Superman II (1980) - Full Reaction
Added 2024-11-19 03:40:19 +0000 UTCClark Kent is my guy!! Oh Christopher Reeve is so wonderful as Superman and Clark Kent, you cant help but love him. Lex was particularly hilarious in this and although I don't think I liked this one as much as the first, it was still a fun story and made me want to watch more!
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Just came down here to post this, V, because I don't want to embarrass the poor guy. You know you asked "David" if he was ok up on the Patreon thread? I think he's special needs, mate. He always writes like that so his head clearly doesn't work right. The picture in his avatar kind of backs that up.
Clarence Newman
2024-12-07 15:37:16 +0000 UTCIt had been a while for me too. I'd forgotten how corny the Lester version is.
Stephen Dias
2024-11-22 22:47:00 +0000 UTCHenry Cavill seems like a decent fellow but I really hate that version of Superman and those movies. Just one bad story choice after another. I don't think Superman should be a grim, "realistic" character anyway. Reeve's Superman is, no hyperbole, one of the most believable and honest characters in cinema, at least in the past few decades. Every note of his performance rings true.
Patrick Flanagan
2024-11-22 02:04:41 +0000 UTCThe Richard Pryor bits, sadly, are a real chore to get through.
Patrick Flanagan
2024-11-22 01:59:01 +0000 UTCLoved when Clark morphs into Superman just by his change of posture and demeanor. Chris really is the best Clark/Superman! In regard to The Donner cut, it has some different pivotal scenes and some are way better than this one. Much better character building and reasoning. I think it would be worth your time to watch it soon while this is still in your mind.
Pickupthepieces76
2024-11-21 22:52:46 +0000 UTCI agree, and I don't think that Soup 3 was as bad as everyone thinks. I liked the angle with Lana Lang and the introduction of "red" kryptonite.
bgb1975
2024-11-21 19:26:49 +0000 UTCYeah I didn't know you had to have a copy at first either. Kinda blows but it's very, very illegal to stream movies like that. The YouTube edit does post here earlier though. Most of the movies can be found on Prime or another streamer.
Chris Thom
2024-11-21 17:56:50 +0000 UTCBlech......watching along with Cassie was the first time I watched the theatrical cut in a long time. So sad. Donner's vision was so much stronger.
bgb1975
2024-11-21 02:06:16 +0000 UTC10000% agree with this assessment. Would totally have mentioned before if it hadn't already been. Absolutely skip Superman 3 and 4 and go straight to Returns. Really, picks up where this one left off - 5 or so years after...
Terdell Ferguson
2024-11-21 00:15:37 +0000 UTCPlease skip 3 and 4.. watch superman returns. 3 and 4 were so terrible and youvdont need them for superman returns
FBA Seller2023
2024-11-21 00:01:16 +0000 UTCCassie, I tried reading ALL the comments & replies, I might have missed it, though. The 2 biggest comic book companies are Marvel & DC, and the DC expanded Universe (aka DCEU) is the equivalent to the MCU, but with the DC heroes & villains. The 'new' Superman movie (Man of Steel, 2013) is portrayed by Henry Cavill ( and his arm gunsđ) and loud is played by Amy Adams. Superman's Earth dad is Kevin Costner!! Anyhoo, Superman, Batman, wonder woman, and many other DC heroes are in the long series of DCEU films. (Even J'onn J'onzz, the Martian Manhunter!!) An even newer Superman movie comes out next year, and was filmed here in Ohio near me!
Jon Johns
2024-11-20 23:35:53 +0000 UTCHey John, it is illegal for someone to share a film and earn money off it, that is a copyright violation with fines up to $250,000. It's made fairly clear in the patreon sign up process that you have to provide your own copy of the movie to watch along. All that being said, you can get a refund if you're unhappy. -Job
Jon Johns
2024-11-20 23:19:09 +0000 UTCI'd like to know where you are getting this information because everything I've heard was that everyone knew it was 2 movies and it wasn't an issue until the production went over budget and Donner got fired that everyone wanted more money to do reshoots (or in Brandos case wanting the same pay for 2 that he got for 1 which everyone when they signed on knew that they were in 2 movies)!
David Freese
2024-11-20 20:56:05 +0000 UTCYou need to have your own copy of the movie on at the same time and sync it to her video.
Daniel
2024-11-20 16:56:50 +0000 UTCTo quote Cassie, "I can't help it, there's fear in my heart already". đ
Joe
2024-11-20 16:38:35 +0000 UTCMan of Steel is good, skip all the rest IMO.
Joe
2024-11-20 16:33:59 +0000 UTCI cannot get the movie. Cassie's screen is very large and the movie one small - and that portion is silent and blurry. Also, within that small movie square at the beginning it says, "Sync your copy now."
JOHN W LARSON
2024-11-20 16:20:30 +0000 UTCI actually think the best live action Clark Kent is from Lois & Clark, The New Adventures of Superman. While not my favorite Superman, his Clark was a competent and capable reporter. One of the silly prat falls and fake clumsiness. But thatâs just my opinion.
Walter
2024-11-20 16:13:28 +0000 UTCYou need Superman III to add context to other movie references like with the virus from Office Space.
Clay A
2024-11-20 15:34:59 +0000 UTCYes, we can skip stuff, but there are so many different movies that so many people want Cassie to watch, it can cause a lot of stress if "sub-standard" (opinion, obviously) sequels bog the channel down in place of top-end new stuff. The sheer volume of Star Wars and Star Trek on here has caused a lot of arguments and protestations, and they can be considered GOOD examples of an ongoing franchise! A perfect example of one that probably shouldn't be completed is the Crocodile Dundee series. I absolutely LOVE Crocodile Dundee, and I've been trying to get Cassie to watch number 2 for months now - not just because I liked the first one, but because I think the sequel is just as good. Obviously I've watched number 3 as well, but there's no way I'd recommend that one for Cassie. It's a poor addition to the series and I'd rather she watch other great movies instead. For better or worse, we the goggle-eyed people will generally watch all the sequels, but that can't apply to a reaction channel like this. There just isn't enough time or room on the schedule to be a completist. As for taste in movies being subjective, you're absolutely right.....unless we're talking about Superman IV. Or Howard the Duck.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-20 14:08:58 +0000 UTCWatched âSuper/Man: The Christopher Reeve Storyâ which (obviously) covered the tragedy in great detail. I would recommend that movie documentary, it was very moving.
Darren Harrison
2024-11-20 12:21:01 +0000 UTCThe way I see it, for better or worse we watched all the sequels, so Cassie should too. While I too wouldnât mind if Cassie skipped Superman 3 and 4, I still think Cassie should watch them so she can decide for herself whether theyâre good or not. Taste in movies is subjective after all. Plus, I think it would make her appreciate Superman Returns. Besides, you can alway skip the reactions you donât want to watch. Thatâs what I do.
Luke Godfrey
2024-11-20 11:01:03 +0000 UTC@Clay. Charlie Babbit made a joke.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-20 08:34:17 +0000 UTCThat's a hot topic, Luke. With the good sequels, you're absolutely right - watch them as a series, in relatively quick succession, the way she did with the Rockys or Star Wars, and the way she's doing with Star Trek. Problem is, there are so many BAD sequels out there, so many franchises that go on and on and on, and so much debate over whether she should stop at one or two or watch all 12 or skip 3 and 6 but watch the others, it probably makes her poor little head explode. With Superman, I do think it was a mistake to wait so long, She clearly enjoyed the first one, so stick part 2 on the schedule for the following month and all will be well. Whether she should then go on to number 3.....well, there's when you get the debate.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-20 08:32:10 +0000 UTCI always thought the same about Worf and Counselor Troi on Star Trek.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-20 08:26:41 +0000 UTCHe did. Henry Cavill's beautiful Akita is named after the same Superman character (Kal for short).
