Cassie Tremblay : ST TNG S7 Poll 2 of 2

Good analysis, Clay. Like I said, I don't dislike Michelle Forbes in any other role. Ro just didn't do it for me.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-23 06:51:53 +0000 UTC

Picard liked Ro. I like the connection between Picard and Ro. From end of Ensign Ro episode: PICARD: I'd like you to consider remaining in Starfleet. RO: You're not serious. PICARD: I think it would be a shame for Starfleet to lose someone of your potential. RO: Well, thank you, Captain, but this uniform just doesn't fit, and you know it. PICARD: That can change. RO: I don't think so. PICARD: I've noticed qualities in you that could be harnessed, molded. RO: Don't count on it. PICARD: I think you've got a great deal to learn from Starfleet. RO: I always thought Starfleet had a lot to learn from me, Captain. PICARD: That is an attitude I've found common among the best officers I've ever served with. You're not one of them yet, but you could be, if you work at it. Michelle Forbes (who played Ensign Ro) is a Saturn Award winner w/3 nominations. She received an Emmy nomination for her performance in the soap opera Guiding Light. I liked her as the wife of the David Duchovny character in "Kalifornia" (1993) with Brad Pit and Juliette Lewis. I thought she was stunning as the mother of a murdered daughter in "The Killing" TV series (2011-2014) - she received an Emmy nomination for that role. She has been in several series and a few movies.

Clay F

2024-08-22 22:49:57 +0000 UTC

A patron on the channel commented that Ro "is too woke for me." When I asked why, he replied "she’s too standoffish, too masculine, reminds me of the girl bosses of today who are only there to preach to an audience and put male characters down. In the context of history, her character hasn’t aged as well as others."

Clay F

2024-08-22 22:49:46 +0000 UTC

I believe the word "quirky" was invented for that episode.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-21 08:20:14 +0000 UTC

For two reasons, one of which is entirely on me, I don't like the fact that Preemptive Strike is doing well. I never liked the character of Ro Laren. Even in her good episodes (and there were some), I found her as arrogant and annoying as Shelby in Best of Both Worlds, which is a shame because when Michelle Forbes (who played Laren) first appeared in TNG (Half a Life), I really liked her. It's the character of Ro I could never connect with. Over 200 votes for Preemptive Strike suggest I'm in the minority there, so that's fine. It's the other problem that bothers me. Preemptive Strike is a decent episode on its own, and a good end to the Ro story arc, but Cassie doesn't even know her, so the impact of the conclusion will fall flat as a pancake. Yes, some have suggested she go back and watch a few Ro episodes to catch up, but Cassie doesn't have time in her life to do that so it's not going to happen. What we're left with is a single episode with a "new" character that Cassie will have to battle to engage with. At least we know she'll love All Good Things.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-21 07:52:18 +0000 UTC

Yes, First Duty (good episode) would provide context but not absolutely necessary.

Clay F

2024-08-20 20:36:11 +0000 UTC

Although TNG is my favourite of the 3 “1990s” Star Trek series the season finale only comes in 3rd after VOY on 1st and DS9 on 2nd. I feel they are more natural/storyline wise fitting more organically to the rest of their respective shows. Then again, getting through the first 3 seasons of VOY was a challenge.

DiSarli

2024-08-20 20:23:01 +0000 UTC

Lower Decks is a great little episode. Yes, it would be nice for Cassie to watch First Duty so she could have the context of one of the characters, but I think the episode will stand up fine on its own.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-20 20:20:41 +0000 UTC

It's a poor end to Wesley. They did so well to build him up in Final Mission, The Game and First Duty (where he finally showed he was just like the rest of us, faults and all), then did him dirty in Journey's End.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-20 20:17:43 +0000 UTC

The revenge was also also such a pretty cutie pie 😂

DiSarli

2024-08-20 20:13:08 +0000 UTC

It was actually impressive with how few appearances Ro (and the actress) made quite a big impression and fit in quite well while still keeping a certain distance.

DiSarli

2024-08-20 20:10:09 +0000 UTC

Maybe she could watch „First Duty“ of Season 5 on her own before „Lower Decks“ for context/background. Next to „Inner Light“ the episode „Lower Decks“ impacted me emotionally the most among all TNG episodes.

DiSarli

2024-08-20 18:14:52 +0000 UTC

For poll 2, I voted these 3 only: Lower Decks Thine Old Self *Preemptive Strike Lower Decks and Preemptive Strike will have less meaning because key Cardassian/Bajorian episodes The Wounded and Ensign Ro were skipped, and shouldn't have been skipped. Instead, The Drumhead and Cause and Effect (both excellent) should have been skipped. I am surprised by the love for Journey's End. Has the excellent Wesley Crusher (a fine and brilliant young man) and a story about native Americans, but the episode just seems kind of weak to me.

