POD 120: DAY 5 DISPATCH FROM DEA HQ
Added 2024-11-23 08:15:05 +0000 UTCWith tensions high, the team of SSDP's experts prepare for the final days of the hearing, during this period we heard from Dr. Joseph Palamar and Dr. Mario de la Fuente. Brett Phelps conducts his final questioning of the DEA's expert pharmacologist. Tomorrow's dispatch will cover the final day's closing statements and what lies in store.
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Just looked it up, the wiki page says the judge recommended they be schedule 1 😥 is this true? Was there any reasonable argument that was made to merit a decision like this? What a monument to blatant and willful ignorance
Tom Suazo
2026-01-04 00:41:07 +0000 UTCLoved the series! You’re a really good storyteller 🙂
Nicole
2025-12-29 16:10:40 +0000 UTCAs a newer listener, this series was quite an unexpectedly engrossing listen. Thank you!
Liza Smith
2025-06-12 08:11:12 +0000 UTCDoes anyone know if the hearing transcripts were ever released?
Aiden Mertz
2025-04-24 15:57:31 +0000 UTCHamilton,please, when will we have the next dea episode?
Gareth Egerton
2025-03-11 22:53:49 +0000 UTC1hr 22min in the last episode of the DEA dispatch series… I have zero experience giving legal advice or being an attorney, but would it have been a productive or even allowed to bring up survivorship bias when asking Dr. C about obtaining a DEA schedule 1 license?
Michael McCallum
2025-01-27 10:49:47 +0000 UTCYeah someone gave me one (unknown dosage) when I was an older teen and the next day I felt so funky and off…. Careful with mirtazepine. I’m sure it’s different for everyone.
Michael McCallum
2025-01-26 19:20:22 +0000 UTCI think the point of that IS to be obvious. To scare Hamilton away, or to let him know he’s being watched closely. No one wants to be targeted a federal law enforcement agency. That’s like I’m-shitting-my-pants level of concern.
Michael McCallum
2025-01-26 19:18:35 +0000 UTCis there going to be another one? this is one of the best series of podcasts ive ever heard.
Ruairi Murphy
2025-01-16 10:51:17 +0000 UTCNeed final DEA hearing. Growing weaker! Must have closure or might go insane or die from bated anticipation. HELP! PLEASE HELP!!!
nova-x13
2025-01-06 23:50:33 +0000 UTCWhat so ever do you mean?😉😏
nova-x13
2025-01-06 23:24:00 +0000 UTCStill waiting on Pickard, and I believe after the FDA/MDMA thing he said he had a Rick Doblin too. Also, he needs to finish this DEA dispatch. He had a Stanton Peele interview a long time ago that he never released... maybe for New Years he'll drop like 10 episodes, or at least shut up about forecasting releases for awhile. Highly annoying, but I still get my money's worth for $5/mo.
B-Boy Bungus
2024-12-28 19:41:57 +0000 UTChappy holidays Hamilton
Broadcasts From Poor Farm
2024-12-28 09:37:31 +0000 UTCAre we getting anything this month?
Joseph
2024-12-28 08:18:36 +0000 UTCWhat is happening here on the comments? 🤔🤣
Audrey johnson
2024-12-28 03:16:09 +0000 UTCLove Hamilton and have been a fan for yrs ! Love his last message and totally support him on keeping drugs legal . However will say I smoked a bit of PCP in the 80s . Was called sherm … supposedly dipped into formaldehyde. I’m a hairstylist and formaldehyde is used in “hair” keratin smoothing products causing hairstylists to get nosebleeds . My understanding was the chemical heated was ingested. I’m not a chemist but would be curious his expertise ?Anyway great guest ! Thanks Dave
Audrey johnson
2024-12-28 03:11:42 +0000 UTCDang, I knew this was going to happen as soon as I saw companies start marketing them as “magic mushrooms” or “shrooms”. Of course, I believe it should be legal, but it seems irresponsible to equate it with psilocybin when its effects and pharmacology are almost totally unrelated.