Clarence Newman
2024-11-20 08:25:57 +0000 UTCPlease, skip Superman III and IV. Go straight to Superman Returns. It follows Superman II and doesnât acknowledge III or IV.
Brian Lowery
2024-11-20 08:14:56 +0000 UTCByrne's revamping of Superman was great and there's a lot about it I like, but it is certainly not definitive and there are some things that he changed from the original mythos that I've never been too crazy about (keeping Jonathan Kent alive for example). I don't begrudge anybody preferring Byrne's interpretation (anymore then I begrudge anyone preferring Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman), but I worry sometimes that they've had too much of an influence on subsequent treatments. Younger people today think that that is the "only" way that Superman or Batman can be done and that can be frustrating For those of us who appreciate the whole history of these characters and not just the last 35 years.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-20 08:04:13 +0000 UTC@Clay: 4 is even worse than 3.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-20 07:58:43 +0000 UTCThe implication is that Superman and Lois could not be intimate while he had his powers. Certain âbiological functionsâ could injure or even kill her.
Brian Lowery
2024-11-20 07:27:53 +0000 UTCShe also played Kal-El's birth mother in Smallville.
fish_thefilmcollector
2024-11-20 07:04:20 +0000 UTCNot that it makes a huge difference he's still in the movie but the president (E G. Marshall) is actually Ellen's father not Clark's.
fish_thefilmcollector
2024-11-20 06:59:28 +0000 UTCI would skip Superman 3 and go straight to Goldmember
V M
2024-11-20 06:40:49 +0000 UTCWhat about Superman IV?
Clay F
2024-11-20 04:05:25 +0000 UTCI agree. But for me, Superman is the opposite of Batman. Bruce Wayne is the act, the persona he puts on, just like Zorro. But I always saw Clark as the opposite. Superman is the persona he plays. Itâs not as sharp a contrast as Batman. Iâm thinking of John Byrneâs Superman in the 80âs. He created Superman to disguise his natural instincts to help people. It was a larger than life icon so people wouldnât realize he was Clark. But as Clark, he was the man he was raised to be - a decent, wholesome person who wanted to help people. Thatâs the Clark I like. More than the exaggerated, clumsy version.
Walter
2024-11-20 03:50:24 +0000 UTCDidn't Nick Cage name his kid Kal-El??
Shawn Kildal
2024-11-20 03:46:14 +0000 UTCGive me death and taxes
Shawn Kildal
2024-11-20 03:41:16 +0000 UTCSuperman 1 & 2 were filmed together as one movie (which is why Zod is in the beginning of "Superman", but the rest of the story is in "Superman 2"), and the actors were told by the producers that it turned out to be too long and was split into 2 parts. This was a scam by the producers to cheat the actors who were being paid SAG union rates out of paying for 2 movies. The producers had done this before with the 1973 "The Three Musketeers" and 1974 "The Four Musketeers". However, their first mistake was that they had cast the hard-ass Charlton Heston in the Musketeer movies, who was President of SAG at the time. He brought the full resources of SAG (and the other unions) to bear in a lawsuit that was still in court when "Superman 2" came out. When the judge found out that the producers had tried to pull the same scam again, he took that as proof that the first time with the Musketeers movies had been deliberate and not an accident, and they ended up having to pay everyone in both the Musketeers and Superman movies for two movies plus punitive damages.
JAKH
2024-11-20 03:25:17 +0000 UTCI met Sarah Douglas at a small local sci-fi convention not long after this film came out. I was late for her session and when I tried to get in, the first door was locked. As I entered the next door, the audience was applauding her. After the session my buddy informed me that, when I rattled the locked door, Sarah said 'Let's see if they make it in' and the applause was for me. She called me over and talked with me for 10 mins as an apology for embarrassing me (which she hadn't). She even kissed me on the cheek.
David Patterson
2024-11-20 03:15:01 +0000 UTCHelen Slater, who played Supergirl in the movie, also played Supergirl's human mother Eliza Danvers in WB's 2015 "Supergirl" TV series.
JAKH
2024-11-20 02:43:31 +0000 UTCAnd this reaction highlights why Cassie really needs to watch sequels much, much sooner, so it's all still fresh! It's no wonder she forgot Kal-El's name given it's been over 2 years since she reacted to the first movie!! If she ever gets around to watching 'Split' and 'Glass' (sequels to Unbreakable), or 'Jumanji: The Next Level' for example (fingers crossed), she's definitely going to need to rewatch the first movie again beforehand. Most movies don't have the recap this one did, and already knowing who the characters are is a huge part of enjoying and understand a sequel. If I had one wish for this channel, it's watching a movie that has a sequel or is part of a trilogy or franchise would mean the other movies are automatically included in Cassie's watchlist, rather than being decided by polls years later. One can only hope. đ€đ» P.s. I really can't wait for Cassie to watch Superman Returns. I'd wager she's really going to enjoy that one, especially given the graphics.
Luke Godfrey
2024-11-20 02:31:05 +0000 UTCI would skip âSuperman IIIâ and go straight to âSuperman ReturnsââŠthe comedy in âSuperman IIIâ is off the charts!
Darren Harrison
2024-11-20 02:16:43 +0000 UTCDon't know how much you know about Chris Reeve's personal story, but it's ironic that his iconic role was a man who was impervious to injury and yet he himself was catatrophically injured in a horse accident, leaving him a quadriplegic. I was not known if he would survive. He could not breathe on his own. Through state of the art medical care and his own determination, he was able to get off the breathing machine for periods of time in which he used the rest of his life working as an actor still, bringing awareness to spinal cord injuries and raised millions of dollars for medical research. When he passed, it was said that he was truely a super man for all he'd contributed to the betterment of mankind.
sharkey197
2024-11-20 01:35:04 +0000 UTCIt's not unlike the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy where Batman is essentially the stronger, more authentic personality while millionaire playboy Bruce Wayne is more the disguise. He may play up the spoiled, eccentric aspects of the facade when he's Bruce, but he still has friends and had to be a somewhat good/decent person... Just not somebody you would believe was Batman (and that isaa goes Ll the way back to the Don Diego/Zorro disparity, which was part of the original inspiration for the character of Batman).
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 23:19:30 +0000 UTCWell, part of that may be that Burton's influence on the character is felt even today so it's a bit more familiar to newcomers. His darker Batman, though it can seem somewhat silly now, was actually a reaction against the far campier take (most notably in the 1960s Adam West TV show) that was how most non-comic fans knew Batman in the late 80s, so his interpretation has basically just been imitated -- with the darkness factor turned up -- ever since.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 23:13:48 +0000 UTCWithout Superman 1, we don't get a key inspiration for Nolan when he makes Batman. I love these 2 Superman movies. Warts and all. Now. I go to actually watch the reaction. lol
Ricardo Rodriguez
2024-11-19 22:20:49 +0000 UTCPersonally, I go with with Clark and Supes are 2 sides of the same coin. He plays up being clumsy but he's a decent and good person. People care about Clark even when they don't know he's Supes.
Ricardo Rodriguez
2024-11-19 22:19:35 +0000 UTCI hear all that but for some reason I just canât get with it. I can however get with the Burton Batman films, and thatâs despite of me not even being born when they came out, and growing up on the Nolan films and The Animated Series. And I still understand the cultural significance of Batman 89. The OG Superman just doesnât do it for me. So Iâm really the opposite of Cassie on that, which is funny.
Shehab Dawoud
2024-11-19 22:19:03 +0000 UTCWhen the storytelling holds up, effects being dated becomes charming. King Kong and Superman 1 and 2 prime examples.
