Pretty Little Liars | 1x4
Added 2024-09-27 15:00:14 +0000 UTCno spoilers in comments pls :)
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Grooming has a definition separate and apart from the definition of manipulation. "This new generation" didn't change anything...doctors, psych professionals and social workers started actually teaching people the terms for what was already happening to them. And the fact you wanna blame a generation just coming up for something that 1) you don't understand and 2) we did not do is fucking ridiculous. Do you understand that? It's weird behavior. All of your behavior has been insane this entire time and everybody sees it. Just fyi. Also the claim that you didn't know any teenagers or young people watching this show geared towards teenagers makes me question your honesty and/or your awareness of the world around you. The fact that you didn't know any young person watching this show meant for young people is incredibly hard to believe and even if you didn't know them directly you must have seen us all online as this show was literally written for us and we were avidly talking about it everywhere. It's just weird
Lina D
2024-10-30 06:28:03 +0000 UTCThere are answers. But a lot of them
Rachel McConnell
2024-10-06 03:19:43 +0000 UTCOkay, if you use the word grooming, I’m tried of the general public using that word. I prefer to use manipulation but this new generation wants to check every word for another. That’s my preference. You want to use it then use it. I don’t like it, that’s me. Do you, Boo. 🙂
Kimberley83
2024-10-06 02:22:28 +0000 UTCRight, so I don't know that you understood what I was saying so allow me to clarify. If you want to talk to someone who chose to use the word grooming regarding this show instead of speaking into the ether, you can address me to my face. That is not me saying you were directing your comment at me, but rather me telling you that you should so that It can be a conversation rather than you just having an opinion or belief without talking to someone of the other viewpoint. Also, I'm not sure what "wasn't differently aimed at you" means so if you can clarify that'd be lovely.
Lina D
2024-10-06 00:15:01 +0000 UTCHello, Doll. Grooming is a word that is frequently used as of 2024 so if you took it personally that’s on you. Rape Scenes: Has a survivor I can say if the storyteller/director think they need to show it to show how terrible someone is then no I don’t have a problem. I personally love the way Game of Thrones did it, they focused of Theon and Sansa’s faces and the sounds. The only tv shows/movies I don’t like are movies/tv shows regarding slavery as a Black American. I know the history, I don’t need to see it. I don’t watch and constantly complain about it because guess what, I don’t watch it to begin with. This is interesting conversation so let me know if you want to continue by inserting yourself in a comment that wasn’t differently aimed at you. Have a lovely day other wise. 🙂
Kimberley83
2024-10-04 13:16:26 +0000 UTCIf you want to address someone in particular who has said "grooming" you can address me to my face, doll. We like DIRECT communication around here. Let me ask... do you also not like when people point out r*pe scene that happen in a fake show or are those perfectly fine and don't count too? Gross bad shit happens in TV, and people are allowed to comment on it even if it's fake. Just because something is fake for a show, doesn't make it okay. That's a bad take.
Lina D
2024-10-04 10:45:49 +0000 UTCOh okay I was confused haha. Enjoy !
Travis Manning
2024-10-04 05:12:34 +0000 UTCI was just saying Hi at the beginning because I’m new on your page.
Kimberley83
2024-10-04 05:08:23 +0000 UTCNo, not at you at all. I was reading comments and I kept seeing the word grooming. I’m enjoying your viewing, you don’t constantly complain about a fake show. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Kimberley83
2024-10-04 05:07:35 +0000 UTCNot sure if this is directed to me or someone else but I don’t recall saying that ? 🤔
Travis Manning
2024-10-03 23:49:48 +0000 UTCHello, new to the page. It was must the 41 year old in me because I hate the word groomed being used regarding a television show. I watched when the show was airing and I knew no child or teenager watching this show. My 80s baby brain allows me to separate real from reel. 🤷🏾♀️
Kimberley83
2024-10-03 23:37:12 +0000 UTCIt's funny because I thought Aria was being more mature than Ezra lol. I hate how much chemistry Lucy and Ian have and how hot they both are because the whole Ezra and Aria thing is just so gross. And Wren is gross too but at least he's not Spencer's teacher I guess. And Alison was indeed a bitch but she was right in advising Aria to tell her mum the truth.