WarioGiant
2024-12-25 02:52:04 +0000 UTCJust heard about the FDA putting restricts on amanita muscaria, hoping to hear your thoughts
Chloeeeeee
2024-12-24 01:15:48 +0000 UTCIm chair of SSDPs science policy committee. We will file additional paperwork with the judge by early January, and then he will make his recommendation, which will then be submitted to the DEA administrator who will then make their decision. It will be a few months until we know the outcome of the Hearing
Elijah Ullman
2024-12-23 12:33:29 +0000 UTCWhen you mentioned the fan and the man staring, at first I thought well that is odd but there’s no way they could possibly be that clumsy but it absolutely lines up with the cartoonish courtroom chicanery.
Nathan Graber
2024-12-23 12:20:39 +0000 UTCThis brings me a lot of hope, and at the same time I cannot even fathom how mr man is a real person who not only acts like that in front of other humans and isn’t scrutinized but he is paid to do this in situations that determine whether or not laws will be passed that will put people in cages
Nathan Graber
2024-12-23 12:18:36 +0000 UTCThe rollercoaster of emo though!
Loke Guiks
2024-12-23 11:46:05 +0000 UTCLove you Hamilton. And love you community ❤️ Big hugs for you yall beautiful spirits. Just binged this whole series...so captivating, hillarious, and absurb, it kept me up all night. Good morning world 🧑🎄
Creepy Crawley
2024-12-22 12:48:04 +0000 UTCSgt. Pepper* Don't forget the reddit post which talks about the album sounding better on the D 👾🦹🏵️
Creepy Crawley
2024-12-22 12:37:55 +0000 UTCHis halloween release was so delightful I would die for Hamilton Holiday Specials
Ericaceous
2024-12-20 18:33:55 +0000 UTCdoxylamine makes me so fucking drowsy I cannot take even 12.5mg without needing to sleep like 14 hours. I stick with diphenhydramine, usually 12.5mg.
Ericaceous
2024-12-20 17:54:47 +0000 UTCDying to hear the closing statements, Hamilton are they holding you hostage on Nancy Reagan's yacht? Blink in Morse code if you need rescue.
Spencer Morris
2024-12-17 03:24:22 +0000 UTCShe’s a DEA employee
Kevin Bauer
2024-12-16 08:27:06 +0000 UTCThank you for covering these proceedings so thoroughly. I appreciate that you looked up and explained the etymology of carbenera as well.
Matt Hanley
2024-12-15 22:47:08 +0000 UTCMy wife: I bet he's texting other girls Me: *checking to see if Hamilton posted another trial podcast for the 3,775th time*
Leahygaga
2024-12-12 15:09:02 +0000 UTCAlive, working on a written report and I will release the final day soon
Hamilton Morris
2024-12-11 21:56:30 +0000 UTCWhat was the outcome of this? If no outcome then when might we expect some news?
david
2024-12-11 19:58:58 +0000 UTCI actually came here to see if anyone had heard from him, it’s been 2.5 weeks. Def hoping he’s resting after such a whirlwind event..
vitalsplease
2024-12-11 15:28:28 +0000 UTCIs hamilton alright? The description talks about "tomorrow's dispatch" but it's been a couple days.
Crypto Tonight
2024-12-11 04:39:51 +0000 UTCnoooo!!! don't try mirtazepine you'll be completely useless the day after. mirtazepine is indeed a great alternative but only if you have nothing to do.
Martin Sona
2024-12-10 13:16:32 +0000 UTCI recommend half (or even a quarter of) a unisom for occasional help sleeping. (Research interactions first, of course.)
🚯
2024-12-06 00:36:40 +0000 UTCHamilton: try 7.5mg of mirtazapine instead of Ambien
RC
2024-12-04 15:27:10 +0000 UTCSnake building should be closed. ATF and DEA have become redundant. Makes for interesting podcasts though.
SirSmkZealot
2024-12-02 07:05:35 +0000 UTCAgreed, DEA agents are probably taught that Shulgin is Satan incarnate, hence reading any of his material is blasphemous.
Neighbors Dog
2024-11-30 06:26:16 +0000 UTCThis is one of my absolute favorite passages in PiHKAL, but I very much doubt The Man was making such a sophisticated reference.