Ricardo Rodriguez
2024-11-19 22:15:24 +0000 UTCIf you don't dig on it for personal reasons, that's fine. It's just weird to hear such a spectacular, monumental, influential and highly regarded interpretation of such a significant fictional character referred to as "ruined" for somebody. That's hearing somebody say"Sam Raimi ruined Spider-Man" or that "Tim Burton ruined Batman" or that "Daniel Craig ruined James Bond" when, in fact, it's because of these various artists that these characters are still around. Oh, well.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 21:51:58 +0000 UTC"My first exposure to Superman was the Justice League animated series." That makes a lot of sense. You're still a relative newcomer to the Superman phenomenon and, thus, the fact that it has evolved over time to resemble what you are more familiar with can make things outside of that box seem bad when they are actually not. Superman's representation in various media has not necessarily gotten "better" but has just become more in line with contemporary sensibilities where comics take themselves *very* seriously (sometimes, I would argue, too seriously but that's another discussion). This was not always the case and thus the acting, while not necessarily "poor," is in keeping with what was considered "good" for the kind of more fun, fanciful, aelf-awars stories that were being told. It is a common mistake of younger people to think that something "old" and "unfamiliar" is bad when i really isn't. It just requires a bit more imagination and knowledge of historical/sociopolitical/cultural context to properly appreciate.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 21:45:37 +0000 UTCKeep that under your hat, Joe. Folks respect you at the moment.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 21:30:13 +0000 UTCAh, that's some nostalgia there, Bob. When my Mum first married my Stepdad, we couldn't afford a tv, so every Thursday we'd all troop over to a neighbour's house for our one hour of telly a week. That one hour was always The Six Million Dollar Man. I remember the opening credits - cool montage, perfect theme tune - and you're right, Steve Austin at full bionic speed looked as good as any CGI today. I stand by my original comment, though. Young Clark running beside the train was absolutely classic!
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 21:27:55 +0000 UTCTechnically Lana Lang was introduced in the first film. She was the cheerleader that was inviting Clark to come along, before Brad knocked over all the football gear. Although not played by Annette OâToole.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 21:12:09 +0000 UTCWhen Hackman and Donner initially met (long before the shooting started), Hackman had a mustache, and Donner did not. Hackman told Donner then that he wanted to keep the mustache, and Donner responded with something along the lines of let's talk about it later. Then, when Hackman arrived when production started, Donner did have a mustache, and said "if you shave yours off, I'll shave mine". So Hackman agreed, and when he returned, Donner simply peeled his mustache off. He had the makeup people give him a fake mustache!
bgb1975
2024-11-19 20:52:37 +0000 UTCDonner's version is better, particularly if you see what Lester did on 3 left to his own devices.
Odd Thomas
2024-11-19 20:37:18 +0000 UTCHonestly I would say Superman Returns is the best sequel to the Donner movies overall. 3 and 4 have low budgets and really go hard on goofy stuff. Brandon Routh isn't Christopher Reeves but he is close and dose a pretty good job.
Scott Macaulay
2024-11-19 20:36:18 +0000 UTCI don't think Soup 3 was as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I enjoyed the introduction of Lana Lang, and the introduction of "red" kryptonite (for my fellow nerds that are familiar with the old-time Superman comics).
bgb1975
2024-11-19 20:31:43 +0000 UTCI really hope Cassie enjoyed it enough to give the Donner Cut a view as well.
bgb1975
2024-11-19 20:27:47 +0000 UTCSupergirl is so underrated
Odd Thomas
2024-11-19 20:20:26 +0000 UTCThe DCEU movies can ONLY get better from my point of view. But I donât see that happening. Iâve only seen Man of Steel once, but I remember the film vividly. Anger will do that sometimes. ;-)
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 20:01:22 +0000 UTCClarence, I remember thinking how goofy the train race scene looked when I saw Superman in theaters as a kid. What made it really odd is that The Six Million Dollar Man had premiered on tv just a few years earlier. Usually, they depicted Steve Austinâs super speed thru the use of slo-mo (the earliest version of âbullet timeâ that Iâm aware of). But, in the series intro weâre treated to a brief depiction of Austin running at super speed in real time, and it looks MUCH more realistic than the big budget Superman depiction several years later.
Just Plain Bob
2024-11-19 19:51:55 +0000 UTCHey Cass.. Im so glad you finally got to this one.. Ive been waiting for you to watch this since you watched the 1st one. Some fun facts.. The guy who played the president also played Clark Griswalds dad in Christmas Vacation. As for Gene Hackman being bald as Lex Luthor.. he actually was against it at the time and said he'd only play the character if he could have hair and keep his moustache at the time. Richard Donner made him a deal that he could keep the hair but had to shave the mustache and that Richard Donner would shave his moustache.. Gene Hackman agreed.. but the funny thing was that Richard Donner didnt have a moustache. I guess he agreed to wear the bald cap once in each movie. I hope you get to watch the Donner Cut soon because there are a few subtle differences which I wont spoil here... like how the villain's escape and the ending is a little different. I also hope you get around to watching Man of Steel.. very good retelling. And the 1st Wonder Woman movie with Gal Gadot is pretty awesome.. and has a lot of the same feel as the original Superman movie. Thanks again my friend for sharing this one with us.
Johnny Bullis
2024-11-19 19:18:54 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't think Clark was portrayed like that in the other shows. Don't know about the comics, but all the other Clarks didn't have that Beaver Cleaver schtick. Haven't seen Alyn's version nor Hoechlin's. Everytime I look at Hoechlin I'm reminded of the guy from "Tango & Cash" with the jaw and snaps me out of it. I prefer the George Reeve version...assertive, masculine. I don't dislike the series for that reason alone. There are other reasons that I don't like, but I'll just leave it at that.
Henry
2024-11-19 18:28:41 +0000 UTCI doubt they would have shown her being ungrateful, terrible or pissed. Thatâs not what I meant, and far from what I wanted. She reacted the way a good person would have reacted for sure. She was still adjusting to things and most likely assumed he knew what was best. But I doubt what he did was anywhere close to her expectations. Iâm just saying she probably would have liked to discuss it, before he did it. I canât remember exactly how it played out from that moment to the Diner scene in the theatrical cut, but I do remember a voiceover scene of their car driving down the icy road, in the Donner Cut, and Clark asking if she was OK, because she hadnât said a word in a long time. She assured him she was ok, and just couldnât believe that he did that for her. Clark said he didnât do it for her, that he did it for them (âusâ). I took that exchange and her silence for a long while, as her feeling a little despondent and unsure of what just happened. There was definitely a âwhy did you do that, without talking to me first,â conversation in the near future, if it hadnât been for Clark finding out about Zod on the TV. Ultimately, the way it played out, I felt it showed there was actually more of Clark Kent in Superman, than one might of first thought.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 18:21:47 +0000 UTCLoved the reaction. Supergirl (1984) is an oddball, but I think it might be a fun react at some point, I also loved that movie growing up.
Brian's Dog
2024-11-19 17:29:21 +0000 UTCI enjoyed this reaction but noticed this movie, which I really like, has aged quite a bit. My initial reaction when it first came out was that I was finally watching a real superhero/super villain fight on the big screen with all the collateral damage in the big city that I always wanted. I loved the extra Richard Lester added comedy bits (I really like the comedy he added in The Three Musketeers movie). But this is just such a very flawed movie with so many things that don't make sense. Where does the levitation power come from? I don't think that was in the Superman comics. Plus the "Superman magically taking selected memory from Lois" bit didn't make any sense at all. Almost as bad, or maybe more bad, than the "reversing the spinning of the Earth to move time backwards" from the first movie. Oh well. Also in the previously seen actors department, Cassie, in a small role, E. G. Marshall as the U.S. President was juror number 3 from 12 Angry Men! (The one who couldn't remember the movie he saw, just like the defendant in that movie.) Eventually, Cassie will see every actor from that movie in more movies!
Mike LL
2024-11-19 17:13:37 +0000 UTCFair point. I definitely prefer a more competent, less clumsy version. But youâre right, there are different interpretations.
Walter
2024-11-19 17:12:51 +0000 UTCThis is the only logical explanation that I have ever heard.