Clay F

2024-08-20 00:13:11 +0000 UTC

Yes Preemptive Strike is totally unnecessary for this channel but otherwise an episode a TNG fan couldn’t really miss. A shame since this shows a fatherly/mentoring side of Picard which… doesn’t end well.

Samir Sinha

2024-08-19 23:34:31 +0000 UTC

For Preemptive Stike,I do personally like the episode, but for here, I like to see Cassie's response to things. This is not just a cold reponse, she will have zero attatchment to RO. Do I hope she goes and sees the others, of course, I voted for them. But at this stage I just want to go for a genuine reaction.

Tom Furze

2024-08-19 23:03:40 +0000 UTC

Gambit and especially Journey's End will likely not be one of the 4 winners in the S7 final poll. The top 3 winners in the S7 final poll will surely be Parallels, The Pegasus, and Lower Decks. The 4th place will likely be between Attached and Gambit, leaning Attached. Will be a travesty if Attached doesn't secure that 4th place.

Clay F

2024-08-19 20:16:38 +0000 UTC

Yeah, she has no idea who Ensign Ro is. She only briefly saw Ensign Ro (on the bridge) in Cause and Effect, and probably doesn't even remember. In the S5 final poll, unneeded episodes Darmok and Cause and Effect (both excellent) were chosen over ENSIGN RO episode (key for Ensign Ro background, Cardassian newly introduced species, Bajorian stuff, her relationship w/Picard, etc.). ENSIGN RO finished 6th place right behind 5th place I, Borg (that Cassie did react to). ENSIGN RO is such a good episode that Cassie would have like. Plus, CONUNDRUM (that Cassie would have also liked) did not stand a chance.

Clay F

2024-08-19 20:06:33 +0000 UTC

I voted Lower Decks, which will likely be one of the four to win the S7 final poll. Lower Decks will have less context b/c unneeded episode The Drumhead (excellent) being chosen over The Wounded, and uneeded episodes Darmok and Cause and Effect (both excellent) being chosen over Ensign Ro.

Clay F

2024-08-19 19:53:28 +0000 UTC

You duplicated episode 21: First born, and skipped Episode 22: Bloodlines.

YG

2024-08-19 18:29:31 +0000 UTC

Very true. I wish we could nominate some episodes that should be watched. I would love to see a reaction to Face of the Enemy. It's a shame that others characters didn't get episodes to shine.

Imzadi

2024-08-19 16:42:59 +0000 UTC

Yes, I’m also disappointed we never got to experience her with Cassie. Just too many great episodes to choose from. (But at least we got to see her make soup for Spock in “Amok Time”)

Silver Machine

2024-08-19 16:35:24 +0000 UTC

This is the first TNG poll I have disagreed with the voting. For me it’s: Sub Rosa, not a great one, but Cassie would love it. Masks, for a great performance from Brent Spiner. ( but wouldn’t make my final four) Genesis: because I love that episode.

Mark White

2024-08-19 16:33:54 +0000 UTC

With the exception of “Lower Decks” and “All Good Things”, I’d say the better episodes this time are clustered in the first half of the season. I do hope Lower Decks makes it through.

Silver Machine

2024-08-19 16:32:35 +0000 UTC

If you don’t want to miss TNG much you should definitely go for „Sub Rosa“, „Masks“, and „Genesis“ 😂

DiSarli

2024-08-19 14:19:01 +0000 UTC

To get the whole impact of „Lower decks“ episode „First duty“ of season 5 would be required. Similarly for „Preemptive Strike“ knowing more about Ro Laren and her relationship with the crew would be good, but hey, great episodes nonetheless.

DiSarli

2024-08-19 14:16:54 +0000 UTC

It makes me very sad to know that Cassie will never get to meet Troi's mother, Lwaxana (And Gene Roddenberry's widow) and never get to see Picard poetically fighting for her 'love' from the bridge of the Enterprise.

Story Archer

2024-08-19 14:10:56 +0000 UTC

Resubsubcribed just to vote for sub rosa. The episode is... controversial in terms of its quality... but it is a Beverly-centric romance story, and if that's one of your favorite characters, worth checking out at some point.

Christopher Hawkins

2024-08-19 12:34:31 +0000 UTC

Yes this ☝️Hope she reads these messages!

Rainbow Dash

2024-08-19 12:11:29 +0000 UTC

Exactly! I think people are just picking what they liked versus what goes well with what Cassie has already seen and what she needs to see for the upcoming movies she’ll watch.

Rainbow Dash

2024-08-19 12:08:26 +0000 UTC

100 percent no

Dean Holt

2024-08-19 11:27:16 +0000 UTC

She would be better off watching Ghost again 😂😂. It’s a terrible episode Eye of the Beholder world be few better for her to see a bit of Romance.

Dean Holt

2024-08-19 11:26:25 +0000 UTC

Personally she’s would be better watching Parallels and Eye of the Beholder. Because they are both better episodes and also have the same thing people what her to watch Sub Rosa for.