Heida
2024-10-01 17:43:47 +0000 UTCYou're not wrong for having a problem with fucked up relationships. You're wrong for how you're expressing yourself in this moment. You're wrong for making it seem like Travis said or did something that he did not say and for continuing to try to make Sikozu feel a certain way about her own experiences. You're wrong for saying that our reaction is in defense of the relationships when so many of us have been harmed or experienced grooming and/or SA. You're wrong for a whole lot in this moment NONE OF WHICH is your stance about the relationships between minors and adults in this show. And the fact that this is your response? Continuing to make it seem like somehow you're the only one who is not okay with predatory behavior when that is so very clearly not the case THIS is what people are reacting to.
Lina D
2024-10-01 16:59:03 +0000 UTCYou're wrong for misconstruing MY words and claiming I have opinions or feelings that I don't. As someone that was SA'd as a young child MYSELF - IT'S EXTREMELY disrespectful.
Travis Manning
2024-10-01 16:34:10 +0000 UTCI don't understand how this is people's reaction. Like, how am I in the wrong for thinking grown men shouldn't pursue teenagers? How? I'm sorry, but if wanting to protect children/teenagers from predators is the *wrong* stance, then there's something seriously wrong with the world. Since when did this become accepted/tolerated? *That's* the disturbing thing here. But sure, I'm in the wrong for not being okay with predatory relationships.
kalindiinga28
2024-10-01 16:27:00 +0000 UTCCan you fucking cool it? Honestly, it's absurd at this point.
Lina D
2024-10-01 01:10:20 +0000 UTCDo you think you are accomplishing something telling me I was brainwashed and manipulated? Like what is your goal here? Like do you want me to have some traumatic breakthrough? Because your line of comments is just super weird. Normal person would say 'this was your life experience but you cannot apply it to others' and move on. You seem to be just so determined to win this argument it is almost disturbing. I will assuage your worries. I am not a parent and not planning to be a parent. But also if my hypothetical child at 15 trusted me enough and had good enough relationship to tell me they are in a relationship with someone in their early 20s? Yeah I could really think of a lot worse things to happen to my hypothetical child. I could verify if they share any common hobbies/interest to judge if this is actual relationship of if they are being used and advise them on such. And if the partner was in position of authority I would report their ass. (But if said child was anything like me at that age? I would probably live in blissful ignorance unless I would just put a ton of spy stuff in said child phone. Because for mid 2000s? We had a iron-clad system to cover each other asses in my friends group including very advanced for the year call forwarding from one of the home phones to a cellphone and most of us were just sneaking off when the household was asleep with duplicate key sets anyway. )
Sikozu
2024-09-30 23:27:24 +0000 UTCLike I said, basing your life on what the law says is okay is a messed up way to live. Just because the AOC in your country is 15, it still doesn't mean its morally okay for adults to pursue teenagers. 15 is a teenager/child. You also must realise AOC laws are pretty much universally decided by men, right? Men who want it to be okay for adults like themselves to sleep with children/teenagers. Again: at one point law said it was perfectly acceptable for grown men to marry 12-year-olds. The law is very clearly NOT a reliable guide for what is morally acceptable. You sound like you've been brainwashed into thinking what you went through was perfectly fine. It wasn't. 15 is a child, and the adults who pursued you were definitely predators who shouldn't have been anywhere near you. I'm sorry you've been manipulated into thinking otherwise. I also dread to think if you have children, if you'd allow adults to pursue them at 15 just because the law says it's okay. That's a major red flag as a parent.
kalindiinga28
2024-09-30 22:43:59 +0000 UTCYou do know people have vastly different life experiences and if this series is in some way traumatic FOR YOU maybe you should not be rewatching it? I am not defending those relationships, I find fault in writers because yes presenting them all as viable romances does open a lot of young people to situation they are not mature enough to handle. But saying at 18 a magic switch flips and you become an adult? Or maybe we are not adults in 18? if so when? at 20? 21? 25? Where does everyone's experience makes them mature enough to make their own decisions in your moral view? For reference my country AOC is 15. And no I was not a child at 15 and you implying I should see myself as such is to be honest offensive to me personally. You do not know me but you judge my life and my maturity.