Mike LL
2024-11-19 16:56:50 +0000 UTCThat's just the way the Superman/Clark dichotomy was played for decades (in the comics and other media). I prefer that interpretation myself, but if you don't, that's fine. A shame that you have to dislike the whole series for that reason as they're good movies with plenty else to like about them, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:29:45 +0000 UTCMy first exposure to Superman was the Justice League animated series, which was quite serious in tone, and so was Superman. Maybe thatâs why I think the character should be more like that, and thatâs why itâs Cavill for me. That one scene in âMan of Steelâ (you know which) removes any doubt. Itâs not just the effects and the visuals, itâs also the acting which is pretty poor. Everything just feels corny. Iâd say the Burton films also had some of those issues but have stood the test of time better and their impact is far greater than this one. Well, at least to anyone but our hostess, unfortunately xD
Shehab Dawoud
2024-11-19 16:28:10 +0000 UTCHell no, Stick. That scene is comedy gold!
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 16:26:49 +0000 UTCI would, Stick, but alas, she is hotter than I am, so I can't even threaten it.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 16:26:15 +0000 UTCTime to get a new wife.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:22:29 +0000 UTCSupermanâs Fortress of Solitude, which played such a prominent role in this movie, was ripped off from a popular pulp magazine character of the 1930s, Doc Savage, Man of Bronze (so named due to the bronze hue of his skin). The magazine began publication five years before the creation of Superman. In the magazine stories, Doc Savage had a secret base in the arctic called The Fortress of Solitude. He would travel there periodically to study and perfect new scientific discoveries he had made (in the stories, Savage was the foremost surgeon, geologist, chemist, engineer, lawyer, etc, in the world, owing to a series of physical and mental exercises he underwent daily). For anyone thatâs interested, many of the Doc Savage stories are available on FadedPage.com. Many aspects of Batman, also created several years after Doc Savage began publication, were also taken directly from the Doc Savage stories (wealthy philanthropist, abundance of gadgets including highly specialized cars, planes and even a submarine, murdered parent, self imposed prohibition against killing, eschewing firearms, excelled at hand to hand combat, etc). One canât help but wonder, without Doc Savage to âborrowâ from in those early years, how far would the nascent DC Comics brand have gotten? PS: Almost forgot. The Vulcan nerve pinch was first used by Doc Savage more than thirty years before Star Trek first took to the airwaves. The impact of this fantastic pulp fiction character was truly deep and wide ranging.
Just Plain Bob
2024-11-19 16:22:09 +0000 UTCMan, if only they had actually developed CGI in those days. Those train shot could have looked very different.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:20:12 +0000 UTCYou can clearly see in the movie that she isn't sure about the decision, but I doubt she'd want to show any anger towards him because it's a *huge* sacrifice he's making demonstrating how much he loves her/is choosing her over the entire world. She's probably just trying to be a good person and not a terrible, selfish and ungrateful one.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:18:48 +0000 UTCI like Cavill a lot (he's my second favorite Superman), but I still give the #1 spot to Reeve. As for the movies, yes, they are dated in terms of effects and things, but all things age poorly after enough time. Fortunately, they are still good where it matters. No doubt we'll look at the DCEU movies similarly in another 30 years.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:14:02 +0000 UTC@Clarence, I'm weirdly giddy for the Duck reaction (haha).
Joe
2024-11-19 16:10:54 +0000 UTCThe "Superman is the disguise" idea is certainly one interpretation of the character, but it is not the only one or even the "true" one. If you prefer it, that's fine, but the "Clark is the disguise" notion goes way back to the original comics and radio show, so it's got validity and precedent. Personally, I prefer it because it helps explain why people have such a hard time connecting Clark and Superman.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 16:10:25 +0000 UTCIâm sorry but ainât no way in hell Reeve is a better Superman than Henry Cavill. That dude was born to play that role. These movies definitely havenât aged that well either. They make the Burton Batmans look like the most serious things youâve seen.
Shehab Dawoud
2024-11-19 15:50:55 +0000 UTCChristopher Reeves was the first time I saw any superhero and he will always be the OG Superman for me. His performance is perfect. BUT his Clark Kent is terrible - NOT because of his performance, which is great. Itâs because Clark a Kent is who he is and Superman is the costume he wears to help people. Clark is not a goofball, clumsy, doof. The take by the filmmakers on Clark Kent is terrible - not the performance. He did what they wanted him to do, but what they wanted him to do was really bad.
Walter
2024-11-19 15:26:07 +0000 UTCI agree, skip the other Reeves movies. "Man of Steel" is well done and I think Cassie would like it alot. As for "Superman Returns", don't get me started on that trainwreck (haha).
Joe
2024-11-19 15:21:35 +0000 UTCShe hardly skip movies. But Superman Returns should be considered the 3rd movie and the other Christopher Reeve movies after that if she continues đ€
David Freese
2024-11-19 14:51:04 +0000 UTCChristopher Reeveâs Superman will always be the Greatest. The first Superman: The Movie (1978) is the Greatest Superhero movie in my opinion. If Richard Donner had been able to complete Superman II, Iâm pretty sure I might consider it the next best Superhero movie ever made. Christopher Reeve as Superman and Terence Stamp as Zod are that good. However, there is one plot point that has always bugged me, in the theatrical cut and the Richard Donner Cut. (I still say this plot point was given more context in the Richard Donner Cut, but still makes me scratch my head.) Lois falls in love with Superman, and only considers Clark Kent a friend. Lois finds out Superman IS Clark Kent, and he takes her to his fortress of solitude. After having a romantic dinner with Superman, Lois still getting used to the idea of Superman loving her too and possibly being in a relationship with Superman, she goes to put on something more comfortable. Superman then decides on his own, to step into a crystal box, and remove all of his powers, âpermanently,â essentially turning himself into Clark Kent, âpermanentlyâ⊠without discussing it with Lois. I always felt like Lois would have been a little pissed at this.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 13:46:25 +0000 UTCI really liked him in the 80s/90s Brewsters Millions is still one of my favourite comedyâs he was also great with Gene Wilder. But the grown up me kinda wished he wasnât in the 3rd movie lol, but I still pop it on every so often as I can enjoy it for what it is.
Dean Holt
2024-11-19 13:33:49 +0000 UTCCassie. The only reason you didn't like this one as much as the first is because only the first one has Clark running alongside the train - one of the greatest bits of CGI ever committed to film.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 13:29:39 +0000 UTCThat kids on the god dam escalator again đđ
Dean Holt
2024-11-19 13:26:33 +0000 UTCRichard Pryor was really hot at the time and he was just as good in Superman 3, but you're right, the film was a vehicle for his comedy rather than a true Superman sequel. I remember Christopher Reeve saying at the time (or probably a little later), "As soon as I saw that Richard Pryor was going to be in it, I knew they''d be going for the pratfalls and sight gags rather than true storytelling and character development." Shame, because in Some Kind of Hero (1982), Pryor showed he could act a bit too.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 13:24:56 +0000 UTCKevin Smith's movie "Mallrats" has a character that explains in vivid detail why it would be difficult for "Lois" and "Clark" to be a couple. "Lois and Clark" the 90s tv show, sounds like the "Superman" you experienced with your dad Cassie. Teri Hatcher from "Desparate housewives" and "Tomorrow never dies" as "Lois" and Dean Cain as "Superman"/"Clark".