Dean Holt

2024-08-19 11:22:51 +0000 UTC

I'm one of like 20 people who voted for Emergence 😭 I really like that episode!

Mr. Crowley

2024-08-19 11:08:03 +0000 UTC

I would unironically pick Sub Rosa over Journey's End. But what's really killing me is how well Pre-Emptive Strike is doing! It's the payoff to Ro Laren's story arc and she hasn't watched any of her episodes!

Mr. Crowley

2024-08-19 11:05:18 +0000 UTC

Sneakiest spoiler I've ever seen, Ike. Kudos.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-19 10:45:16 +0000 UTC

Agree 😂. They're both atrocious. I don't know what people are thinking.

ShazD

2024-08-19 09:20:27 +0000 UTC

Why would people hate Genesis? It's a great episode.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-19 07:07:32 +0000 UTC

And it undoes all the work they did to make Wesley likeable. It's a disastrous selection, and I don't say that lightly.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-19 07:05:08 +0000 UTC

Guys, it is literally painful to me that Gambit and Journey's End are doing so well. They are terrible episodes, while really good ones are lagging behind. Gambit is just plain boring and Journey's End.....Oh My Gosh, how has anyone voted for that? Of all the Wesley episodes, it's hands-down the worst and will make no sense to Cassie at all. Ah well, all the other polls have picked episodes I liked, while others have missed out on their favourites. I will try to remember that while screaming into my pillow.

Clarence Newman

2024-08-19 07:03:16 +0000 UTC

Guys! This is it! Only Cassie can decide if „Sub Rosa“ is a good episode or not! 😀 She is the chosen one! Let her watch it and we will know. All the reruns have brought us here

Sascha Kummer

2024-08-19 06:06:49 +0000 UTC

I agree, watching Ensign Ro would suffice, she doesn't need to watch every episode she was in. But yeah, she absolutely needs to watch The First Duty before Lower Decks.

p0sthum4n

2024-08-19 05:25:30 +0000 UTC

I disagree with the notion that Cassie needs to watch prior episodes to appreciate Preemptive Strike. It's a good episode on it's own. Much of the emotional resonance is lost if she doesn't know who Ensign Ro is, but not all of it, and what remains still makes it better than much of season 7. That said, if she does want to go back, she really only needs to watch the eponymous episode Ensign Ro to get like 90% of the emotional impact of Preemptive Strike. The other episodes flesh out here character, and I'd advocate for watching them, but Ensign Ro does a lot of the heavy lifting of introducing her character. After that, she doesn't get a ton of development again until Preemptive Strike.

Mike

2024-08-19 05:01:45 +0000 UTC

Voted earlier, but here are my picks: Lower Decks (The clear front runner and if she only watched 1 episode from this list, this would be my choice), Genesis (Just a fun monster mash), Firstborn (The last Worf episode), and Preemptive Strike (A good episode that loses some punch because some episodes have been missed). Thine Own Self and Journey's End I can understand, but there's a lot of pieces to Journey's End that Cassie has missed and would make it hard for me to vote for it. Best of luck, and don't worry, folks. TNG is almost over. ;) Engage!

Andrew Buel

2024-08-19 04:51:07 +0000 UTC

Agreed. It's also a boring episode.

p0sthum4n

2024-08-19 03:22:45 +0000 UTC

Agreed.

DragonConToddOfTheDiscerningGeeksPortalPodcast

2024-08-19 03:17:52 +0000 UTC

True. You’ll need to have some context for one of the guest characters in “Lower Decks.” In addition to that, “The First Duty” is a top 10 episode of TNG (even for being a Wesley episode). I’m sad it did not get picked in season 5.

DragonConToddOfTheDiscerningGeeksPortalPodcast

2024-08-19 03:17:21 +0000 UTC

Journeys end make zero sense. She has no idea who the traveller is. And the kid hasn't been seen for seasons and has maybe one fleeting scene in the morning movies.

rakesh

2024-08-19 02:41:42 +0000 UTC

I prefer people waste their votes a honey trap for them means more chance of good episodes for the rest of us.

rakesh

2024-08-19 02:39:08 +0000 UTC

I disagree!

rakesh

2024-08-19 02:37:38 +0000 UTC

The whole thing about TNG is that epsiodes are self contained. Yes there's a lot of backstory missing but preemptive strike can stand by itself. I hope she goes back but if not the epsiode by itself still works. I'd rather any ro then none and it will pay off if she does end up watching s3 of picard

rakesh

2024-08-19 02:34:29 +0000 UTC

Glad lower decks has it In the bag. Gonna go with preemptive strike, I can't believe we've missed ensign Ro on all these episodes and I'm still hoping that next year she'll watch s3 of Picard so Ro, make it so!

rakesh

2024-08-19 02:28:22 +0000 UTC

Cassie i would never suggest this... but you and Carly need to watch subrosa. This should be Carly's introduction to star trek.