Hamilton Morris
2024-11-30 03:59:13 +0000 UTCBecause tin foil hats on for a second, it's not hard to see everything Hamilton's reported dude saying... or sighing... As indicating: hey, maybe dude's eyes are open. Maybe he's letting his asshole fly false flag style. I'm not saying he's double agent lawyer man, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's sending out the message that he's not there because he cares, or because he's preparing a coup de gras, or for any other reason than maybe just the simple fact his job is to be first chair at this shindig and that's as far as bro is involving himself. Because it's really disarming this butt fumble of a job he's doing. It's easier for me to believe Mr. first chair isn't legitimately trash for a lawyer, so he's either a bro coming into work and worthy of that love or admiration Hamilton was feeling, and I really hope it is this because the only other understanding I can come to about Mr. Mann is that he is privy to some ultimate confidence about how this whole thing is going to turn out, whereby he feels he needs to care not even so much as to have quality arguments or manage his appearance in front of the defense or anyone else during the recesses......... To be clear that seems less likely... But if it comes to pass that is what went on here, being an unabashed a****** because you know your prey is cornered, for me that starts to approach one or two semantic definitions for evil. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" - Mr. Mann upon finding out he was to chair this hearing, instead of basking in his Dr. Pepper-only walk-in freezer
Pvt. Idaho
2024-11-29 19:31:31 +0000 UTCanother Pacino moment candidate: "Say hello to the bad guy." We could be looking at serious ironic transference where Mr. Mann is concerned.
Pvt. Idaho
2024-11-29 19:11:18 +0000 UTCThank you for this, Hamilton. I was really interested to see what DEA scheduling would be like. It's pretty much as backwards as I had suspected. It really seems that with some proper support and backing by citizens we could stop more substances from being scheduled. Also, the Pacino movie he's referencing has to be 1979s "...And Justice For All" It's the main movie I could find where he's a lawyer. Still not sure what he was referencing from that movie.
Paul Edwardson
2024-11-29 16:47:09 +0000 UTCWhen do we get to hear Dr Pepper’s testimony ? (oh damn just scrolled down and saw someone else already made this joke.. touche, rabidreject)
nickbaba
2024-11-29 07:52:58 +0000 UTCI found the material the DEA prosecutor was referencing when he said something along the lines of “Shulgin talked about a drug that would get you high by just thinking about it!” I think it’s a wonderful thought experiment. PIHKAL PG: 458-459 #1 AEM; a-ETHYLMESCALINE “The extension of the two-carbon chain of mescaline by alpha-methylation to the three carbon chain of TMA approximately doubled the potency of the compound. And it was felt to be a completely logical possibility that, by extending it one more carbon atom, to the four carbon chain of alpha-ethyl-mescaline, it might double again. And following that logical progression, the doubling of potency with each additional carbon atom, the factor would be 2 to the 7th power by the alpha-octyl (or 256x that of mescaline, (or a milligram as active dose) and with a side chain of a 70-carbon alkyl group (alpha-heptacontylmescaline) it would take just a single molecule to be intoxicating. This was rich fantasy stuff. As an active compound, just where would it go in the brain? With an 80-carbon side-chain, would one-thousandth of a single molecule be enough for a person? Or might a single molecule intoxicate a thousand people? And how long a chain on the alpha-position might be sufficient that, by merely writing down the structure on a piece of paper, you would get high? Maybe just conceiving the structure in your mind would do it.”
Neighbors Dog
2024-11-29 03:49:17 +0000 UTCWhy Scent of a Woman?
Hamilton Morris
2024-11-28 21:54:22 +0000 UTCHas someone pointed out the Al Pacino movie is Scent of A Woman?
Penny Wide Pupils
2024-11-28 21:18:53 +0000 UTCI was laughing out loud for so much of these updates.
Penny Wide Pupils
2024-11-28 21:16:48 +0000 UTCDoes no one else feel that Dr. Pepper probably should have been called to the stand…?
rabidreject
2024-11-28 14:02:07 +0000 UTCThis trail has been more comedic than the US election lol
Grant Woltkamp
2024-11-27 18:56:40 +0000 UTCI'm dictating while driving and listening... Minute 11 and counting. Hair on my neck keeps standing up.