Mojo One Thousand
2024-11-19 13:20:44 +0000 UTCThe great Sarah Douglas playing Ursa (the female bad guy) was an early crush even though I was too young to understand it. Her collecting badges and patches was relatable to my 8 year old self. So it wasn't just a physical crush. We had stuff in common. LOL
Mike Gallagher
2024-11-19 13:12:58 +0000 UTCIf it were not for the special memories the first movie holds for me, I would say this one is my favorite. I love the villains, the story, the little humor, and my friend and I quote it all the time. I find myself quoting or paraphrasing this movie almost every day, most of the time without even realizing it. :D
Vwlss Nvwls
2024-11-19 13:02:16 +0000 UTCFor me this is just as good as the first film, the 3rd one isnât really a Superman movie as itâs mainly about Richard Pryor character which tbh I liked as a kid but not so much now. The 4th one is one of the worst movie ever made so Iâd stay well away from it. But I would definitely recommend Superman Returns (2006) as itâs really underrated but I personally think the best SM film is Man of Steel yes I do have a couple of issues with some of the choices that was made but overall itâs a great movie and also my favourite DCEU film.
Dean Holt
2024-11-19 12:38:22 +0000 UTCSo even though this is called a superhero movie, this was 1980, and really the only other theatrical superhero movie up to that point that wasn't a kiddie movie or a parody had been the first SUPERMAN. Today most superhero movies have a wealth of tropes to draw on, but these movies were making it up as they went along, and to me they feel more like fantasy stories, or even fairy tales. They seem almost unrelated to the X-MEN, DARK KNIGHT, or MCU movies of our modern superhero era. (I would say maybe the Sam Raimi SPIDER-MAN films come a little close to these in terms of their tone.) That's why they're very loosey-goosey with "the rules." Superman (and the Phantom Zone villains) just have whatever powers the screenwriter wanted them to have in any given scene, without much consistency. And Superman's kiss takes away Lois' memories because they wanted to reset to the status quo, and they wanted to show Superman making a sacrifice both for Lois' sake and for the whole world, so now he just has that power. It's kind of a riff on Snow White, except instead of giving her life, he takes away her pain. "Why can't they be together?" Well, there's the nerdy scientific explanation - someone who is unbelievably strong and fast indestructible could literally kill a human lover, yes I know it's weird to discuss this, no you wouldn't believe how many fans HAVE discussed this - and there's the pragmatic explanation of wanting to keep loved ones safe from enemies, and then there's the fairy tale explanation. Superman can help the whole world but he has to be selfless, he can't value one person above anyone else. This was mostly how it was in the comics from 1938 until I think the 1990s. Oddly enough watching it this time was the first time I noticed how slow and disjointed this movie can be. I love it but it's kind of a mess. Still, even after 20+ years of increasingly jaw-dropping battle sequences in superhero cinema, Superman challenging Zod to step outside still gives me goosebumps. It's hard to describe how amazing this was to a wide-eyed five year old.
Patrick Flanagan
2024-11-19 12:37:04 +0000 UTCI love it when Cassie tries to remember names and ends up calling them â whatâs-his-nutsâ.
Brian McGovern
2024-11-19 12:25:29 +0000 UTCAlas, three things in life are certain, V - Death, taxes and Cassie watching Howard the Duck.
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 11:20:24 +0000 UTCThanks Stick for the insight. Interesting.
Clay F
2024-11-19 10:25:19 +0000 UTCMy wife isn't talking to me. She came in while I was watching this movie with Cassie and her mouth fell open. She looked from the screen to me, and said, "Are you cheating on Henry Cavill??"
Clarence Newman
2024-11-19 10:05:04 +0000 UTCSuperman Returns (2006) should be considered the only sequel remaining, but, and I have no idea why so many consider this a controversial take, the best Superman (not Clark) is animated Superman. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse (2010) is my favorite, but there are so many good ones.
Mike Lemon
2024-11-19 09:48:04 +0000 UTCThat's also what I thought he said when I was a kid.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 09:43:48 +0000 UTCI think you're right.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 09:33:46 +0000 UTCLike you, Cassie, I also prefer the first movie to this one. It is not only the best Superman movie that has ever been made, that probably ever will be made (or that probably ever even could be made), but it is still the greatest comic book superhero movie of all time imo. Still, I watched this one more often as a kid, so I have a lot of affection for it. It is definitely flawed (and much of that is due to its troubled production), but it also has some excellent qualities. You were sharp to pick up on some of the tonal shifts in it (like the slapstick gags during the climactic Metropolis battle). That was a result of Lester taking over the directing reins from Donner. Lester had a more comedic sensibility (some of his other movies include the iconic A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, the hilarious A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM and the best version of THE THREE MUSKETEERS that has ever been put on film) and introduced a different kind of humor than Donner had. Speaking of which, I think you should absolutely watch the Donner cut. Incomplete though it may be, it provides a glimpse (through a glass darkly) of what *could* have been had he been allowed to come back and finish his film properly. Like everyone else here, I agree you probably shouldn't watch 3 or 4 as they really drop in quality (3 has a number of good things mixed in with some really bad ones... 4 is just bad). It pains me to say it because Reeve is always phenomenal, but the movies themselves are often worse than he deserves. I do think you would enjoy SUPERMAN RETURNS as it was a sort of attempt to continue the story of the first two movies. Reeve's presence is sorely missed (and indeed the cast in general -- with the exception of the actor they got for Lex Luthor -- is vastly inferior to the original) but the iconography and John Williams music returns. It is also a flawed film, but it is ambitious, thematically rich and much better than its reputation. You might also consider watching MAN OF STEEL. A very different sort of Superman movie but a very interesting one and with a terrific cast (a much better cast than RETURNS in my book). Henry Cavill is particularly good as Superman... In fact, he's my favorite Superman after Reeve. I hope you are interested in the new one coming out next year from GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY writer/director James Gunn featuring David Corenswet (from TWISTERS) as Superman. I am looking forward to it myself. I think it looks very promising. Superman is my favorite superhero, so I'm always ready for another good movie about him. Once again, nicely done. Keep up the good work. :-)
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 09:19:17 +0000 UTCAlso, Superman could see that she just wasn't yet emotionally prepared to live this life of knowing his secret and not telling people. I think he realized that for her to make that leap, she was going to have to learn to love his Clark persona too. Like that old saying, "If you can't love me at my Clark Kent, you don't get me at my Superman."
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:53:01 +0000 UTCI really wanted to like Routh, but he just didn't do it for me in SR. He looked great obviously, very much like Reeve, but in a way, that strength also became his biggest liability as one can't watch him without comparing him to Reeve wherein he falls way short (his voice is higher and weaker; Reeve's is deeper, more resonant, more powerful) and his line delivery is more flat and stilted (it didn't help either that they give him some of Reeve's exact same lines from the first movie). Routh fares marginally better in his Clark Kent guise where these weaknesses (lack of presence and charisma) actually become strengths, but when he's Superman, he's less than convincing. I just never bought him as that character (I think director Bryan Singer would have been better served to try to cast another Superman rather than another Chris Reeve). Also, and I admit this is not Routh's fault, I never liked his suit. The colors were way too dark with too small of an "S" shield and shorts. Overall, a less than impressive Superman... although years later, when Routh played the character again in the Crisis crossover event on TV, he was much, much better (and he had a better suit). I think maybe he he just needed to grow into the role.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:46:09 +0000 UTCA good reason Lois had to be made to forget was Superman protecting her and himself from villains in the future from exploiting their knowing his secret Identity against them. You will find Spiderman/Peter Parker doing things to keep Mary Jane safe by keeping his secret identity from her knowing multiple times. Super Heroes gotta keep their friends safe .
Keith Brown
2024-11-19 08:37:52 +0000 UTCI have little doubt that the final version of the scene where Lois discovers his secret, had Donner actually been allowed to film it, work have been much better than the screen test, but as it stands, Lester's version is superior both emotionally and dramatically. It also helps the transition to them being "so in love" the following scene makes more sense. In the Donner cut, it's too abrupt of a shift.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:36:40 +0000 UTCAnd the other guy was John Ratzenberger from CHEERS and the first SUPERMAN (as a different character).