ExploreWinnipeg

2024-08-19 02:06:01 +0000 UTC

The real question for this poll is if we vote for Cassie to watch Sub Rosa just so that she'll understand all the jokes and memes about it that get shared around the internet. LOL.

Mike Amandes

2024-08-19 01:43:04 +0000 UTC

Cassie, if Preemptive Strike makes the cut, you'll have some homework to do. You'll need to go back and get back story on Ensign Ro. S5: "Ensign Ro" - Important character introduction "Disaster" - moderate character progression, excellent episode "Conundrum" - moderate character progression, potential Cassie fav "Power Play" - minimal character progression, good episode "Cause And Effect" - basically no character progression, already watched "The Next Phase" - excellent character progression, excellent episode S6 "Rascals" S7 "Preemptive Strike"

David Collins

2024-08-19 01:23:27 +0000 UTC

I’d be OK with your idea. I didn’t vote for Preemptive Strike simply because the penultimate episode of the series is no time to introduce Cassie to a new (to her) character.

Jeff

2024-08-19 01:22:15 +0000 UTC

I agree! Why do people keep voting for it? What reactions have they been watching?

Randy

2024-08-19 01:21:29 +0000 UTC

OK, I voted for Genesis (surprised it seems to be lagging in the early vote), Thine Own Self and Masks (even though that is two Data-centric episodes back-to-back) and Lower Decks. Hoping that we don’t end up watching Journey’s End - as far as I’m concerned, Wesley Crusher’s journey should have ended in season 1. Picard’s initial view - No Children On The Bridge - was correct and Wesley’s time at Starfleet Academy proved that he never grew up.

Jeff

2024-08-19 01:17:56 +0000 UTC

You should watch S ub Rosa if only so you can say you saw the worst episode of Star Trek ever

Kevin Ryan

2024-08-19 01:17:29 +0000 UTC

Yes, agree, neither episode is worth a vote so the error shouldn’t make any difference.

Jeff

2024-08-19 01:05:28 +0000 UTC

She told us she catches episodes here and there on her own time. Perhaps she is already somewhat familiar with Ro.

Ortizmo2000

2024-08-19 00:57:16 +0000 UTC

If I were Cassie, I'd remove Preemptive Strike from the list, then go back and watch all the Ensign Ro episodes as its own little saga/mini-series event.

David Crabtree

2024-08-19 00:45:19 +0000 UTC

I would support that!

Rich H

2024-08-19 00:44:10 +0000 UTC

Agree with the popular opinion that you should go back to watch "The First Duty" before Lower Decks

Rich H

2024-08-19 00:42:37 +0000 UTC

If episode 15. Lower Decks makes it to the end (which I hope it does. It’s an excellent episode and gives a glimpse into other crew members lives outside the top officers), I think you need to go back and watch Season 5 Ep.19 First Duty to understand it’s full context Cassie. Even if it doesn’t make the cut, excellent episodes well worth a look if you ever find a need for more TNG episodes Cassie 😊

Robert da Spruce

2024-08-19 00:27:12 +0000 UTC

It makes no sense for her to watch Preemptive Strike, having seen none of the previous Ensign Ro episodes.

David Crabtree

2024-08-19 00:26:05 +0000 UTC

The 2nd half of season 7 isn’t much better than the first half. I voted for “Thine Own Self” (also another underrated Data episode, like “Inheritance” from the first half) and the obligatory “Lower Decks.” Selfishly, I also threw in a pity vote for “Sub Rosa.” I vaguely remember liking it. I was a teenager at the time though. I want to see it again to judge it as an adult, to see why some people hate it so badly.

DragonConToddOfTheDiscerningGeeksPortalPodcast

2024-08-19 00:21:54 +0000 UTC

“Firstborn” is listed twice, and “Bloodlines” is missing from the list. Neither one is great anyway, if I remember correctly.

DragonConToddOfTheDiscerningGeeksPortalPodcast

2024-08-19 00:15:48 +0000 UTC

As much as I love this show, the final season does feel like they were just using up previously rejected scripts.

Shad Kanyak

2024-08-19 00:15:28 +0000 UTC

“Sub Rosa” does have a morbid curiosity type of appeal, but Cassie shouldn’t waste the 4 voted episodes on watching it. Perhaps she will watch it on her own and mention it in a video, or include it as a “bonus” 5th episode for the last season. But there are so many better episodes to break the rules for than “Sub Rosa”. For example, I believe Cassie would ❤️ “A Fist Full of Data’s” from Season 6 — it’s such a shame that wasn’t chosen. Perhaps at the end of Season 7, we can convince Cassie to do another TNG poll to watch the best remaining episodes that she missed. Just 4 or 5 episodes from any season to round out her TNG journey.