Sikozu
2024-09-30 22:34:07 +0000 UTCYeah, this comment isn't it. Basing your morality on laws is a pretty messed up way to live your life. Just because some old guys decided a long time ago that 16 was the age that it's okay for teenagers to sleep with people, doesn't mean that it's actually morally okay. It used to be legal for grown men to marry 12-year-olds. Does that make it morally okay? No. You were definitely abused. No grown adult should ever pursue a teenager. Just because you've been made to feel like you shouldn't see yourself as a victim, it doesn't mean that you aren't one. You were a child. You were a teenager. You were someone who should never have been seen as an equal by fully grown adults. 16 is a child. It's not infantilizing to call a spade a spade. Also, no. The aria/ezra thing isn't like employee/boss, because normally the employees aren't literal children. They would be an adult, just like the boss. Please, stop with this weird justification of adults pursuing teenagers. It's wrong, point blank. How on earth did something that should be black and white become so debatable? Adults should always stay away from purusing anyone that isn't also an adult. It's really that simple.
kalindiinga28
2024-09-30 21:46:47 +0000 UTCI think there is a diffeerence between how you are saying 'encouraging' and 'fuck it might as well' type of comment. This will be overshare but who cares. I was 'mature' teen. I could get served alcohol without getting carded at 15. I hooked up with guys 10-15 years older than me, most who assumed I was at least 18 (because I was sitting in a bar with friends and some sad beers and our drinking age was 18). I never felt victimized, abused or traumatized. So I actually relate a lot to Spencer. Kind of idealizing older guys as also more mature then our peers. I usually advise everyone to stick to the half+7 rule so yeah 16-23 would be too large gap for it. But also infantilizing the character because she is 16? Pretty sure it is over the age of consent in most states so she is free to pursue her romantic partners how she sees fit, and as long as the advance is not unwelcome (and she clearly enjoys Wren's attention) I really find it hard to care. The fact that Troian is 24 and looks 24 and is only what 2 years younger than Julian? Yeah not helping feeling that age gap as well. The Aria/Ezra scenario is problematic in a same way the hookup between boss and employee could be. There is power in play, there is potential quid pro quo. There are other people who are getting impacted by that power imbalance relationship. This is also breach of trust in his position. So no the scenarios are absolutely not equivalent.
Sikozu
2024-09-30 21:42:18 +0000 UTCThere were not moments where Travis encouraged it there were moments where you misinterpreted what was being said. Because at absolutely no point did Travis ever even once say, suggest, imply, think, hint at or believe that Wren and Spencer should be an item. The issue here is that you're not interpreting what Travis is actually saying properly and because you're not interpreting it properly you're responding to things that never happened. and it's getting exhausting for everybody.
Lina D
2024-09-30 20:53:34 +0000 UTCActually I encouraged her SAYING something like “fuck it. Might as well” because they are painting HER in a bad light. Their previous scene when he said he picked the wrong sister I was wide eyed and literally shook my head no. You misconstruing my words and my thoughts is really off putting and unnecessary.
Travis Manning
2024-09-30 20:49:19 +0000 UTCThere definitely were moments where you seemed to encourage it. The difference between how you react to Aria and Ezra, and how you react to Spencer and Wren, is very blatant. You're adamantly against Aria and Ezra, but you say you like Wren and you think Spencer should go for it, even though Spencer and Aria are exactly the same age, and Ezra and Wren are both fully grown adults. Maybe because Wren isn't Spencer's teacher, so it's easier to forget they're not the same age because they're never in a situation where he has authority over her? Idk but the difference in your reactions to both 'couples' (I even feel icky calling them that) is noticeable.
kalindiinga28
2024-09-30 20:37:17 +0000 UTCWe shall
Kristina Fagan
2024-09-30 12:06:12 +0000 UTCNormally I would agree that because he is her father, she could stay out with him however late he deems is appropriate, however, he abandoned both of them and then just suddenly pops into her life again so I think there should be some set boundaries.
JennaB
2024-09-28 20:40:49 +0000 UTC😅🤣 I don't blame ya there
Dustee Lodholtz
2024-09-28 15:26:23 +0000 UTCDefinitely not journaling about this show or any show for that matter. 😭💀😂
Travis Manning
2024-09-28 14:47:35 +0000 UTCYes there are answers lmao but with the answers come more questions lmao I love this show, it will keep you on your toes Maybe get a journal just dedicated to your "A" suspects lmao Can't wait for the next one 🖤
Dustee Lodholtz
2024-09-28 14:36:55 +0000 UTCThere are answers eventually lol
Melody
2024-09-28 02:24:29 +0000 UTCI think, too, what makes people forget about the weird relationships (or just feel not weird about them I guess) is that they're all technically adults (the ACTORS NOT characters). I am by NO means saying it's okay but more so it feels less "creepy" for us the viewers to watch.
