know how deep Joel cared for Ellie. If she knew, I think things would have been different. She wouldn't have let Joel know until after the deed was done. She may have also felt she owed Joel the truth. In her weird, twisted way, she may have thought she was doing the honorable thing... I know, as a parent, that if my daughter was in danger, there isn't an army in the world that could keep me from her.
Fireteam Joker
2024-03-10 21:21:59 +0000 UTCThey couldn’t just wait until she was old? Let her live her life. They survived this long. Pass down the data. Doctor can study and educate new doctors. Then do it.
Tripp
2024-03-10 14:36:56 +0000 UTCBtw Shoshana, your theory about why Ellie is immune is spot on. The baby placenta was still attached to the mom after she was bitten. She lied to Marlene by saying the bite happened after. So the virus was in Ellie’s system since birth and it grew with her. It was never confirmed in the game, but their were clues about it and it was a popular fan theory for many years.
imperial
2024-03-10 13:57:07 +0000 UTCThe writer of the game claims the cure "would have worked" but I think that's crap and it doesn't matter. The ends don't justify the means. Even if it would have worked it's still morally dubious to claim that you are justified in sacrificing a person's life without their consent in order to cure an infection. I personally don't think it's ok. Even if humanity is on the line, you do not have the right to sacrifice someone else's life without their permission. Marlene is very interesting because the idea is that she is basically a mother to Ellie and believes sacrificing her is the right thing to do, but she doesn't have the right to make that choice, and Joel is like a father to her and believes the opposite and it wasn't his right to make the choice either. Shoshana is on point when she said they are two sides of the same coin, in a way. If you really think about it, Sarah was "sacrificed" by the military in an attempt to save lives (regardless of whether or not they knew she was infected, when a worldwide infection event is happening they have to make snap decisions). Joel just couldn't let that happen again.
Justin M Borowski
2024-03-10 03:42:52 +0000 UTCI thought so. That’s so freaking cool
Jonseyboy 334
2024-03-09 06:07:15 +0000 UTCif marlene was smart she’d knock joel out until after the surgery was done but good thing that didn’t happen
Alex
2024-03-09 04:34:46 +0000 UTCAs someone who is vehemently against Joel's choice [ From A Layman's Standpoint ] could you you describe further what would be involved in creating a potential cure from a fungal infection in this post-apocalyptic scenario? I'm genuinely fascinated with this question because if I had biological/medical education, I might feel totally differently about this otherwise more moral/personal choice Joel faces. Great comment, got me thinking about it in a whole new way.
Sd D
2024-03-09 04:20:53 +0000 UTCGAMETIMEEEEEE
Jamarcus Cross
2024-03-09 03:01:13 +0000 UTCJoel's choice was extreamly devisive in the game and the shows audiences. It's fully understandable why he did that he did. But is 1 life worth the deaths of countless billions and the doom of humanity?
Rigs216
2024-03-09 00:50:03 +0000 UTCSay it louder! This was a great breakdown. I don’t think anyone could have said it better. I completely agree with this!
Aya
2024-03-08 23:23:02 +0000 UTCShe is Ellie in the game lol
Lindzi ODowd
2024-03-08 21:21:38 +0000 UTCSo glad she got to play Ellie’s mom in the show and Ellie in the game❤️
Claire Bonang
2024-03-08 20:58:00 +0000 UTCYep. Solid ranking.
Chris B
2024-03-08 20:23:48 +0000 UTCSuch a phenomenal episode and reaction, I can’t wait for season 2 too see what they do, wasn’t a fan of the second game but I’m excited to see it on tv
Simon
2024-03-08 19:58:58 +0000 UTCi immediately went to play both games after this show came out and nothing has ever made me feel the things TLOU Part 2 did. it quite literally changes u. im eager to see if they can pull it off in TV form, specifically Bella Ramsey, but it seems like Craig Mazin can’t miss rn so i have faith.
Hesso
2024-03-08 19:15:00 +0000 UTCEven if they had the most advanced medical equipment and doctors, Joel wouldn't care. Its not about whether or not they would succeed, it's that Joel wouldn't let go of Ellie no matter what.
Insert Opinion
2024-03-08 19:00:42 +0000 UTCSo Joel turned something that "Probably won't work" into something that definitely will never work. Which still puts him in the wrong. If you dislike Marlene, by that logic you HAVE to dislike Joel. Marlene made the choice for Ellie, then Joel made the ultimate choice for Ellie. Also, didn't Joel say "If Marlene says she can do it, she can do it." at the beginning of the show?
Smellwell
2024-03-08 18:47:34 +0000 UTCShow was great imo
Quinton
2024-03-08 18:41:41 +0000 UTCThe games and shows writers said that the story is about the good and terrible sides of Love, and what it drives us to do. Joel would doom the world to save Ellie, and Ellie would sacrifice herself to save the world.
Insert Opinion
2024-03-08 18:33:45 +0000 UTCYeah, it's a hard situation man.. because even if this so called doctor.. "still unsure if he's an actual surgeon or just a lab tech" was able to isolate and excrete the correct antigen from Ellie, he still needs a whole list of compounds like certain chemical preservatives, stabilizers, surfactants, diluents like Bacteriostatic water, which 100% they do not have 20yrs later and the list goes on.. So, if I'm Joel knowing this info and knowing they didn't give Ellie a choice.. Yeah, there's no way this is happening.