Pvt. Idaho
2024-11-27 15:54:17 +0000 UTCYo Hamilton about that paranoia infecting others, Terrence McKenna does it talk about insanity and what one might paraphrase as the pheromone theory of schizophrenia... Basically he was citing some research indicating people can smell the crazy on other people and it causes them to act more toward crazy themselves. Just to say, I know it's tough in there especially given the circumstances and what comforts you had close at hand to make this hearing.
Pvt. Idaho
2024-11-27 15:40:54 +0000 UTCDo you think this hearing is possibly the winds of change blowing? The question I’m asking is that is this a sign that possibly the prohibitionist regime is diluting?
Jacob Clarke
2024-11-27 13:45:08 +0000 UTCThat just seems a very broken system. Its strange how a country with so much zeal for independence from government can have such a way of ruling itself.
Meek
2024-11-27 11:39:07 +0000 UTCI didn’t realize Dr. Carbonaro was being paid for her testimony. Interesting
Thor Correia
2024-11-26 18:55:52 +0000 UTCNo he was not paid to be an expert witness, none of the “petitioner” side was being paid while the government employees were paid for their time. I don’t think Nichols receiving past research grants from NIDA or wherever is relevant here.
Hamilton Morris
2024-11-26 15:01:47 +0000 UTCAnd was he paid to be an expert witness?
Meek
2024-11-26 14:03:54 +0000 UTCDr. Nichols has been funded by the government many times for his research
Thor Correia
2024-11-26 12:25:40 +0000 UTCThinking about how much this is costing American taxpayers is wild. It made me think as well, if the government body is being paid to essentially put on an argument with itself about banning a drug, should the scientific experts contributing to medical developments and therefore public health not also be paid for arguing their point against the government body? Why should Mr Mann and Dr Carbonaro be funded by taxpayers and not Dr de la Fuente or Dr Nichols? Obviously there is a problem with that idea but its more a thought experiment that makes it very clear how perverted this system is. But maybe I’m misunderstanding things a bit.
Meek
2024-11-26 11:57:54 +0000 UTCSWIM enjoyed this immensely.
Meek
2024-11-26 11:42:59 +0000 UTCStickin it to the man!
Octofar
2024-11-26 09:03:44 +0000 UTCSame same, thanks Hamilton
Vicarious Vue
2024-11-26 00:44:55 +0000 UTCThank you very much, Hamilton.
Leigh Bergin
2024-11-25 14:22:02 +0000 UTCThere are dozens of us! I got 1mg blotters off the OG Silk Road back in the day but I never took more than half a blotter because of the vasoconstriction. I would wake up super early, but the blotter on my gums, and go back to sleep, but it would still ruin my sleep the following night. The actual effects were great but I'm too old for that now. Get off my lawn!
Christopher Fye
2024-11-25 12:58:04 +0000 UTCI bought bromo-dragonfly! Years ago when I was at uni. It was okay, long lasting and too much of a vasoconstrictor for me but it was okay. Potent
rabidreject
2024-11-25 12:49:35 +0000 UTCAlso, every time you say ‘Mr Man’, I can’t stop thinking of the Mr Men series of kids books. Mr Tickle, Mr Happy and Mr Prohibitionist. Sounds like a new book someone needs to write for kiddies!!
rabidreject
2024-11-25 12:31:20 +0000 UTCI hate to say it Hamilton, but I actually do think you are addicted to work… I love your podcast and all the coverage of this important issue, however, NOT at the expense of your health! Honestly, your lack of sleep reminds me of my drug addiction when I was bad. Look after yourself!
rabidreject
2024-11-25 12:25:44 +0000 UTCI fucken love u Hammie. I will listen to u talk about anything. Gobbless u
Brad
2024-11-25 06:48:28 +0000 UTCIf anyone had told me that a daily dispatch from a hearing about two obscure psychedelics would have me on the edge of my seat I would have scoffed. And yet! The fact that this is about so much more than these two drugs is truly exciting. And your portrayal of a man who is actually named Mr Mann is so representative of the crazy world we live in. Honestly I hope that your feelings about the sympathy and intelligence of the judge are warranted.