Rod Reavern

2024-08-19 00:15:11 +0000 UTC

I know people hate Masks, Genesis and Emergence, but I taped them off the TV back when they first aired and I've always held a soft spot for them lol.

Keith

2024-08-19 00:10:31 +0000 UTC

After S7 is done, it would be cool to do a vote for 1 character focused episode per character. There were a lot of Riker and Geordi episodes skipped because they were great, but didn't quite make the cut.

Hat

2024-08-19 00:05:36 +0000 UTC

Preemptive Strike got my vote but Cassie has no idea who Ensign Ro is. Hopefully she gets it.

Hat

2024-08-19 00:04:24 +0000 UTC

She’s getting the TNG sampler. I feel that to walk out a fan you need to see the best episodes of an amazing show and one so laughable that we’re still mocking it 30 years later.

Ryan Fisher

2024-08-19 00:04:11 +0000 UTC

Better than The Drumhead and Best of Both Worlds combined. Doesn’t she agree?

Ryan Fisher

2024-08-19 00:01:30 +0000 UTC

She kinda has to in order to make sense of Picard

Kuskesh Haramzadeh

2024-08-18 23:48:42 +0000 UTC

I had the same thought as well along with Journeys End. I don't think she watched Where no one has gone before as well as The Wounded. I'm not sure it would make sense or have the same impact.

David Kent

2024-08-18 23:41:44 +0000 UTC

This is hard, second half of season 7 is a crap shoot, this is where they gave up and focused on the series finale...which is great. There are two episodes that are basically the same, and in turn mirror a movie. Hopefully the episodes from poll 1 win it all

Chris Retzlaff

2024-08-18 23:35:56 +0000 UTC

They’re some of my favourite episodes! Would be fun if she did them for scary but not too scary October

pound

2024-08-18 23:33:29 +0000 UTC

C’mon Sub Rosa! You want some salacious Beverly Crusher romance, Star Trek’s answer to the “bodice ripper” novel, this is the episode for you! 😏

Mitchell Bowker

2024-08-18 23:22:44 +0000 UTC

Looks like a jumping the shark type episode. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel. It reminds (that scene) of the worse MASH episode, Dreams. I may watch it myself and the entire series on Paramount or from my Blu Ray's.

Brian McGovern

2024-08-18 23:19:49 +0000 UTC

Also, have to echo some other comments — Cassie, you really need to watch S5 E19 "The First Duty" before watching Lower Decks, as it's a direct follow-up.

p0sthum4n

2024-08-18 23:18:47 +0000 UTC

Did Cassie ever meet Ensign Ro? I feel like the emotional weight of Preemptive Strike will be mostly lost on Cassie without the context of the Ro-Picard relationship. I don't remember if she watched The Wounded.

p0sthum4n

2024-08-18 23:17:39 +0000 UTC

I'd love her to go back and watch the Ensign Ro episodes.

David Crabtree

2024-08-18 23:17:13 +0000 UTC

I am curious why people are voting for preemptive strike, when she has seen none of the Ro back story. I actually like the episode, but I don’t think she would have any appreciation for it because she doesn’t know the character, and the episode centers on her.

Tom Furze

2024-08-18 23:09:56 +0000 UTC

Seriously, it's one of my favorites

Dustin Rumsey

2024-08-18 23:08:33 +0000 UTC

😅 it won't. I get a kick out of that one though

Dustin Rumsey

2024-08-18 23:07:42 +0000 UTC

For sure, she would appreciate ensign Ro and the the next phase at least, then getting to see the full arc with preemptive strike

Dustin Rumsey

2024-08-18 23:06:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah, it's that weird one, but over the years it's become quite a must-see just for the SBIG qualities.

PapaXan

2024-08-18 23:05:41 +0000 UTC

Should go back and see S5 E19 The First Duty before seeing S7E15 Lower Decks and I hope you do because they are both excellent

Jeff Vargas

2024-08-18 23:05:08 +0000 UTC

I know, why do that? The undisputed worst episodes in all of Star Trek are Sub Rosa and Eye of the Beholder.

Ike

2024-08-18 23:03:52 +0000 UTC

I was just thinking, is that one some people think is so bad it's actually good? 😅

Dustin Rumsey

2024-08-18 23:02:30 +0000 UTC

2nded

Ike

2024-08-18 23:01:18 +0000 UTC

There is a horrible (please don’t watch this one) episode missing from the list. After “S7E21 First Born” - which is correct, it goes S7E22 Bloodlines (missing) S7E23 Emergence S7E24 Preemptive Strike

Ike

2024-08-18 22:58:45 +0000 UTC

Definitely not one I want to see her watch.

Athan Immortal

2024-08-18 22:56:25 +0000 UTC

Lower Decks! Lower Decks! Lower Decks!

Athan Immortal

2024-08-18 22:55:57 +0000 UTC

Ah, Sub Rosa. Time to see if Cassie gets trolled or not.