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:33:27 +0000 UTCThe thing to bear in mind about the whole "not recognizing Clark is Superman" thing is that it is not just the looks, voice and demeanor/personality that's at play... It's that ordinary people can't conceive that such a powerfully mighty being would ever humble himself so radically in such a humiliating disguuse. People without power tend to assume that those with it would never willingly give it up and "sink" to their own level. The notion that Superman would "hide" himself among them rather than just always be proudly Superman out there flying around is why people don't recognize him. They don't know (because he never tells anyone) that he even has a "secret identity." We know because it's become a trope of the comic book/superhero genre, but the people in the Superman universe don't know they're in a comic book, so they don't know to look for Superman among their population. Is it realistic? Probably not (although in his autobiography, Michael Caine talks about seeing Chris Reeve in the studio cafeteria when he was filming these movies and on the days he was dressed as Superman he was mobbed whereas on the days he was dressed as Clark, nobody recognized him and ignored him, so maybe there's some truth to it), but is symbolic. It's a metaphor for something deeper and it's one of the reasons I love the character/mythos of Superman so much.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:30:09 +0000 UTCI do too.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:20:11 +0000 UTCThe reason they rewrote, restaged and reshot so many scenes that Donner already did was so that the majority of the film could done by Lester and he could receive directorial screen credit as per DGA rules.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 08:19:37 +0000 UTCCassie, I think the majority will agree with me in saying you can skip the remaining 2 Superman movies. Even Christopher Reeve says so in his book "Still Me". Hopefully you will check out his new documentary movie though instead. Not necessarily as a reaction perhaps.
Shawn Kildal
2024-11-19 08:00:04 +0000 UTCPiB, I agree with you in preferring S1 over S2. I was not the biggest fan of S2 when I first saw it in the theater because of the tone change and for plot reasons (Lois memory, jokey tone). Also, for some reason, the music sounded much worse (and epic) than the first one. It sounded very thin compared to the original S1 score. Anyway, I agree with the suggestion others have made about skipping S3 and S4 (unless you *really* want to see them). Superman Returns would be a better end I think since it tonally is closer to S1.
Ron
2024-11-19 07:57:51 +0000 UTC@Clay: Maybe because that is the only properly finished movie of the two? I believe Donner's version had the potential to be a superior film compared to what we ultimately received from Lester. However, the Donner Cut is inherently an imperfect product that could never truly be completed. It is more as a sample of what might have been rather than a fully realized movie and doesnât stand well on its own without the theatrical cut as a point of reference.
GĂĄbor Ărki
2024-11-19 07:57:28 +0000 UTCWhen Margot Kidder was on screen, you can tell by her appearance which scene was shot by Donner and which were short by Lester. She was so much thinner by the time (2 years I think) Lester began working on it. The diner scene where Clark gets beaten up is where she looks her best IMO. It's very noticeable.
Shawn Kildal
2024-11-19 07:53:25 +0000 UTCTwo additions: 1. The reason for keeping the remaining scenes shot by Donner was that Hackman walked off the set and never came back after he learned Donner was fired. So, they left with no choice but to use his existing footage. 2. As far as I know, Donner wasnât heavily involved in creating the Donner Cut. Initially, he declined participation but expressed his interest in viewing the final product. This version was primarily assembled by Michael Thau, though according to him Donner eventually decided to contribute in an advisory capacity toward the end.
GĂĄbor Ărki
2024-11-19 07:47:33 +0000 UTCWhat movies will Cassie be reacting to next? Please not the razzies choice for worst film of '86.
V M
2024-11-19 07:40:29 +0000 UTCLove Lois & Clark series. I own it on dvd too. It was always one of my favorites
Katie Jackson
2024-11-19 07:40:14 +0000 UTCI own the entire Smallville series on dvd. It is very close between Tom Welling and Christopher Reeve for me.
Katie Jackson
2024-11-19 07:38:43 +0000 UTCCassie, your hair has gotten so long! It looks great! Kinda sad that you didnât like this movie as much as the first, but itâs okay. I get it. Glad you still had fun with it. Iâm fine either way if you watch III and IV or decide to skip them, but I definitely hope you watch Superman Returns. It stings that Christopher Reeve is not in it, but Brandon Routh does a commendable job filling his shoes. And I also hope you watch Man of Steel with Henry Cavill so you can compare and contrast it with the original. PlusâŠitâs got Kevin Costner.
Dan M
2024-11-19 07:32:26 +0000 UTCSuperman was my first Halloween costume. The cheap rubber band on the mask broke immediately, but the costume was sweeeet! That day, Superman fought for truth, justice, and the American candy! Haha
clutchkman
2024-11-19 07:24:45 +0000 UTCDoesn't look like anyone bit on the "...why does Superman have to give up his powers to be with Lois?..." I have a few ideas on the why of the matter but the primary issue in my mind is that Clark and Lois would not be able to be a loving couple in the typical way as humans would expect. Also, Lois bearing Superman's natural child would (I think) be prohibitively dangerous and possibly lethal given the possible genetic interactions. There's my take on it anyway. Additional thought to clarify; imagine the kind of kick the fetus would have while within the uterus.
Michael Labs
2024-11-19 07:14:18 +0000 UTCSuperman I and 2 are pure nostalgia. Superman returns attempts to recreate that and despite a fantastic action scene misses completely. For me as a old school comic book fan Man of Steel, batman Vs superman extended and Zack Synder justice league remain the finest comicbook movies of all time, of marvel and DC. I think Man of Steel is probably my most favourite movie of all time. Everytime I watch it there's a new nuance or revelation. I think for us older movie fans nostalgia skews our perspective a lot. We are instantly transported to the past watching a familiar movie. But it becomes a bit sobering when someone younger watches and it doesn't have the same resonance. Oh well c'est la vie. Superman Ii remains instantly quoteably to peers in my age group " why would you say such things when you know I will kill you for it" but for pure on screen awesomeness. The synder trilogy remains untouchable.
rakesh
2024-11-19 07:09:40 +0000 UTCWould be great to see you and Carly watch the original and the Donner cut in a year or so.
djKENTO
2024-11-19 07:09:02 +0000 UTCI think the Richard Donner cut is absolutely worth doing a reaction vid. It's very different from this version. There are whole scenes and sections of the movie that are different. The backstory is that Donner shot Superman 1 and 2 simultaneously as one giant production with the plan being for 1 to come out with a cliffhanger(Zod escaping the Phantom Zone) at the end and an announcement that Superman 2 would be coming in a few months. However, production ended up running behind schedule and over budget. Because of this, both Donner and the producers eventually made the decision to stop production of 2 and focus entirely on finishing the first one, with the hope that it would be successful enough that they could come back and finish 2. At that point, Donner had filmed about 70 percent of Superman 2. Since they didn't know if they would be able to come back and finish 2 they changed the ending of the first one to involve Superman turning back time as you've seen. Anyway, fast forward to after the first one comes out and is a giant hit. Things get a bit controversial depending on who tells the story but essentially Donner didn't get along with the producers and he said some statements publicly about not wanting to work with them so they abruptly fired him. He was never able to go back and finish filming Superman 2 the way he intended. The producers then, for some reason that I've never been clear on, instead of hiring Richard Lester to finish 2 with the script they had been using during production they instead rewrote and reshot most of what Donner had already filmed and we eventually got the theatrical version of 2 that you just saw. Oh and on top of all that, even though all of Marlon Brando's stuff had been completed by Donner for Superman 2 during the initial production, he ended up cut from the movie entirely because the producers didn't want to have to pay him. This is why you see Supermanâs mother in the movie instead. Richard Lester shot all the stuff with her. Some of what Donner had filmed stayed in the final film such as every scene with Gene Hackman, the moon attack scene, the white house stuff etc. Now fast forward to 2006 and due to the high demand, Donner was able to go back and put together his original version of Superman 2. Or at least as close to it as he could get with the limited footage. This version restores the scenes that Donner had shot during the initial production. This version even has all the Marlon Brando scenes put back in. However, even this version still uses some footage that Lester shot so that they could have a full movie seeing as that Donner had only filmed 70 percent of 2. Basically, the Lester footage is there to fill in the gaps of scenes Donner was unable to film himself. For the most part, I think it works but again, it is technically an unfinished movie. In fact, one scene in particular is a screen test. I do hope you do a reaction to that version. As I've said, it's certainly different enough to warrant it.