Gehazi Whitehurst
2024-09-28 00:01:52 +0000 UTCI've had such a bad day and was feeling so upset...Then I saw Travis posted and I felt better.🤩 Also...yes, no spoilers, but this show will explain all! But also you have to use some suspension of disbelief because some things are very corny and over dramatic. It's one of those shows where if you think toooooo hard, you might just go crazy.
Gehazi Whitehurst
2024-09-27 23:59:14 +0000 UTCThat is true. Good point.
Serenity La’sandra
2024-09-27 22:07:44 +0000 UTCDefinitely a creeper but to me Ezra is even worse because he’s in a position of power.
Travis Manning
2024-09-27 21:24:26 +0000 UTCToby ended up being one of my top characters
Kayla Locklear
2024-09-27 21:23:49 +0000 UTCI don’t think I said it was ok ? 🤔
Travis Manning
2024-09-27 21:22:48 +0000 UTCI think it needs repeating for some reason, but again, they're all minors. Nothing about Wren pursuing Spencer is okay. He's a grown adult. She's a minor. Just like Aria and Ezra.
kalindiinga28
2024-09-27 21:16:55 +0000 UTCthis show is easy to watch but hard to understand and keep up with most of the time. it's basically a "answering questions with more questions" kind of show. and the executives do a great damn job of keeping us viewers on the edge of our seats.
Lexa Hoppenfeld
2024-09-27 20:49:48 +0000 UTCYeah I probably gave away my age a little bit here! 🤣🤣
MamaSeesa
2024-09-27 20:43:04 +0000 UTCnot shrek and his onions 🤣
Lexa Hoppenfeld
2024-09-27 20:41:28 +0000 UTCSame. It's really hard to deal with the relationships in this show. Almost none of them are normal lol. I think the only one that's truly OK is one of Hanna's. IYKYK.
MamaSeesa
2024-09-27 18:58:10 +0000 UTCThe answers are coming, and they are WILD. Whenever you've figured things out, trust me, you haven't. The layers of this show put Shrek and his onion to shame.
MamaSeesa
2024-09-27 18:54:09 +0000 UTCNgl, I’ve seen the whole show a few times and even just based on season 1, I don’t like him.. he’s very charismatic but idk if you noticed but Spencer is 16 and hes 23… how he kissed her, flirts with her, etc, I just.. 🤢 though I get it because he is charismatic + it’s kinda easy to forget his age vs like Ezra because he’s a teacher yk?
Serenity La’sandra
2024-09-27 18:21:40 +0000 UTCi mean she immediately apologized and then they had a very serious conversation about em’s feelings and she respected that she needs time so hardly rude imo
Alicia Cue
2024-09-27 17:52:18 +0000 UTCalso, i love toby and emily’s conversation about the pictures in her book, i think because he’s been so isolated from everyone he’s the least judgmental person and the perfect person to hopefully keep em’s secret
Alicia Cue
2024-09-27 17:49:08 +0000 UTCso i think in the pilot ashely, hanna’s mom said she had to tell arias mom, Ella about the divorce so it’s been about a year since hanna’s parents split. so pretty quick for her dad to find a whole new family imo and yesss all these questions get answered…with even more questions 😂 this show is so twisty and turny even when you know, you don’t know
Alicia Cue
2024-09-27 17:47:24 +0000 UTCIf we didn’t get answers it’d be a terrible show honestly
Flo
2024-09-27 17:41:04 +0000 UTCI hate how Maya treated Emily after Emily brought up her concerns about the photos. “Can I hug you? Someone might see!” Like what? Just because she’s not ready to know you’re gonna act all pissy about it?
Flo
2024-09-27 17:39:32 +0000 UTCperfecttt timing lmao i *just* woke up
Alicia Cue
2024-09-27 16:44:05 +0000 UTCyes everything gets answered don't worry.
Oliammo
2024-09-27 15:59:33 +0000 UTC