PapaXan

2024-08-18 22:54:59 +0000 UTC

Journeys End is a snoozefest

ShazD

2024-08-18 22:50:26 +0000 UTC

I voted for it because I think she will love it 😂

ShazD

2024-08-18 22:49:45 +0000 UTC

I don't think I'd actually choose anything from the second half of season 2. Attached, Parallels, The Pegasus and Gambit are the strongest episodes from S7, and all from the first half. Pre-emptive strike is great as well, but not if Cassie hasn't watched any other episodes with Ro Laren.

Tony Andarian

2024-08-18 22:49:38 +0000 UTC

First Born twice?

2-Can

2024-08-18 22:49:37 +0000 UTC

- Lower Decks - Thine Own Self … that’s it. All Good Things, then we’re off to chop wood.

Ike

2024-08-18 22:48:00 +0000 UTC

EP 21 repeated and EP 22 missing?

Chris H

2024-08-18 22:47:34 +0000 UTC

As much as I love Ro Laren's character, I have to agree. It's a shame, because several of the Ro episodes are among the strongest in the series.

Tony Andarian

2024-08-18 22:46:23 +0000 UTC

It's the "Skyler White singing JFK's sexy happy birthday song to Ted Beneke" of Star Trek episodes

Dan

2024-08-18 22:44:06 +0000 UTC

i feel like Genesis would be really nice, because Cassie never watched any of the horror/scary episodes and doesn't even know about that aspect of the show

Kharak

2024-08-18 22:41:02 +0000 UTC

The number of people trolling with Sub Rosa is unreal! 🤣🤣🤣

MrTickleTrunk

2024-08-18 22:40:27 +0000 UTC

My votes for the final 4 episodes of Season 7 (and the very last 4 before we wraps this up folks) are: Attached Parallels (it helps to avoid any confusion in All Good Things if you know what I’m talking about for our fair lady) The Pegasus Lower Decks

Anthony Carlson

2024-08-18 22:37:24 +0000 UTC

Lower Decks and Thine own self should be watched.

David Kent

2024-08-18 22:36:05 +0000 UTC

There’s no point in Preemptive Strike. She’s never watched a single Ro Laren episode. Sure it deals with Cardassians and DS9 stuff. But that episode is mostly about Picard and Ro Laren. It would be like her watching Family without watching Best of Both Worlds or Lessons without Inner Light. Makes no sense 🤷🏼‍♂️

Randy

2024-08-18 22:35:33 +0000 UTC

If lower decks makes it I hope Cassie will watch The First Duty beforehand. I mean the episode stands on its own but is made better I feel by the history between Picard and Sito

Seven Coughlin

2024-08-18 22:34:14 +0000 UTC

The better episodes are in the first poll. I like Thine Own Self on this poll.

Mike LL

2024-08-18 22:33:51 +0000 UTC

She should skip all other episodes from this season and only watch Sub Rosa to wrap this all up.

Stranger2Reality

2024-08-18 22:33:48 +0000 UTC

Lower Decks!

Wes

2024-08-18 22:33:20 +0000 UTC

This is not the strongest run of episodes, but Thine Own Self should not be overlooked. Probably the only Data episode in contention for a top 4 spot.

Pickupthepieces76

2024-08-18 22:33:18 +0000 UTC

Even though it's the worst episode of the entire show lol

MrTickleTrunk

2024-08-18 22:32:46 +0000 UTC

RIP to the great Alain Delon August 18th 2024

Thomas Thompson

2024-08-18 22:32:40 +0000 UTC

Please not Sub Rosa. Even for a laugh.

SJB

2024-08-18 22:32:38 +0000 UTC

Never seen the final season but there is one episode I hope does not make it and I think it was in the final season. Without trying to spoil anything, seasoned veterans of the show may know which one I refer to, but let me just say that " they serve up a slice of Deanna Troi. "

Brian McGovern

2024-08-18 22:32:23 +0000 UTC

Lower Decks is a must I feel. Really shows the dynamic and separation of the senior staff from the lower deckers

Seven Coughlin

2024-08-18 22:32:12 +0000 UTC

Gotta be Sub Rosa.

Ryan Fisher

2024-08-18 22:31:38 +0000 UTC

Note to Cassie: Votes for “Sub Rosa” are trolling.🤞 Watch at your own cringe.😱

Rod Reavern

2024-08-18 22:31:16 +0000 UTC

Firstborn is a nice coda to the Klingon stuff, plus good family content for Worf, and it reintroduces certain Klingon sisters before Generations.

Andrew Golledge

2024-08-18 22:30:03 +0000 UTC

Really hope "Lower Decks" gets in - an underrated episode, and a nice follow-up to "The First Duty" from Season 5.

Cliff Endicott

2024-08-18 22:29:52 +0000 UTC

If you watch "Sub Rosa", you'll understand certain memes.