PastaDon
2024-03-08 18:20:28 +0000 UTCDefinitive episode ranking: 3 8 9 5 7 1 6 2 4 I will not be accepting any questions at this time ;-) Love your reactions, guys!
Oliver Higgs
2024-03-08 18:04:26 +0000 UTCI still think the game is better.. not to mention there’s way more infected and crazy action scenes in the game that ups the stakes. I think you guys should play it.. you will be surprised and love it and it won’t have anything season two wise in it.
Joshua Johnson
2024-03-08 18:00:53 +0000 UTCI tend to go back and forth on this. As a human trying to do the best thing for all of mankind - I know Marlene's way is the way to go. As a father, Joel's way is the way I WOULD go. We're weighing the value of the possibility of saving millions (billions if you consider later generations) of lives against the life of one girl. We spend the entire show getting close to Joel and Ellie, so we're gonna have a huge bias towards them. On the other side, in every scene we've had with Marlene, she's been waaaaay overly optimistic about things - always talking about "We'll find a way from this!". Even though she was right most of the time in the beginning, she was saying the same thing even after Joel killed all the damn fireflies. That's blind optimism - which leads me to believe this cure is not nearly in line with the actual probability it will work.
Don Britt
2024-03-08 17:54:12 +0000 UTCNow it's time for you guys to play the game.
DoomsdayDave3D
2024-03-08 17:19:53 +0000 UTCMarlene made the mistake of taking Ellies choice away and then telling Joel the truth. No mistake about it, Joel is a monster. Everyone in this world is, to some extent. And Marlene KNEW that. And, you're right, they hardly projected confidence in what they were doing to Ellie...to go for such a final option the day she arrives? Why not study her? Take samples? Talk to her about your theories...you've gone 20 frickin years...you couldn't wait 4 more to ask an adult and knowledgeable Ellie to make that sacrifice? All well and good for Marlene to say it should have been Ellies decision while she was unconscious! AFTER the decision was taken from her?? F off with that, lady. All in all...the benefit of the doubt goes to Joel for me. He was given no reason to trust anything the fireflies said and they made no attempt to change that. I'm so excited for S2...there is some serious storytelling that needs doing! 😁
Jessi
2024-03-08 16:56:15 +0000 UTC"Did he just shoot his dick off?" 😂😂 I'm gonna go watch your 21 jump street reaction again lol glad you two enjoyed the show, this was a blast!
Zac Cochrane
2024-03-08 16:39:46 +0000 UTCThe last of us show is based on the game and adapts it from the game to the show, so it’s a different vibe compared to stranger things
Theo Sebuliba
2024-03-08 16:18:43 +0000 UTCThat reaction to Marlene being killed was exactly the same as mine when I first watched it. So COLD, Joel does not muck about! 🥶
Unknown91
2024-03-08 16:03:33 +0000 UTCAshley Johnson is just amazing. So glad you got to see her acting. I never thought the show would basically be as good as the game. I really hope you guys still had fun, despite the heartbreak. The game was just flawlessly executed, so I didn't think two homeruns were possible. But the blew me away with this show.
Smellwell
2024-03-08 15:45:23 +0000 UTCWhoa! I wasn’t expecting this until tomorrow, but nice! An older version of Ellie? Funny you should say that considering that Ashley Johnson portrayed Ellie in the original game. Now here she is portraying live-action Ellie’s mom. Now regarding my thoughts about the season finale, I honestly have mixed emotions from the outcome. I get why Joel pulled Ellie out of surgery, but what if she was willing to trade her life after all? He just deprived her of that choice, and in the process he made a disservice to Tess’ sacrifice. Adding to the pile of guilt, Bella Ramsey confirmed in a behind the scenes interview about this episode that Ellie knows the truth in the back of her mind. She’s aware that Joel is lying to her about the fireflies, but she’s gonna play along for the time being. That’s gonna create tension in their dynamic going into the next season. I should remind you that Pedro Pascal has a packed schedule this year between this and his role in the Fantastic Four as the leader of the team Mister Fantastic.
Aldo Gonzales
2024-03-08 15:35:37 +0000 UTCAshley Johnson, who played Anna in the show, does the motion capture and voice of Ellie in the games as well. She’s so talented. She brought Ellie to life in the game and on the show. Fun fact: She was in the first Avengers as well, she was on the television after being saved by Captain America. So the Bella Ramsey casting was pretty amazing.
Ray H
2024-03-08 15:10:44 +0000 UTCHonestly after 20 years of zombie and human bs the cure I don't think wouldve done a damn thing and everyone always like to talk about how it wasn't a definite cure it was what they thought would work I think🤷♂️
Kieran
2024-03-08 15:07:33 +0000 UTComggg early im upp!! im so glad u guys enjoyed this series ahhhh
lily g
2024-03-08 15:06:31 +0000 UTCthat woman in the beginning is the voice actor for ellie in the video game
Brian Smith
2024-03-08 15:05:42 +0000 UTC
