Once Upon a Time | 7x19
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there are 3 more! wow, what a long journey π₯²
Miguelito
2025-01-26 13:11:07 +0000 UTCAlmost to the end of this wild ride - can't wait to see your reaction to the final 3!! (Also - it was a while ago that they mentioned it - but remember Tilly was born from other Hook and Gothel hooking up, so that's why Gothel meant by 'I'm your mother'). Another thought that I didn't realize until watching this again with you...Gothel wasn't in another world in the flashbacks - She was IN our world (Land w/o magic). Her flashback basically shows why we don't have magic in this world anymore and when she said she 'exterminated all humanity' she really meant it. We can safely assume that when she says after that "they always evolve and come back," this is telling us that her flashback is long before what we know of humanity in history today. There was another time when humanity had real magic, but they destroyed it all and ultimately themselves. (This is just a head canon, but it makes a lot of sense to me.) Basically, this head canon explains why Gothel's goal seems so confusing and simple. Because it is. Her goal is to exterminate humanity AGAIN. She told her coven sister that they would wipe out humanity again for good once they found all the coven. She really is just a big human hater!π
Gehazi Whitehurst
2025-01-25 19:53:17 +0000 UTCFlower Child- Wow!! We are getting so close to the end, and so much is at stake!! And so much has now been revealed!!! Absolutely fabulous!! Thank you so very much for such a marvelous reaction to one of my absolute favorite episodes of Once Upon a Time, Travis!! And not just from this season, but throughout this show in its entirety! Just as I feel about each of these final four episodes!! I absolutely love, love, love them!! I loved watching your reaction for this episode!! :) So, going into watching this episode for the very first time... I was really excited to watch it, because from the promo for this episode, back when this episode first aired live on television, I knew this episode would be mostly centered around Rogers and Tilly, as well as Mother Gothel too. And I'm so happy to say that this episode certainly didnβt disappointment me. I hate watching promos and trailers for shows and movies nowadays because they are far too spoilery, and therefore I try to avoid them all as much as possible. However, I still watched the promos for the upcoming episodes for Once Upon a Time back then, which is the main reason why I can't watch any promos and trailers now. Because the promos and other internet spoilers particularly for this season alone of Once Upon a Time, were far too spoilery. But with all this aside... Like I've mentioned before, these final four episodes of Once Upon a Time are absolutely phenomenal! :) First, I will start with Mother Gothel and her reasons for becoming the "villain" she has become... I absolutely love, love, love Mother Gothel as this season's main villain, and as a villain throughout this entire show too! She's one of my favorite villains for sure! I absolutely understand why Gothel doesn't see herself as a villain. Because in her eyes, all of humanity are villains, because we humans are destructive to nature and because we are cruel. It is so true. Especially today. So, in Gothel's eyes, we are the villains, and therefore... Mother Gothel's desire is to see all of humanity purged from the Earth once and for all. And this is exactly what she's doing now with the help of her sister witches and Alice, as they are casting a spell to purge all of humanity from the Earth once and for all. And I love her plan! Absolutely fantastic and villainous, even if we can sympathize with her. Which I certainly do. However, not all of humanity are evil. Including our heroes who are fighting for their survival against Mother Gothel's wrath. And this is what does make Gothel the true villain of this season, because she cannot see that not all of humanity are evil. Because there are also many innocent and good people alive at this time as well. Of course, it's tragic that Gothel's family are all killed by the people living back in her land and time. And I absolutely understand why she quickly rises up to deeply hate all those responsible for killing them, as well as each of those who bullied her. But people every day are being bullied by others, and even the cruelty of a few is no reason to hate all of humanity. Gothel most certainly takes her hatred of these few humans responsible, and takes her hatred of them to the extreme. With this being said, and to be fair to the fantasy that is Once Upon a Time... I absolutely understand why Gothel becomes evil and kills all those at the party, despite some of them being innocent. And it is also why I love her character so much! I love that she is Mother Nature, having been born a tree nymph. Fantastical creatures that we've never yet seen in Once Upon a Time before. And I love it! But for her to hate all of humanity... It is just a bit too extreme. And now she wants to purge the Earth of all humans. So not good! I really do quite love Gothel's overall backstory. I love that she's a tree nymph, and how she comes to see herself as Mother of all and mother of all magic... Mother Gothel. As for the present storyline... I have a couple of minor pet peeves. I don't care much about Gothel casting a mind spell over the desk Sergeant, and her using him to help her do her bidding. To me... It seems out of place to me for him to even be involved in this episode at all. I've always felt that his character has been out of place, given that he isn't one of our fairy tale characters brought over to Hyperion Heights in Gothel's curse. This desk sergeant is just here, with no real purpose. So, it's a little strange for him to be involved in this episode's storyline. But I do appreciate that he helps Gothel to lure Rogers into the trap he and Alice fall into. Also... I love that Mother Gothel's powers are slowly growing as the events occur throughout these final episodes! Just like Facilier's magic has also slowly been growing stronger and stronger too. I just can't help but wonder why Gothel hasn't been shown to use these mind manipulation powers before in order to get everyone to do whatever she asks of them, or possibly to make anyone forget whatever she might need them to forget? Seems like a very helpful power. Also... To me, the brief moment between Gothel and Margot is kind of boring too, and I just don't care much for it at all. I understand that Gothel needs Margot's blood because she is Tilly's new love, and that Gothel needs blood from her daughter's new love... along with some old blood, which she gets