Brandon Pierce

2024-08-18 22:29:00 +0000 UTC

Awesome Cass

Neil Varma

2024-08-18 22:28:44 +0000 UTC

I wonder if Cassie has ever seen the Family Guy episode that featured guest appearances from the entire Star Trek Next Generation cast? If she hasn't, it might make a great reaction after watching the final STNG episode.

JONATHAN REDFERN WILLIAMS

2024-08-18 22:28:44 +0000 UTC

I went Lower Decks

Sean

2024-08-18 22:28:01 +0000 UTC

ST TNG S7 Poll 2 of 2

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Good analysis, Clay. Like I said, I don't dislike Michelle Forbes in any other role. Ro just didn't do it for me.

I believe the word "quirky" was invented for that episode.

Yes, First Duty (good episode) would provide context but not absolutely necessary.

Lower Decks is a great little episode. Yes, it would be nice for Cassie to watch First Duty so she could have the context of one of the characters, but I think the episode will stand up fine on its own.

It's a poor end to Wesley. They did so well to build him up in Final Mission, The Game and First Duty (where he finally showed he was just like the rest of us, faults and all), then did him dirty in Journey's End.

The revenge was also also such a pretty cutie pie 😂

It was actually impressive with how few appearances Ro (and the actress) made quite a big impression and fit in quite well while still keeping a certain distance.

Maybe she could watch „First Duty“ of Season 5 on her own before „Lower Decks“ for context/background. Next to „Inner Light“ the episode „Lower Decks“ impacted me emotionally the most among all TNG episodes.

Yes Preemptive Strike is totally unnecessary for this channel but otherwise an episode a TNG fan couldn’t really miss. A shame since this shows a fatherly/mentoring side of Picard which… doesn’t end well.

I voted Lower Decks, which will likely be one of the four to win the S7 final poll. Lower Decks will have less context b/c unneeded episode The Drumhead (excellent) being chosen over The Wounded, and uneeded episodes Darmok and Cause and Effect (both excellent) being chosen over Ensign Ro.

You duplicated episode 21: First born, and skipped Episode 22: Bloodlines.

Very true. I wish we could nominate some episodes that should be watched. I would love to see a reaction to Face of the Enemy. It's a shame that others characters didn't get episodes to shine.

Yes, I’m also disappointed we never got to experience her with Cassie. Just too many great episodes to choose from. (But at least we got to see her make soup for Spock in “Amok Time”)

This is the first TNG poll I have disagreed with the voting. For me it’s: Sub Rosa, not a great one, but Cassie would love it. Masks, for a great performance from Brent Spiner. ( but wouldn’t make my final four) Genesis: because I love that episode.

With the exception of “Lower Decks” and “All Good Things”, I’d say the better episodes this time are clustered in the first half of the season. I do hope Lower Decks makes it through.

If you don’t want to miss TNG much you should definitely go for „Sub Rosa“, „Masks“, and „Genesis“ 😂

To get the whole impact of „Lower decks“ episode „First duty“ of season 5 would be required. Similarly for „Preemptive Strike“ knowing more about Ro Laren and her relationship with the crew would be good, but hey, great episodes nonetheless.

It makes me very sad to know that Cassie will never get to meet Troi's mother, Lwaxana (And Gene Roddenberry's widow) and never get to see Picard poetically fighting for her 'love' from the bridge of the Enterprise.

Resubsubcribed just to vote for sub rosa. The episode is... controversial in terms of its quality... but it is a Beverly-centric romance story, and if that's one of your favorite characters, worth checking out at some point.

Yes this ☝️Hope she reads these messages!

Exactly! I think people are just picking what they liked versus what goes well with what Cassie has already seen and what she needs to see for the upcoming movies she’ll watch.

100 percent no

She would be better off watching Ghost again 😂😂. It’s a terrible episode Eye of the Beholder world be few better for her to see a bit of Romance.

Personally she’s would be better watching Parallels and Eye of the Beholder. Because they are both better episodes and also have the same thing people what her to watch Sub Rosa for.

I'm one of like 20 people who voted for Emergence 😭 I really like that episode!

I would unironically pick Sub Rosa over Journey's End. But what's really killing me is how well Pre-Emptive Strike is doing! It's the payoff to Ro Laren's story arc and she hasn't watched any of her episodes!

Sneakiest spoiler I've ever seen, Ike. Kudos.

Agree 😂. They're both atrocious. I don't know what people are thinking.

Why would people hate Genesis? It's a great episode.

And it undoes all the work they did to make Wesley likeable. It's a disastrous selection, and I don't say that lightly.

Guys! This is it! Only Cassie can decide if „Sub Rosa“ is a good episode or not! 😀 She is the chosen one! Let her watch it and we will know. All the reruns have brought us here

I agree, watching Ensign Ro would suffice, she doesn't need to watch every episode she was in. But yeah, she absolutely needs to watch The First Duty before Lower Decks.

Agreed. It's also a boring episode.

Agreed.