Phil Oad
2024-11-25 05:47:11 +0000 UTCResubscribed for these - thanks so much for taking the time to report from the courtroom. It’s been eye opening
Dean Keinan
2024-11-24 23:08:05 +0000 UTC....and "DOI is a gateway drug to science..." Say what?? OMG, Mr Mann was the perfect villain in this passion play....
Steven
2024-11-24 20:22:39 +0000 UTCWhat an odd adventure! Yes, sleep dep or insomnia is a nightmare (a waking one at that ..). I had it so bad years ago after using etazolam a little too steadily....it took me months to get back to normal ... So what's new in the DR? Ellos hablan español, lo sé.... When I was a kid I had both DOB and DOM, and years later 2-CI. Much later the NBOMe versions were available,, I bought 2-CI, 2-CCl and 2-CBNBOMe. From those, I concluded that the worst of them were the iodo compounds - they simply felt less comfortable, more high energy. Except for the long duration of action, DOM and DOB were interesting, but best to keep the dose down IMHO. This goes for the NBOMes as well. As far as the latter go, the bromo and chloro were indeed quite pleasant, especially the 2-CB analog. I'd love to try the NBOMe version of bromofly, because the latter is by far the smoothest 2-CB analog of any I've tried si far. (Hamliton knows I agree with him on the utility of the NBOMe compounds with the exception of the iodo homolog - it just feels uncomfortable, like it's parent compound 2-CI.). Finally, I got to read the Microgram Bulletins up to about 2000, and they were quite entertaining. Some of the old ones were available online up until a few years ago - after that they were all removed.
Steven
2024-11-24 19:26:30 +0000 UTCH, Well, first and foremost . . . just . . . Thank you for the effort, the sacrifice and reporting. And please post here in advance of these hearings so others can attend. I guess there are notifications but it doesn't get much attention. IDK where to look. Not finished yet with episode 5 but had to jump in just now. One of your most profound statements some time ago that deserves recognition has been (paraphrased): "The true danger of psychedelics (and possibly all non-legal drugs) is law enforcement". Let your mind try to comprehend that one for a while. I mention that because the part re dangers of social media posting under the influence is seems to be of a corollary to that truth.
david
2024-11-24 14:08:59 +0000 UTCOh wow, I wasn't expecting Dr. Mario de la Fuente to pop up! He obtained his PhD with my current PhD supervisor
Percy B.
2024-11-24 11:05:06 +0000 UTCWas listening to this in the gym and bust out laughing at the Mr Mann "OBJECTION!"s
Ruairi Murphy
2024-11-24 11:02:19 +0000 UTCchill out
aarni nieminen
2024-11-24 07:27:33 +0000 UTCThe universe has spoken: Carbonara and a cold Dr Pepper for dinner following the next and final dispatch.
Cameron Leake
2024-11-24 06:24:07 +0000 UTChttps://doi.org/10.1080/08897077.2019.1635966
WarioGiant
2024-11-24 05:30:28 +0000 UTC“All ventilation units must fall” sounds like some strange proverb
WarioGiant
2024-11-24 05:23:29 +0000 UTCHeroin Haberdashery and Cocaine Cobbling https://www.vice.com/en/article/hamilton-s-pharmacoepia-741-v18n3/
mia
2024-11-24 03:56:21 +0000 UTCYou should do a Thanksgiving special and call it Hamilton’s Cornucopia.
Michael Green
2024-11-24 03:33:39 +0000 UTCty for posting 🙏🏼
mia
2024-11-24 03:24:35 +0000 UTCI love unabashed assholes too.
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-24 02:43:21 +0000 UTCGreat series for this amazing podcast, so good i'm starting to worry. Other journalism doesn't even get me hard anymore
Keenan Troll
2024-11-24 02:24:49 +0000 UTCJesus christ Hamilton, why is your life The Twilight Zone recently?