Cody Nelson
2024-11-19 07:05:20 +0000 UTCControversial I know but I think the theatrical cut is way better
Jason Dolan
2024-11-19 06:44:15 +0000 UTCThis was a first watch for me. I like that Clark/Superman and Lois hooked up, but then he made her forget? (sorry Cassie). I liked some of the humor. I agree that some of the goofiness didnât seem to fit but can see why others might like it. I liked okay the long and confusing confrontation between Superman vs Zod, Ursa, and Non the last portion of the movie. âWhy did he give in so easily?â He switched it. Wild that Gene Hackman is now 94 years old. I liked the final scene in the cafĂ©, even though a little cheesy. I liked better the first Superman (1978) (my first and only watch about 10 months ago). I thought the Superman (1978) story overall was better. I was pleased that I liked Superman (1978) more than I expected. I did think it silly that Lois didn't recognize Superman as Clark in the first Superman (1978). It's the face. Facial recognition â humans are good at that. Glasses and demeanor don't change that in my feeble opinion. I am glad that I watched Superman (1978). I am curious about the Donner cut. I am curious that most comments here seem to favor the Donner cut, whereas in the poll, the theatrical cut (64%) won overwhelmingly over the Donner cut (36%)? I read discussion online favoring the theatrical cut. I am glad that this was the last sequel reaction on the channel for now, at least for a while. I am trying to decide if I should watch Superman 3 and Superman 4 on my own. IMDb 7.4, Metacritic 82%, RT 93% (audience 86%) -- Superman (1978) IMDb 6.8, Metacritic 83%, RT 83% (audience 76%) -- Superman 2 (1980) IMDb 5.0, Metacritic 44%, RT 29% (audience 23%) -- Superman 3 (1983) IMDb 3.7, Metacritic 24%, RT 10% (audience 16%) -- Superman 4 (1987)
Clay F
2024-11-19 06:37:47 +0000 UTCAgree. That was my conclusion in seeing how cheesy and confusing the movie (my first watch) can be, and with watching her through the movie and listening to her outro.
Clay F
2024-11-19 06:34:09 +0000 UTCSo Richard donner was fired halfway through filming this. This and the first were shot back to back. John williams also left as composer. Richard Lester was brought in to complete the film. He is a legend in his own right for how he essentially created the music video. And his work with the beatles is amazing. But he is very quirky. And a lot of the goofy humor was amplified by him. So the result is a weirdly broken movie that fights itself to find a tone but the fact that its this good at all is a miracle. The three musketeers movies by Richard Lester are great comedies if you havent seen them.
Night King01
2024-11-19 06:22:59 +0000 UTCRouth does great yeah and spacey is at least intimidating in that role, plus the film has an outstanding action set piece that I've definitely not watched on YouTube multiple times...
Andrew Taylor
2024-11-19 06:15:32 +0000 UTCAgreed. I do think that Brandon Routh was a pretty good choice that fits the Reeve vibe in the role well. Given the challenge of it, I think he did pretty well.
Guy Gordon
2024-11-19 06:12:40 +0000 UTCThe NASA control center guy was played by Shane Rimmer, a Canadian who made a career out of portraying Americans in British-based movies (the Superman series were filmed at Pinewood Studios in England). Rimmer also portrayed the U.S. Navy. Submarine captain in the James Bond movie âThe Spy Who Loved Meâ
Darren Harrison
2024-11-19 06:10:46 +0000 UTCWhen I was a young lad, I swear he said, "Both YOU and THEN ONE DAY... YOUR ASS!!" It made sense to me! ha!
Philip Alan
2024-11-19 06:06:46 +0000 UTCCassie didn't appear to be too enthralled with this movie.
V M
2024-11-19 06:04:52 +0000 UTCHenry Cavill is fantastic. I hope she gets around to reacting to MAN OF STEEL.
Philip Alan
2024-11-19 06:04:30 +0000 UTCFor starters, Cassie always watches the version of the movie that was released, so not sure why she even had the poll.
Philip Alan
2024-11-19 06:02:00 +0000 UTCHonestly, it's a hard watch with all the unfinished scenes. (for me anyways)
Philip Alan
2024-11-19 06:00:55 +0000 UTCThe twinkle in your eye when they finally kissed was worth the price of admission! Ha!
Philip Alan
2024-11-19 05:54:21 +0000 UTCWow. Forgot how I dislike this series. I think this series ruined Superman for me. Not a fan of the âGosh, gollyâ Clark.
Henry
2024-11-19 05:45:02 +0000 UTCShe saw Nolan Batman before 89 which kinda was a bad comparison. They did say those things thats why it stayed a patreon exclusive.
David Freese
2024-11-19 05:36:42 +0000 UTCGood question. Even before I knew the Donner cut existed I didn't really care for the Lester version at all. But it is better than Superman III.
thansen
2024-11-19 05:36:17 +0000 UTCOnly thing I hate about Smallville and that universe is that Clark decides to quit being Superman and be a dad and a farmer which admirable but not in the Clark character.
David Freese
2024-11-19 05:34:51 +0000 UTCThe Donner cut has to reuse the ending of 1 and on scenes with test footage and non complete green screen scenes it looks out of place. I like the Donner cut story wise better but the theater cut looks alot better. As much as I hate to admit the theater/ Lester cut is a better cut for Cassie but I hope she watches Donner version one day.
David Freese
2024-11-19 05:32:12 +0000 UTCIâll take a better scripted scene with fine actors in a low budget Holiday Inn room over a less than scripted scene with fine actors in a Honeymoon Suite.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 05:31:50 +0000 UTCI agree. I was excited when I saw the Superman Returns poster.
thansen
2024-11-19 05:31:50 +0000 UTCI can tell you! The firing of Donner and switching to cheese and comedy with Lester. It actually started with 2.
David Freese
2024-11-19 05:27:55 +0000 UTCThe problem with the Richard Donner cut is they had to use a dress rehearsal scene for a critical scene as it was never shot for real and the effects shots were never fully completed.
Darren Harrison
2024-11-19 05:24:54 +0000 UTCThank you đ
David Freese
2024-11-19 05:24:16 +0000 UTCI canât answer that. Possibly it has to do with âIâve never seen the Donner cut.â Possibly it has to do with âMy first superhero movie as a kid.â
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 05:21:16 +0000 UTCShe might enjoy Batman Forever...? But was just thinking how this came out the year before Nightmare Before Christmas as almost a paving of the way for that movie. They have some real similarities. but I guess Edward Scissorhands was kind of a Christmas movie too. Tim Burton has a thing for mixing tones and styles.
Chris Thom
2024-11-19 05:18:33 +0000 UTCDid they really say those things? I still havenât watched the Batman 89 Reaction. I will if she watches Returns, but Geez. I canât imagine. Had they seen ANY Batman stuff before watching the â89 film? I still say they need to watch some Adam West Batman episodes from the 60s before watching anymore of the 90s Batman films.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 05:13:41 +0000 UTCBatman 89 came out when I was 4. Thought it was completely terrifying at the time. Wish I saw these first.
Chris Thom
2024-11-19 05:11:13 +0000 UTCLarry, why do you think the theatrical cut (64%) won overwhelmingly in poll over the Donner cut (36%)? I've never seen the Donner cut.
Clay F
2024-11-19 05:10:29 +0000 UTCWhy do you think the theatrical cut (64%) won overwhelmingly in poll over the Donner cut (36%)? I've never seen the Donner cut.