from Rogers/Wish Hook because he's Alice's father and their bond has been strong all along even without their memories... Which I absolutely love. My only other very minor disappointments with this episode, which aren't really real disappoints... I'm sad neither Regina nor Weaver are in this episode. But I understand why their characters aren't necessary to this episode, and it's a tiny detail I can easily overlook. It's just sad that they're not in this episode, given that it is the last of four within the entire show, and therefore them being missing feels unfair to their characters. Now, onto what I absolutely love about this episode... I actually quite enjoy the small storyline between Lucy and Facilier, even despite my disappointments with Facilier's character not turning out to be as villainous as I expected of him to be, and whom I hoped he would become in the second half of this season. And strangely enough... I do feel he is actually genuine in wanting to help Regina and Lucy to cure Henry, which really quite surprises me. He may have other reasons for doing certain things that aren't so good. But at least he wants the curse to be broken as much as everyone else. And now... He has finally cured Henry!!! I am super excited by this! And I like how he uses the pieces of Ella's glass slipper to do it. An item that symbolizes Henry's and Ella's love for one another. Although, I do find it a bit strange that Jacinda has mysteriously had the rest of the glass slipper all along. But... Oh well. I also quite like the friendship, or bonding between Gothel and Seraphina, the first young woman and witch to join Gothel's coven. I like and really appreciate how this episode reveals at least one of the witches' backstories within the coven. Sadly, there aren't enough episodes left to find out who the rest of the witches within the coven are, but... C'est la vie. Even more so... I am actually beyond happy that True Love's Kiss between Henry and Jacinda doesn't actually work to break the curse, like this season has led us to believe all along. Only because I thought their kiss of True Love was far too obvious and cliche. And because I just don't feel the chemistry between their characters and their actors either. So, I've always wanted this curse to be broken in a different way. And now... I am definitely excited for what's to come, and boy is all to come so exciting!!! The answers to all of your questions, including why the curse isn't yet broken, will soon be answered. Just you wait, Travis! :) And now, as for what all I absolutely love, love, love about this episode.... I love, love, love the overall story arc between Rogers and Tilly most of all, of course!!!! In each of these final episodes! Their moments together before they are both kidnapped are really sweet and beautiful. And I absolutely love that it is finally revealed to them both that they are father and daughter!! And I love, love, love that they both have now come to believe and feel that it's true! Of course, Tilly knows that Gothel is her mother too, and she comes to believe this is so rather quickly too, which is so good. And it is so satisfying to see Tilly reject her when Gothel tries to be a "mother" to Tilly, who sees right through her lies. Even before she's come to remember everything Gothel has done to her and her father. I absolutely love this! :) In answer to your question regarding whether or not we knew Gothel is Alice's mother... The answer is yes. If you remember back to this season's seventh episode, titled... Eloise Gardener, it's in this episode that Gothel seduces Wish Hook while disguised as Rapunzel, before she escapes from the tower. And in doing so, with the help from a magic flower from her garden, Gothel is able to give birth to a child whom she can leave trapped inside of the tower in her place. This child is Alice. Her mother being Gothel is why Alice had been trapped inside the tower for the first fourteen or so years of her life, it's why Wish Hook's heart is poisoned, and it's why Wish Hook and Alice are forced to be apart. Because of Gothel, who is angry with Wish Hook for rejecting her and for choosing to stay behind in the tower to raise their child. Finally... I absolutely love, love, love Rogers' and Tilly's abduction, and the entire storyline of the coven, as they force Tilly to become one of them by threatening Rogers, as she fights to protect her father!!!! And I love, love, love how Rogers pleads with Tilly not to do as Gothel wants of her, as any good and loving father would for the sake of his child, and yet I love that Tilly can't let her mother kill him either! I love, love, love their relationship, and truly being able to see the belief that they are father and daughter within their eyes and facial expressions throughout this season!! All thanks to Colin O'Donoghue and Rose Reynolds both being such incredible actors!! You can see that they truly do love one another, and that they feel they are father and daughter. What fabulous chemistry these two actors, as well as their characters, have together! Oh... And I absolutely love Gothel's line to Tilly about her having been born from both sides of the looking glass! Both from hers and from her father's, as Mother Gothel is magical, whereas Wish Hook is just human. These words are poetically and beautifully spoken. Such good writing in this episode!! And lastly... We learn that Mother Gothel had not only once wiped out all of humanity through her magic once before, but we also learn that she is in fact... the oldest character throughout all of Once Upon a Time that we meet. As we learn that the events shown through Gothel's backstory all occurred thousands of years earlier. It's revealed that Mother Gothel is a tree nymph and that their existence is eternal. And this is amazing! Up until now, we've believed few other characters such as Rumple, Pan, the Black Fairy, as well as the Blue Fairy to be the oldest characters. Nope! Not even close. Mother Gothel and Serphina are the oldest, along with the rest of the sisters within their coven. This episode also reveals how our world comes to be a land without magic, thanks to the humans within this episode destroyed Gothel's family garden, which we see the remains of within the present day storyline, where Gothel and her coven are holding Rogers and Tilly prisoner down inside the caves and tunnels beneath Hyperion Heights. So brilliant!! I absolutely love, love, love all of the revelations revealed throughout this episode!! :) Thank you so much for another phenomenal and fun reaction for Once Upon a Time, Travis!!! I loved watching this reaction from you! Thank you, my dear friend!! Sincerely, Heidi
Heidi Elizabeth Marcum
2025-01-25 18:32:37 +0000 UTC