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-24 01:36:43 +0000 UTCElectron density maps get me excited.. electronically
M
2024-11-24 00:22:10 +0000 UTCI love your sense of humour. How you emphasize and describe in detail the mundane always brings out a chuckle from me.
Jānis Stūrītis
2024-11-23 22:49:20 +0000 UTCI'm only 5 minutes into this thing, but Hamilton, I'm sending you hugs my dude. We love you. Get some fucking sleep lol
Dylan
2024-11-23 21:42:41 +0000 UTCDoes the DEA scheduling process actually adhere to British common law? Like would the inclusion of research harms in this trial serve as legal precedent for future scheduling hearings?
Ledoux
2024-11-23 21:10:31 +0000 UTCI was just walking my dog while listening to this, and when Hamilton was talking about the Dr. Pepper phenomenon, I happened to see an empty bottle of Dr. Pepper laying on the ground… made me chuckle
Jim See
2024-11-23 21:04:17 +0000 UTCHow are you writing this much at a speaking pace? Are you using your own kind of shorthand?
slunkd
2024-11-23 19:55:22 +0000 UTCThe Dr.Pepper banter is equally hilarious and unsettling
gerry
2024-11-23 18:57:05 +0000 UTCGood stuff. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31382869/
Mack Quigg
2024-11-23 17:39:41 +0000 UTCDamn straight
Dylan Patterson
2024-11-23 15:02:00 +0000 UTCThey’ll probably use this as evidence hahaha
Adam
2024-11-23 11:58:14 +0000 UTCGun ranges can definitely be safe! These public ones though where you rent guns seem a like nightmare. Gun range with friends who are gun owners is amazing.
Helmer
2024-11-23 10:47:52 +0000 UTCi boof kilograms of 2CH at parent teacher conferences
Armchair Idiot
2024-11-23 10:40:08 +0000 UTCHamilton, love the reporting but you gotta look after yourself! Get some sleep you legend.
Daniel Wainwright
2024-11-23 10:38:41 +0000 UTCI had this worry too. It's hard not to be paranoid. Genuinely relieved Hamilton has resurfaced :)
Daniel Wainwright
2024-11-23 10:37:41 +0000 UTCUhh, please interview Dr. De la Fuente on melatonin receptor agonists!
mbh
2024-11-23 10:04:15 +0000 UTCThank you Hamilton! The updates are precious! I am so sorry your health is being sacrificed 💔
Lorn Forlorn
2024-11-23 10:00:52 +0000 UTCI'd make a kink joke but they might be reading this
Kd
2024-11-23 09:46:31 +0000 UTCLove the nuance on NBOMe compounds! A lot of people find them foul which is nuts to me.
Riki Sharma
2024-11-23 08:58:59 +0000 UTCI thought he might be in a DEA dungeon somewhere
Connor Beveridge
2024-11-23 08:57:46 +0000 UTCI've never had an experience at a gun range like that. Idk if it's a state thing or what but every range master I ever met would not tolerate any unsafe behavior at a range
Zev Kurtzman
2024-11-23 08:50:48 +0000 UTCahh! DOI may not be addictive but Hamilton’s daily updates certainly are!
nickbaba
2024-11-23 08:43:43 +0000 UTC"I don't even want to touch it cause maybe it's part of their plan." bro has lost it. talkin about the ceiling opening up. hope you get some rest, man
HashKetchum
2024-11-23 08:41:45 +0000 UTCYou're a real one for reporting this without proper sleep
ecological conservation
2024-11-23 08:35:49 +0000 UTCoh thank god you're alive
Kd
2024-11-23 08:33:20 +0000 UTCThere’s one more after this
Hamilton Morris
2024-11-23 08:29:23 +0000 UTCDamn got it done and without the nic
Matthew
2024-11-23 08:21:15 +0000 UTCFinally, an end to the saga!
p4nix
2024-11-23 08:17:35 +0000 UTCIt is here!!!!!!!
Mike
2024-11-23 08:17:12 +0000 UTCWe thought you’d choked
Finn O'Donoghue
2024-11-23 08:17:00 +0000 UTCAs i live and breathe
Max
2024-11-23 08:16:40 +0000 UTC