Clay F
2024-11-19 05:09:17 +0000 UTCI will say this about being a PIB Kernel. I have definitely started playing with fidget toys and putting on lotion during movies. (Itâs just what kernels do.)
Uncle Phoenix
2024-11-19 05:08:47 +0000 UTCThat theme is so perfect and rousing. I think younger people sometimes forget Williams ever did that score.
Chris Thom
2024-11-19 05:06:52 +0000 UTCAt the very least, she'll have a better idea what she's in for than she did going into the first Burton film.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 05:05:11 +0000 UTCI think Superman Returns would be a better story wrap up and has aged quite well. Just no reeves hurts it a lot.
Andrew Taylor
2024-11-19 05:04:46 +0000 UTCThe Gene Hackman voice impersonation is clearly evident whenever itâs used.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 05:04:07 +0000 UTCShe did. She was mistaken in her intro.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 05:03:56 +0000 UTCFor me, Henry Cavill is the best Superman after Chris Reeve (although, like Dan, I did really like Tom Welling in SMALLVILLE).
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 05:02:47 +0000 UTCYouâll have to see The Richard Donner Cut, in order to hear John Williamsâ score, which is still just repurposing from the first film. IMO, itâs still way better than the imitation score done by Ken Thorne.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 05:01:54 +0000 UTCUnfortunately, the fun ends here. Supes III is basically a Richard Pryor movie with Chris guest-starring, and IV is a monstrosity I have only glimpsed at (through splayed fingers) once. It's hard to say why the franchise crashed so badly after II. No one at the helm with a creative vision perhaps. I think we should all look at the documentary SUPER/MAN about the heroic actor behind the films. It came out last month.
Kent Theaker
2024-11-19 05:00:16 +0000 UTCSame. My brother took me and two of my friends. Great night.
Dan M
2024-11-19 04:56:35 +0000 UTCKatie and Stick, have you seen Smallville with Tom Welling? My favorite Superman tv series. After Christopher Reeve, Tom Welling is my next favorite Superman.
Dan M
2024-11-19 04:53:40 +0000 UTCYES! I was hoping this would be up tonight! Love this movie! No slight to George Reeves or Henry Cavill, but Christopher Reeve will always be Superman to me. Iâve got the opening theme playing in my head alreadyâŠone of the best movie themes ever at getting you pumped for a movie. John Williams at his absolute best.
Dan M
2024-11-19 04:49:26 +0000 UTCI might be wrong but didn't Cassie watch Somewhere in Time after Superman 1?? Its listed on my Playlist that way but I might just have placed it wrong!
David Freese
2024-11-19 04:49:13 +0000 UTCAfter Christopher Reeve, the best Superman for me, is Dean Cain in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. I watched every episode weekly when I was a kid. Was one of my favorites. I own this complete series as well. I also just recently purchased the Original Christopher Reeve film 4K Boxset and the Superman: The Movie 3 Hour Extended Cut Blu-ray. Praise Physical Media ;-)
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 04:45:39 +0000 UTCFYI: ALL the scenes where you clearly see it is Gene Hackman, were all filmed by Richard Donner. Hackman's scenes were all completed before the first movie was released. All scenes that show Lex Luthor from afar or obscured, were done by Richard Lester. Hackman and Lester did not work together.
Brian McGovern
2024-11-19 04:42:41 +0000 UTCShe might appreciate Michelle Pfeiffer in it at least. But that might be it. And maybe the Gotham Christmas vibes. But I'd bet not.
Chris Thom
2024-11-19 04:42:22 +0000 UTCI love the Donner cut but the theatrical cut was a misfire.
thansen
2024-11-19 04:32:56 +0000 UTCGonna have to wait for tomorrow, but I will say⊠Hopefully you check out the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II one day. Itâs put together a lot better and explains things a bit better. Not everything is perfect in it either, but overall it feels like the better movie and feels like it connects with the first Superman more. For a couple things, The Richard Donner Cut has Marlon Brando returning as Supermanâs father, Jor-El, who does a lot better at explaining things than his Mother. And the alternate scenes used by Richard Donner, fit the tone of the first film as well. A bunch of extra fluff was cut out and itâs a much tighter film. I liked Lois Lane, a lot better in the Richard Donner Cut. Having the Iconic John Williams Superman theme back, is a Huge Plus too. Still looking forward to seeing this tomorrow :-)
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 04:31:44 +0000 UTCI have. I remember it was made to help promote the release of SUPERMAN RETURNS.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 04:22:18 +0000 UTCCan't help but love Christopher Reeve,he truly was a super man.đâ€
Celeste McAllister
2024-11-19 04:21:32 +0000 UTC3 is several good scenes (like the junkyard fight) and some good characters/actors (Annette O'Toole as Lana Lang) in search of a good movie.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 04:17:23 +0000 UTCBatman Returns (1992) is a Christmas Movie.
Larry Darrell
2024-11-19 04:12:03 +0000 UTCSuperman IV is pathetic....and III is bad, but honestly I have a soft spot for it. I'll be there for that one. Bring on INSURRECTION...very much looking forward.
Pianodean
2024-11-19 04:10:36 +0000 UTCI had to blow the dust off my old stash of dvd copies from when Netflix was a mail order service for this one.
Shad Kanyak
2024-11-19 04:10:31 +0000 UTCHave you seen Look Up In The Sky! The Amazing Story Of Superman? It's a documentary that came out around 5 or 6 years ago. It's really good and you can watch it for free on YouTube
Katie Jackson
2024-11-19 04:06:55 +0000 UTCShe has said in a previous video that she is considering watching the Batman sequels.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 04:05:27 +0000 UTCIâm named after Superman and the Kent family, Christopher Reeve is a personal hero. I adore these first two movies⊠Proceed with a 3 and 4 only if youâre ready for a STEEP decline in quality. They are genuinely so bad. Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 with a new cast but I also think Superman is a straight up creep in that movie. Itâs weird and bad and boring. But Super/Man: The Christopher Reeve story is tremendous but I donât know how well a reaction to a documentary would do. Watch it anyway tho cuz itâs beautiful and wonderful and Iâm getting emotional just thinking about it.
djKENTO
2024-11-19 03:58:31 +0000 UTCIs Batman (1992) in the cards -- considering her lukewarm reception to Batman (1989)? In Batman (1989) reaction. Carly: "Do people still like this movie?" Cassie: "This movie makes no sense. Zero." Carly: "There was actually no story development. No character development."
Clay F
2024-11-19 03:57:08 +0000 UTCMine too. Actually saw this in the theater.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 03:55:11 +0000 UTC"BOTH YOU AND THEN ONE DAY YOUR HEIRS!!!"
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 03:54:59 +0000 UTCMy favorite superhero as well and Chris Reeve is my favorite Superman.
Stick Figure Studios
2024-11-19 03:54:13 +0000 UTCI absolutely love Superman, my favorite superhero. I own every live action movie and series made since the first Christopher Reeve movie and I recommend them all(except Superman 4). I'll have to watch this tomorrow though. I have to be up for work in 3 hoursâčïž
Katie Jackson
2024-11-19 03:52:14 +0000 UTCThank you Cassie. Hope you can do Batman Returns 1992 for Christmas.
Brian Wood
2024-11-19 03:50:41 +0000 UTCI immediately have to wonder if Cassie is going to get to see Superman Returns, which is meant to be a sequel to this film. Iâll hold my breath on the whole Superman Super-Kiss conversation.
Uncle Phoenix
2024-11-19 03:49:43 +0000 UTCSuperman I and II are great movies. I enjoyed II better. But to each his / her own. Glad you enjoyed it. Gene Hackman is great in everything he is in
Bill Maurer
2024-11-19 03:46:19 +0000 UTCKNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!
Ross Cicero
2024-11-19 03:45:38 +0000 UTCMy first superhero movie as a kid. Love this one!
Wes
2024-11-19 03:44:59 +0000 UTC