True. You’ll need to have some context for one of the guest characters in “Lower Decks.” In addition to that, “The First Duty” is a top 10 episode of TNG (even for being a Wesley episode). I’m sad it did not get picked in season 5.

Journeys end make zero sense. She has no idea who the traveller is. And the kid hasn't been seen for seasons and has maybe one fleeting scene in the morning movies.

I prefer people waste their votes a honey trap for them means more chance of good episodes for the rest of us.

I disagree!

Glad lower decks has it In the bag. Gonna go with preemptive strike, I can't believe we've missed ensign Ro on all these episodes and I'm still hoping that next year she'll watch s3 of Picard so Ro, make it so!

Cassie i would never suggest this... but you and Carly need to watch subrosa. This should be Carly's introduction to star trek.

The real question for this poll is if we vote for Cassie to watch Sub Rosa just so that she'll understand all the jokes and memes about it that get shared around the internet. LOL.

I’d be OK with your idea. I didn’t vote for Preemptive Strike simply because the penultimate episode of the series is no time to introduce Cassie to a new (to her) character.

I agree! Why do people keep voting for it? What reactions have they been watching?

You should watch S ub Rosa if only so you can say you saw the worst episode of Star Trek ever

Yes, agree, neither episode is worth a vote so the error shouldn’t make any difference.

She told us she catches episodes here and there on her own time. Perhaps she is already somewhat familiar with Ro.

If I were Cassie, I'd remove Preemptive Strike from the list, then go back and watch all the Ensign Ro episodes as its own little saga/mini-series event.

I would support that!

Agree with the popular opinion that you should go back to watch "The First Duty" before Lower Decks

It makes no sense for her to watch Preemptive Strike, having seen none of the previous Ensign Ro episodes.

“Firstborn” is listed twice, and “Bloodlines” is missing from the list. Neither one is great anyway, if I remember correctly.

As much as I love this show, the final season does feel like they were just using up previously rejected scripts.

I know people hate Masks, Genesis and Emergence, but I taped them off the TV back when they first aired and I've always held a soft spot for them lol.

After S7 is done, it would be cool to do a vote for 1 character focused episode per character. There were a lot of Riker and Geordi episodes skipped because they were great, but didn't quite make the cut.

Preemptive Strike got my vote but Cassie has no idea who Ensign Ro is. Hopefully she gets it.

She’s getting the TNG sampler. I feel that to walk out a fan you need to see the best episodes of an amazing show and one so laughable that we’re still mocking it 30 years later.

Better than The Drumhead and Best of Both Worlds combined. Doesn’t she agree?

She kinda has to in order to make sense of Picard

I had the same thought as well along with Journeys End. I don't think she watched Where no one has gone before as well as The Wounded. I'm not sure it would make sense or have the same impact.

This is hard, second half of season 7 is a crap shoot, this is where they gave up and focused on the series finale...which is great. There are two episodes that are basically the same, and in turn mirror a movie. Hopefully the episodes from poll 1 win it all

They’re some of my favourite episodes! Would be fun if she did them for scary but not too scary October

C’mon Sub Rosa! You want some salacious Beverly Crusher romance, Star Trek’s answer to the “bodice ripper” novel, this is the episode for you! 😏

Looks like a jumping the shark type episode. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel. It reminds (that scene) of the worse MASH episode, Dreams. I may watch it myself and the entire series on Paramount or from my Blu Ray's.

Also, have to echo some other comments — Cassie, you really need to watch S5 E19 "The First Duty" before watching Lower Decks, as it's a direct follow-up.

Did Cassie ever meet Ensign Ro? I feel like the emotional weight of Preemptive Strike will be mostly lost on Cassie without the context of the Ro-Picard relationship. I don't remember if she watched The Wounded.

I'd love her to go back and watch the Ensign Ro episodes.

I am curious why people are voting for preemptive strike, when she has seen none of the Ro back story. I actually like the episode, but I don’t think she would have any appreciation for it because she doesn’t know the character, and the episode centers on her.

Seriously, it's one of my favorites

😅 it won't. I get a kick out of that one though

For sure, she would appreciate ensign Ro and the the next phase at least, then getting to see the full arc with preemptive strike

Yeah, it's that weird one, but over the years it's become quite a must-see just for the SBIG qualities.

Should go back and see S5 E19 The First Duty before seeing S7E15 Lower Decks and I hope you do because they are both excellent

I know, why do that? The undisputed worst episodes in all of Star Trek are Sub Rosa and Eye of the Beholder.

I was just thinking, is that one some people think is so bad it's actually good? 😅

2nded

There is a horrible (please don’t watch this one) episode missing from the list. After “S7E21 First Born” - which is correct, it goes S7E22 Bloodlines (missing) S7E23 Emergence S7E24 Preemptive Strike

Definitely not one I want to see her watch.

Lower Decks! Lower Decks! Lower Decks!